Essay Abstract

The most fundamental error in physics is the ancient idea of atomism. This essay demonstrates why this so, considers aspects of the research program to exorcise atomism from physics, and examines the benefits of physics without atomism.

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I received a Bachelors degree in Engineering Physics (UBC, 1980). I worked for roughly 2 years as a physicist (Research Associate, UBC). In 1982, I changed directions to work as an electrical engineer, first designing telecom IC's, then managing design programs, and later in business development. In 1999, I co-founded a venture telecom company, which was sold in 2005. After a period working on other start-up ventures, I decided in 2009 to return to the independent study of physics.

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Mark

Enjoyable, but can we really exist without the ancient atoms? I agree, even with your suggested unpopular formulation, as my own essay reveals, as it has impeccable logic once free of 'belief'.

I loved both your style and content. I have proposed Boscovich's 'spheres of influence' around mass extends to limits of other sphere's and equivalence to Einstein's 'matter is spatially extended.' The space belongs to the nearest /dominant system of matter, and is bounded by the means to implement the effects we attribute to GR SR and QM. My own essay explains, kinetically, and I hope you may read and comment.

Vladimir Tamari may suggest demolishing the whole structure from foundation up, and he has a point. The Shard proved we can rebuild both up and down at the same time, so this is my own choice.

My previous essay also described what you term as; "two boundary conditions imposed on the field by emission and absorption events, which create a

quantization of the field between them." Tjhis is at the hart of my essay, and the definition of a real physical local and mutually exclusive (shock!) inertial frames. Again Boscovich first found no two entities can occupy the same space. I find simply that no one entity can be assigned two states of motion.

Astonishingly I believe application of this gives the unification you precisely identify. Please do comment on the mechanism I describe.

Excellent essay. I was honoured to read it first. I feared the baby was leaving with the bathwater, but it did not slip your firm grasp.

Best of luck.

Peter

    Mark,

    A new foundation is definitely needed. One of my mentors, now deceased, a Prof Emeritus of Electrical Engineering, stated, "We are all a specialized form of energy."

    Your final sentence in section 4, "It really does not seem possible to unify quantum theory with gravity until quantum theory is much more coherent and indeed to some degree more "classicized", and a real monist field theory offers the possibility of progress on both fronts."

    A couple of gentleman "classicized" gravity in papers they prepared in 2004. One paper was titled, "Electrifying Gravity", the other, which was prepared in parallel, "Newton's Gravitation Constant G as a Quantum Coupling Constant".

    Electrifying Gravity

    Newton's Quantum Coupling Constant

    My essay, 1294, is much mathematically simpler than the above papers, it identifying a methodology that allows the sizes of two geometric structures to be mutually defined without needing to specify even one size ahead of time.

    However, a paper that I considered not yet in a form suitable for this essay contest, contains the descriptions of an electromagnetic field structure that accounts for all the characteristics of gravity. I like the term "classicized", as my paper titled, "The helical structure of the electromagnetic gravity field", relies solely on classical physics.

    Helical EM Gravity Field

    I do not expect those that are dependent upon their livelihoods to abandon the current curved space-time gravity paradigm, but the above links provide seed ideas for a new foundation that can influence new generations of scientists.

      Peter,

      Your comments are very generous. Thanks very much.

      Yes, I do think we can get by without the ancient idea of atoms, and not only atoms, but the related idea of a space which exists without anything in it. Furthermore, as I argued in the essay, I think we might well make a good bit of progress without the idea.

      You asked a question regarding your own proposal, and while I know that a short essay cannot capture the full extent of a theory, I will try to offer a few thoughts. The essence of your proposal, if I read it correctly, is that the speed of light is not constant, but is still always observed to be constant in any reference frame, based on a mechanism which you sketch. I can see two concerns. First, constancy of wave speed in linear and isotropic media seems to be a perfectly natural phenomena, so a constant speed of light seems like a pretty reasonable proposition and actually seems to be the simplest possible assumption, so I am not immediately convinced of the necessity to make any more complex assumptions. The next issue I can see is that your theory may not ever be falsifiable and might not make new predictions that are not obtainable with existing theory. Or course, given the essay topic, all of the essays are highly speculative and focus on possibilities of an idea rather than its problems, and so all of the essays (including my own) suffer from the same issue to a fairly high degree. I guess it is incumbent on any of us who propose ideas to try to suggest why the idea might be wrong, rather than why it might be right (although I admit we probably won't go overboard with suggestions why the idea is wrong within the context of an essay contest). So, while your idea is obviously possible, I can't really make a comment on the exact mechanism you propose without a clearer mathematical background or without some suggestion as to the ways in which this theory might eventually differ from conventional theory. Sorry if that doesn't answer your question, but that's the best I can do on a first read.

