Mr. Jackson,

congratulations on the well written, *fun* to read, essay, packed with thought provoking facts. There are many essays in this contest challenging the assumption that space is 'empty'. Let us hope that our message will not fall on deaf ears.

After the things will settle down, which thankfully is soon, and we all can relax about the ratings, I would very much appreciate your feedback on my essay (topic 1547).

Congratulations on making the list of finalists! (even though I confess that I disagree with one of your opinions and that is, "In reality there is only ever ONE absolute time!" -- the important thing is that we can agree on most).

Peter,

I posted a message with questions above in this thread. Am pointing to it in case it got buried too quickly to be noticed. Thank you.

James Putnam

M.V.

Thank you kindly. Perhaps more could resolve the Chinese puzzle than I expected, though it still seems few have completed the full ontological construction. For some it may have been written in Chinese! I appreciate your comments. I'll try to initially speed read yours, I may ever break the 200!

I must explain the one absolute time better then you may agree. To any observer there is local time in his own frame, (Proper Time) then there are different apparent rates of passing within arbitrary many OTHER frames, and all signals emitted in these frames are Doppler shifted when entering his own frame. But for each system, i.e. universe there is a collective 'state of motion', just like there is for a galaxy. THAT is the one 'absolute' time to which I refer. It is for all purposes irrelevant for anyone inside each universe. Local background frames are the key, and always exist, hierarchically nested. My essay should perhaps now be re-read with that in mind to become clearer, though the essay is the tip of the iceberg ontology.

Did that sound closer to your intuition?

Peter

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    James

    You ask what happens physically to cars and drivers on rapid acceleration (frame change). I confirm I derive a Doppler shift, which is a physical length contraction, or dilation, if the body is compressible. So the bodies DO "suffer" if they themselves accelerate. It is purely an unfamiliar way of re-appraising the very familiar. The experimental evidence fills many a scrap yard and hospital. More gentle frame changes are recommended, and smaller masses do less damage to larger ones (some old Law I recall!).

    And when we consider very small masses (or even zero if you wish) like photons, the same happens because they are compressible, as is a sequence of waves. The windscreen of the car hardly notices the impact (the scattering may even be 'non-elastic' for the scatterer), but the photons or waves compress (blue shift).

    If they're coming in by the rear screen they will be wider apart after detection (which should be though of as a 'sampling' process) as the car has moved a bit between each one arriving (again either waves or a string of individual 'particles' as you wish).

    So thinking 'photon'; the effect is that wavelength and frequency change inversely on negotiating the ('fluid dynamic' coupling zone) so c changes to c'. This produces the LOCAL REALITY Einstein sought all his life, by producing the SR postulates from a quantum mechanism, giving the unification Einstein sought all his life.

    The problem is that this is all so unfamiliar (as Feynman said it would be) and simple (as Wheeler said it would be) and conceptual (as Einstein said it would be) that it is largely unrecognizable to most formally indoctrained physicists uless the necessary assumptions identified are suspended to test it.

    Lastly clocks moving at the surface. If the observer is moving with them, No, they won't change. Think about what they are 'moving' with respect to. If they do our rotational velocity they are at rest in the ECI frame!! How do they know if they are moving or not! The concept 'Moving' always has to be specified wrt the 'LOCAL BACKGROUND.' Only if a clock is in another frame does 'Proper Time' not apply, so flight time has to be allowed for, and relative change of position, so apparent change of clock speed. Simple but normally ignored.

    Your last question; You must decide precisely what type of clock as mechanisms vary and are affected differently by many things. But sorry, No. Time itself would not change as it does not 'exist' in terms of an 'entity' existing. 'Emissions rates' change for many reasons, and apparent emission rates change also due to observer motion. That would be all to be consistent with the rest of the ontology.

    I hope that position is clear, but it is initially apparently complex, so if not do ask again.

    best wishes

    Peter

    Peter,

    "You ask what happens physically to cars and drivers on rapid acceleration (frame change). I confirm I derive a Doppler shift, which is a physical length contraction, or dilation, if the body is compressible. So the bodies DO "suffer" if they themselves accelerate."

    No I am not asking about conditions resulting from rapid accleration or even any acceleration. I am asking only about conditions involving constant velocity of a clock in one cse and a stationary object in the other case.

    James

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    Jin

    I think Planck was correct. But they've now found a way round it. Before they 'die out' they now indoctrinate a new generation by failing those who don't toe the line. That is a portent for the end of the experiment on mankind. Perhaps a student rebellion is needed against the worst. But there are still many open minded and non arrogant and complacent Professors. Have faith and show mankind can prevail by making it happen. I can now provide the tools.

