Israel,

There is a very basic reason I use the term energy. While lacking any other particularly exacting attributes, it is primarily described as being conserved. Even entropy only applies to useful energy in a closed set. Energy is not lost, unless it is actually radiated away from that container, rather any energy gradients within the container are lost, as it reaches a thermal medium. This also means temperature is not simply an average of molecular/atomic/etc. activity, but a local entropic end state, since these component entities are actually trading energy around to reach that median.

Now the concept of information is not something that can really be described as being conserved, even though it is inherently static and structured, except in some blocktime formulation. So if we are to use these concepts as the two halves of a dichotomy, they reflect each other quite well, with information as the defining form of energy and energy as the manifestation of information. So in order for new information to be created, as the energy, being dynamic, changes form, old information is erased. This is the solution to the "arrow of time." The sense of some eternal present, but a constantly changing and irreversible process, as the energy does not turn on itself.

I have to admit, I haven't been engaging m/any of the regulars. Given limited time resources and even more limited capacity to think through some very dense exposition, I've been mostly "exploring." Both new ideas and different interactions are not an opportunity to be passed on.

I'm sure I'll be by.

Regards,

John

Dear John,

Your essay to me has plenty substance although the shortness may hide this.

I take as your conclusion the statement that:

"So we exist as manifestations of this dichotomy of energy and information, as medium and message."

It rings a bell because as a Mass Communication student I studied Mashall Mcluhan's thesis: "The Medium is the Message". Now you aptly bring it to physics.

I can only say this statement is so brutally simple BUT even more brutally true.

What more? It could become the science!

My essay What a Wavefunction is actually elaborates on your thesis. Please do read my essay and let me have your honest comment (and rating). I will be back here to rate yours according as I have found high value.

Bests,

Chidi

    Typo!! The name is Marshall Mcluhan please. Just for your ref.

    Chidi

    Chidi,

    I did get into your essay and I will try it again. The problem I was having is that you use various ideas that are fraught with a lot of loaded meanings that might not be conveying what you mean them to say, to other people. I am probably like you, but a bit older and I found what I was looking for was just some very basic concepts to explain reality, without all the academic baggage.

    I think that eventually we will discover there is no such thing as a big bang cosmology and it is basically a convection cycle of radiation expanding out and falling/precipitating back down/into gravitational vortices as mass, then radiating out, or shot out the poles as cosmic rays and the cycle starts over again, eternally. That gravity is simply the vacuum effect created by this contraction of energy, much as when energy is released from mass, it creates pressure. Think atomic explosion. Radiant heat, etc. So there are a lot of concepts out there that have been created to fill the many gaps and when you try using them as stepping stones to further enlightenment, you have to be very careful they are not leading you off into the wilderness instead.

    Here is a blog post at FQXI, listing many of the recent observational problems for cosmology.

    Here is my entry in last year's, Questioning the Foundations contest, which further develops my point about time being an effect of action, thus eliminating "spacetime" as a causal property and that is the basis for an expanding universe. Suffice to say, this is a very controversial position, but then my income isn't dependent on the study of physics.

    Regards,

    John

    Dear John,

    Thank you for the two links you provided above. I will refer.

    With regard to my definition of terms you might find my exchange with Marcoen useful. Provided it does not unduly preempt your judgement.

    Regards,

    Chidi

    HI John

    Thanks for your reply. That's a good reason. In the current view mass is associated to material particles because it is assumed that space is not material. In such case, it is said that although mass is not conserved energy and momentum are. But if we assume that space is a continuous material substance we are then force to conclude that matter, and thus mass, is also conserved.

    With respect to information, to the best of my knowledge, the conservation of information is still a debate, that's the so called black hole information paradox. One can assume that information is not conserved and, as you say, it may solve the problem of the arrow of time, but that would imply that the laws of QM are wrong. This is the dilemma. I think we need to give a careful thought to this problem.