      Thanks again for your kind comments, and good luck to you in the contest and in your work, Mark

      Frank,

      Thanks for your comments. I will have a look at the works you suggest.

      However, I must disagree with a suggestion in the last paragraph of your post. As I said in may essay, I think that physicists, including both professionals and amateurs, are wonderfully open to new ideas. Really, I think that physicists are perhaps the group of people most open to unconventional ideas and this essay topic and the range of contributions to the contest is a testament to that openness.

      Thanks again and good luck, Mark

      I wholeheartedly agree that atomism is a deeply problematic assumption. However, I'd argue that your conclusions don't go far enough. In my essay (topic/1286) I argue that it isn't just atoms, but objects altogether that need to be expunged from the fundamental picture. This includes fields and waves, which become emergent along with atoms in an "it from bit" world.

      I fear that atomism is so deeply ingrained, a true it-from-bit picture (totally free of fundamental objects) is extremely hard to wrap one's brain around. But in the end it may be the one that ultimately triumphs.

        Mark

        You manage to assimilate the kinetic relationships proposed well, unlike most it seems. Thank you. I address your 'concerns';

        1. "constancy of wave speed in linear and isotropic media seems to be a perfectly natural phenomena, so a constant speed of light seems like a pretty reasonable proposition."

        Agreed entirely. The 'frame boundary' conditions we discuss are all anisotropic, i.e. at the dense (ion) shocks around magnetospheres, and at refractive planes (inc. surfaces of ALL lenses). Obviously a different assumption is then required.

        2. "The next issue I can see is that your theory may not ever be falsifiable and might not make new predictions that are not obtainable with existing theory."

        Again a very fair point. Luckily it seems to be about the most eminently falsifiable theory that ever existed! I've just posted a long response on this on Robert Oldershaws essay blog so I hope you can pop over and read it.

        Take for instance the kinetic reverse refraction (KRR) I discuss in the essay. this is unexplainable under current theory, but predicted precisely by the DFM, which is the only way to recover Snels law, otherwise violated by KRR. It is resolved because light changes speed by two independent factors; 1. By n to c/n for any static medium, and by relative v to c/n (Kinetically) to account for any media co-motion. The KRR is what shows up the kinetic element - so is apparent as local c when viewed by an observer at rest in the new medium frame. The Kerr effects (SMOKE etc) also at last emerge consistently.

        I could go on ad infinitum, but do pick a topic to see what emerges. And check out the maths in the end notes. (lambda changes on the transform, not the wave function or any notional 'partial time derivative').

        Checking out and better interpreting shock magnetohydrodynamic turbulence is also an eye opener.

        Do ask any more questions or raise doubts. (A slower re-read of the essay seems essential).

        Thanks

        Peter

        Dear Mark,

        Your essay is very interesting and I think Parmenides ideas could drive actual theoretical innovations.

        ''The concept of atomism entered physics nearly 2500 years ago, when physics was really only protophysics [1]. Atomism rests on the dual planks of matter and space, and is very simply summarized as the idea that there exist indivisible particles of matter (atoms) separated by, and moving in, the void (space). In the atomist program, matter and space both exist, each cannot exist without the other, and both are separate and distinct.''

        These old ideas had a proeminent role in the absolute vs relative debate about the nature of motion (see Barbour´s ''The discovery of dynamics'') and thus still have a big impact in physics and in our intuitive world view. I think the idea of having a distinct ''first metaphysical assumption'' may produce new physics, as I argue in my essay Absolute or Relative Motion...Or Something Else?.

        However, I disagree when you say Parmenides quote is undeniable:

        "Parmenides stated his opposition to the central idea that matter and space exist and are distinct, and the nature of his argument against atomism exposes the first ontological problem of physics. He asserts that the void does not exist, since it does not make sense to say that nothing is something: "It needs must be that what can be thought and spoken of is; for it is possible for it to be, and it is not possible for what is nothing to be."

        The essence of his argument can be restated as "That which is, is. That which is not, is not." Phrased in this way, this is a logical tour de force - stark, beautiful, and unforgiving. Who would wish to defend the counter-propositions of "That which is not, is" or "That which is, is not" on any sort of logical grounds? The counter-propositions are in fact utterly indefensible and are all too easily mocked. We really have no choice but to accept Parmenides assertion that the void ("that which is not") does not exist."

