Hi Mark,

As to ''we cannot claim that particles (or waves or anything) exist'', that depends on what we mean with ''exist''.

If the very most fundamental law of a universe which creates itself out of nothing, without any outside interference, is the conservation law which says that what comes out of nothing must add to nothing -so everything inside of it, including space and time itself must cancel, so there's nothing left to see if we could actually step outside the universe, then in this sense, the universe has no physical reality, does not exist as 'seen' from without, so to say. This apparently doesn't prevent Big Bang Cosmology (BBC) make statements about it, a conceptual fallacy which, I'm afraid, completely disqualifies the 'theory'. If, as you agree, particles are both cause and effect of their interactions, then they only exist to one another if, to the extent and for as long as they keep interacting, so they do not exist to particles outside their interaction horizon.

Whether they exist to us and what nature we observe them to have, how we find them to behave when interfered with in an experiment is affected by the kind of experiment we subject them to, by the question we ask them. So while in classical mechanics, ''exist'' is a state, a noun, in a self-creating universe, in quantum mechanics, it is an activity, a verb: if we could cut of the continuous energy exchange between particles by means of which they express and preserve each other's properties, they'd vanish without trace, like the picture on a TV screen when we switch it off.

The problem of causality is that if you explain the mass of particles as originating in their interactions with the Higgs field or boson, then to explain the mass of the Higgs boson you need to invent a pre-Higgs particle, the mass of which to explain in turn requires a pre-pre-Higgs particle, ad infinitum. As I argue in my essay, cause is not fundamental. If we understand something only if we can explain it as the effect of some cause and understand this cause only if we can explain it as the effect of a preceding cause and the chain of cause-and-effect either goes on ad infinitum or ends/starts with some primordial cause or event which, as it cannot be explained as the result from a preceding event, cannot be understood by definition, then causality ultimately cannot explain anything. As in a self-creating universe particles create, cause one another, they explain each other in a circular way: here we can take any element of an explanation, any link of the chain of reasoning without proof, use it to explain the next link and so on, to follow the circle back to the assumption we started with, which this time is explained by the foregoing reasoning.

My objection to (temporal) causality (as opposed to ontological 'causality') is that it confuses cause and effect, or, to be more precise, that, if particles indeed are both cause and the effect of their interactions, we can no longer say that their mass precedes gravity between them, so instead of saying that particles contract because they have a certain constant rest mass (they somehow, mysteriously have been provided with) and gravity is attractive, we can as well say that they acquire mass only if and when they contract (agreeing with the uncertainty principle), that in doing so they power time. The idea of temporal causality, that cause precedes effect, only would make sense if we could determine what precedes what in an absolute sense, if we could look from outside the universe in, which BBC, in the concept of cosmic time, wants to make us believe is justified even though we cannot actually step outside of it. To regard it as an object we may imagine to observe from without only would be justified if particles only would be the source, and not also the product of their interactions.

In other words, to me ''ontological determinism'' seems to be a contradiction in terms.

Regards, Anton

Hi Mark,

Very nice essay. Gordon Watson made mention of it so I took a look. And was I happy reading? YES. I will respond by pasting excerpts and making comments immediately below.

RE: To understand the way out of the crisis, we must first understand the way in.

Agreed. How far back do we go? The crisis started much further back than the 100 years you think.

RE: The flawed concept of physical probabilities is almost inextricably tied into the foundations of quantum theory and leads directly to most of the confusion in physics.

I am 100% in with you on this, just like many others. But when someone drew a line in his geometry book and told you it had no breadth, why didn't we complain that not only was this not probable, it was impossible? Instead, we clapped and hailed this as an accomplishment. Why complain today?

RE: "Questions about what?" and "It from Bit" suggests that we should consider information theory, not physical theory, as fundamental .

I understand your sentiment being a realist myself. Not that I agree with Wheeler, completely but I think there is a genuine puzzle to solve: If you are an omnipotent and omniscient being and a naughty boy like Wheeler, knowing fully well that a question is not a material thing, asks you, "Daddy, create things FROM a question that has two answers", what will you do? What question will you ask, whose Yes or No answer can result in a thing coming from the question? Note, that you are not restricted in the kind of question to ask, so far the question has only two answers, Yes (1) or No (0). It may even be a stupid question.

