If you do not understand why your rating dropped down. As I found ratings in the contest are calculated in the next way. Suppose your rating is [math]R_1 [/math] and [math]N_1 [/math] was the quantity of people which gave you ratings. Then you have [math]S_1=R_1 N_1 [/math] of points. After it anyone give you [math]dS [/math] of points so you have [math]S_2=S_1+ dS [/math] of points and [math]N_2=N_1+1 [/math] is the common quantity of the people which gave you ratings. At the same time you will have [math]S_2=R_2 N_2 [/math] of points. From here, if you want to be R2 > R1 there must be: [math]S_2/ N_2>S_1/ N_1 [/math] or [math] (S_1+ dS) / (N_1+1) >S_1/ N_1 [/math] or [math] dS >S_1/ N_1 =R_1[/math] In other words if you want to increase rating of anyone you must give him more points [math]dS [/math] then the participant`s rating [math]R_1 [/math] was at the moment you rated him. From here it is seen that in the contest are special rules for ratings. And from here there are misunderstanding of some participants what is happened with their ratings. Moreover since community ratings are hided some participants do not sure how increase ratings of others and gives them maximum 10 points. But in the case the scale from 1 to 10 of points do not work, and some essays are overestimated and some essays are drop down. In my opinion it is a bad problem with this Contest rating process. I hope the FQXI community will change the rating process.

Sergey Fedosin

    Hello Sergey - yeah, the ratings ... with almost 300 submissions I estimate that any community vote will favor known authors or known topics, or both. This is not out of boredom or disinterest or dishonesty of the voters; but stems from mere statistics when overwhelming a decision engine with too many choices to evaluate. Forced to employ some kind of efficiency scheme, the likely pattern of an interested reader (and voter) would be to review topics that sound the most interesting - which in turn include a disproportional amount of known authors and topics. I projected that if I were to ring the advertising bell really loud here and attempt to create more visibility, people would still not really have the time to read and evaluate the essay - instead, we would receive a well-meaning "7" at best, which would give us no chance of reaching the top 12% (to arrive in the first 35 essays that are planned to be considered for an ordinary prize). But all of that is OK - for one there's always the off-chance for a special commendation prize. But much more so, we are very satisfied to have communicated our research vision to the few people who we wanted to reach. Small group work has been my preference always, which makes this essay contest so valuable: For one we reached the handful of people who expressed interest in our work; and for the other we reach the other handful who might be interested but isn't quite keen to show face yet. Imagine you're working on something as remote as we are, and there are 10 people who actually care! To me, that is a big achievement. Best wishes, Jens

    Dear Jens and John,

    What a lot of profound topics you weave into your story! The following thoughts come to mind:

    1. I guess the "loss of information" involved in addition is a very general aspect of "noninvertible morphisms;" for example, maps that aren't injective (one-to-one). It's interesting to regard this as a foundational problem and a viewpoint I hadn't considered in this explicit way! After all, the superposition principle is an example of this, and superposition occurs even for classical waves. But your analysis goes much deeper than this...

    2. For the logarithm function (and other similar functions), the usual way of dealing with this in complex analysis is of course to use Riemann surfaces; this was one of the ways in which such objects were first introduced. These play a striking role already in quantum information theory, but this seems like a new possible application.

    3. The suggestion of introducing internal structure (in this case for purposes of distinguishability) is embodied in a cutting-edge area of abstract algebra that hasn't yet been properly applied to physics. This is the theory of "categorification," in which elements are elevated to objects; for instance, lattices. I have written about this near the end of my essay here; it might interest you.

    4. This specific use of root systems of exceptional Lie groups is something I have not seen before. It's a good idea, regardless of its ultimate scope of applicability.

    Yours is one of the few submissions that earns a solid "10" from me. Thanks for the great read! Take care,

    Ben Dribus

    P.S., Regarding your previous comment, I'm sorry you didn't "evangelize" more actively... your title didn't stand out to me, and I read your essay only because I read them all. Hence, you nearly missed out on a thoroughly deserved top rating. Yours is about the 245th I've read, and it's one of the best in the contest.

      Dear Benjamin - I'm humbled by your note. Sorry for not replying earlier, I was out of town with my family. Just to let you know, I came across your essay on 30 August, loved it as well, told John about it, and gave it the top rating as well - whew :) You should have good chances of winning a prize, and hopefully you earn FQXi membership! I do have a question regarding your causal metric hypothesis, but let me first respond to your note.

