Hi Manuel,

I liked your essay very much. I do have a couple of questions, however. On page 3, in discussing the two-slit experiment, you talk about a "deterministic selection" being applied, which leads to the observation of a collapsed state, or eigenstate. Now, it's the presence of a detection screen behind the slits that makes such observation possible; so, it seems that the "selection" here is associated with the screen. But I'm not sure why you describe this selection as deterministic; for unless you make some additional assumptions, the effect of the screen on the relevant observed eigenstate appears to be only probabilistic, just like the effect of dropping a coin on the edge of a cup.

The second question concerns p. 6, in the discussion of Figs. 4a and 5a. If I understand correctly, you're identifying a spin-down orientation (-) with the non-existence of a selection event; but what is the rationale for this identification? Your remarks near the bottom of p. 5, in particular, seem to imply that a state doesn't exist if there's no selection associated with it; but in that case, it follows that spin-down states don't exist, which doesn't make sense (or, is blatantly false)- hence, equating spin-down with no-selection seems highly problematic.

I apologize if I've misunderstood your ideas, and I'd be grateful for any clarification.

Best of luck,

Willard

    Willard,

    Thank you for reviewing my essay and the kind words of support.

    Regarding your double slit questions, the slits acts as selectors causing the effects observed on the detection screen. The screen gives us the effectual state of the selection made. When you referred to the coin-in-cup experiment please bear in mind that the opening of the cup represents the two acts of selection (single slit - cup opening, double slit - cup edge). Thus selection 'determines' effect and so without a selection event you have no effectual state. No assumption needed.

    Regarding your second question, please note that the figures are in sequential order. I ask that you please review how we got to Figs. 4 - 6., which began in Fig. 2a. Only after a selection event has been made do we get states of spin up or spin down. Non-existence comes into play at the selection level, not the effectual state level.

    I hope this helps.

    Manuel

    Hello again,

    Thanks for your helpful remarks. I still seem to be having some problems grasping your framework, however; I'll try to explain as best I can.

    Your statement that selection determines effect seems to imply that selection is sufficient to produce an observable effect. Yet the selection of two open slits does not, by itself, produce an effect; it's also necessary to have a detection screen. Hence, selection here is not deterministic.

    Of course, one can always say that selection in this case does determine something, namely that there are two different possible effects; but your own reference to "effects observed on the detection screen" suggests you're talking about actual, observed effects rather than possible ones. In any case, no one denies that selecting a particular experimental set-up determines a range of possible effects; what's at issue is whether actual effects or outcomes are causally determined.

    Regarding spin and helicity, you say on p. 5 that "acts of selection are causal and when combined with their effectual states on the corresponding selection axis create a state of angular momentum." One difficulty I have here is that I can't think of any examples at all of "direct" selection of spin states. But more importantly, you don't seem to offer any specific, physical account of how the above-mentioned process of spin-state-creation actually works. Of course, we already know how spin can be measured using, e.g., a Stern-Gerlach apparatus. But you seem to be offering an alternative to standard accounts of (spin-)measurement; and I just can't tell what that alternative is.

    I apologize, again, if I'm missing something.

    -Willard

    Willard,

    You are correct in that the selection of two open slits does not, by itself, produce an effect. As I have stated in my essay, selections X of potentials Y are a dichotomy. For example, it is 'necessary' to have slits/selectors to cause the pattern effects observed on the detection screen. It is also necessary for the potential of something to go through the slits in order for a selection to take place.

    Regarding spin and helicity, you speak of knowledge of such things. So can you tell me what causes spin in the first place?

    If we understand that the acts of selection are first cause, hence deterministic, then all else follows. As far as greater detail regarding this topic of spin, I leave that for my next paper.

    Best wishes,

    Manuel

    Manuel,

    Very clear thinking. Theory has not blocked your visionary capabilities. I will return and read it again. Your rating is high, perhaps it will rise higher. Thank you for enterring your essay.

    James Putnam

      Thank you James for the kind words. I hope you will find my essay worthy of a reciprocal rating in kind.

      Best wishes,

      Manuel

      Dear Manuel,

      Cause-effect continuum is much expressional with, string-matter continuum scenario, while Tetrahedral-brane propagating at the wave-front is the source for a Spin simplex of coupled Tetrahedral-branes on eigen-rotational spin; in that the observation is realistic rather than probabilistic.