If I get a reply from you, I will suggest a possible stupid question, then let me know if this question is within the rules of the puzzle.

Best regards,

Akinbo

*I will preferably want you to attempt the puzzle before reading my essay.

Dear Sir,

Your highly readable essay looks like a tutorial. You have guided the reader steo by step to reach the right conclusion. Your concluding remark: "information about reality and reality itself are different things, they must be differentiated in any theory" should be the clarion call of the day. Unfortunately, because of the mad rush to 'establish oneself', there is no time to apply discretion and everyone is building theories upon other's statements. As if there is no place for independent thinking. Unless you quote others, it is not science. We have received many enquiries about references on our essay:

"INFORMATION HIDES IN THE GLARE OF REALITY by basudeba mishra http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1776" published here on May 31, because we have not referred to any earlier work. It is original work.

Not only physicists believe in magic and are superstitious, but also reductionism has eroded their ability to link various aspects of the same subject. There are a large number of different approaches to the foundations of QM. Each approach is a modification of the theory that introduces some new aspect with new equations which need to be interpreted. Thus there are many interpretations of QM. Every theory has its own model of reality. There is no unanimity regarding what constitutes reality.

Information about reality may vary, but reality itself must be invariant. Something makes meaning only if the description remains invariant under multiple perceptions or measurements under similar conditions through a proper measurement system. Reality must be invariant under similar conditions at all times. The validity of a physical theory is judged by its correspondence to reality.

Most of our views are similar to your views. You are welcome to read and comment.

Regards,

basudeba

7 days later

Dear Sir,

Your essay is highly enjoyable reading TEACHER!, but more important, you call a spade a spade brutally. We fully agree with your views. However, to be considerate to the others, a stochastic process or event is not without a natural cause. The term indicates population parameters - the band width - leaving aside its cause, but focusing only on the effect. Hence we cannot call it supernatural or magic. But you are right - modern scientists are the biggest lot of superstitious people, who have blind faith in 'established theories' even on the face of proven contradiction and all scientific papers and books contain references to these 'established theories' and their authors in unnecessarily glorified terms to make the student superstitious. The cult of incomprehensibility not only perpetuates such superstition, but also protects it from public glare.

Mach's distinction between 'information about reality' and 'reality itself' implies observation and observable leaving aside the observer. In many threads here and elsewhere we have proved that physical reality is not observer dependent - the Moon will continue to exist when we are not looking at it and will continue to move at a predetermined rate irrespective of whether someone is observing it or not. Observation only reports its state at that instant to the observer to be stored in his memory and used for comparison with fresh impulses/data later. This makes the information limited. The probabilistic or statistical treatments do not address the problem of limitation, but build structures on limited data, which in many cases turned out to be misleading. Irrespective of the position of the observer, the coins will fall at a certain spatial orientation. That is real, because the result of the toss is invariant to all observers after taking into consideration their relative positions. The positioning of the observer only changes the report, as seen by the observer, because the 'axes' of the coordinate system change leaving the 'origin' intact. It does not change reality. This is the cause of the directional system. Something that is at our right can be at our left by changing our position.

Uncertainty is inherent in Nature because of inter-connectedness and interdependence of everything with everything else. When we try to measure something, the result of measurement will not only rest on our operation, but also the environment in which we operate. Even our measuring device and its functioning will be subject to the density fluctuations in the environment that will change the income pulse from the outgoing pulse. Heisenberg was right that "everything observed is a selection from a plentitude of possibilities and a limitation on what is possible in the future". But his logic and the mathematical format of the uncertainty principle: ε(q)η(p) ≥ h/4π are wrong.

The inequality: ε(q)η(p) ≥ h/4π or as it is commonly written: δx. δp ≥ ħ permits simultaneous determination of position along x-axis and momentum along the y-axis; i.e., δx. δpy = 0. Hence the statement that position and momentum cannot be measured simultaneously is not universally valid. Further, position has fixed coordinates and the axes are fixed arbitrarily from the origin. Position along x-axis and momentum along y-axis can only be related with reference to a fixed origin (0, 0). If one has a non-zero value, the other has indeterminate (or relatively zero) value (if it has position say x = 5 and y = 7, then it implies that it has zero momentum with reference to the origin. Otherwise either x or y or both would not be constant, but will have extension). Multiplying both position (with its zero relative momentum) and momentum of the same particle (which is possible only at a different time t1 when the particle moves), the result will always be zero. Thus no mathematics is possible between position (fixed coordinates) and momentum (mobile coordinates) as they are mutually exclusive in space and time. They do not commute. Hence, δx.δpy = 0.

