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Paul,

Leave me and my name out of your incorrect messages:

Paul: "I would also stress that this is not James personally, this is an urban myth, that keeps being repeated. I mean, I am not sure how one argues against how Einstein defined his own theory!!"

Special relativity includes and depends inescapably upon length contraction and time dilation.

You do not understand the meanings of the words in the quotes that you use. You are misrepresenting the meaning of Einstein's words. You are not understanding Lorentz's words. Either return with the correct meaning of 'normal' in your Lorentz quote or stop using my name or offering your incorrect teachings to me. Please learn for a change.

James

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James

I was not using your name, I was referring Azzam across to a post in your blog. Indeed, I also added, as you point out, that this is a commonly held view, ie that SR involves length contraction and time dilation; that is it is not yours personally.

Obviously, if I "do not understand the meaning of the words in the quotes", this implies you do, and are therefore able to countermand what Einstein actually said SR involved. That would be a useful response in your blog, rather than keep asserting I do not know what I am talking about.

Paul

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Azzam

I find I am unable to respond with anything different to the post above this. In respect of this one, the point here, in very simple language, is that both are based on faulty logic, ie they are philosophically rather than physically based when it comes to defining how physical reality occurs.

We are aware (ie see) because an entity known as light is created as a result of interaction with the reality. That ceases to exist, if and when it interacts with an eye. Alternatively, it may of course have hit a brick wall en route, or gone in another direction. That is what physically happens, in respect of sight, then there is hearing, etc, etc, all of which have the same functional logic. Other elementary particles, etc also 'hit' us during their travel. But so what? All that has happened is that certain sensory systems have developed which can utilise certain physical phenomena. The reality does not alter as a result of being sensed, indeed it is not the reality that is sensed, and anyway, that reality has ceased to exist by the time it is sensed. Which brings into question certain statements which only work on the basis of a presumption to the contrary

Paul.

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James

In March 2010 researchers at UC Santa Barbara have provided the first clear demonstration that the theory of quantum mechanics applies to the mechanical motion of an object large enough to be seen by the naked eye. In a related experiment, they placed the mechanical resonator in a quantum superposition, a state in which it simultaneously had zero and one quantum of excitation. This is the energetic equivalent of an object being in two places at the same time. The researchers showed that the resonator again behaved as expected by quantum theory. From this experiment we can conclude that the theory that governs the micro and macro world must be same.

[Ref: Nature, doi:10.1038/news.2010.130]

If we try to interpret this experiment according to Einstein's SR, we found it impossible existing a particle in two states at the same time for example (a particle can be moving and stationary at the same time). I think this experiment is agreed exactly with what I proposed in my MSRT. In my MSRT equivalence principle (in the case of the particle located in a negative vacuum energy relative to an observer located in a higher vacuum energy , it is possible for the same particle to be doing two contradictory things simultaneously. Through a phenomenon known as 'superposition' a particle can be moving and stationary at the same time -- at least until an outside force acts on it. Then it instantly chooses one of the two contradictory positions. This force which is applied on the particle is produced by transforming the particle from the less vacuum energy to the higher vacuum energy of the observer existed in, as I explained in my theory.

If you review this experiment, you will find this experiment was done in a very low temperature, that produced a less vacuum energy compared to the lab vacuum energy.

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Dear Azam Almosalami,

First of all, I would like to congratulate you on your new paper which do agree with the reality and consistence with the present time. On the other hand, luckily your paper contradicts with few old papers, this thing helps me as interested in understanding the fact of physics science. Mr Azam i wish u all the best and go a head towards sustainability and innovation.

Yours,

Tony Salem

Malaysia

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Tony

Thank you very much for comment. I appreciate that,and I hope we success in order to solve unsolved problem in physics.

Azzam

The concepts of Zero Point Energy, and mass-space-time dilation are described in detailed mathematical descriptions in my paper -"From Absurd to Elegant Universe" posted today in this forum. Many of the discussions in this thread are addressed in the paper.