    Perhaps China or the East is the only place the change must now start to succeed.

    Best wishes

    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    You indicated you would comment on my essay on my 'string'. And it seems to be your policy that you comment only on those essays whose authors have commented on yours. I have fulfilled that bargain quite well. I am awaiting your comments on "Geometrodynamics of Energy" with which I have explained cardinal relativistic phenomena without reference to space-time whatsoever. I have proved the constancy of the velocity of light etc. etc.

    Here's my essay: http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1549

    I request you to respond under my essay.

    Hoping to hear your comments.

    Best regards,

    Viraj

      Thank you Peter, for your comment on my page.

      Your thoughtfulness is appreciated. So that I may finish reading and rating papers all the papers I can, before the cutoff, detailed comments will have to wait. Be assured yours was included in those I read, however.

      I had to work at it, though, as the semi-conversational tone was not so easy for me to follow. Or perhaps it simply makes one stop to think often, and I was hoping it would pull me forward instead. More later.

      I wish you good luck.

      Regards,

      Jonathan

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        Peter

        Congrats. You and Tejinder are the only authors in the top ten 2yrs running. But why has your most fundamental discovery of the mechanism for CSL not made inroads into physics yet? I'm not a physicist, but in medicine such an advancement would be headline news within a matter of weeks (then admittedly years before the pills are swallowed). There seems an air of suspended disbelif, or has no-one noticed? I'm quite intruiged, though looking at the comments, many seem to have seen it but perhaps just not quite yet absorbed it.

        I know architecture is PhD level and also needs professional qualifications, but are you also the only non full time physicist in the top 10? As in my own discipline, there is too often resistance to those not felt as 'in the club'. I hope you don't feel any sense of exclusion. It is you at the heart, and they wandering in poorer light further from the truth. (I thought you'd like that one!) Lovely peom by the way. It may even go down in history one day.

        My very best wishes in your seemingly thankless task.

        Judy

          Viraj,

          Yes, I consider it courtesy to read & reply. I did so on 28th Sept on your string (the 'blog' comments under your essay) to which you have not yet replied as you seem to have missed it. If you reply to that there and I miss it please flag it up here for me.

          To explain my 'policy', I'll always try to respond to comments, and read the essays, otherwise my priorities are 1/ Titles seeming to disagree with my findings (valuable falsification), 2/ Titles of interest or I wish to learn more about, 3/ Titles that seem to agree with mine, and 4/ Authors I know do good quality work. I think I managed over 200, though many part speed-reading, which can 'bounce off' important concept without care.

          That does mean I missed 2 in the top 10! but can now read and absorb them more thoroughly. I've been very impressed with the hight quality, running to many outside the top 100!

          I note you have no orange bands on your replies, which means you're not 'logging in' (bottom left of page) to respond.

          I look forward to your response.

          Best wishes.

          Peter

          Hi, Peter

          I've just gotten to reading your essay, which is way over my head, though I am attracted to its general aims. I've long been fascinated by the concepts and assumptions in SR. My intuitive (and very non-professional) take has been that the constant speed of light is an inevitable consequence of using light to measure all things. In effect: a problem of self-reference! Similarly, the problem of an absolute frame of reference boiled down to using light to detect motion through the specific medium for transmitting light. At the time (c 1900) nobody imagined "matter" that was not involved with electromagnetic signals. Yet somehow the dogma was established of constant c, that "nothing can travel faster than light", and that there is no medium permeating space that could serve as a preferred frame of reference.

          p.s. I finally responded to your comments on my thread, for which thanks

          Dan

          Jonathen

          Thanks. It was designed to to help you stop and think, because the intellectual powers needed to assimilate each revised assumption and form the kit of epistemological elements into the full ontological construction are well beyond most of humankind. Most brains can hold 3 concepts at once and visualise interactions. This required EIGHT! and eight MODIFIED assumptions, then also kinetic EVOLUTIONS of the interactions.

          Stops for review and assimilation were essential. And it was no good trying it all mathematically as maths is at the heart of why it has NOT been found before. Wire frame Cartesian systems CANNOT fully model motion or it's effects. It needs real 'planes' and 'bodies' (3D) as referred by Einstein, then complex 'time stepping' maths only just now being developed. You did very well catching more than just the 'glimpses' most do.

          The underlying solution to CSL via the quanta is simple as Wheeler predicted. But getting physicists there from where they are at present is a mountain climb!

