Alan

Can you explain how the 'phases' of the moon can directly relate to the flyby's gravitationally, which were on varying trajectories and planes?

As you may recall I'm also a yacht master so have to predict tides all the time from astronometric data. (flow rates, heights and times are all critical). The sun/moon model does very well to first and second order, By the time we get to higher orders many other trivial effects come into play. The main ones are air pressure and wind, in fact when combined and with neap tides and weak flow these can become first order! They are also only approximate, coming within Navier Stokes uncertainties.

Even taking a single 'Port' and wide database there is then indeed still room for other, if quite trivial, effects. The other planets are small and less dense. I've done only approximations but they certainly seem to come within the category 'trivial'. I'd be interested in any other data you have.

As far as Flyby's go, they fit a model including our planet's dense bow shock. This includes the most recent one which had almost zero effect. The moons potential is of course allowed for (have you checked where the moon was then wrt it's track?)

I'm a very practical bloke and remain to be convinced by hard data, accurate application and logical interpretation. Do send such. Simply correlating flyby dates with 'moon phases' does not seem able to reproduce what is already done with great precision.

Peter

Peter,

I appreciate you taking an interest in the flyby anomaly and how it can relate to the current gravity problem in physics. I'm a sea kayaker so too am familar with reading tide tables and having a deeper knowledge of the weather. I've also studied astronomy, physics and simulation modelling.

The Flyby anomaly has a number of clues to it's origin:

(i)An analysis of the MESSENGER spacecraft (studying Mercury) did not reveal any significant unexpected velocity increase. This may be that MESSENGER both approached and departed Earth symmetrically about the equator. This implies that an additional force occurs on the plane of Earth's rotation, the equatorial plane. The moon traverses this plane, making it a likely candidate.

(ii)There are a few cases where a negative change in speed is recorded. Some cases have a high increase in speed. The moon provides this ability to give *both* an increase and decrease in flyby energy depending on it's relative position. It could be in front or behind the approaching spacecraft. This information is vital to further confirm this new hypothesis. I'll endeavour to find out just as soon as I can.

Do you get the gist? The phases of the moon dictate it's position above and below the equatorial plane in a 2 week cycle. I'm proposing that when the moon crosses this plane irregular matter interacts with irregular matter within the earth, creating additional tides and is responsible for the Bond event. This additional force also interacts more weakly with the iron of a flyby craft, due to it's centre-bodied cubic geometry. So when a craft flyby occurs with the moon in front of it and on the same plane, then a maximum energy increase occurs. If the moon is above or below the equatorial plane then no additional effect occurs. If the moon is on the same plane but behind the craft relative to the earth, then a decrease in energy is observed. This technique can give a *prediction* for the Juno flyby.

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    Alan,

    Well done, you have got me generating a whole new chapter for my upcoming cosmology eBook [A chapter on multi-body gravitational mechanics].

    Send me your email address to answers@tetryonics.com and I'll return email a couple of draft illustrations on SUN-Earth-moon system GEM interactions, so you have a clearer picture of the exact field mechanics that I've been describing to you in this forum.

    I'll know they'll get you excited and I'd appreciate your feed-back on them.

    Abraham,

    I'm honoured to have influenced you for the better and given something new for your upcoming book. I'll happily take a look at your draft illustrations and give you some feedback.

    I'm still waiting for Peter's assessment of the claim of a new discovery and the potential for a scientific prediction for Juno's flyby. Here's my latest thoughts:

    The giant impact hypothesis is a vital part of the moon conunudrum imo.

    (i) The moon appears to be more influential for flyby accelerations than the earth itself. This implies that the moon has more irregular matter than the earth, yet much smaller in size. I propose that Theia, the large impact body, had a high concentration of irregular matter for it's size and consequently acquired earth's irregular matter as it passed *through* the protoplanet. This could be the reason for life on earth. Less irregular matter means less comet impacts from iron and other irregular matter comets. The moon would also act as a 'soak-up' for these incoming orbital comets. It's similar to how Jupiter acts as a 'soak-up' for comets in the region.

    I even had the idea that Theia passed through the Arctic basin, creating Antarctica on it's exit! The moon then interacted with Venus, causing it to flip and was then captured by earth in a return orbit. The earth then flipped itself by 90 degrees so that the comet entry became the north pole as we are familiar with today. Pure speculation of course.