      Additional details to my essay is been attached herewith

      With best regards,

      JayakarAttachment #1: Spin_simplex.pdf

        Dear Manuel,

        Your selection issue is anthropic and I do not think the nature (spacetime) needs us to exist or to select anything. What I call Reality is not It but our mere perception of It. We do not create It. We create an illusion of It and we call it Reality.

        "If we are to uncover the fundamental interaction of our physical universe then we need to establish what is causal and what is not" This is chicken and egg problem and the solution is always the same - Darwinian evolution or the special case of a more general law of survival of the stable. The survival in the complex chaotic environment. The structured criticality is a property of that complex systems where small events may trigger larger events. This is a kind of chaos where the general behavior of the system can be modeled on one scale while smaller- and larger-scale behaviors remain unpredictable. The simple example of that phenomenon is a pile of sand.

        In my opinion the slits are not selection mechanisms in the double-slit experiment. The experiment just shows the wave nature of particles. The wave does not select anything. The effect is an interference with itself. And to me that is the only nature of all particles. No duality.

        I do not understand the chapter Unification of Cause and Effect With The Four Forces.

        Best regards

        Some more comments I have sent on your e-mail.

          Jayakar,

          Fascinating approach I must say and your web site made things clearer regarding your postulate that "...string-matter continuum is imperative for the information continuum to observe the realistic information of nature and to resolve the paradoxes in particle scenario." I found your essay, although different to my approach, to be truly insightful and original and worthy of merit.

          Before I rate your essay highly, I would like to run some questions by you if I may via email. If interested please send me an email to: msm@physicsofdestiny.com

          I look forward to hearing from you.

          Regards,

          Jacek,

          I find your understanding of what I have presented to be typical of the mindset that has us believing that observed or measured effects cause the effects we perceive as reality. Your chicken and egg analogy is reflective of such mindset. I have found that if we have given up on trying to understand what is casual (first cause), and what is not, to be the wall preventing us from a deeper understanding that reality is a dichotomy, not a singularity.

          I base my opinion on actual empirical findings and offer to those who wish to falsify these findings a way to do so via the Final Selection Experiment. I truly hope you don't feel the need to go there for nature is absolute in this regard.

          Best wishes,

          Manuel

          Hi Manuel

          I thank you for drawing my attention to your essay. I really enjoyed reading it and I found it very interesting. You touch a very controversial topic, whether events are determined or not. I continuously think about chance and determinism, and I still don't reach a consensus. Both options are plausible and both have some objections.

          I agree with some of your points but I also think that you make some assumptions in the experiment, that you do not mention. I also don't have clear what you mean by "direct" and "indirect" as in the case of the experiment with the coin. There you are assuming that the experiment is conducted in vacuum and that gravity works the same way all the time. Given these two assumptions, the outcome of the direct experiment is predictable, whereas for the other is unpredictable. So, in the forthcoming development of your model it seems to me that you're taking for granted that some laws such as gravity are well known.

          I also agree that entanglement should be a local phenomenon but so far I haven't found a satisfactory explanation. I think your work helps a lot to understand this problem, although, I have to studied in more detail.

          In the post you left in my entry, you mentioned that according to your approach GR does play a role in the microscopic world. From your work I could see that gravity plays a role but not GR. I'd be glad if you could explain how could you derive GR from your approach. Gravity in Newton's view is a force, in GR gravity is not a force but the curvature of space.

          Thanks and good luck in the contest!

          Best Regards

          Israel

            Hi Manuel,

            Thanks for a thought-provoking essay. While I am still digesting it, here are some initial thoughts and questions. You wrote:

            > Destiny is a theory that events or series of events are all predetermined, i.e., absolute determinism or super-determinism, and since events are moments of physical energy, then fundamentally it is necessary that this theory applies to the laws of physics, as such, physical beings cannot act in violation of the laws of their own physical existence and vice versa.

            I take it that your theory is based on the idea that a realistic QM has to be super-deterministic. But there are now several other types of realistic QM (a couple based on quaternionic QM were mentioned in my essay). Have you thought of experiments that would reveal other types?

            > After twelve consecutive years, from 2000-2012, the Tempt Destiny experiment obtained empirical evidence that the events of physical reality are predetermined to be certain or uncertain although not exclusively one or the other.

            It strikes me that a sample size of 12 is rather small for detecting statistical effects, but I am unsure what was being measured in your test. Have you made an estimate of the significance of the pattern you found? What pattern of outcomes in the football games would convince you that your theory is incorrect?

