Hello Jonathan,

Did you have any thoughts on my essay? Some of the ideas are summed up in a good conversation with George Ellis on his page, Sept 9th - 10th (12.49 - 20.33). We agree on a lot of things, but he has the spacetime interpretation and block time modified, I think they need replacing. He agreed with what's in my essay, which is a rational argument that standard block time must be false. I pointed out a major weakness in the EBU picture (emerging block universe) on that thread, which he didn't really refute.

Anyway, have been enjoying the discussion on your page.

Look forward to talking with you,

Best wishes, Jonathan

Dear Jonathan,

Having noticed several insightful comments you have made on other threads, I was prompted to read your essay. It did not disappoint. In what follows, I hope you'll forgive me if I mention how my own ideas relate to a lot of what you said. The fact is, you touch on many if not most of the points I think are crucial to advancing physics, and consequently these are things I have thought a lot about.

1. An important point you make is how little we actually know about cosmology. This should be self-evident from the mere fact that 95% of the postulated matter-energy content of the universe is "dark," meaning we know not what. An important factor here, I think, is scale dependence; the strong/weak interactions, EM, gravity, dark matter, and dark energy all dominate on different scales. This suggests fractal concepts at work, which is exactly what you suggest. Bravo!

2. You mention noninteger dimension. Again, I think this is right on target. In particular, dimension is something I would like to try to explain, rather than assume.

3. On the subject of inflation, I will just remark that theories based on causal structure, rather than manifolds, may have an advantage here, since one of the main problems inflation seeks to explain is homogeneity, and there exist causal structures that may accomplish this in a more natural way than manifold inflation. Scale-dependence, fractals, non-integer dimension, and causal structures all play a role in my own approach, described in my essay here: On the Foundational Assumptions of Modern Physics.

4. You mention twistor theory. It's very likely to be important; I wish I knew more about it!

5. You make some other interesting remarks about dimension, which I will have to consider more carefully.

6. Regarding the quaternions and octonions and the relations to spheres, I think you are talking about Hopf fibrations. These are important even in ordinary quantum information theory, whether or not they have anything to do with fundamental structure.

7. You mention holism; I think this definitely applies at the quantum level, and one way to think about it is Feynman's sum over histories, in which the entire history of the universe is relevant even to local evolution on the quantum level. I also discuss this in my essay.

8. You mention the symmetry groups of the Standard Model. I think that ultimately we will have to replace group representation theory with something more primitive. See my essay again for details.

In conclusion, thanks for the great read. I would also be interested to know your thoughts on my own submission. Take care,

Ben Dribus

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    Thank you for the nice remarks on my essay.

    Here are some thought about gravity that are a bit different.

    Einstein, who, more than anyone else gave us our current view of the nature of gravity, said that gravity is not a force and yet in most of contemporary physics gravity is treated as if it were. It appears that the presently held view of gravity is that it does not pull you into the chair in which you are sitting but rather, because of the curvature of space-time, it pushes you into the chair. This is a bit absurd; Gravity is either a force or it isn't, it simply can't be both.

    Einstein used the example of a man jumping from a building. The man would feel no force pushing or pulling him. The only way he would know he is moving is by the motion of the building that seems to be moving up and the friction of the wind. While nobody challenges this it seems to be almost universally ignored. The example of the man falling is a good one but gravity can be proved to not be a force by use of a very simple, basic physical law.

    Suppose I hold a ball of a given weight stationary in the air. The understanding of vectors tells us that a force equal to the force I am supplying must be pushing down on the ball. Vector analysis also tells us that a resulting vector will appear in a direction opposite the acute angle formed by the two vectors. The acceleration of the resultant vector, if the forces are constant, is dependent upon the sine of the acute angle formed by the two vectors. In the case of my holding the ball the angle formed by my pushing up and the alleged force of gravity pushing down is 180°. The sine of 180° is zero so the resultant vector is zero. It is important to remember that the force and acceleration of both vectors is still very real.

    Newton's second law of motion says that Force is equal to Mass times Acceleration - F=ma. If I hold a ball ten times heavier the force I supply must be ten times stronger as well. In order to the stationary position of the ball I must also increase the downward force ten times. Herein lies the problem.