    There's many unknowns with the moon's creation. The issue is far from being resolved, much like the ice age theory fundamental problems .

    Abraham,

    I can't see how Tetryonics can explain the flyby anomaly being determined by the moon's position and not simply due to the much nearer earth.

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      Hi Alan.

      Here's where the 'simpler' Gravitational fields of Newton and Einstein are revealed in their true nature.

      Firstly, you will note that the circular fields represent the Newtonian 4pG fields the all Matter produces.

      Secondly, the E^2 fields [the diamond ones] are geometric reflections of the super-positioned E-field components of the same field that Newton modelled with his formula for Gravitation [and Coulomb modelled for Charge interactions - hence their similarities]

      Leaving the M-Fields to contribute the last 2pG perturbation fields that affect only objects very close to gravitation Matter bodies [of course all of this is further complicated by the rotations of these same bodies]

      ie Newtonian 4pG becomes 8pG closer to Gravitational Matter where objects are influenced by G,E & M fields all at once.

      In short - all GEM fields are comprised of 4p CONVERGENT fields 2p INTERACTIVE E-fields and 2p PERTURBATIVE M-fields. [additionally complicating these fields is the fact that G&E fields follow the inverse SQUARE law whilst M fields follow the inverse CUBED law].

      Re: the moon interactions wrt to the Earth's on flybys - the E-fields will create an interactive force between each body of Matter in addition to the convergent force created by the gravitation of Matter alone.

      The SUN, Earth and moon all produce these 3 quantum level interactions which is normally accounted for in Newtonian & GR math BUT it does not model any interactive forces, only the observed net convergent we term gravitation, thereby ignoring the possibility of any interactive E-field forces at the quantum level.

      Accordingly, the moon [when positioned on the same side as the SUN during fly-by] will produce a interactive E-field force on a satellite's charged Matter geometries additional to the Earth's and when it is a Full moon it will create a small force in opposition to the GEM field of the Earth during fly-by.

      You can get the same result using the current Newtonian & GE models but they ignore the interactive forces present during equatorial fly-bys and the perturbative forces present in higher inclinations.

      In short - by geometrically modelling the 3 fields [and all their quantum] interactions additional forces come into play [ie INTERACTION - opposites attract - similar repel & perturbations] which has an effect on the motion of Matter in the GEM fields of other material bodies.

      This is all very 'simple' to explain but much harder to illustrate

      Okay, I'll have to digest the explanation that you've given me and get back to you as soon as I can. I'm glad we both agree on the mysterious influence of the moon on earth flybys.

        In the meantime I'm still perplexed that you can have a model which describes the *extreme* irregular nature of the flyby discovery which an exotic matter comet hypothesis can explain. The moon can be represented as a pea held at arm's length infront of one's eye, which represents the size of the earth. How can the moon which is so much smaller and *so* much further away affect the satellite when it skims the earth's atmosphere? My model has the moon's composition to be much different to that of the earth, having a much higher concentartion of irregular matter. How does tetryonics account for this apparent discrepancy between the moon's internal composition and the earth's?

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        The key is to recognise that the attractive pull of Gravity is really the net force created by Gravitational Matter fields, Interactive Electric fields and Perturbative Magnetic fields and that these forces are all distinctly different both in strength and geometry from the Matter that creates then.

        In short the force between all material bodies [Matter] on any scale are the result of 3 distinct force field interactions that Science has mistaken for the single attractive force of Gravity [time for this to be corrected].

        Geometrically the EM fields are equilateral fields and greatest when objects are closest to Matter while Gravitational fields are a radial inverse square force.

        Additionally all Matter is comprised of charged fields and subject to charge field interactions according to the distribution of Matter within the objects.

        Even quantum scale electrons [much smaller in scale to us than the moon to the Earth] can produce macroscopic EM fields of considerable effect when they are accelerated.

        All our physical measurements are based on a unit of time [seconds] and this forces our measured GEM fields to be all of the same dimensions [ie 1sec = c^2 & sec^2 = c^4]. So the Earth's GEM field has the same dimensions as the moon's [and the same dimensions as the SUN's] but they differ in strength and intrinsic quantum field vector geometries [G vs E vs M] but to fit in my illustrations I had to rescale them as noted on the pages.