Thanks

Avtar Singh

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Dear Avtar,

Your paper is very interesting, I agree with you with many points. Specially Eq(4) in your paper. Please review my paper http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Relativity%20Theory/Download/2310

In my previous paper I used the same equation in order to express about the quantized inertial force and thus expressing about the relativistic quantized gravitational force. in my paper when a particle existed in a gravitational field, apart of the mass of the particle will be changed into energy, this energy is let the particle to be fallen down. The relativistic mass during the particle is falling down is always equal to the rest mass of the particle. This amount of energy is equal to the escape velocity.

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Dear Azzam,

the beginning of your essay is very beautiful indeed. You describe emotions to which I can strongly relate. I have a great many photographs of my children, taken over many years, because at each age I have wanted to stop time and keep them as perfect and lovely as they are; as well as wanting to capture moments of joy in their lives so that they can remember it when they are older.

I really like your very clear descriptions and the way in which you have described a wave function becoming a thought.It carried me along very gently to the mathematics. Unfortunately I don't find the mathematical descriptions easy to follow, though I am sure there are many readers who will. That is my shortcoming not your essay's.I'm sorry I lack the ability to give a useful critique of the mathematical parts of your essay.

I was surprised that there was no verbal summary or conclusion at the end to balance the fine introduction. I asked my daughter, who is a keen amateur writer, for her opinion. She said that perhaps you had given or had built towards a profound mathematical conclusion that we just didn't understand or appreciate.Good luck in the competition.

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    Dear Georgina

    thank you very much that you read my essay, I really appreciate that and I'm very happy. While I wrote my essay for FQXI, I was restricted to write it in 9 pages. That was not enough for me to explain my thoughts in 9 pages, specially I discuss the most important theories in physics quantum and relativity, and their related experiments results. what I wrote in FQXI is considered as a brief statement to my theory. See my work in

    http://vixra.org/abs/1111.0001

    http://vixra.org/abs/1206.0002

    http://vixra.org/abs/1109.0058

    http://vixra.org/abs/1109.0050

    Or you can choose

    http://vixra.org/author/azzam_almosallami

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    Dear Georgina,

    You told me that you had a great many photographs of your children, taken over many years. Can I ask you a question? These pictures were taken by you in the past, where they were once a time a present that you were living. Where do you think these moments were gone. Are they gone forever or they are still existed in some place? If they are gone forever, and each moment that I'm living now leaving me to past suddenly, so, all my life is considered as a past, and all my life will gone away forever, so where can I find myself if I can't catch my present, am I a past? is that logic?

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    Dear Azzam,

    you ask an interesting question. This is my veiwpoint. Our bodies are structures which might be thought of as arrangements of atoms or even sub atomic particles. That structure is always undergoing change. Some of those changes are the metabolic activity of being alive, including growth and repair, and others can be regarded as ageing. Such as glycolysis of proteins, free radical damage, telomere shortening, loss of skin collagen and hair pigmentation.

    According to the explanatory framework, shown in my essay, each new arrangement replaces the previous. There is only the youngest iteration of the universe. Due to the deleterious changes that can occur to a biological organism, as well as positive growth and repair, with each new iteration I am growing older.Repair is not keeping pace with damage. There is no younger me still in existence in the universe. The me I am in this moment will also be replaced by me in the next. Individual blood cells will be in different places, some cells will have died and new ones will have been formed by cell division. I am not a perfect thing that is unchanging but part of everything in the universe undergoing continual change (whether in form or just in universal position).

    What does persist after change has occurred is data that can be processed to form output via the sensory system or artificial detector or sensitive material. That data could be EM radiation in the environment, so a distant observer might percieve an image of me as I was in an earlier iteration of the universe; or the arrangement of pigments on a piece of paper giving a likeness of my former self (photo). Similarly images might persist as a memory, encoded within the neurological structure of an observer.

    As you can see from diagram 1. There is no "existing" past other than in records and memories- and pre-written futures that have the potential to become a present experience but are the data generated from former events.That sounds a little complicated because it is a break from our traditional view of the differentiation between past, present and future. However it does allow the paradoxes of relativity and the philosophical red hat problems I discussed to be overcome. You question does make sense to me. There is no you as a fixed and unchanging entity. Nor are you all that you have been spread within a space-time continuum. As a physical presence in the universe you are only what you are in the uni-temporal- Now of Object reality, (preceding the observed present).