    Acceleration is dependent on force and mass. The only way acceleration can be changed is to alter either the force or the mass. We know that acceleration in a gravitational field is a constant. On the earth it is 32 feet per second squared. If the gravity of the earth is a force and created by the curvature of space-time then this force too must be constant. The only thing that is a variable is the mass however, if we change the mass we change either the force or the acceleration. Thus either heavier objects fall more slowly than lighter objects or the acceleration changes as a result of the change in mass. We know empirically that this cannot be true as both force and acceleration are constant. Therefore gravity cannot be a force.

    The ball is now ten times heavier and thus the gravitational field (if indeed that is the correct term) is ten times as strong. The curvature of the space-time created by the ball is greater and so, if gravity is a force, the ball is pulling the earth with a stronger force. Actually the acceleration of the earth toward the ball has increased and so the earth is falling toward the ball at a greater velocity. We can see this in Newton's other formula: F = G(m1m2/r2) While this does not exactly hold in GR it is sufficient for this argument. The increase in the apparent attraction of the earth and the ten pound ball is so small as to be virtually immeasurable.

    If gravity is not a force why do we feel our weight when sitting in a chair? Consider a situation where two opposing vectors are both forces, such as two cue sticks pushing on a billiard ball at two points in direct opposition.

    The change in the position of the ball is zero and we can state that this is the resultant force of the two primary vectors. We have the mass of the cue ball and the force applied by the cue sticks. This means that there is in both cases an acceleration. An object can have any number of independent motions and in this case the ball is moving in two directly opposite directions but the ball is moving. The second law of motion states that force and mass will produce an acceleration. These two opposing accelerations do not 'cancel each other'. They create a vector with zero acceleration. Perhaps it may be more correct to say that they produce no vector.

    Since gravity behaves much like a force, we feel our weight in a chair because we are still falling. Just because the chair stops a change in position does not mean we are not still falling. Our feeling of weight comes from momentum. A falling body has a certain momentum even if it does not actually change its position. It is this momentum we feel when sitting in a chair.

    Since gravity is not in any way a force it has none of the properties of a force. It does not propagate. It would only propagate if it were a force. Contemporary physics not only thinks of gravity as a force but appears to think of it as an electromagnetic force. Many, many hours have been spent by really brilliant people trying to reconcile the 'force' of gravity with such forces as magnetism. The mass of an atom does not create the curvature of space-time any more than the nucleus creates the electron. The curvature is an integral part of the atom that was created when the atom was created. It cannot be modified nor removed.

    Newton, when he worked out his gravitation theories, was concerned with action at a distance. Even though gravity is ubiquitous through the universe there is no action at a distance because there is no action. Gravity does not do anything, it simply is. It is not one of the elementary forces as it is not a force. There is no need for energy mediating bosons to mediate the force ergo, thus there is no graviton. I seriously doubt that the Large Hadron Collider will find any evidence of a massless, spin-2 boson.

    It has been said that if the sun were to suddenly disappear we would not be aware of it for eight and a half minutes. That is true but has nothing to with the curvature of space-time and thus gravity. If the sun were to disappear instantly the curvature would disappear instantly as well. We would not sense this in any way, since the path of earth around the sun is a geodesic nothing would have changed; we would still be traveling in a straight line. Eight and a half minutes later everything would become instantly dark and start to quickly become very cold. That we would certainly sense and then we would know that the sun had disappeared.

    The extent of a gravitational field appears to be limitless. It diminishes as described by the inverse square law but never completely disappears. Thus the entire universe is one large structure formed of a myriad of space-time curvatures.

    Finally; since gravity is not a force why it is considered along with magnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force to be one of the primary force interactions of physical reality? Gravity is not a force, it is a condition.

    If indeed gravity is not a force, are we correct is thinking that gravity functions at the quantum level? Does an elementary particle warp the space-time or is the concept of space even valid at the quantum level. It seems quite possible that gravity at quantum level may be a mathematical concept that would only be valid if gravity is a force.

    4 days later

    Hello everyone,

    I heartily thank Gene, Jonathan, and Ben for their comments above. Sorry for my absence from this forum. I've been sidelined with unexpected responsibilities, but things are now getting back to normal. I'll be making more comments and reading more essays, over the next few days.

    I expect to post some supporting materials here, to make a summary of important concepts covered in my essay, and also a brief review of concepts that carry over from my past FQXi essays, some time soon.

