Essay Abstract

Why of all the number systems in use, binary systems dominate the information sector? What reality stands for? How virtual particles pop out and vanish in the so-called vacuum states? By which mechanism information (thought) pops out of memory in response to some external stimuli and vanishes again? What is an electron or a photon? What will happen if proton or neutron is used in the double slit experiment? Does Big bang imply ex-nihilo? What is nothingness? Is there an all encompassing background structure? Can energy be non-interacting (dark)? Here we try to harmonize the generalities of communication and concepts with temporal evolution and background structure of the Universe. Dark energy and the phenomenon of receding galaxies are also discussed. The first part dominates by generalities, the middle by information theory and the last part by physics.

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A retired Government Officer interested in harmonizing the generalities of the macro world with those of the micro world. We claim, there is macro equivalent for every micro phenomenon. There is no weird quantum world, but only weird ideas that need to be discarded. We discuss only the concepts leaving the detailed work out to the Engineers.

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Basudeba,

Tell us more about this statement:

"All experiments conducted to prove time dilation are defective.

Data from the first experiment available in US naval archives proves that it was fudged."

What supporting evidence or reference source can you cite?

Dear Sir,

Thank you for the response.

Hafele and Keating (1972) carried out experiments that purported to confirm the Theory of Special Relativity and Time Dilation. The evidence provided was derived from the differences in time recorded by cesium clocks transported in aero-planes. They were sent first Eastwards for 65.4 hours with 13 landings and take-offs. Then sent westwards for 80.3 hours with 15 landings and take-offs. The entire process took over 26 days. To minimize the effect of the Earth's magnetic field, the clocks were triple shielded. The clocks had serial numbers 120, 361, 408, and 447. The average of their time was used to lessen the effect of changes in individual drift patterns relative to the standard clock station at Washington DC. The time scales were selected by averaging 16 selected large cesium beam clocks. Clocks were replaced if their performance deteriorated. The standard deviation of the mean of the assembly was given as 2ns to 4ns when tested every 3 hours over several 5 day periods. In that station, the clocks were housed in six vaults, free from vibration, with controlled temperature and humidity, elaborate power supplies, vacuum systems and signal sources, and a fixed magnetic field. It has been established that the accuracy of small portable clocks is worse by a factor of 2 than large stationary clocks. The variations in the magnetic fields are among the influences that contribute to the inaccuracy of cesium clocks. The records of the US Naval Observatory (USNO) show the following results:

MovementOf clocks ClockNo.120 ClockNo.361 ClockNo.408 Clock No.447

Before Eastward test. -4.50 +2.66 -1.78 -7.16

During Eastward test. -4.39 +1.72 +5.00 -1.25

After Eastward test. -8.89 +4.38 +3.22 -8.41

Before Westward test. -8.88 +6.89 +4.84 -7.17

During Westward test. +4.31 -2.93 -2.68 -2.25

After Westward test. -4.56 +3.97 +2.16 -9.42

The individual portable clocks should have displayed a steady drift rate relative to the ground clock station and not the result shown above. These figures were used by Hafele and Keating in the test report published a month after the test. The report says: "Portable cesium clocks cannot be expected to perform as well under traveling conditions as they do in the laboratory. Our results show that changes as large as 120 nsec/day may occur during trips with clocks that have shown considerably better performance in the laboratory". Hafele himself has reported, "Most people (myself included) would be reluctant to agree that the time gained by any one of these clocks is indicative of anything" and "the difference between theory and measurement is disturbing". Yet, after 4 months, they submitted a paper for publication with altered figures and reversing their earlier report to prove the Special Theory of Relativity and Time Dilation right!

The first attempt by Hafele and Keating to bring the results closer to the theoretical forecasts was to take the average of the drift rates before and after a flight and assume that this average was the drift rate that applied through-out the flight. This is equivalent to assuming that one single sudden change in drift rate occurred midway. Such an assumption would have some credence had the alteration in drift rate been very small; e.g., a change from +3.34 to +3.35 ns/h, which would not significantly affect the end result. The actual drift rates either doubled or halved or reversed.

Some people believe that the above anomaly could be explained by examining how the GPS satellites stay synchronized. But this view is misleading. The GPS satellites are adjusted according to the Sagnac effect and Gravitational calculation proven by Pound-Rebka. The contribution of the Sagnac and Gravitational effects is completely dependent upon the orientation of the clocks in regard to their travel and Earth's gravity. Since the clocks were kept on passenger seats in commercial flights around the globe, they must have been oriented parallel to the surface of the Earth, so that Sagnac effect would be the primary concern, though there still will be a small gravitational effect due to the transversal Doppler effect. However, both of these effects do not require relativity and have nothing to do with time dilation. Thus it is not correct to infer that the atomic clock experiment has proved time dilation.

Further, the experiment was based on a third reference point called "proper time", which actually negates relativity out of the equation as it is analogous to adding a Universal reference frame. There is no room for a Universal reference frame in relativity, which is confined to the relationship between two inertial frames of reference. Adding a Universal reference frame of reference negates the very concept of relativity. Any argument of relativity that includes a third frame of reference other than the emitter and the detector is inferring a Universal reference frame.

