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Hi Steve,

This contests asks for wrong basic assumptions. Peter offers again his idea that the speed of light in vacuum equals c only locally.

Nonetheless, I appreciate his hints to optical phenomena, and I urgently hope he will comment on Cahill.

What about my new essay, I am sure; any serious analysis of the most basic assumptions will substantiate doubts in accepted tenets and hurt a lot of feelings. Therefore I have to work hard in order to argue as compelling and easily understandable as possible.

Regards,

Eckard

Eckard

Can't make an omlette without breaking eggs!

Paul

Joe

No need to be humble about it. You are right. There can only be one existence at a time, and anything referred to must have corresponding physical existence, otherwise there is something wrong with the concept. This is the science of physical reality, not the religion of it.

Paul

Peter,

Very clever playwriting. Metaphorically brilliant. I'm impressed with the merging of science and humanities.

As for content, I will have to labor in your arbor.

Jim

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    Hi Georgina, Eckard,Peter and Paul,

    Dear Eckard,

    I am understanding. It is always a pleasure to see your rationalism about mathematical tools.

    Best Regards

    Hi Peter,

    Just read for the first time your essay, it is not nothing...

    I know that the speed of light and the relative localities where it passes since long are a search item to you, I see that you have gone further and further into the problem, we can go not to the lower infinite in my opinion, once reaching the Planck length there is no longer causality, so no longer before or after so no speed of light because there is no A and B to pass.

    This is one of the subjects of my ezssay I am now struggling with , want to come in end of july.

    For now I am going to reread your essay and wish you all the luck there is in our not nothing.

    Wilhelmus

    (ps you did not give reactions untill now , took a holiday in nothing ?)

    Steve,

    Thanks. The strict rationalisation and consistency with empirical evidence is something I hope you warm to. I wish you well.

    Peter

    Paul,

    Yes. You're not shy of repeating your consistent opinion. But it is also seems possible this may wear down a 'groove' from which the view of other aspects can be compromised.

    Interesting that your view includes that the Electrodynamics of moving bodies is about "stillness". I agree with your points otherwise, and also with observers being 'at rest' in a local medium, (frame K) but also with most other matter in the universe in motion relatively K'+.

    I also agree definitions of old theories are all 'red herrings' to more consistent ones. But if light 'refreshes' by interactions and scattering it can thus be 'changed', precisely as refraction, Yes?

    It is the first part your item 3 which I find erroneous. Observation can only be by a lens, which can only be made of matter, and it cannot 'observe' without detection, ergo 'interaction'. All lenses have a refractive index, which is a constant. We cannot ignore the few consistent parts of current theory! There is no referencing problem with this model. All things move. Yes? Yet all lenses find light doing c once detected!!? I simply propose that this is not the massive problem imagined.

    I've read your essay and will comment.

    Peter

    Eckard,

    I think others will also find it demanding. I also hope my corrected version is posted.

    I agree Cahill is very inconsistent, though found many truths. The big problem is that he assumes SR and contraction a priori to 'massage' all past results to then 'prove' SR. This is not logically consistent so can prove nothing.

    In terms of the 'gas mode' I agree entirely that 'medium' and n are relevant in ALL cases, including what we call a vacuum, as sub atomic matter is still there (ions) at significant density, with an assignable state of motion, so modulating c locally by gradual extinction.

    I disagree with his P8 comment, and his assumption re 'absolute motion', which is not empirically or logically consistent. Also of course a dense plasma (ion) medium is also n=1. He did get limited support from some of the many 'clutching at straws' but making the same fundamental errors; His work now seems mostly ignored, and correctly I believe.

    M. Sato, Physics Essays 23,127 (2010)

    R.T.Cahill and K. Kitto Apeiron, vol 10, n°2, April 2003, Progress in Physics 4 (2006) 73-92,

    ArXiv:physics/0612201v2, 2 Jan 2007, M. Consoli, ArXiv:Physics/0310053, 13 October 2003.

    V.V.Demjanov, Phys.Lett., A 374, 1110-1112 (2010)

    Does that fully answer your question yet?

    The resolution of the small residual 'ether motion' increasing with altitude is briefly explained on my last page, where the distances are too small for extinction to be 100% completed, and two frames exist, one non rotating, and the atmosphere itself within that rotating, explaining the remaining anomalies.

    Is that comprehensible?

    I look forward to you essay.

    Peter

    Georgina.

    Thank you kindly. It will indeed take dedication and careful thought, I thank you for that commitment and look forward to your comments. A 'skim over' would miss over 90% of the implications.I did rather pack it in too tight without developing arguments fully, but all parts are essential to an ontological construction unifying QM and SR.