        These points are what makes modelling the full interactions so difficult but historically the way around that is to model the resultant motion we can observe between Material bodies [and that we call Newtonian Gravity] but it fails when we get more accurate data from flybys closer to the material bodies as their EM interactions create additional forces, other than that described by a convergent only Gravity field [that we call General Relativity] which in turn needs modification to explain flyby data.

        Finally, I agree with the differing compositions of the Earth and moon but that is the result of the creative processes and mechanics that formed them [and to date outside of the scope of Tetryonics as it deals with the geometric-mechanics of mass-ENERGY-Matter in motion]

        Hope this helps.

        I'm happy that you agree that the earth and moon must have vastly different internal compositions to account for the moon's influence on satellite earth flybys at such a long distance away.

        I think we need a third party to assess our conclusions so far. I'll request Brendan take a look at this potentially groundbreaking discovery.

        Cheers for now,

        Alan

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        Alan,

        I suggest it would be more appropriate to say that flybys are affected by the 3 quantum interaction fields of the Earth proportional to the crafts' distance from the Earth during Flybys [with the moon contributing as well via its GE fields]

        GR tries to account for the fields by defining all Energy in the Stress-Energy tensor [Tab] as gravitational when in fact there exists interactive E-fields and perturbation M-fields at the quantum level of all Gravitational fields between Matter.

        Hence GR's 8piG vs Newtonian 4piG. (remember Gravitational-shifting of EM waves is a SR measurement of E-field component of nett G-field).

        Look forward to Brendan's input on the topic [particularly as Tetryonics can also explain QM, QED & Q-Chemistry mysteries as well - got to add weight to the argument for Equilateral Energy].

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        Very soon, the Quantum Gravity eBook will be publicly released bringing to conclusion the major re-working of the foundations of classical, quantum and relativistic physics on a new truly unified foundation from which we can forge a better understanding the mechanics of our Universe and develop a better relationship with its Creator.

        But it won't end there - already behind the scenes I have begun developing a 5th Book - Tetryonic Solutions - highlighting the advances derivable directly from theory that Tetryonics can provide us now [using our current technology] in meeting the current demands of Humanity in the 21st century.

        It will overview all aspects of Tetryonic geometry as it applies to our current Math of physics and provide a new geometric foundation for physical Mathematics that can be taught from the earliest stages of schooling.

        Excitingly, it will reveal new sources of clean, limitless Energy derived directly from Tetryonic theory, along with its safe generation, storage and distribution for people and industry anywhere on the Planet.

        And finally, a way will be revealed to rid our world of harmful radioactive & biological wastes once and for all, cleaning-up degraded land and waterways; restoring our world to its pre-industrial splendour for all future generations.

        The promise of a better world with clean, limitless Energy, unlimited resources, astounding medical advances and new forms of communication and transport is now at hand as promised in the closing statement of my essay.

        I am only one person revealing the geometric mechanics underlying the true physics of the Universe we live in - I look forward with great anticipation to the wonders we can achieve when scientists and engineers worldwide start applying this understanding to their fields of expertise and strive to make the World a better place.Attachment #1: massENERGYMatter_in_motion_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: A_Gift_to_Humanity_and_the_Planet_800x600.jpg

        :)After hundreds of years of dedicated research why do we not have a quantum mechanical model of sub-atomic particles and forces that explains all their observed properties and interactions?

        because my theory was not still there, but now the big gut toe is found.....from a small humble Spherical Jedi from Belgium speaking french of 37 years old.

        :) one day we shall see the truth and all wa shall say, oh my god, but how it was possible that we have not seen that before.....

        QUANTUM SPHERES.........COSMOLOGICAL SPHERES.........UNIVERSAL SPHERE AND ITS CENTRAL SPHERE.

        It was so simple that that. eureka so .

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          Steve,

          Very well you may talk about spheres but that just reflects the point that you are following the herd and refusing to see what is before your very eyes.

          Equilateral energies form the Universe we inhabit - Equilateral mass-Energies and Tetrahedral Matter [see attached].

          On my YouTube channel I offer you detailed explanations for QM, QED, Q-Chemistry and Quantum Gravity for your consideration [all united under Tetryonics] - something 300 years of spherical geometry has failed to achieve.