          The astonishing thing was finding that the ontology of real inertial frames precisely matches the structure of Truth Propositional Logic!! (TPL)

          In TPL, a 'proposition' may be co-joined to form a compound proposition, which may itself be a smaller part of a main proposition. Each compound part must be resolved within itself in sequence before it can be resolved with respect to the main proposition. But the main proposition may also be part of a compound proposition, which may be resolved 'locally' with the smaller compound parts remaining. This gives a nested hierarchical but mutually exclusive system of propositions, which can go in ad infinitum.

          Now we just substitute real 3D 'inertial frames' for 'propositions' and that is the structure of space-time. Each is mutually exclusive (as Einstein's space s in motion within S) bounded by a 'membrane' to provide the acceleration mechanism, precisely as a 'fluid dynamic coupling' at ALL scales! ('fine structure' surface electron TZ). We've just sent some probes up to better explore Earth's.

          This has major implications throughout physics. I've now looked at almost every inconsistency (scores of them) in science to test the model. Each time it fails to be falsified and resolves anomalies at will. It's infuriating. I almost feel I'm cursed, with the task of trying to drag the majority of physics 100 years back to reality! What chance?! All help gratefully accepted. You'd need to look beyond this tip of the 'iceberg' to the main body if interested. A number here who are like minded are interested in a large collaboration. If you really do grasp and agree the fundamental underlying mechanistic solution let me know.

          I look forward to your 'more later'.

          Best wishes

          Peter

          Judy

          So incisive. Changing a ruling paradigm in physics is far easier than changing the orbit of the sun round our AGN, but may take a little time (I may have been optimistic last year suggesting 2020). There are many 'ideas' out there, no system of assessment, and all focussed on their own agenda's so 'new' truths struggle to emerge. Your 'headline news' may be after 40 years of subjugation, as was proved with quasicrystals.

          Interesting point on what I call comprehension. See my reply to Jonathen above. I suspect you're right.

          Someone said reaching PhD level gives you the right to be wrong, which is how I felt, not any right to be right. Many in physics seem to feel otherwise, or a superiority and right to ignore or condescend to fellow man. You must know that temptation. It's easy to give in to, but we must recognise it and the rot it brings to have a chance of stopping it.

          'Exclusion'? Hmmm. No, I never felt I wanted to join a crowd as I'd only see what they saw. 'Non full time'? True I still have to run the consultancy and don't have to earn money from physics, but as an FRAS and APS member and spending twice the time on research and writing than most professors that may be arguable! No, time is tight (want to buy a yacht?) but I'm very happy where I am. Thanks for those kind and interesting thoughts.

          And strictly it was a sonnet not a poem. The Chaucerian iambic pentameter is about as initially tricky compared to rhyming couplets as learning new assumptions is for anyone indoctrinated with old ones, so I thought it appropriate in this context. But just a bit of fun really to lighten things up. Glad you enjoyed it, and great to hear from you.

          Best wishes

          Peter

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          Peter,

          You still have not deduced the Doppler frequency shift, from f=c/L to f'=(c+v)/L, by assuming that the wavelength changes somewhere between the lens and the brain. Again: The observer is stationary and measures the frequency to be f=c/L. Then the observer starts moving towards the light source with speed v and the measured frequency becomes f'=(c+v)/L. If the observer moves away from the light source the frequency is f'=(c-v)/L. Just deduce f'=(c+v)/L and f'=(c-v)/L from the variable-wavelength assumption.

          You are the leading antirelativist now aren't you? (Don't tell me you are Einsteinian deep in your heart.)

          Pentcho Valev

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          Peter,

          I am sorry to say that what you have written does not make sense.

          You wrote:

          (Author Peter Jackson replied on Oct. 6, 2012 @ 18:01 GMT)

          "Yes, I consider it courtesy to read & reply. I did so on 28th Sept on your string (the 'blog' comments under your essay) to which you have not yet replied as you seem to have missed it. If you reply to that there and I miss it please flag it up here for me".

          Sep 28 post of yours was no was NOT A REPLY. This was the very first between us initiated by you. And what you wrote on my 'thread' (on Sep 28th) was rather empty Praises of my essay and a promise of a HIGH SCORE (which you have promised to many, many people). I say 'empty' because you did not comment upon any substance in my essay. It was just a string of a few vague statements. What you wanted to know was about boats (which I ignored because it has nothing to do with the essays).

          You have said I have not replied yours of Sep 28th. What do you mean? If you can't remember ask Fed Dobbs.

          On my part, I read your essay and at first wrote a lengthy critique about your theoretical positions in two parts on Sep 29th, (and then wrote a few more responses as well. These were all about your essay). It was not vague 'praise-ology' and promise of a high score in return that I responded with.