    I've read you essay once and find us again very consistent. I look forward to a 2nd reading and discussion. It seems Paul has a different definition of 'subjective' to it's common use in science, which is implicit from his essay, appearing wholly contradictory but obviously not as understood by Paul, so apparent directly conflicting views may not really be so. I will try to tie that down in due course on Pauls string.

    Best of luck

    Peter

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    Peter

    "Interesting that your view includes that the Electrodynamics of moving bodies is about "stillness".

    'In effect, stillness', ie there is no changing rate of momentum in SR, only uniform rectilinear and non-rotary motion is involved, Einstein said so.

    "and also with observers"

    SR & GR are not about observation. They are concerned with referencing, because there must be a reference in order to make any judgement, and according to them, matter and light are affected when subjected to a differential in gravitational force. Considerations about the speed of light were what sparked the whole train of thought off. And then speed of light was substituted for distance in an incorrect equation (see my posts 11/7 19.33 for that mistake and 13/7 11.24 for SR).

    "But if light 'refreshes' by interactions and scattering it can thus be 'changed', precisely as refraction, Yes?"

    If the speed of the physical effect known as light is somehow constantly refreshed, ie always maintained at its start speed, then it will have, physically, a constant speed. It could be a chain reaction for example. Obviously there will be some occasions when some impediment prevents this. This is a possible explanation as to how light travels. The real point being that there is no need to find it constant. Which brings me to the point you disagree with.

    Light is just a physically existent phenomenon. The fact that it has acquired a functional role in the sensory system known as sight is irrelevant to its physical existence. In fact it ceases as at the point of reception, just like it does if it hits a brick wall instead. Calibrating the speed of light is the same logical exercise as calibrating the speed of anything else. Observation in this context is not the processing of light in the sensory system, it is the point of reception of light at the eye, ie just like the point of reception at the brick wall. The eye has evolved to make use of, with the rest of the sensory system, the configuration of light, the bricks have not.

    "There is no referencing problem with this model"

    There is. Because for calibrations to be comparable, the same reference must be used to formulate all those calibrations. The speed (or indeed any attribute) can only be stated wrt something else, and whilst any something else (ie reference) could be selected, once chosen then it, and it only, must be used.

    Paul

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    Peter

    "The big problem.."

    The big problem is that Einstein defined what SR constituted, but most people are defining it as something else, ie 1905.

    I look forward to your attempt to prove how my essay is contradictory, I can take a guess now as to why you think so.

    Paul

    Avtar,

    Thank you. I'm glad the kinetic basis for 'Quantum Relativity' and it's importance is understood by somebody at least, and I greatly look forward to reading your paper, which it sounds may be very consistent.

    Peter

    Frank,

    I agree we hide from realism, such as any link between the many known qualities of the ISM and the likes of the Higgs field. I think very close to 'lossless propagation' but not quite, which may derive a degree of redshift to finally consign increasing expansion to where it belongs.

    Yes, I agree entirely about Mars. They've also lost many others and nearly lost Huygens-Cassini last year. the cosmological model is clearly hopelessly wrong, but nobody dares tamper with the assumptions it's built on. The Mars ionosphere is weak compared to Earth's but they ignore it at their peril!

    Peter

    Thanks Eckard for the typo proofing. (readers see below). Also P8 Para's 2-3 make more sense as;

    Assumption 7. 'Ballistic' Stellar Aberration. A hidden implicit sub-assumption is that the barycentric 'medium' does not exist, which confounds theory. If Lodge had known of the IAU Barycentric frame, and of KRR, in 1893 he would not have used his lab to represent the ECI frame, incorrectly disallowing Stellar Aberration from waves. Lodge assumed the 'path' of a 'ray' entering a spinning glass disc is 'dragged' by the glass, so giving aberration in the wrong direction (aberration is ahead of our orbital path). However, the rest frame of the glass, NOT the lab represents an observer on Earth. The optical axis is then reversed as in KRR8 (see Fig.4), not needing ballistics, and with a quantum mechanism deriving the SR postulates.

    A connected assumption is of a single Earth centred frame. Kinetic only aberration uses the non-rotating ionospheric ECI frame, but there are TWO! Atmospheric refraction (greatest at longer optical paths near the horizon)13 and an additional kinetic rotational vector explains why local surface light speed is c/n. This 2nd 'frame' resolves the residual errors of laser lunar ranging and stellar aberration.14 Annihilation can't be 100% over short distances, leaving the birefringence found by Raman (1921) and explaining scintillation ('twinkling'), ellipticity and consistently low but non-zero interferometer results.