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    Correction- I should have said glycosylation not glycolysis. The first can be detrimental cross linking of proteins and the other a helpful part of metabolism supplying a source of energy.

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    Dear Georgina,

    I'm really very interesting with your comments. What you are introducing is not giving us a complete answer relative to the meaning of the reality. For example, the time dialtion. Let's study this example regarded to time dilation in order to understand what I mean. Sally and Sara are twins of old 20 years. Sally traveled by his spacecraft for space trip. The speed of the spacecraft

    was constant and equals to 0.87c. Sally returned to earth after 2 years according to her clock time. Now, according to the special relativity theory SRT, when Sally returned to earth, her old would be 22, while she would find Sara's old 24 years. Sara would be older than Sally by 2 years, although they are twins. According to SRT, time in the moving frame of Sally will move slower than Sara's frame on the earth surface. And since Sara and Sally are

    computing their old using the motion of their clocks, thus, the motion of the clock of Sally will move in a slower rate than Sara's clock. Georgina! now as you see from this exampale relative to time dialtion, although Sally and Sara are twins, but when Sally returned from her trip she was younger than Sara. As we know what causing the ageing the chemical and biological reactions inside the human body. But in this example relative to the time dilation there is a theory more comprehensive that controls these reactions inside the human body and by this theory the reactions inside Sally's body were perfomed in a slower rate than Sara's body, and by that Sally was younger than Sara not by the number of years, but also by the form of her body to be of age 22 years not 24 years as Sara's form of old 24. We are looking for this comprehensive theory which controls the motion of events through the spacetime. These events may be chemical or biological reactions, or any moment of feeling in love, hate or pain...etc.

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    Georgina,

    The results produced by my modified special relativity theory are in agreement with the results produced by quantum tunneling experiments and thus it explains theoretically what occurs in quantum tunneling. It proves the events inside the tunneling barrier should occur at a faster rate than the usual situation in the laboratory. It provides a new concept of time speedup which is not existed in special relativity theory. The concept of time speeding up in my theory is proven by many experiments, where some enzymes operate kinetically, much faster than predicted by the classical Delta(G) . In "through the barrier" models, a proton or an electron can tunnel through activation barriers. Quantum tunneling for protons has been observed in tryptamine oxidation by aromatic amine dehydrogenase. Also British scientists have found that enzymes cheat time and space by quantum tunneling - a much faster way of traveling than the classical way - but whether or not perplexing quantum theories can be applied to the biological world is still hotly debated. Until now, no one knew just how the enzymes speed up the reactions, which in some cases are up to a staggering million times faster. Seed Magazine published a fascinating article about a group of researchers who discovered a bit more about how enzymes use quantum tunneling to speed up chemical reactions. The modified special relativity theory answers all the preceding questions, and the answer is existed in the developed concept of time dilation in MSRT. As you see in my previous example, when Sally returned to earth she was younger than Sara although they are twins...right? that means when Sally returned to earth, her old increased 2 years, while Sara's old increased 4 years, that means for Sally, she had known what is the form of Sara after 4 years on the earth from the moment of the leaving the earth in a time separation of 2 years according to Sally's time. Thus from that for Sally to Sara time is contracted. Suppose both of Sally and Sara are agreed to perform a chemical reaction, each one will do the same reaction in her reference frame at the moment of Sally leaving the earth. This reaction required a time separation 4 years to be performed. Now when Sally returned to earth after 2 years according to her time, the reaction would not be performed in her spacecraft, it is required other 2 years to be performed. But the reaction was performed on the earth, because the passed time on the earth was 4 years. Sally would know the result of the reaction which required a time separation 4 years to be performed in a time separation 2 years.