Nature Physics (2012) (doi:10.1038/nphys2194) describes a neutron-optical experiment that records the error of a spin-component measurement as well as the disturbance caused on another spin-component. The results confirm that both error and disturbance obey the Masanao Ozawa's relation: ε(q)η(p) + σ(q)η(p) + σ(p)ε(q) ≥ h/4π but violate the old one in a wide range of experimental parameters. Even when either the source of error or disturbance is held to nearly zero, the other remains finite.

Quantization is opposed to inter-connectedness and interdependence. The degree of uncertainty and manipulations (contrary to mathematical principles) of Maxwell's equations also confuse everything as shown below.

The wave function is determined by solving Schrödinger's differential equation:

d2ψ/dx2 + 8π2m/h2 [E-V(x)]ψ = 0.

By using a suitable energy operator term, the equation is written as Hψ = Eψ. The way the equation has been written, it appears and taught to students as an equation in one dimension, but in reality it is a second order equation signifying a two dimensional field, as the original equation and the energy operator contain a term x2. The method of the generalization of the said Schrödinger equation in one dimension to the three spatial dimensions (adding two more equal terms by replacing x with y and z) does not stand mathematical scrutiny. A three dimensional equation is a third order equation implying volume. Addition of three areas does not generate volume [x+y+z ≠ (x.y.z)] and [x2+y2+z2 ≠ (x.y.z)]. Thus, there is no wonder that it has failed to explain spectra other than hydrogen. The so-called success in the case of helium and lithium spectra gives results widely divergent from observation.

Much before Anaxagoras, the ancient Indian Text 'Yoga Vashistha' written not later than 4000 BC, says: "Mano bhavati bhutatmaa taranga iba varidheh" - which literally means the mind itself becomes the perceived world like one wave in the sea arises after another.

Your refutation of Wheeler's views has traces of the measurement problem nicely put.

The views of Jaynes was discussed in much greater detail in the ancient Indian Text 'Gautama Sootras', whose commentary by Vatsayana is much more elaborate. We have used some of it in our essay "INFORMATION HIDES IN THE GLARE OF REALITY by basudeba mishra http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1776" published here on May 31. You are welcome to visit it.

Regards,

basudeba

10 days later
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Dear Mark,

Your course, and the lessons that can be taken from it are excellent! Well-written and critical of the right fundamental elements, with a logical presentation that's laid out so lucidly--it is a truly great contribution. '"Bit" is about "it"'. Of course it is.

I agreed with everything from your assessment of Machian epistemics, to your classical construction of quantum mechanics, to your criticism of where it all went wrong; i.e. attaching physical meaning to probabilistic outcomes. Simply put, physics got to where it is today because at the beginning of the twentieth century they were all positivists--except that they then began to surreptitiously assign some form of realistic to aspects of models that have no basis in reality.

The points in your lesson plan were laid out so clearly; e.g.,

"Furthermore, heads and tails have no meaning at all until the experiment is complete, so coins cannot be said to "have" heads or tails states. They will conclude, hopefully, that heads and tails are outcomes of the experiment. They are not properties or states of the coin; they are states of the outcome. The difference is profound."

Indeed, it is; and by the lucidity of your beautiful essay, I could clearly see the profoundness of your point already by the time I got to "... have no meaning..." The conclusion of your second class is fundamentally important.

Your re-assertion:

"Not wishing to write more lines, they will not accept that the wavefunction is in any way physical, or even directly associated with anything physical. Probability is not real"

comes at exactly the right place--just where the formalism risks being thought of as something more than a probabilistic model used to describe outcomes of (coin-toss) experiments. And you cement the right idea perfectly in what follows, clearly demonstrating what's wrong with common ideas like wavefunction "collapse".