          Then on Oct 1, you wrote: . "I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO YOURS IN MORE DEPTH ON YOUR STRING".

          Where is this 'more in depth write up of yours about my essay' on my string?

          Neither the high score you promised came.

          (Instead the position of my essay plummeted 30 places (even before Fedosin's antics further worsened its position). With the low number of raters (may be 14 ratings then) on my essay, if you gave the "high score" as you promised it should have jumped up about 40 places. Now that the community ratings are shown on the list, circumstantially I can be certain either you did not give the High Score you promised or you in fact deliberately gave me a low score).

          Nor the In-Depth critique you promised about my essay came.

          I hope you would honour at least the promise of writing an in-depth critique of my essay. (Forget about the score. As I said before I am in this forum to excahnge ideas and to receive critical reviews of my essay).

          To make it easy for you I am attaching my essay.

          Best regards,

          VirajAttachment #1: 14_A_TREATISE_ON_FOUNDATIONAL_PROBLEMS_OF_PHYSICS2.doc

            Pentcho.

            Doppler shift is observed IN the new frame, by observer B, NOT by the stationary observer A watching the moving '3D block' of medium go past him. Same with sound. If you're moving with the ambulance you don't hear a Doppler shift. OK?

            Observer A at rest with the original source in the background medium finds the light reaching him direct from it is doing c. Still OK?

            But if A can then ALSO see a 'pulse' of that light moving through the block of moving medium going past him, he would see it doing APPARENT c+v or c-v. i.e. entirely intuitive. Still OK?

            You may need to think about that carefully first, and clarify in your mind, that the 'c+v' is NOT as observed by the co-moving observer, who ALWAYS observes local c.

            So the real equation is not as you suggest for observer B, at rest in the new co-moving frame. He sees c, but with f and lambda changed inversely.

            So; f=c/L simply becomes f'=c/L'. Observer A, in the rest frame, DOES find the 'apparent c+v' but does NOT find any Doppler shift.

            Observer A (if able to measure the frequency and lambda remotely but in relation to his own frame, which is tricky!) would find APPARENT f = c+v/L'. In other words, in his case, the frequency of waves passing him by doesn't change.

            This has been proved experimentally at my local airport. Get a line of people 1m apart to walk past you at 3mph (or call it 'c' mph) and record the frequency.

            Now stand beside a travellator and get then to do the same but stepping onto the travellator and continuing at c mph. You will find they have increased apparent speed, and increased wavelength (spacing), but pass you at precisely the same frequency!

            This does take a modicum of intellect to initially absorb and assimilate, but I fully expect you to be able to succeed. It will be shocking to many devoted relativists, but remember the Trojan Horse virus secret, so please have a bit of discretion, which means don't go shouting about it and warning them in advance!

            Peter

              Hello Peter,

              It is good to see that you are in the final evaluations. I am among the lucky also, assuming there are no more ripples in the IGM (or the essay ratings), but I think your inclusion is well-deserved. And your encouragement of my work is also greatly appreciated. I trust the judges will treat you well.

              Regards,

              Jonathan

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              Peter,

              "Get a line of people 1m apart to walk past you at 3mph (or call it 'c' mph) and record the frequency."

              OK. In an analogous (Doppler) scenario, I am stationary relative to the light source and the wavecrests (=people) pass me at c.

              "Now stand beside a travellator and get then to do the same but stepping onto the travellator and continuing at c mph. You will find they have increased apparent speed, and increased wavelength (spacing), but pass you at precisely the same frequency!"

              But Peter this is no more analogous to the Doppler scenario. In the Doppler scenario, I stop being stationary ans start moving towards the light source with speed v. Analogously, at the aiport, I start walking along the line of people with speed v, in the opposite direction. The spacing between people remains the same (1 m) but their frequency and speed relative to me increase.

              Pentcho Valev

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              Peter,

              Roger Barlow explains the frequency shift in terms of varying speed of light, c'=c+v, and constant wavelength:

              Roger Barlow, Professor of Particle Physics: "The Doppler effect - changes in frequencies when sources or observers are in motion - is familiar to anyone who has stood at the roadside and watched (and listened) to the cars go by. It applies to all types of wave, not just sound. (...) Moving Observer. Now suppose the source is fixed but the observer is moving towards the source, with speed v. In time t, ct/(lambda) waves pass a fixed point. A moving point adds another vt/(lambda). So f'=(c+v)/(lambda)."

              Is Roger Barlow right, Peter?

              Pentcho Valev