Einstein uses a privileged frame of reference to define synchronization and then denies the existence of any privileged frame of reference. We quote from his 1905 paper on the definition of synchronization: "Let a ray of light start at the "A time" tA from A towards B, let it at the "B time" tB be reflected at B in the direction of A, and arrive again at A at the "A time" t'A. In accordance with definition the two clocks synchronize if: tB - tA = t'A - tB."

"We assume that this definition of synchronism is free from contradictions, and possible for any number of points; and that the following relations are universally valid:--

1. If the clock at B synchronizes with the clock at A, the clock at A synchronizes with the clock at B.

2. If the clock at A synchronizes with the clock at B and also with the clock at C, the clocks at B and C also synchronize with each other."

The concept of relativity is valid only between two objects. Introduction of a third object brings in the concept of privileged frame of reference and all equations of relativity fall. Yet, Einstein precisely does the same while claiming the very opposite. In the above description, the clock at A is treated as a privileged frame of reference for proving synchronization of the clocks at B and C. Yet, he claims it is relative!

In any case, all clocks use second, which is synchronized with reference to a privileged frame of reference: a subdivision of the time taken by Earth to go round the Sun. Thus, his concept is wrong ab initio. Mechanical malfunction cannot be called time dilation.

Regards,

basudeba

    Basudeba

    "All other unknown states are combined together and are called superposition of states"

    If any given state is unknown, how do you 'combine' it? Given that a state must be definitive, we just may or may not know it, what is the purpose of calculating all the alternatives to that state which could have occurred, but did not?

    "Hence there is an uncertainty inherent in it"

    Not so, existence cannot occur in an uncertain mode. The uncertainty is a reflection of our inability to discern precisely, at the existential level, what is happening.

    "In perception, the concept remains in a superposition of states and collapses in response to some stimuli."

    Perception is irrelevant to the physical circumstance. Everything alters as a function of stimuli, this is the very essence of cause and effect. But what occurred before that is not affected. And what occurred subsequently is not affected either, because it was not pre-existent. Any given stimuli just causes an effect, that effect being different from what would have otherwise occurred had there been a different stimuli, but there wasn't.

    "Hence something can be described both as a wave and a particle only at a point"

    So it cannot be described as a wave, because as you correctly point out, there are only discrete occurrences. By definition then, the concept of wave involves many different occurrences over time.

    "The passenger on the train will not notice any length contraction."

    If any given entity does alter in length as a function of its speed of travel, then it des so. Whether different people in different spatial relationships with this entity perceive that is irrelevant.

    I will stop at that stage, otherwise there will be too many comments.

    Paul

      Basudeba/Robert

      There is a much simpler way of answering the underlying point here. Time is not the timing devices, it is a conceptual constant rate of change. That is why devices are synchronised, ie they just 'tell' the time. Time cannot be altered, because it is a reflection of the rate at which change occurs. That could be altered, ie in different circumstances something might alter at a different rate.

      Basudeba has quoted enough from Einstein to demonstrate where his fault lay. It is with Poincare's incorrect concept of simultaneity. The clocks were already synchronised, otherwise they are useless. There is no need to translate the 'local time' to a 'common time'. Either things occurred at the same time, or they did not. The perception of that is irrelevant to that fact. What is relevant is the timing of the receipt of the light representing that occurrence. Which will be different depending on spatial relationships. But Einstein had no observers, because there was no observational light. Just a ray of light (later it was lightening), which was actually just a constant used to calibrate duration and distance. He could have used any constant. Declaring entities to be observers does not make them observers, unless they have light to observe with. Stating the second postulate is irrelevant if what then happens does not use it in the way defined. One only needs to read 1905 section 1, part 1 (Simultaneity) to realise that the concept of relativity in existence is incorrect. The relativity is in the receipt of light.

      Paul

      Dear Sir,

      You are right that the state is definitive and we just may or may not know it. But we can know after we perceive only after we get the result of measurement. Since measurement reports the state at a time t, which is already in the past by the time we perceive that state, and since all objects are evolving in time without our being explicitly conscious about their state, we cannot know the state at moments other than when the measurement was taken. Thus, all others states combined are referred to as superposition of states. To give one macro example, think of the waves in a sea beach striking the shore. Sometimes two opposing waves or the crest of one wave and the trough of the other wave interact and the sea becomes flat to form part of other waves. A moment before, those were two distinct waves. A moment after, those have merged without a trace. If we note the interim flat stage, with reference to that, the waves has gone into a superposition of all possible states, because we cannot locate those uniquely.

      You are right that existence cannot occur in an uncertain mode and that the uncertainty is a reflection of our inability to discern precisely, at the existential level, what is happening. But what is happening? It may not be what we logically expected. That gives rise to the uncertainty factor.

      You are right that perception is irrelevant to the physical circumstance and everything alters as a function of cause and effect. What occurred before or subsequently is not affected either, because it was not pre-existent as such. But as you agree on cause and effect, it must be seeded in the various causes that led to the present effect. Further, perception means some concept that was not before us, but stored in our memory to be retrieved after the stimulus. In both these instances, something that was not before us materializes. Thus, we said: "In perception, the concept remains in a superposition of states and collapses in response to some stimuli."

      Two axes intersect at the origin. Does it mean, because origin is a point, there are no x or y axis? Same thing with waves and particles. Waves are like the axes and origin is like particles.

      You are right that how different people in different spatial relationships with an entity perceive that entity is irrelevant to that entity's physical conditions. But if there is length contraction to the train, it must apply at the same proportion to the scale also. Thus, the person on the train will not measure any change. What the observer sees is immaterial.