    All the Best,

    Jonathan

    Dear Jonathan,

    Studying the question of connection of entropy and gravitation, I found Lorentz-invariant formula for entropy in the book: Fizika i filosofiia podobiia ot preonov do metagalaktik. Perm, 1999, 544 pages. ISBN 5-8131-0012-1. In short the question is described in the book: The physical theories and infinite nesting of matter. Perm, 2009-2012, 858 pages. ISBN 978-5-9901951-1-0 in such way: Using the stress-energy tensors for the substance and the gravitational and electromagnetic fields allows us to write the equations of thermodynamics explicitly in the Lorentz-invariant form. As a result the entropy, the amount of heat, the chemical potential, the work and thermodynamic potentials can be represented as tensor functions of microscopic quantities, including the electric and gravitational field strengths, the pressure and the compression function. This allows us in § 21 to find out the meaning of the entropy as the function of the system state - it is proportional to the ratio, taken with the negative sign, of the absolute value of the ordered energy in the system to the heat energy, which is chaotic by nature. The ordered energy means the energy of directed motion of the substance, the compression energy from pressure and the potential energy of the substance in the gravitational and electromagnetic fields. When the system achieves equilibrium, part of the orderly energy inevitably is converted into thermal form and the entropy obtains a positive increment. I hope it may be interesting for you.

    Sergey Fedosin

    Jonathan

    I agree with your comment above on topology, and extend that to the need for a physical boundary topology for inertial frames, which I offer.

    Do let me know if you've read my essay yet as promised, I do look forward to your comments as I'm deluded enough to really believe I've uncovered an astonishing new insight, which I think you amongst not too many will grasps the kinetics of quite quickly. You may also enjoy the superficial touch of theatre.

    I also think your own essay deserves to be very much higher and it's slipped in at the top of my score list. Glad you're back in action. Personally I'm nearly essayed to death!

    Best wishes

    Peter

      Dear Jonathan I enjoyed our discussions on this and my page.

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      Hello. This is group message to you and the writers of some 80 contest essays that I have already read, rated and probably commented on.

      This year I feel proud that the following old and new online friends have accepted my suggestion that they submit their ideas to this contest. Please feel free to read, comment on and rate these essays (including mine) if you have not already done so, thanks:

      Why We Still Don't Have Quantum Nucleodynamics by Norman D. Cook a summary of his Springer book on the subject.

      A Challenge to Quantized Absorption by Experiment and Theory by Eric Stanley Reiter Very important experiments based on Planck's loading theory, proving that Einstein's idea that the photon is a particle is wrong.

      An Artist's Modest Proposal by Kenneth Snelson The world-famous inventor of Tensegrity applies his ideas of structure to de Broglie's atom.

      Notes on Relativity by Edward Hoerdt Questioning how the Michelson-Morely experiment is analyzed in the context of Special Relativity

      Vladimir Tamari's essay Fix Physics! Is Physics like a badly-designed building? A humorous illustrate take. Plus: Seven foundational questions suggest a new beginning.

      Thank you and good luck.

      Vladimir

        After studying about 250 essays in this contest, I realize now, how can I assess the level of each submitted work. Accordingly, I rated some essays, including yours.

        Cood luck.

        Sergey Fedosin

          Hi Jonathan,

          I liked the easygoing flow (play) of your essay that gives a 3D view of what is happening in flatland.

          It is also good to be with you in another essay contest.

          Best of Luck,

          Don L.

            Thanks Don,

            It is my pleasure to be in this contest with you, as well. I am glad you enjoyed my essay, and got that I was playing tour guide about our journey through dimensional space. I hope to read your essay soon, and I wish you great luck too.

            All the Best,

            Jonathan

            Thank you Sergey,

            I appreciate the time taken to read and your input, and I hope to give you the same courtesy soon.

            Regards,

            Jonathan

            Thank You Peter,

            I appreciate your kind remarks. I have started reading your essay several times, and gotten distracted. What I have read looks very interesting. I shall make a special attempt to finish up and comment soon, before the cut off, as you were one of the first to visit my essay and forum page.

            All the Best,

            Jonathan

            A tall order Vladimir!

            Thank you for your kind remarks, regardless.

            I will see how many from your list I can get to in time. The ones I did read were quite interesting. But I have quite a few essays already in my queue. We shall see how quick the time goes.

            Regards,

            Jonathan

            Thank you Hoang Cao Hai,

            As your query is a generic message that relates to your essay content (rather than mine), I shall attempt to address your concerns on your essay's forum - instead of here - assuming I can get to reading it in a timely manner.

            all the best,

            Jonathan

            OK Ben,

            On 1.) the lack of knowledge about what constitutes the dark sector is something several speakers touched on at FFP11. We don't know exactly what dark matter or dark energy is, so cosmologists are taking a lot on faith IMO. And as you note; the scale dependence of dimensionality is important to consider, and suggests a fractal character to spacetime.