    Regards

    Israel

    Dear Merryman,

    You are right, physic was misguided by the late 80's.

    What you said about speed of light and time I calculate with same aproach.

    I wrote somewhere in my viXra article that I have no anything to say becouse a

    lot of people said it befor me. I only calculate.

    I also keep in minde the sentence of my Prof. Marian Cadezs, PhD

    In science, always talk affirmatively.

    Never say: /It is not rainy, rather, it is sunny/.

    So the theories that you mentioned in negative conotation, are the problem

    of their suporters not us.

    I also think that you are right about photon

    Sorry for poor translation

    Regards,

    Branko

      Brancho,

      I am horrible at calculation, so I mostly analyze. The problem with just calculation is that it is only bottom up and not top down. Epicycles are a product of only calculation and they were consequently quite accurate, but created confusion for the analysis. I think the same problem exists with spacetime. It is very accurate, but by treating time as only a measure to be calculated, but not considering how it is created, has caused much confusion.

      As thermodynamic processes create temperature and temperature is a measure of thermodynamic processes, change creates time and time is a measure of change.

      You are right that it will be their problem and it seems to be starting to occur to them, but they are not going to climb down willingly, only put more weight on the top until it all falls down.

      I'm fortunate to be born in an English speaking country, otherwise I'd never learn it as a second language, so don't worry about the translation on my part.

      Regards, John

      Hi John,

      I've read your essay, and I've given your essay a rating to stimulate further thinking. Here are some comments.

      1. On page 1, you wrote: "It is received wisdom to say the physical world is not intuitively accessible to a mind evolved for basic survival." Do you mean that intuition is not generally acknowledged as a source of knowledge? At least one philosopher, Spinoza, was a proponent of the idea that there is such a thing as intuitive knowledge. Maybe you should look into his work, he has written some interesting stuff!

      2. On page 1, you wrote: "combining multitudes of such bits of information cancels out detail, like colors running together." You make this statement in the context of knowledge. So do you mean that knowledge can be canceled out (erased)? Or do you mean something in the line of the following quote of Von Neumann: "man generally percieves the sum of many billions of elementary processes simultaneously, so that the levelling law of large numbers completely obscures the real nature of the individual processes"?

      Best regards,

      Marcoen

        Marcoen,

        I mean it in terms of the assumption within physics that physics is non-intuitive. I then go on to argue that intuition is not just some basic set of assumptions we are born with, but the cumulative knowledge from which we instinctively draw. This necessarily will be somewhat different for everyone, as we all have different knowledge bases, so in fact physicists draw from intuition, just they use their own set of assumptions.

        I meant that in the Von Neumann sense, but then elsewhere I also argue the first, in terms of the fact that in order to record information, the information the transcribing medium did contain is erased. This due to the energy being conserved, which means that not only is it saved, but more cannot be produced, so it has to be reused as a medium. This is what creates the asymmetric arrow of time, since the energy will not turn on itself.

        Both these points serve to show the different ways that information and knowledge are highly contextual and subjective. There is this essentially theological assumption that there must be some larger, objective state of information and knowledge, but I'm trying to show that objective knowledge is an oxymoron.

        Information is definition and to define is to limit. Unless you isolate, clarify, focus, distill, filter, etc. the input, you just get fuzziness, blurriness and white noise. All the colors, sounds, information, etc. just run together and in the Von Newmann sense, the information that is there, is not received.

        The point also is that those "individual processes" are no more, or less real, than the larger picture being viewed. It is simply a matter of selecting the particular focus one desires to extract information and definition from. Like a camera, you can take a wide angle shot of the larger view, or focus on a particular detail. What Von Newmann overlooks, is that you can focus on A individual process, but not all of them at once, which means you can really only focus on one, since the others will change, by the time you switch to looking at each one of those particular processes.

        Regards,

        John

        Thanks for the vote!

        Regards,

        John

        HI John

        It seems that a server was changed. We all had the same problem but it seems that it was solved.