      You are welcome to ask any number of questions. It will be a favor to us.

      Regards,

      basudeba

        Dear Sir,

        Thank you for the support. We are on the same wave-length.

        Regards,

        basudeba

        Dear Basudeba,

        Unlike the inappropriate comments you posted on my essay BITTERS, I found reading your essay quite an interesting experience. It would have been an even better read had you made use of the first person singular to expound your ideas.

        Each real blade of grass is unique once. By that statement I mean that the tint of green of any real blade of grass will always differ from every real blade of grass that has ever existed, presently exists, or that will ever exist anywhere in the Universe in the so-called future. Each real blade of grass is textured minutely differently than every other blade of grass is or was. And each real blade of grass will have a unique duration regardless of its location in a fertile lawn or whether it is located in a garbage dump.

        Everything in the real Universe can only be unique once. Humanly contrived abstract ideas, information and fabrications are supposedly repeatedly identical. Time neither dilates, conflates, nor exacerbates. Each instrumental measurement of time is just as unique once as each blade of grass is.

          Dear Sir,

          The very fact that we both agree on the salient features of this essay justifies the plurality and thus universality of knowledge and information.

          Thanks for your kind words,

          Regards,

          basudeba

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          Basudeba

          "we cannot know the state at moments other than when the measurement was taken. Thus, all others states combined are referred to as superposition of states".

          So according to what you have written, based on the establishment of a state, obviously at the time that investigation relates to, we can then calculate the probable succeeding and preceding states, or what? What are these other states? Physical existence occurs in one state at a time. And your analogy worries me because it is wrong. "If we note the interim flat stage, with reference to that, the waves has gone into a superposition of all possible states, because we cannot locate those uniquely". The waves have not gone into a 'superposition of all possible states'. The waves are in a sequence of cause and effect determined by the physics of the circumstance.

          "But what is happening? It may not be what we logically expected. That gives rise to the uncertainty factor"

          Yes, an uncertainty in our knowledge of, not what is existence.

          "Further, perception means some concept that was not before us, but stored in our memory to be retrieved after the stimulus"

          So what? This does not affect the physical circumstance, which has already occurred, it is one component of the process of creating a perception about what we think we physically received.

          "Waves are like the axes and origin is like particles"

          This was not my point. That being tha waves are inherently many different states, ie a sequence thereof, but people are referring to wave as it it were just one existent state.

          "But if there is length contraction to the train, it must apply at the same proportion to the scale also"

          If there is length alteration in relation to momentum, has it ever occurred to you that everything else travelling at that momentum will be equally altered? Or perhaps different matter types alter differently. In respect of relativity, length alteration is a 'red herring'. The thought from Lorentz (and Fitzgerald) that length alteration was an explanation of the M&M experiments just invoked a mind set that there was some form of 'relativity' in physical existence. In the end (ie 1905) that was not seen as a cause, but a consequence. All the explanations and mathematical expressions are the same as for the supposed effect on time. The cause was, correctly, identified as something to do with observation. But ironically, the variables were neither identified properly, nor was their relationship understood. So, in effect, whilst it was meant to say one thing, it actually said another. That is, it should have explained the relativity of the receipt of light, but it actually asserted a relativity in existence. What people say they are doing is one thing, it is what they actually do that matters. Asserting observers is of no consequence if there is no observational light to observe.

          Paul

          Hi Basudeba,

          One of the essay contest's goal is to discuss and obtain a counterpart comments. That includes a criticism. So am I waiting also for your comments.

          At the beginning I agree that we should start from the perception of reality to understand a physical reality essence. However your perception notion (similar to Hoffman's interface theory of perception) I would supplement with another crucial ingredient. E.g. from Albert Einstein we know that gravitation is not a force field but a manifestation of spacetime geometry (only our perception causes that gravitation seems to be a force). So not only H. Sapiens' means of detection but also our limitations (we perceive 3D space from 3D space where we live in) do not allow as to experience what we call reality. In my own publications I try to apply the very concept (idea of geometrodynamics and not GR) to the rest of known 'force fields' and to 'matter'. The problem for the observer still is to stay independent of the human being's perception and also of our language and culture (as you have noticed in your essay later on).

          It does not mean that I support Einstein in everything. E.g. his GR failed outside the Solar System distance scale and physicists try to solve the issue by means of dark energy and dark matter. However your statement that 'All experiments conducted to prove time dilation are defective' would be better to change into: 'the length contraction cannot be measured in the object's rest frame and direct experimental confirmations of that contraction are difficult to obtain by means of current technology'. Or maybe it is just my misconception of what you have meant?

          You say: 'Till date no one has described "what an electron is". But as far as I know a lot of people tried to define an electron including me. For me it is a wavepacket. Obviously in science we cannot be 100% sure that we are right and our goal is not to confirm but to falsify.

          You are quite close to my view saying: 'Particles are nothing but locally confined fields of different densities.' And that supports also my comment concerning the perception.

          And my final question: what is the conclusion of your essay? It from Bit, vice versa or not possible to determine?