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      Dear Georgina,

      There a fascinating result of my MSRT. From the previous example, suppose we have a virus, where it performs a transform each 40 years. If we would like to know what form this virus will take place after 40 years, we should make a tunneling barrier of gama =1262304000 (gama here is the lorentz factor in special relativity and according to my theory it depends on the difference of the vacuum energy of my laboratory and the vacuum energy of the barrier, where this difference is negative, where the barrier has a negative vacuum energy. This difference can be evaluated by quantum field theory).

      Now when we put this virus inside the barrier, we would get the form this virus would be taken after 40 years in 1 second according to our time. The time passed inside the barrier would be 40 years according to a clock inside, while the time passed according to our clock is 1 second.

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      Dear Azzam ,

      thank you for your explanations 23.30 and 23.48 GMT.

      I agree that when considering the age of a person it should be regarded as more than a clock time or date on the calendar. Biological age is to do with maintenance of the body rather than just its duration as an object. Two people of the same calender age can have significantly different biological ages if they have lived under significantly different circumstances, or have made very different lifestyle choices impacting upon their health.

      I don't think that a reaction occurring faster is time speeding up. Passage of time is something different from rates of different kinds of activity.I don't think a "time tunnel" is required to avoid energetic barriers. Its like saying the pole vaulter quantum tunnelled when he walks around the obstacle rather than leaping over it. Who said leaping was the only way to get past the barrier.Facilitating the least energetically demanding means of carrying out processes is advantageous to biological organisms and therefore has a positive selection pressure. Enzymes do that task.

      When sally returned to the Earth she was probably much older because of bone loss, muscle wastage, radiation damage to her cells and eyes. The damage to her body is occurring faster under those conditions compared to on the Earth, where there are lower radiation levels and gravity to maintain bone density and muscle mass. It seems to me wrong to say that she is younger because other different chemical reactions are not progressing as fast.As you are aware for fair comparisons to be made all of the conditions must be the same except the one under investigation.

      You will see in my essay that there is differentiation between objects that exist independently of observation , data in the environment produced from interaction with the object, and the images produced from processing of the data. The output image from data processing, of a clock's time is irrelevant to what the clock object is doing unobserved. It is not the output images that are controlling time but what is happening in Object reality, the actual changes to the material objects and media.

      I think the twins paradox is a misuse of the theory. Assuming the distant observers subjective reality, formed from the data from former events.. processed into a present experience, actually exists out in space.

      I'm afraid I can't agree with you even though I am sure you have given a lot of thought to your theory and it may well do all that you say. I have appreciated hearing your point of view. I too have given a lot of thought to the subject of time and, as I see it, it is only the output Image reality, emergent reality, that has a flexible time dimension not the independent Object reality, the realm of the actual atoms and particles.

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      Dear Georgina,

      Time dilation is verified experimentally.

      * Ives and Stilwell (1938, 1941). The stated purpose of these experiments was to verify the time dilation effect, predicted by Lamor-Lorentz ether theory, due to motion through the ether using Einstein's suggestion that Doppler effect in canal rays would provide a suitable experiment. These experiments measured the Doppler shift of the radiation emitted from cathode rays, when viewed from directly in front and from directly behind. The high and low frequencies detected were not the classical values predicted.

      * Rossi and Hall (1941) compared the population of cosmic-ray-produced muons at the top of a mountain to that observed at sea level. Although the travel time for the muons from the top of the mountain to the base is several muon half-lives, the muon sample at the base was only moderately reduced. This is explained by the time dilation attributed to their high speed relative to the experimenters. That is to say, the muons were decaying about 10 times slower than if they were at rest with respect to the experimenters.

      * Hasselkamp, Mondry, and Scharmann (1979) measured the Doppler shift from a source moving at right angles to the line of sight (the transverse Doppler shift).

      * In 1959 Robert Pound and Glen A. Rebka measured the very slight gravitational red shift in the frequency of light emitted at a lower height, where Earth's gravitational field is relatively more intense. The results were within 10% of the predictions of general relativity. Later Pound and Snider (in 1964) derived an even closer result of 1%. This effect is as predicted by gravitational time dilation.

      * In 2010 gravitational time dilation was measured at the Earth's surface with a height difference of only one meter, using optical atomic clocks.