            > In other words, observation or measurement of the effects of selection events alone gives us a false sense of reality.

            You make a good point about differentiating effects and causes. Ken Wharton's essay describes what he calls the Independence Fallacy when interpreting QM. Do you see a connection with his argument?

            > If we understand that a dichotomy is a division into two mutually exclusive or contradictory entities, then it is also understood that it is necessary that both complementary entities exist simultaneously for either to exist at all.

            I am not sure exactly what you mean by "existence" here. For example, a dichotomy exists between finite and infinite. Yet I can imagine finite things existing without assuming that infinite things exist.

            > The assumption that selection is some sort of option, a freedom of will, is unsubstantiated by the fact that this machine we call choice is how energy works which is a fundamental necessity, not a philosophical option, of our physical existence.

            In my Software Cosmos essay, I describe the simulation paradigm, the idea that the physical world is a simulation resting on a different information world. That means that the laws of the physical world could be deterministic, yet the laws of the deeper world (or worlds) it rests on would not have to be. Perhaps the seat of choice is a world lower than the physical, that the physical emerges from.

            Hugh

              Manuel,

              My own work repudiates theoretical physics. This resuts directly from making mass a definable property. In other words, the very first intrusion of theory is removed from this initial physics equation. All further changes result directly from the fact that all other mechanical properties and their units are definable in terms of mass, distance, and time. I say this only for the purpos of pointing out that, when I read the works of others that are accepting of theoretical physics, it requires me to do a great deal of translation for my own purposes. I haven't yet fully understood your essay. I find thoughtful original approaches, such as yours, worth learning about. For openers, I have just one easy question: E=G2 is described as being dimensionally consistent. Can you please show the units for this equation? It would help me out. Thank you.

              James Putnam

              In response to your comments Hugh,

              H: "I take it that your theory is based on the idea that a realistic QM has to be super-deterministic. Have you thought of experiments that would reveal other types?"

              M: Actually Hugh, I found QM not to be super-deterministic. Instead, it is a part of what makes determinism super-deterministic.

              H: "It strikes me that a sample size of 12 is rather small for detecting statistical effects, but I am unsure what was being measured in your test."

              M: The construct of the experiment was not geared toward obtaining statistical outcomes/effects. Therefore sample size is irrelevant especially when you consider that selections of potentials is universal and absolute to physical existence. Hence no selection, no existence, i.e. the Final Selection Experiment.

              H: "I am not sure exactly what you mean by "existence" here. For example, a dichotomy exists between finite and infinite. Yet I can imagine finite things existing without assuming that infinite things exist."

              M: If one assumes finite things exist without the existence of infinite things, then how would you know what is finite? In addition, you would now longer have a dichotomy.

              H: "In my Software Cosmos essay, I describe the simulation paradigm, the idea that the physical world is a simulation resting on a different information world. That means that the laws of the physical world could be deterministic, yet the laws of the deeper world (or worlds) it rests on would not have to be. Perhaps the seat of choice is a world lower than the physical, that the physical emerges from."

              M: The empirical evidence show that you are correct in your statement "...the seat of choice is a world lower than the physical, that the physical emerges from." You said it better than I.

              Thank you for your in-depth analogy of my essay. I wish you the best in the competition.

              Regards,

              Manuel

              Isreal,

              Thank you for taking the time to review my essay and for your comments. I shall do my best to address them as follows:

              I: "Given these two assumptions, the outcome of the direct experiment is predictable, whereas for the other is unpredictable. So, in the forthcoming development of your model it seems to me that you're taking for granted that some laws such as gravity are well known."

              M: The coin-in-cup experiment is about selection, not gravity. Without selection you have no coin-in-cup effect with, or without, gravity.

              I: "I also agree that entanglement should be a local phenomenon but so far I haven't found a satisfactory explanation. I think your work helps a lot to understand this problem, although, I have to studied in more detail."

              M: Hugh has said this better than I and so I quote, ""...the seat of choice is a world lower than the physical, that the physical emerges from." What we think of as locality are the physical effectual states that we observe or measure. As the graphs in my essay show, the 'attractive forces' of the acts of selections of potentials, i.e., gravity, is deeper than the locality of spin which correlates with Einstein's prediction nearly a century ago.

              I hope this helps.

              Manuel

              Manuel,

              Thank you very much for your support. I really appreciate the feedback.