          Best regards

            Dear Sir,

            You are right that "The waves are in a sequence of cause and effect determined by the physics of the circumstance". Everything evolves in that way in a continuing chain of events independent of our observation. But if we look for a particular chain; how to describe it? It has evolved further so that it cannot be described as it was. It is not non-existent, because it still exists in an evolved state unknown to us. The uncertainty is about our knowledge and not its existence. It was perceived at "here-now". It existed before and continues to exist after that in states unknown to us. If we combine its perception over time t' to t'' into one lot, at all other times it existed in an evolving state, but not perceived by us. We cannot differentiate between such states. Hence it has to be described together as a superposition of states. In fact, when it was perceived, it was also in different states, but since these were known, they can be described precisely.

            Perception is observation of the observable by the observer. Observation is reporting the state of the observable only. It does not affect the observable. But without observation, the object is meaningless as far as we are concerned. Since perception is comparison of observation to a fixed concept, it has to be time invariant unlike the observable, which is time variant in its temporal evolution. We must note these differences.

            The wave does not change the state of the medium; it only passes the momentum to the next position. Hence you are right that it is in a sequence of states.

            Regarding your last para, we will quote an anecdote. A famous scientist once directed two of his students to precisely measure the wave-length of sodium light. The students returned with two different results - one resembling the normally accepted value and the other a different value. Upon enquiry, the other student replied that he had also come up with the same result as the accepted value, but since everything including the Earth and the scale on it is moving, for precision measurement he applied length contraction to the scale treating the star Betelgeuse as a reference point. This changed the result. The scientist told him to treat the scale and the object to be measured as moving with the same velocity and recalculate the wave-length of light again without any reference to Betelgeuse. After sometime, both the students returned to tell that the wave-length of sodium light is infinite. To a surprised scientist, they explained that since the scale is moving with light, its length would shrink to zero. Hence it will require an infinite number of scales to measure the wave-length of sodium light!

            Some scientists we have come across try to overcome this difficulty by pointing out that length contraction occurs only in the direction of motion. They claim that if we hold the rod in a transverse direction to the direction of motion, then there will be no length contraction. But we fail to understand how the length can be measured by holding the rod in a transverse direction. If the light path is also transverse to the direction of motion, then the terms c+v and c-v vanish from the equation making the entire theory redundant. If the observer moves together with the given measuring-rod and the rod to be measured, and measures the length of the rod directly by superposing the measuring-rod while moving with it, he will not find any difference because the length contraction, if real, will be in the same proportion for both.

            The fallacy in the above description is that if one treats "as if all three were at rest", one cannot measure velocity or momentum, as the object will be relatively as rest, which means zero relative velocity. Either Einstein missed this point or he was clever enough to camouflage this, when, in his 1905 paper, he said: "Now to the origin of one of the two systems (k) let a constant velocity v be imparted in the direction of the increasing x of the other stationary system (K), and let this velocity be communicated to the axes of the co-ordinates, the relevant measuring-rod, and the clocks". But is this the velocity of k as measured from k, or is it the velocity as measured from K? This question is extremely crucial. K and k each have their own clocks and measuring rods, which are not treated as equivalent by Einstein. Therefore, according to his theory, the velocity will be measured by each differently. In fact, they will measure the velocity of k differently. But Einstein does not assign the velocity specifically to either system. Everyone missed it and all are misled. His spinning disk example in GR also falls for the same reason.

            Regards,

            basudeba

            Dear Sir,

            Your question shows the depth of your knowledge. Your invitation shows your confidence and quest for truth. Hats off to you Sir! We will try to satisfy you.

            Newton said both the apple and the Earth are stationary. Gravity pulls the apple to Earth. This itself is debatable, as nothing can be physically "pulled". It is always a push from the opposite direction. The weakening of the stem could not support the mass of the apple, so that it got free and moved in the direction of least resistance. Einstein also told that both the apple and the Earth are stationary, but he reasoned that the space between the Earth and the apple curved, so that the distance between the Earth and the apple became zero. We wonder, by what mechanism only the space between the Earth and the apple curved leaving all other objects around unaffected!

            Einsteinian space-time curvature calculations were based on vacuum, i.e. on a medium without any gravitational properties (since it has no mass). Now if a material medium is considered (which space certainly is), then it will have a profound effect on the space-time geometry as opposed to that in vacuum. It will make the gravitational constant differential for different localities (as seen in the acceleration due to gravity case).

            Have you ever wondered the difference between force and energy? Free on-line dictionary defines force as "The capacity to do work or cause physical change; energy, strength, or active power" in the general category, but changes to "A vector quantity that tends to produce an acceleration of a body in the direction of its application" in the physics category. The same dictionary defines energy as "The capacity for work or vigorous activity; vigor; power" and "The capacity of a physical system to do work" in general and physics category respectively. The word "capacity to cause" physical change means, energy in its stored or potential state is force. In its kinetic state (vigorous activity), it is interaction and after it ceases to act, it is action. Though the three are only evolutionary states of the same thing, they are physically different.

            Gravity is a "force" that stabilizes orbits between interacting bodies, when both bodies circle around a point called barycenter. If you take the distance from this point to the centers of each body, draw a square of that length and distribute the mass of the two bodies in the reverse field, you will find some interesting results. We leave it to you for working it out so that you can draw your own conclusions. For this reason, gravity is closer to magnetism. Bodies with strong magnetic fields exhibit high gravitation potential also. On the other hand, strong, weak, electromagnetic interactions and radioactive disintegration are caused by "energy". Unlike magnetism or gravity, these are associated with high temperature. Unlike gravity, these four are governed by different combinations of proximity-distance variables (proximity-proximity, proximity-distance, distance-proximity and distance-distance) between the two bodies involved in interaction. Since both belong to different classes, they have not been unified by any of the present day theories. This shows that there is some inherent defect in modern theories that need rectification. (We hold gravity as a composite of 7 different forces. In its role for structure formation, these are called acceleration due to gravity and in its role for displacement, these are called gravity.)