I, like you, am at a loss to see how "law without law" could possibly make sense to anyone; how experimental outcomes could be all there is to reality. Wheeler's proposal, in the Machian tradition, is simply to try and put the cart before the horse--and it's as unrealistic as any proposal in that tradition could be; "a premium on stupidity" that "supports a supernatural view"

I give your essay a thumbs-up, interpreted on the scale of 1 to 10, which is unfortunately all I can do to combat the thumbs-downs you've received from people who obviously haven't read your incredible essay.

The scope of my essay (1820) is completely different, but it's fundamentally consistent with yours. I hope you can read and rate it, and perhaps find time to comment as well.

Best wishes in all regards,

Daryl

    Dear Mark,

    I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

    Regards and good luck in the contest,

    Sreenath BN.

    http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

    Mark,

    I was left with one big but entirely unanswered question on reading your essay. Why is is that 'IT' is much more than a 'BIT' lower down the score sheet than it should very clearly be. I seems it's not been read by many, but I think it may also be a reflection on the state of physics. As an optimist I agree;

    "...with some intellectual discipline and some retraining, we might escape this crisis."

    Indeed in my essay I suggest we're overdue for a "processor upgrade". I absolutely agree all you say, and find it brilliantly expressed and argued. I smiled at much. including; "The choice facing physics is not one of information theory versus physical theory, it is information theory plus physical theory versus information theory plus magic."

    "...probabilities express our own ignorance due to our failure to search for the real causes of physical phenomena -and worse, our failure even to think seriously about the problem."

    "(Information theory) will provide clarity to be sure, but will not and cannot produce a physical theory... A physical theory underlying quantum theory is also needed, and it is most definitely not naïve to pursue it."

    And you even end with my favourite Wheeler quote which I've found good cause to agree.

    I do hope you'll find time to read my essay, where I hope I demonstrate valuable findings from doing precisely what you propose. I've tested an ontological model from the simplest idea, but which most aren't yet quite able to grasp. I hope you will and look forward to your questions and comments.

    Congratulations on an essay that hits all important nails square on the head, saying those things few dare to suggest, and with a clear voice. It's a shame that this most promising forum has so far failed to hear the message. Perhaps this year?

    Congratulations on an excellent job, and very best of luck in the final run in.

    Peter

    Dear Mark,

    I red your essay and found it interesting.

    However, after a long time at thinking at the problem you(we) are talking about, I really think that Bohr was right. Quantum theory, that deals about the measurements, is very rich although paradoxal. Wheeler is also right in the sense of observer participancy. It means that some determinism exists in our access to reality as I show in my essay. Please have a look.

    http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1789

    Best regards,

    Michel

    4 days later

    Dear All,

    It is with utmost joy and love that I give you all the cosmological iSeries which spans the entire numerical spectrum from -infinity through 0 to +infinity and the simple principle underlying it is sum of any two consecutive numbers is the next number in the series. 0 is the base seed and i can be any seed between 0 and infinity.

    iSeries always yields two sub semi series, each of which has 0 as a base seed and 2i as the first seed.

    One of the sub series is always defined by the equation

    Sn = 2 * Sn-1 + Sigma (i=2 to n) Sn-i

    where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2 * i

    the second sub series is always defined by the equation

    Sn = 3 * Sn-1 -Sn-2

    where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2 * i

    Division of consecutive numbers in each of these subseries always eventually converges on 2.168 which is the Square of 1.618.

    Union of these series always yields another series which is just a new iSeries of a 2i first seed and can be defined by the universal equation

    Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2

    where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2*i

    Division of consecutive numbers in the merged series always eventually converges on 1.618 which happens to be the golden ratio "Phi".

    Fibonacci series is just a subset of the iSeries where the first seed or S1 =1.

    Examples

    starting iSeries governed by Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2

    where i = 0.5, S0 = 0 and S1 = 0.5

    -27.5 17 -10.5 6.5 -4 2.5 -1.5 1 -.5 .5 0 .5 .5 1 1.5 2.5 4 6.5 10.5 17 27.5

    Sub series governed by Sn = 2 * Sn-1 + Sigma (i=2 to n) Sn-i

    where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1

    0 1 2 5 13 34 ...

    Sub series governed by Sn = 3 * Sn-1 - Sn-2

    where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1

    0 1 3 8 21 55 ...