              Certainly we can continue our dialogue. My email address is rshand@shaw.ca.

              Best wishes,

              Richard

              Dear Manuel,

              I have read through your essay and I must say that it is a very impressive piece of work! You did produce a fine paper with interesting ideas. I do however have some comments.

              In the first parts of your paper, you did mention that as per your destiny theory a super - deterministic model of reality should give us a much better understanding of our reality - this is like being able to see into the future! But let's say that there exist a super intelligent being who possesses a SUPER computer which has the capability to compute the position of all the atoms of the universe( which is overly complicated as at this level as atomic behavior is as per per rules of quantum mechanics - the uncertainty principle, but let's assume it is true!), this will allow it to know in advance the events that will be occurring. Now let's say that it CHOOSES not to use his computer - it will then be observing the same reality as we do. So it always boils down to cause and effect and something in the mind of the observer which causes him/her or it to observe reality the way it is.

              Secondly, you mentioned in your essay that you have produced a self - consistent quantized theory of gravity. As a student, I do not have enough qualifications to discuss quantum gravity in detail but your diagrams seemed to be rather clear however you need to insert the necessary mathematical construction and physical theories required for a theory of quantum gravity - but this is theoretical work, this contest is on a highly philosophical topic and it is for this reason that I have not inserted equations in my paper, it would have been difficult for me to compare with others.

              Finally you said that electromagnetism is a function of gravity - then this means that your theory should have produce the Maxwell equations including a correction as per the theory of quantum gravity - I am not saying that you are wrong - again I am not qualified for that but only that some equations on the subject would have been interesting! Finally a further investigation of the theory ( just like we do for electromagnetism - showing gauge invariance thereby implying existence of a massless particle - the photon, your theory should have predicted existence of the a particle of gravity - could be the graviton.) This is just a suggestion as the right way of doing it would be far more rigorous than a simple proof of gauge invariance or invariance of the Klein - Gordon equation for an electromagnetic plane wave.

              Again your essay was very interesting and I wish best of luck for the contest.

              Salvish

                Hi Manuel,

                This is a cool essay with cool graphics. We seem to have some viewpoints in common. I am intrigued with your E=G2. In my 3D Universe Theory I have redefined fundamental dimensions to just Length and Time and I get E=1/L2 and G=1/L so it would fit with your E=G2.

                If you have time, please take a look at my essay and let me know what you think.

                Best of luck with the contest.

                Patrick

                  Patrick,

                  Thank you for the kind words of support and for introducing me to your 3D Universe Theory. I find the similarities interesting and worth looking into at greater depth.

                  Good luck to you as well in the competition.

                  Regards,

                  Manuel

                  Salvish,

                  Thank you for reviewing my work and for your comments. I have address your comments as follows:

                  S: "So it always boils down to cause and effect and something in the mind of the observer which causes him/her or it to observe reality the way it is."

                  M: There has never been or ever will be an observation or measurement without a selection event first taking place. For example, an experimenter, or deity as per your example, cannot make a selection without the potential to do so. The findings show that the fundamental acts of selection consists of two dichotomies which do not exist until they do, i.e., first cause.

                  S: "Finally you said that electromagnetism is a function of gravity - then this means that your theory should have produce the Maxwell equations including a correction as per the theory of quantum gravity"

                  M: Currently physics is based on second cause, i.e., how observed or measured effects cause effects. However, it cannot supersede and thus invalidate a paradigm based on first cause, e.g., 'how' observed or measured effects come into existence in the first place. Therefore, a fundamental reevaluation will be required to acclimate this new paradigm. I have initiated such reevaluation with my most recent peer-reviewed paper:

                  Assumed Higgs Boson Discovery Proved Einstein Right

                  http://fundamentaljournals.org/ijfps/downloads/37-IJFPS_Dec_2012_44_47.pdf

                  http://labs.adsabs.harvard.edu/ui/abs/2012IJFPS..37...47M

                  Perhaps you may find the first paper based on the initial empirical findings of interest as well:

                  PHYSICS OF PREDETERMINED EVENTS: Complementarity States of Choice-Chance Mechanics[link:gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Unification%20Theories/Download/3571http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Unification%20Theories/Download/3571[/link]

                  http://labs.adsabs.harvard.edu/ui/abs/2011APS..APRE13009M?

                  http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR11/Event/145843

                  Best wishes,

                  Manuel