            In our reply to Robert Bennett above, we have discussed the defects in the result of Hafele and Keating's experiment about time dilation. In our essay, we have given a different meaning of time dilation, which we believe as true. However, length contraction, which is a different concept altogether, is only apparent. Walk towards a hill and it will appear to grow. This is due to the angle of radiation emanated from that direction reaching our cornea (can be taken as a point) that causes such illusion.

            Your definition of electron is like telling basudeba is a person. But what is a person? There are many questions on the validity of a wave packet.

            And your final question now! We believe in a background structure and the interplay of energy on it according to two principles: conservation (of matter and energy) and inertia (of rest and inertia of restoration or elasticity). We believe that dark energy is an oxymoron. It is the universe as a whole spinning around a cosmic center like the planets in the solar system. Now the galactic clusters are moving away from each other like sometimes planets appear to move away from each other again to come closer. In distant future, the galactic clusters will appear to close in. Only this can explain why the universe is not expanding even in galactic scales, but only in higher clusters. By "it" if you mean the universe, then the answer is vice versa. If by "it" if you mean information, then it is the background structure that gives rise to bits.

            Regards,

            basudeba

            Dear Sir,

            Your thought experiment replicates the arguments of a nineteenth century fiction called "FLAT LANDS", which inhibited 2-D creatures and the account of one of them after a visit to Earth. This has misguided everyone till date. Dimension of objects is the perception that differentiates the "internal structural space" from the "external relational space". Since such perception is mediated by electromagnetic interaction, where an electric field and a magnetic field move perpendicular to each other in a direction perpendicular to both, we have three mutually perpendicular directions. Thus, the face of a cube is 2-D, does it have independent existence? The "mathematics" involving n-dimensions is also a myth. Mathematics explains only "how much" one quantity accumulates or reduces in an interaction involving similar or partly similar quantities and not "what", "why", "when", "where", or "with whom" about the objects involved in such interactions. These are the subject matters of physics.

            Measurement is a conscious process of comparison between two similar quantities, one of which is called the scaling constant (unit). The cognition part induces the action leading to comparison, the reaction of which is again cognized as information. There is a threshold limit for such cognition. Hence Nature is mathematical in some perceptible ways. This has been proved by the German physiologist Mr. Ernst Heinrich Weber, who measured human response to various physical stimuli. Carrying out experiments with lifting increasing weights, he devised the formula: ds = k (dW / W), where ds is the threshold increase in response (the smallest increase still discernible), dW the corresponding increase in weight, W the weight already present and k the proportionality constant. This has been developed as the Weber-Fechner law. This shows that the conscious response follows a somewhat logarithmic law. This has been successfully applied to a wide range of physiological responses.

            Mathematics is also related to the measurement of time evolution of the state of something. These time evolutions depict rate of change. When such change is related to motion; like velocity, acceleration, etc, it implies total displacement from the position occupied by the body and moving to the adjacent position. This process is repeated due to inertia till it is modified by the introduction of other forces. Thus, these are discrete steps that can be related to three dimensional structures only. Mathematics measures only the numbers of these steps, the distances involved including amplitude, wave length, etc and the quanta of energy applied etc. Mathematics is related also to the measurement of area or curves on a graph - the so-called mathematical structures, which are two dimensional structures. Thus, the basic assumptions of all topologies, including symplectic topology, linear and vector algebra and the tensor calculus, all representations of vector spaces, whether they are abstract or physical, real or complex, composed of whatever combination of scalars, vectors, quaternions, or tensors, and the current definition of the point, line, and derivative are necessarily at least one dimension less from physical space.

            The graph may represent space, but it is not space itself. The drawings of a circle, a square, a vector or any other physical representation, are similar abstractions. The circle represents only a two dimensional cross section of a three dimensional sphere. The square represents a surface of a cube. Without the cube or similar structure (including the paper), it has no physical existence. An ellipse may represent an orbit, but it is not the dynamical orbit itself. The vector is a fixed representation of velocity; it is not the dynamical velocity itself, and so on. The so-called simplification or scaling up or down of the drawing does not make it abstract. The basic abstraction is due to the fact that the mathematics that is applied to solve physical problems actually applies to the two dimensional diagram, and not to the three dimensional space. The numbers are assigned to points on the piece of paper or in the Cartesian graph, and not to points in space. If one assigns a number to a point in space, what one really means is that it is at a certain distance from an arbitrarily chosen origin. Thus, by assigning a number to a point in space, what one really does is assign an origin, which is another point in space leading to a contradiction. The point in space can exist by itself as the equilibrium position of various forces. But a point on a paper exists only with reference to the arbitrarily assigned origin. If additional force is applied, the locus of the point in space resolves into two equal but oppositely directed field lines. But the locus of a point on a graph is always unidirectional and depicts distance - linear or non-linear, but not force. Thus, a physical structure is different from its mathematical representation.