          I trust with time you will open your mind to the answers it provides and see spheres for the what they really are [a macroscopic construct resulting from the quantum tessellation of equilateral energies]Attachment #1: Tetryonic_theory_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: 2_EM__massENERGYMatter_800x600.jpg

          I know that it is well, thanks. You know Abraham, don't be too much jealous and envious, you know it is not serious if a young belgian has found. The jealousy and the vanity you know are not the good partners for correct universal extrapolation, but it is just a suggestion of course.Don't be touched, I just explain how I see. I don't need to read your publications, fqxi is sufficcient to show me that you are just not foundamental and general. Probably the syndrom of the searcher.

          Insert my equations and my theory of spherization, you shall be better, you shall see.

          Regards thinker of tetryonics. And forget a little your strings and chains and think by yourself ina pure spherical road.

          the spherical Jedi.

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            Steve,

            I note the tone of your comments and question why you didn't enter an essay outlining the full details of your spherical theory to let others comment on your work [and let it speak for itself]

            We all appreciate a new way of interpreting the physics we know.

            Perhaps you should read the publications you comment on - so you may make better informed comments [Tetryonics has nothing to do with strings].Attachment #1: 1_massENERGYMatter_in_motion_800x600.jpg

            Mr Abraham,

            Why I should make this contest or why I should publish ?

            It is indeed a good question. In fact I don't know, perhaps that it is not important for me the competition.Or perhaps that I have difficulties to focus on topics.Or perhaps that I have difficulties to resume the generality.Or perhaps I have too much things to pubklish, so I don't know how I must do.Or perhaps that I need a team to help me.Or perhaps thatI lmike to see the copycats.Or perhaps I like to learn on this platfrom. Or perhaps for me that the only one importance is the sharing in a total transparence.Or perhaps I am too much occupied with my equations also and its derivations in my head.Or perhaps I smoke too much.Or perhaps my meds are too much strong.Or perhaps I need to find a girlfreind.Or perhaps I need to be less parno.Or perhaps that I need to find a job.Or perhaps that the number is finite for the uniqueness :)

            Spherically yours, they turn so they are.:)

            The spherical Jedi.

            Ahahah yes of course, a small string perhaps in a compactification of pure reductionism in 11 dimension with a bridge in 7 to 8 and 12 after, of course.And also the 2d M theory is convergent with the pi extrapolation for the equivalence peinciple between mass/E. and what after ?

            a beer from Belgium and our planet are tetryon, and our stra also, our eyes are teryonical mass energy brane.And also the brains are not spherical and also a water drop is not a sphere, our universal sphere is ion a tetryonic superimposing of dimensionalities.because the fractal of spaces in a pure numerical way is entropical.Of course also, the mass is not proportional with rotating spheres because the tetryonisation of extradimensions are ina pure Pauli principle. Now of course the rotations are not important and the angles also are not important.The tetryon is the answer and the favorate sports of humans are not with spheres.Of course the arrogance is not important inside the sciences community and the humility is in the extradimensionalities of complexs numbers.of course the BH are not spheres but tetryons and our particules elemenatry also are not spheres.The flowers them are tetryons of Entropy.And the primes are in a parallelization of primes.Now of course the sphericality is on the road again ...and the tetryonix is a mTheorization of branes of diemsnionalities.Of course .Equilateral energies , and what after they do not turn also?

            ps you do not explain the gravity, me yes ! with humility of course.

            Regards :) let's play like children, innocent and arrogant.

            That said, I see on net that you want save the world.Me also, it is well, we have the syndrom of the savor, let's collaborate so.

            1 composting at Big Scale, WE MUST REBUILD THE SOILS !!!are you ok ?

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            Steve,

            With all humility, I think the World should save itself, all I offer is the tools to do so.

            Gravity is covered [see attached] but just not released yet. To that end Tetryonics reveals Gravity to be 3-fold quantum GEM [convergent/interactive/perturbative] forces that have been modelled mathematically, from physical observations, as a single nett convergent force.

            Once QG is revealed the true mechanics of 'fusion' can be replicated and all radioactive wastes and contaminated soils etc. can be turn into pure energy and recycled back into useful elements [as per Tetryonic Chemistry] as you agree.

            But no Strings or Black holes or Time Travel [at all] even Pi is just Pi radians of equilateral geometries, of course many will seek to see their own theories in the work I have done after all how many times have scientists proclaimed "but we knew that all the time" after a discovery was made.

            Finally, I would rather the World benefited from my work than to be personally recognised for it [hence why it is all on the net for all to see].Attachment #1: Figure_70.12__Tetryonic_GEM_fields_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: 2_massENERGYMatter_in_motion_800x600.jpg