        I find this rather vague, and can´t see why the denial of atomism is a question of logical necessity. However, the idea of abandoning atomism (and background space with it) from the start could render a radically different mathematical structure to physics, and thus drive new theoretical paths.

        Dear Mark Feeley,

        This is the clearest essay about the science of physics I have ever read. As I have pointed out in my essay Sequence Consequence, it is physically impossible for real identical or imaginary concepts of objects to ever exist. I think the problem with atomism, (or fundamental particles or waves) is that they can only be graphically depicted as being seemingly identical, or by use of a repeatable identical mathematical symbol. In the one real Universe that is occurring once in one real dimension, real opposite states attract once, real similar states abide eternally, and real states on the point of becoming identical, after first exchanging most of their constituencies, merge into a new real state that has never existed before.

          Karl,

          Thanks very much for reading and commenting.

          It would probably take at least another complete essay to argue against an entirely "it from bit" picture, so I can't really do the discussion justice, but I'll try nevertheless.

          I certainly agree that information theory has a role to play in any new unified theory. Indeed, as I argue in the essay, in any theory where we admit we have less then perfect knowledge of the state, information theory actually must play a role. This is true whether that limited knowledge is due to the classical uncertainty in initial conditions on dice throws, the more metaphysical uncertainty offered by the Copenhagen interpretation, or as a result of impossibility of knowing the full state of field of infinite extent as I suggest. However, I think we can take "it from bit" seriously without taking it to excess. I would suggest that an entirely informational viewpoint becomes unavoidably solipsist. Solipsism may well be valid, but "solipsist physicist" is probably an oxymoron, so it is probably fair to avoid it for now if we can. I also am not convinced that objects are necessarily emergent from information theory: you may give me a stream of numbers from 1 to 6, and I may construct a predictive theory using information theory principles, but I contend that dice will not be emergent, any more than roulette wheels would be. I do not agree that a "thing", whether object or field, is equivalent to the set of information about that thing.

          I do indeed take as an assumption that there is an objective reality, and I do suggest a basis for best describing that objective reality in the essay. However, I also discuss why we cannot have perfect knowledge of that objective reality in the model I propose, and thus I suggest a reconstructed theory in which we have both epistemic (subjective) and ontic (objective) layers. I argue in the essay that we must be absolutely clear on the epistemic/ontic boundary in any reconstructed theory, and I argue that reconstructing the objective mechanics on non-atomist and purely field-based lines will produce a better quantum ontology and better hope for the unification of quantum theory with gravity.

          Thanks for the interesting discussion and thanks again for reading.

          Mark

          Clearly, the abstract mathematical symbols 1 and 0 are opposite in nature and therefore attractive to contemplate. Indubitably, the symbolic mathematical symbols 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9 are sufficiently similar for them to abide. Unlike events in the real Universe that are always unique and new, mathematicians insist that all of the symbolic numbers are identical in value and appearance. Because of this logical misrepresentation, mathematicians cannot calculate the duration of real now and the extent of real here.

          Mark,

          I also thank you for presenting a logically deep argument, without resorting to mathematical shorthand, of which some of us are less than proficient.

          While I agree atomism is conceptually limited, though in line with historical western object oriented assumptions, I wouldn't go so far as to do away with space and have problems with monism.

          Space does provide us with the foundational conceptual parameters of absolute(inertia) and infinite. While we tend to prefer something physical to hang our hats on, that may be bias, but I'll try explaining myself better.

          The logical conundrum of monism is that if we truly have one universal, indivisible state, then it would be neutral and thus zero, not one. In order to have this field express something, there has to be some inherent dichotomy; positive/negative, expansion/contraction, mass/energy, up/down, on/off, yes/no, conservative/liberal, etc. This then is dualism, of the Taoist variety, not monism.

          In my entry, I make the argument that we are looking at time backward. It isn't the present moving along from past to future, which physics re-enforces by treating it as a measure from one event to the next, but is an emergent effect of action. That the changing configuration of what is, turns future into past. The earth doesn't travel the fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow. Tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth rotates.

          Duration is not a dimension external to the present moment, but is the state of the present between measured events.

          When we try to impose an external, past to future timeline on action we go from a determined past to a probabilistic future and the result is multiworlds. The future is not deterministic because while the causal mechanism may be completely deterministic, the input cannot be known, as the lightcone of any event is not complete until the occurrence of the event.