            You say a person is just a wave packet, but consider the physics and the mathematics behind the concept. It is full of aberrations. We give you just one example. The wave function is determined by solving Schrödinger's differential equation: d2ψ/dx2 + 8π2m/h2 [E-V(x)]ψ = 0. By using a suitable energy operator term, the equation is written as Hψ = Eψ. The way the equation has been written, it appears to be an equation in one dimension, but in reality it is a second order equation signifying a two dimensional field, as the original equation and the energy operator contain a term x2. The method of the generalization of the said Schrödinger equation to the three spatial dimensions does not stand mathematical scrutiny. A third order equation implies volume. Addition of three areas does not generate volume and neither x+y+z ≠ (x.y.z) nor x2+y2+z2 ≠ (x.y.z). Thus, there is no wonder that it has failed to explain spectra other than hydrogen. The so-called success in the case of helium and lithium spectra gives results widely divergent from observation. The probability calculations, squaring of a complex variable, mathematical operations involving infinity, brute force approach, etc are un-mathematical manipulation in the name of mathematics. There are many such aberrations.

            It is interesting to note that wherever both of us applied our mind independently, we have arrived at near similar conclusions. But whenever you relied on the views of other scientists, we have difference of opinion. The reason is: modern science is built on an incremental manner. Theories are built upon "established theories" without continuously evaluating them in the light of the results of latest experiments and observations. This blind acceptance of "established theories" is nothing but superstition. It is perpetuated by the books and papers eulogizing these as "in a brilliant deduction", "with a stroke of genius", "a highly successful theory", etc, to label these theories. which are unwanted misleading information to prevent free thinking and guiding the students in the right direction.

            This has been compounded by the race for going ahead, which prevents students to look back. In the peer group, it generates the cult of incomprehensibility. For this reason, precise definitions are becoming rare in science. They use "operational definitions", which can be manipulated to suit their convenience. Look at the declarations by LHC regarding detection of the Higg's boson. Now there is a rush to change the name of the particle to share honors. Given the clarity level, we wonder how many people applauding the writers in this context really understand their views totally! The hurry also generates reductionism, so that totality of the theories is lost sight of. Many fundamental laws are applicable in multi-disciplinary areas. For example, Doppler effect is used in light, sound, cosmology, and SR (length contraction). Yet, no one used it to SR to point out that the length contraction is only apparent to the observer due to Doppler effect.

            There is a necessity to scrap all theories and re-write them from the scratch based on the data available today. Even after more than a century, should we still persist with the concept of extra-dimensions? This will not undermine the effects of earlier scientists, as due to their efforts only we have come this far. But only to show honor to them, we cannot perpetuates myths - which most of the interpretations of quantum theory and latest cosmology are.

            Regards,

            basudeba

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            Basudeba

            "It has evolved further so that it cannot be described as it was"

            By definition we can only observe/measure it as it was at an earlier point in time. But, if we know how the sequence works, and especially if we have several timed observations, then we can make a estimate as to what it was at any other time.

            "It is not non-existent, because it still exists in an evolved state unknown to us"

            No, it is existent, it is just not in the state which we measured, and may or may not be possible to predict on the basis of that measurement. Existence does not occur only if we know it. The overwhelming proportion of existence is not known to us, but it is still there. You agreed with me that existence is independent, that is what that means.

            "The uncertainty is about our knowledge and not its existence."

            Agreed. This is my fundamental point. But both relativity and QM, effectively, attribute at least some aspect of this inability to existence itself, ie in one way or anther they deem existence to have some form of indefiniteness. Which it does not have.

            "We cannot differentiate between such states"

            Why not? If you have enough observations you can 'fill in the gaps'. [Just for the record: we cannot differentiate individual physically existent states by any form of experimentation, I can confidently assert, because the degree of alteration and duration is so vanishingly small, and anyway we are reliant on the ability of light to capture and transmit these variances in the first place]. "Hence it has to be described together as a superposition of states". All the possibilities can be listed, if you want, but it is not 'in' all these, it is 'in' one of them, and why bother to do this?

            "Perception is observation of the observable by the observer"

            No, observation is one form of perception available to us, and it involves the receipt of that which the sight sensory system can utilise to enable awareness in the possessor of that system. Unfortunately(!), we only have, and the start point is, the output from the subsequent processing, whereas what we really want to know is what was received, because that is where the physics ends.

            "But without observation, the object is meaningless as far as we are concerned"

            There are two points here:

            -the object is meaningless in so far as we are not aware of it, if it exists, it exists

            -the object is only knowable to us in this form (which includes other means of sensing). It may be something completely different, but we can only know of it within our existentially closed system. It is not just a matter of the time (which is the difference between time of occurrence and time of receipt of representation of that), but the fact that existence needs to be differentiated from existent representation thereof. The mug of coffee in front of me does not exist in that form. What I receive is a light based representation of it. Now, whether that is how it 'actually' exists is a question, but an irrelevant one, because we can never know. We cannot transcend our own existence, we can only know what is within it.