      Regarding Riemann surfaces, as you know of course they work great when modelling physical systems where the configuration space is locally Euclidean. Physicists also believe they're great for locally pseudo-Euclidean spaces; all conventional description of fundamental physical law is built on such after all. When using lattices as configuration space, in contrast, we need new mathematical tools to do analysis: Lattices are made from countably infinite objects, and when comparing lattices against one another you need to embed them into some kind of encompassing space. Taking the E8 lattice, a natural embedding would be the eight dimensional Euclidean space over the reals, R8, and you could then shift and rotate instances of such lattice against one another in R8 and do math. You know all of that, of course, I am just summarizing. The whole thought on lattices came last year when I began studying a mathematical concept developed by Prof Mark Burgin (UCLA), which he calls "hypernumbers and extrafunctions". He generalizes the concept of "number" to infinite sequences, and defines rules for comparison, arithmetic, differentiation, and integration. Using his concept, I played with making an exponential function where "1 ^ (1/n)" would have all those "n" points on the unit circle as their solution set where the point taken to its "n-th" power would be 1. Such solution set of "n" points should, in turn, be a single "number". Burgin's hypernumbers do the trick, since he allows alternating or even divergent sequences to be understood as a single number. The set of convergence points for the sequence is what he calls the "spectrum" of a number, and with that you can model a single number where the spectrum of "1 ^ (1/n)" indeed are a set of "n" points on the unit circle. The amazing result - to me at least - is that for "n --> infinity" the spectrum of "1 ^ (1/n)" becomes the topologically closed unit circle in the complexes!

      Currently I am writing a paper about this, but I am very slow in math so don't expect things to turn up quickly. All of the actual material is scattered out across my little online group (e.g. the 10th topic post, "Burgin 10", contains a summary http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypercomplex/message/1101 but also note the follow-ups with corrections ... I really do need to write this into a self-contained, intelligible paper, sorry for not having anything better at hand right now). Being able to make such a generalized exponentiation of an expression (a/b) ^ (c/d) where a, b, c, d are positive nonzero integers, this gave us a lot of hope since lattices in any finite dimension are made from countably infinite points as well; and Burgin sequences can always be enlarged by more (countably infinite) subsequences without leaving their realm. With that, Burgin hypernumbers appear powerful enough for modeling generalized octonionic arithmetic on the E8 lattice. That gave us the needed motivation that such a thing could even exist. So, here's what'll happen next: I do my homework and write a little paper on that, put it in the arXiv, contact Prof Burgin and other mathematicians for comment, and then go from there. Estimated time to completion: Whenever it's ready ... this is "open-source research" after all, contributors and claims of ownership welcome :)

      You mention "categorification", which is an interesting field in mathematics to be looked at for use in physics, as you wrote. John and I had looked at category theory a bit a couple of years ago, but found that it may not be a good fit. There is an associativity requirement on morphisms that seems too restrictive for what we want to do, and in turn when dropping associativity from categories you end up with even less mathematical structure. Categories are already so general, so wide in what all they could encompass; we didn't want to explore weakening its definitions even more. So we opted for working on specific examples of number systems, rather than attempting to understand what more general framework they would fall into. One of our works, "W space", can indeed be restated in compact form as a primitive 2-category. Here's a preprint version of our work: http://www.jenskoeplinger.com/P/PaperShusterKoepl_WSpace.pdf -- If we would describe it as a 2-category, then the paper would just be one page! So obviously, categories can be helpful. There was another reason for making such a chatty paper, namely that we connected to rather colorful prior research and felt we needed to spend the extra time to put things on sound feet first, by themselves. A second number system that we defined, "PQ space", cannot be described as a category ( http://www.jenskoeplinger.com/P/PaperShusterKoepl-PQSpace.pdf ) since the functor on the morphisms "" and "x" would not be associative. That ended our interest in category theory, for now at least.

      Regarding your causal metric hypothesis, let me think that through and then post on your essay thread. Thanks again for writing! And best wishes, Jens ( & John)

      a month later
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      Dear authors,

      While my conclusions are rather contrary to yours, I agree with you on that some fundamentals of mathematics may play a crucial role in physics. Please feel challenged to factually object to my arguments.

      The style of your essay reminds me of a book by Detlef Spalt: "Vom Mythos der Mathematischen Vernunft" Wiss. Buchgemeinschaft: Darmstadt 1987.

      May I ask you to comment on Spalt's opinions too?

      Eckard

        Dear Eckard, thank you for leaving your note, and for referring to your essay and the work of Spalt. I'll have a look. Of course, until proven right or wrong, everything is opinion. Best wishes, Jens

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