        As for our discussion, according to quantum mechanics information must be conserved and according to thermodynamics is must be lost. The black hole paradox represents this case. That means that either themodynamics or quantum mechanics must be wrong. The issue has not been solved yet.

        With respect to energy, I think that its definition as fundamental entity is arbitrary, we just have agree.

        Anyway, nice talking to you.

        Regards

        Israel

        Israel,

        Quantum mechanics is platonic. Relativity is as well. Black holes are the result of modeling gravity as four dimensional geometry. The cosmological constant is likely just the light and other radiation escaping from actual gravity vortices. It just isn't included in the model, since light is always treated as a point particle, rather then as an expanding field, when released.

        Reductionism inherently overlooks a lot of what actually happens, which is necessary, but when you make it some sort of platonic belief system, it is difficult to go back and fill in the missing gaps, so the high priests have to make something up, like dark energy, etc.

        Oh well. The way culture works.

        Regards,

        John

        Dear John,

        We are at the end of this essay contest.

        In conclusion, at the question to know if Information is more fundamental than Matter, there is a good reason to answer that Matter is made of an amazing mixture of eInfo and eEnergy, at the same time.

        Matter is thus eInfo made with eEnergy rather than answer it is made with eEnergy and eInfo ; because eInfo is eEnergy, and the one does not go without the other one.

        eEnergy and eInfo are the two basic Principles of the eUniverse. Nothing can exist if it is not eEnergy, and any object is eInfo, and therefore eEnergy.

        And consequently our eReality is eInfo made with eEnergy. And the final verdict is : eReality is virtual, and virtuality is our fundamental eReality.

        Good luck to the winners,

        And see you soon, with good news on this topic, and the Theory of Everything.

        Amazigh H.

        I rated your essay.

        Please visit My essay.

        John,

        Final review and scoring now so yours going on to give you a bunk up. I hoped you'd got to reading mine but don't recall a post. I hope the desne abstract didn't pout you off. It did Georgina but she found the essay itself very readable.

        Many seem to agree it contains the "missing link" you identify, so I hope I can tempt you to read it before the deadline (if you haven't scored it yet) by pasting some blog comments; "groundbreaking", "clearly significant", "astonishing", "fantastic", "wonderful", "remarkable!", "superb", "deeply impressed", etc. I'm sure you'll love it but want your honest views.

        I hope you had a great time with your daughter in Scotland.

        Very best wishes

        Peter

        Dear John,

        I have now finished reviewing all 180 essays for the contest and appreciate your contribution to this competition.

        I have been thoroughly impressed at the breadth, depth and quality of the ideas represented in this contest. In true academic spirit, if you have not yet reviewed my essay, I invite you to do so and leave your comments.

        You can find the latest version of my essay here:

        http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/Borrill-TimeOne-V1.1a.pdf

        (sorry if the fqxi web site splits this url up, I haven't figured out a way to not make it do that).

        May the best essays win!

        Kind regards,

        Paul Borrill

        paul at borrill dot com

        Hi John,

        Sorry I didn't get back to you in order to carry on our discussion over the past couple of days that I've been back in town. If you're interested to pick that up again, we could keep going on this blog, and pick up with a new thread over on my page, or you could send me an email if you'd like and we could correspond that way. My email address is daryl.janzen@usask.ca.

        In any case, thanks a lot for engaging with me this past month, and keeping me to task on things that may get taken a bit too much for granted. As I recall, you had made some good points in your last post, so I'm glad to revisit the discussion from there if you're up for it.

        Best regards,

        Daryl

        Hi John,

        I have just commented on the "Essay Contest 2013: It From Bit, or Bit From It?" blog that I think your idea of a "two sides" "debate between mathematical platonism and physical realism" is a really good idea for the future i.e. a future FQXi contest.

        Also, thanks for your post to my essay blog re: free will. I disagree with what you say, but I will get back to later with more detail.

        Cheers,

        Lorraine