            Your point on Einstein is not correct. As I have said, several times now, the concept of length contraction was the catalyst. It became redundant as a determinant of the theory. Because of his failure to understand timing, he created an extra layer of time, which he then deemed to be a variance in existence itself. Whereas in fact that timing difference is in the receipt of light, ie it is there, which is why the concept of relativity appears to 'work'. The other reason that is so is because there is an optical illusion associated with relative movement. He then explained away length alteration from the perspective of this time variance. Whether it does or does not occur is an entirely different matter. The giveaway to this is that he calls the section On the relativity of lengths and time, and uses the same argument to 'prove' length variation. In other words, his concept of length is distance. And that is calibrated by using, as it happens, light speed as the constant reference. But you can only express distance in terms of time taken, conceptually. Distance is the spatial difference between existence at the same time. There is no duration available for something to travel the distance. Or put the other way around, whatever was at the other end of the distance will have altered, so the distance will have altered before whatever is travelling gets there, there having altered!

            Paul

            Dear Sir,

            It appears we are talking about the same thing in different languages.

            Your view is correct that we can make a projection for the future based on past readings. And in most cases, it may turn out to be true. But still a small chance remains that it may not be so, because of the uncertainty induced by the environment.

            Our "not non-existent" and your "existent" mean the same thing.

            If you look at the ego-clash between scientists during the first half of the last century, you will know how much it has harmed the growth of science. To prove own superiority, scientists even resorted to fantasizing. One example is EPR Paradox. It is known that particles are not entangled infinitely, but only over limited distances.

            Why restrict observation to "sight sensory system" and extend to other sensory mechanisms also?

            Your description of the knowability of objects is strikingly similar to the views expressed in the Essay "Is Reality Digital or Analog" written by us in this forum three years ago. What we see is not the object proper, but the radiation emitted by it that interacts with similar radiation emitted/received/measured by our eyes. But when we touch it, we cut across the radiation and directly touch the object. Thus, what we see, we cannot touch and what we touch, we cannot see. This also induces uncertainty to some extent.

            Doppler effect is used in light, sound, cosmology, and SR (length contraction). Yet, no one used it to SR to point out that the length contraction is only apparent to the observer due to Doppler effect. When you move towards or away from a mountain, the changing angles of the light coming from the mountain and reaching your cornea gives the impression of change in its volume - hence mass and height, which is the same as length in a different direction. This obvious fact is not seen by many.

            Regards,

            basudeba

            Dear Sir,

            This is with reference to the points raised by you in Dr. Peter Jackson's thread.

            Your statement on reality echos the ancient Indian Philosophy of Vedanta. It was proposed to resolve the seemingly differences between various texts dealing with consciousness. Since the mechanism of perception, which is associated with consciousness (as in the statement "I know this"), is same in all cases to all persons at all times, the ultimate reality is one and immutable and cannot be directly accessed. But when we come to the physical world, the position is different.

            It is true that everything is ever changing. But change is ever present. And that is real. The question is: in an ever-changing world, how do we define reality? The only possibility is by accepting the "representations thereof, if they correspond with existence as knowable to us" - as per your statement. This correspondence is done by assigning an invariant concept to each object and giving it a name. This is nothing but information. Thus, information has three components: the transmitter, the receiver and the message. The link is perception. Unless the receiver decodes and perceives the message, it is meaningless. Since transmission is subject to interference from the ever changing environment, we have to take into account of that also.

            Hence we define reality as the invariant aspect associated with all objects and consistent with other universal physical laws (existence), that can be perceived as a concept (knowability) and expressed through a language (communicability). Since the three aspects are related, anything showing these characteristics is real.

            Regards,

            basudeba

            Basudeba,

            After your comments on my own thread I was very pleased to find you in wide agreement with the 'Discrete Field Model' foundations discussed at length in the NPA dissidents blog in the last few years including the Hafele results, time dilation, particle shocks, etc. (also discussed in detail in my last 3 essays here).

            Considering this and your agreement that "The validity of a physical theory is judged by its correspondence to reality" I surmise that it was only misunderstanding of my point regarding correspondence that let you to suggest it was false.

            I note particularly that you suggest the delayed choice results are false, but don't address why. Again I've given a precise description as to why, but it is clear that that your misunderstanding of my point about the limitations of the statistical approach used has prevented you seeing the resolution.

            My point is that an additional parameter subset is needed to allow the information to emerge, demonstrating that Wheelers starting assumption was incorrect. Why he accepted paradox and did not go back to test other assumption is quite beyond me, as I suspect it will be for you.

            Finally; You confirm you do agree with my actual thesis in saying;

            "But there is difference between Reality and its simulation,". Yet you don't identify the implications of this difference or suggest how it should be parametrised. This is what I have done, which you have not yet recognised the full importance of as it's mostly trivial (as Chaitin). If you have a better way of distinguishing I'm very glad to discuss.

            Final questions; Without 'time', is a wave continuous? and, admitting time, would you consider a helix continuous or discrete?

            I'm very glad it seems I may prove able to score your essay more highly than your comments made me anticipate.

            best wishes

            Peter

              Dear Sir,

              Your post is an excellent example of showing that most of our misunderstandings are caused by our own indiscretion or non-application of mind (in addition of course to our other limitations, such as ignorance, arrogance, etc). We note that you have gone through our Essay fully paying attention to its implications at each stage. Few people do it now-a-days. Thanks.

              We could not elaborate more due to space limitations. Regarding delayed choice experiment, we have said that it is a variant of double-slit experiment, which is wrong. For this we have given justification briefly. Firstly, we have shown that the measuring instrument is interfering with the final result. Secondly, we have shown that it is not a quantum phenomenon, but happens in macro world also.