    Peter

    Edwin,

    I do like the term "significant essay", thank you most humbly. I also agree you've picked out some very salient points.

    In pure physics terms I think it important that we recognise the importance of assimilating the two ignored optical effects (page 8) into current theory. In combination they then allow the complete unification of physics in terms of logically explaining the postulates or SR directly with a quantum mechanism. I perhaps didn't labour this point enough as it has been consistently missed. Does it not come across?

    And the illogicality and causality issue with the 'ballistic' refraction model, which would imply 'ripping' a section out of the causal wave plane and 'hinging' it so some light has to stop and other parts do more than c to 'catch up.' (Fig 3). Do the mega implications of that not emerge clearly?

    I've just found my 'mutual exclusivity' axiom echoes Boscovich's 'axiom of Impenetrability', which is nice.

    I was also pleased to find high consistency with your again excellent, essay, though yours is as densely packed as mine and I need a further read to properly extract all it's meaning.

    Best of luck.

    Peter

    Vijay,

    Thanks, increased density of dielectrics certainly occurs closer to massive bodies, and reduces em wave speed, but the main resolution of the anomalies and paradoxes emerges from the kinetic element. This has been 'hiding' behind Fresnel's n and poor ontological thought processes.

    None the less It seems our theses are consistent and I look forward to reading yours.

    Peter

    Vladimir,

    Thank you. Nothing indeed does not exist. I look forward to your further comments after your studies. I can probably provide more links if needed.

    Yes, both GRIN lenses and Phase Array radar (etc.) systems are highly analogous with my 'rotation' and Figs (I assume you meant 3B and 4.). I didn't have room to include a reference, but for anyone interested an easy intro is here; http://www.radartutorial.eu/06.antennas/an14.en.html

    This blows the whole assumptive basis of 'light Rays', 'light paths' and ray vectors' out of the water as not causal on refraction. This then allows the logic of physics to emerge. Indeed we have not yet found any actual mechanism or complete intuitive explanation for refraction! Yet most physicists will say 'yes of course we know how it works!!'

    I think your essay may be the perfect 'previous chapter' to mine, and I'm impressed you resisted the temptation to cram your beautiful overview with too much, which I fear I have.

    Best of luck

    Peter

    Joe

    I hope the second meaning of the title also emerged. I also tried to make the last line as comprehensible as the first so I hope you got it? (See Frank's comments above). I'm not sure I ever understood any of Seinfeld so you are at an intellectual advantage.

    I agree entirely about "one REAL unit of everything" particularly time. Paul seemed to miss the below too, so I'll elucidate, by analogy;

    You and 2 mates synchronise 3 clocks, one takes one a long way away. Each is ticking at the same REAL time, so let's say they flash once a second. Now the distant one approaches you at half light speed. Your mate with it checks his watch and it is definitely running at the same unchanged speed, but Lo! The flashes of light that you observe as the clock approaches you are LESS than one second apart! What foul trickery is this? it is not. You are not seeing REAL time, because you cannot comply with the rules of 'Proper Time' (to do so you need to be 'moving' at the same speed as the clock).

    Your other mate now flies off in the other direction at half c. His clock still emits the flashes at REAL 1 second intervals, yet, aghast! they are now received by you at much longer intervals. Is time now 'dilated'!!??

    Of course not. You are again not seeing REAL time because the position of the emitter changes between emissions and light has a finite propagation speed irrespective of the emitter. i.e. I am introducing 'APPARENT' time, in ALL CASES except where the observer is at rest with the emitter. Otherwise the flash sequence is 'Doppler shifted'. In reality there is only ever ONE absolute time! We can simply find it for any clock moving at v relative to us, the observer, by adding or subtracting v. Your kinetic reference is then always your own 'rest' state of inertial motion K.

    Is that not far more simple and comprehensible than Seinfeld and the LT?

    Peter

    James

    I'm humbled by your appreciation. I see science and humanities as simply aspects of one nature with a false division. I'm also making the point (Edwin spotted) that philosophy and science are both worse off for complete divorce.

    But the main thrust is the content and evidence. I hope you do labour a little to rationalise the over dense points and massive implications. I've rewritten the penultimate page "Assumption 7; Aberration' paragraphs (3rd post down at the top here) to hopefully make more sense. (I'd 'over pruned' it to meet the limit!).

    I recall I liked your effort last year and will try to read this years soon.

    best wishes

    Peter