          This makes time an effect of action, similar to temperature. In fact, if we change the level of activity, as gravity and velocity do to quantum behavior, this affects the rate of change. Though rather than an accelerated clock rate causing the frame to move into the future quicker, it causes it to move into the past quicker, since it ages faster.

          Which leaves just space as the background to action, not spacetime. Lacking any physical properties, space cannot be bent, or bound, thus it is both inert and infinite. Proof of inertia is centrifugal force, which is not due to the existence of some outside reference to determine spin, but only relates the spinning frame to an inertial state. Given that C is the speed at which all mass is converted to momentum, it would seem to be relative to this inertial state, since spacetime is only correlation of distance and duration, not a causal property.

          The apparent cosmic expansion of space and contraction of gravitational spatial geometry are in inverse proportion, resulting in an overall flat space. The simplest explanation is some form of cosmic convection cycle of expanding energy and contracting mass. Light, then, on leaving its source, would expand like a gas and not remain a point particle. The absorption of light by mass is a multispectrum sample of this field, not a particular photon. So redshift is as much a property of light, as gravity is of mass, not a doppler effect of a receding source. I suspect gravity is not so much just a property of mass, but an effect of radiant energy condensing into and being absorbed by mass and lighter mass becoming more dense. When mass releases energy, it creates pressure, so logically the opposite process of energy condensing into mass would create a vacuum. The reason gravity waves cannot be detected is because we are looking in the wrong place. The energy released by fusion is light. Light is the gravity wave.

          This then is two sides of a dualistic cycle.

          While the present goes from past events to future ones and the events go from future to past, the underlaying dynamic is energy creating and consuming structure. The energy is what is present. Being dynamic, it is constantly changing form, thus creating and dissolving information. So energy goes past to future, while information goes future to past. Our bodies and brains, being physically extant, go past to future(while living), while our minds, as information processors, record these events streaming away into the past. Because energy is conserved, information is not. Even the destruction of information is information.

          While the measure of time is a regular cycle, the effect of time is irregular action, otherwise there would be no arrow, just a constant repetition.

          Mark,

          Great essay! There are quite a few essays on here that have much in common. Have you read CM Hahn's essay? I very much agree with most of your essay, but I would point out an exception.

          In 4.1.General relativity without atomism, you state "Interestingly, despite Einstein's inherent atomist bent, general relativity is not fundamentally an atomist theory and really needs no adaptation in order to remove atomism." which I would disagree with. The energy momentum tensor Tuv is based off of "particles" making up a perfect fluid. Thus one links Guv=Tuv with particles, however the cosmological constant magnitude is linked to quantum field theory and there is no mainstream way to make these two compatible. (Please check my essay to view how I think this can be accomplished) What I would state is more correct is to say that Riemannian geometry is not an atomist theory and really needs to adaptation.

          Regards,

          Jeff Baugher

          Mark, thank you for the thoughtful reply. I just think that a world made of separate epistemic and ontic layers, like a world made up of atoms (or of advancing and retarded waves or what have you), is too complicated a fundamental description than it needs to be to account for observations. That is the key, I believe: What is the *simplest-case description* that can effectively account for observations and make the most useful predictions? I would bet that it isn't atoms, and it isn't dualism etc., but something that seems far more radical to our object-oriented tastes. I would also argue that just because a physical theory may share superficial traits with a vaguely developed and unsuccessful metaphysics of centuries past -- solipsism -- such resemblance should not, in and of itself, warrant its outright dismissal. (There has been some discussion regarding the solipsism question on my essay page.) Best of luck in the competition.

          Dear Mark,

          A very good essay.

          "we should require a field theory wherein the field is all that exists and wherein the field should define anything that we might call space rather than reside in a pre-existing space - a background independent field theory"

          As we live in material world and matter is the only substance we know, I would like to add that the proposed field is formed by matter. A real material field (with definite form, structure and ability to act), filling space in its entirety can substitute for currently-used functional space (without form or structure but with ability to act).

          Thanks,

          Nainan

            Mark,

            Yes, the twin pillars GR and QM remain un-united as one or both are not true representations of nature. 聽You recognised that (and you have the courage to make very powerful statements) to criticise, in general, the ideas that emerge from the mainstream.

            I look upon your "physics without atomism" as an abstract placeholder for "physics with alternate explanation" and not as a physical world without atoms. This way, your essay becomes a valuable contribution. I just hope the others see it this way too.

            Regards and good luck

            Anton @ ( 聽/topic/1458 聽)