              If you go by logic, excluded middle, along with law of contradictions, flows from a dichotomy of the law of identity. The principle of excluded middle is an expression of its jointly exhaustive aspect, while the law of contradictions deals with the mutually exclusive aspect. As we have pointed out earlier, the law of identity has been exhaustively discussed in the ancient Indian philosophy of Vedanta, dating back at least to 3000 BC or older. One of its branches "Adwaita", deals with the law of identity. Another branch "Dwaitaadweta" deals with both the laws of contradictions and the excluded middle, along with a host of other aspects. But the basic point here is that all flow from the law of identity - "Adwaita".

              If you go to the dialogue of Socrates and Theaetetus, which is the foundation of the law of identity, you will notice that Socrates was talking of "different from the other and the same with itself". Vedanta stretches this logic to creation event. There everything is indiscernible. Hence at that stage, all A=A (called Brahman). Here it deals only with consciousness (observer), as unless something is perceived as such, it exists independently on its own, but it has no meaning for us. The content of all observations is "I perceive this...(different observables)". Thus, from the angle of observation, all A=A. But when it comes to the observable, A is not A. The other A represents the material world, where everything is discrete. You also admit it, when you say: "that no two galaxies, planets, trees, people, snowflakes or grains of sand will be found absolutely identical when observed at above molecular level". But below molecular level, they are indiscernible. Thus, the law of excluded middle cannot apply here. You are partially echoing the views of Aristotle in his Metaphysics, Book IV, Part 4. Leibniz and Russell drew their law of identity from the same source.

              Gödel's n-valued logic is based on the "principle of truth-functionality" - that the truth of a compound sentence is determined by the truth values of its component sentences (thus, it remains unaffected when one of its component sentences is replaced by another sentence with the same truth value). Though it appears to be true, it can be misleading due to reductionism. There is a story of six blind men, who went to "see" an elephant. Each touched one of its parts and reported his findings truthfully. One who has not seen an elephant cannot make any sense of their combined statements, even though it describes the elephant fully. But one, who has seen an elephant, can easily make sense out of it.

              Many valued logic does not restrict the number of truth values to only two: they allow for a larger set W of truth degrees. There is no standard interpretation of the truth degrees and they are to be understood depending on the actual field of application. However, like the classical logic, it is generally assumed that there are two truth degrees, usually denoted by "0" and "1". The concept of Fuzzy Logic, which is a form of many valued logic, was conceived by Lotfi Zadeh not as a control methodology, but as a way of processing data by allowing partial set membership rather than crisp set membership or non-membership (data that is approximate rather than fixed and exact.). He reasoned that people do not require precise, numerical information input, and yet they are capable of highly adaptive control. If feedback controllers could be programmed to accept noisy, imprecise input (whose truth value ranges in degree between 0 and 1 - the excluded middle), they would be much more effective and perhaps easier to implement.

              But these concepts cannot be applied to a wave, because it has to be continuous, as it only transfers momentum to its continuously adjacent positions without physically displacing the medium. The interval between two troughs or two crests cannot be called the excluded middle, because if they are excluded, there will be no trough or crest. There will be ditches and no wave. As we have pointed out in our essay; "A wave is perturbations of density, pressure and velocity, where sites of maximum density alternate with sites of minimum density to generate and propagate the vibrations. They are distributed periodically and propagate in the medium. The wavelength is a weak perturbation, where the relative values of the density amplitude (i.e., the greatest value of density, divided by the average density of the medium) is small as compared to unity."

              There is one more reason for the wave to be continuous. Time is the interval between events. The wave attains a crest and a trough in time. Time evolution always takes place in cycles from being to becoming and then either recycling fully or partially. In the case of a wave, the recycling is fully - one wave replaced by another similar wave (assuming there are no other distracting factors). Thus, it has to be continuous. This principle applies to the helix.

              Regards,

              basudeba

              Dear Sir, (Dr. Peter Jackson)

              We have replied to your points on the excluded middle, many valued functions and fuzzy logic above. Here is some more clarification regarding Maxwell's theories.

              The wave function is determined by solving Schrödinger's differential equation: d2ψ/dx2 + 8π2m/h2 [E-V(x)]ψ = 0. By using a suitable energy operator term, the equation is written as Hψ = Eψ. The way the equation has been written, it appears to be an equation in one dimension, but in reality it is a second order equation signifying a two dimensional field, as the original equation and the energy operator contain a term x2. The method of the generalization of the said Schrödinger equation to the three spatial dimensions does not stand mathematical scrutiny. A third order equation implies volume. Addition of three areas does not generate volume and neither x+y+z ≠ (x.y.z) nor x2+y2+z2 ≠ (x.y.z). Thus, there is no wonder that it has failed to explain spectra other than hydrogen. The so-called success in the case of helium and lithium spectra gives results widely divergent from observation. The probability calculations, squaring of a complex variable, mathematical operations involving infinity, brute force approach, etc are un-mathematical manipulation in the name of mathematics. There are many such aberrations.

              Sorry to disappoint you, but we do not accept anything without being satisfied by its authenticity. Name dropping does not influence us. We may be wrong. If someone points out our mistakes, we get an opportunity of re-evaluating ourselves. Hence kindly excuse us.

              Regards,

              basudeba