            On 4.) yes Twistors are very cool. They address some of the issues you mentioned were raised about points by Grothendieck - on Ian's forum page. They replace points with Rays, as the most fundamental level of structure. I imagine that relates to the concept of causal structure quite explicitly.

            On 7.) a holistic approach is essential to complete understanding, and it offers insight that is complementary to those obtained through reductionist means. And as for the sum over histories; you need to learn more about Feynman's forgotten gem - Hamiltonian Phase Space Path Integrals.

            Basically you are then looking at dynamism straight on, as a Hamiltonian in phase space, rather than working in the kinematic space of the conventional Lagrangian formulation. The cool thing is that this incorporates quantum uncertainty at the outset, but often resolves into a simpler functional integral along the way. I'll look up a paper by Steven Kenneth Kauffmann you should have.

            All the Best,

            Jonathan

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            Thank you for the post in my essay: I am weak in bibliographic search (I apply the Poincaré method)

            I am reading the article that you suggest, that is true for a simple (oscillator) system, but have the property to maintain the Plank constant (the weak point in my demonstration) in the Hamiltonization.

            I understand that this is a starting point of a possible complete theory, but I share all my ideas because I think that the puzzles are solved combining small pieces of the solution: I shall try to develop more carefully my theory, but it is important that others had, and develop, the same ideas.

            Saluti

            Domenico

              Thank you so much Domenico!

              I think you will find Steven Kauffmann's work excellent. He is obviously brilliant, yet I once helped him to get a paper published, breaking a blockade. There is another paper of his, that focuses on the Hamiltonization procedure. I think he cites that work in the paper I forwarded though.

              I am glad I could help you out, and I wish you the best of luck.

              Regards,

              Jonathan

              Hello All,

              My essay 'Cherished Assumptions and the Progress of Physics' shows how a playful approach to making assumptions yields swifter research progress, which is essential in times where the available knowledge is growing very fast - like the present day. The time lag in the general public, for the adoption of new knowledge from Physics, is apparently about a century.

              But for those on the forefront of scientific research; knowledge is doubling every ten years or less. Obviously, scientists must be more agile in their thinking strategies than the average individual. A conceptual approach is what is needed sometimes, but the fact there is more and more information to be learned means that there is a lot of memorization. It's important to also learn how to think and how to learn.

              Scientific progress is about learning how to learn about the universe better. This is different from trying to learn all the details perfectly. It is all about trying out possible answers and getting the universe to tell you its secrets. Physics is really about how we learn about the universe.

              That's all for now,

              Jonathan

                If you do not understand why your rating dropped down. As I found ratings in the contest are calculated in the next way. Suppose your rating is [math]R_1 [/math] and [math]N_1 [/math] was the quantity of people which gave you ratings. Then you have [math]S_1=R_1 N_1 [/math] of points. After it anyone give you [math]dS [/math] of points so you have [math]S_2=S_1+ dS [/math] of points and [math]N_2=N_1+1 [/math] is the common quantity of the people which gave you ratings. At the same time you will have [math]S_2=R_2 N_2 [/math] of points. From here, if you want to be R2 > R1 there must be: [math]S_2/ N_2>S_1/ N_1 [/math] or [math] (S_1+ dS) / (N_1+1) >S_1/ N_1 [/math] or [math] dS >S_1/ N_1 =R_1[/math] In other words if you want to increase rating of anyone you must give him more points [math]dS [/math] then the participant`s rating [math]R_1 [/math] was at the moment you rated him. From here it is seen that in the contest are special rules for ratings. And from here there are misunderstanding of some participants what is happened with their ratings. Moreover since community ratings are hided some participants do not sure how increase ratings of others and gives them maximum 10 points. But in the case the scale from 1 to 10 of points do not work, and some essays are overestimated and some essays are drop down. In my opinion it is a bad problem with this Contest rating process. I hope the FQXI community will change the rating process.

                Sergey Fedosin

                Dear Jonathan,

                You are right that there is too much to know in science. Yet, your managed to write a well-documented and interesting essay. I appreciate the playful style. I also agree that from time to time at least it is important to try to conceptualize more what we do.

                Good luck,

                Cristi Stoica