    Merged series governed by Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2 where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1

    0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 ...... (Fibonacci series is a subset of iSeries)

    The above equations hold true for any value of i, again confirming the singularity of i.

    As per Antony Ryan's suggestion, a fellow author in this contest, I searched google to see how Fibonacci type series can be used to explain Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity and found an interesting article.

    d-super.pdf"> The-Fibonacci-code-behind-superstring-theory](https://msel-naschie.com/pdf/The-Fibonacci-code-behin

    d-super.pdf)

    Now that I split the Fibonacci series in to two semi series, seems like each of the sub semi series corresponds to QM and GR and together they explain the Quantum Gravity. Seems like this duality is a commonality in nature once relativity takes effect or a series is kicked off. I can draw and analogy and say that this dual series with in the "iSeries" is like the double helix of our DNA. The only commonality between the two series is at the base seed 0 and first seed 1, which are the bits in our binary system.

    I have put forth the absolute truth in the Theory of everything that universe is an "iSphere" and we humans are capable of perceiving the 4 dimensional 3Sphere aspect of the universe and described it with an equation of S=BM^2.

    I have also conveyed the absolute mathematical truth of zero = I = infinity and proved the same using the newly found "iSeries" which is a super set of Fibonacci series.

    All this started with a simple question, who am I?

    I am drawn out of my self or singularity or i in to existence.

    I super positioned my self or I to be me.

    I am one of our kind, I is every one of all kinds.

    I am Fibonacci series in iSeries

    I am phi in zero = I = infinity

    I am 3Sphere in iSphere

    I am pi in zero = I = infinity

    I am human and I is GOD (Generator Organizer Destroyer).

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

    Well, the only thing I can say is that I "anticipated" your position in the first sentence of my Essay! It is a corollary of my logical system that disjunctions of the kind between us are inevitable, as consequences themselves of the fundamental oppositions in the universe. These disjunctions are mild and useful. Those between responsible and irresponsible people (e.g. about the environment) are much more serious, but they are similar in form.

    Best, Joseph

    Hi Mark

    Richard Feynman in his Nobel Acceptance Speech

    (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/feynman-lecture.html)

    said: "It always seems odd to me that the fundamental laws of physics, when discovered, can appear in so many different forms that are not apparently identical at first, but with a little mathematical fiddling you can show the relationship. And example of this is the Schrodinger equation and the Heisenberg formulation of quantum mechanics. I don't know why that is - it remains a mystery, but it was something I learned from experience. There is always another way to say the same thing that doesn't look at all like the way you said it before. I don't know what the reason for this is. I think it is somehow a representation of the simplicity of nature."

    I too believe in the simplicity of nature, and I am glad that Richard Feynman, a Nobel-winning famous physicist, also believe in the same thing I do, but I had come to my belief long before I knew about that particular statement.

    The belief that "Nature is simple" is however being expressed differently in my essay "Analogical Engine" linked to http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1865 .

    Specifically though, I said "Planck constant is the Mother of All Dualities" and I put it schematically as: wave-particle ~ quantum-classical ~ gene-protein ~ analogy- reasoning ~ linear-nonlinear ~ connected-notconnected ~ computable-notcomputable ~ mind-body ~ Bit-It ~ variation-selection ~ freedom-determinism ... and so on.

    Taken two at a time, it can be read as "what quantum is to classical" is similar to (~) "what wave is to particle." You can choose any two from among the multitudes that can be found in our discourses.

    I could have put Schrodinger wave ontology-Heisenberg particle ontology duality in the list had it comes to my mind!

    Since "Nature is Analogical", we are free to probe nature in so many different ways. And each of us surely must have touched some corners of it.

    Good luck and good cheers!

    Than Tin

    Dear Sir,

    This is our post to Dr. Wiliam Mc Harris in his thread. We thought it may be of interest to you.

    Mathematics is the science of accumulation and reduction of similars or partly similars. The former is linear and the later non-linear. Because of the high degree of interdependence and interconnectedness, it is no surprise that everything in the Universe is mostly non-linear. The left hand sides of all equations depict free will, as we are free to chose or change the parameters. The equality sign depicts the special conditions necessary to start the interaction. The right hand side depicts determinism, as once the parameters and special conditions are determined, the results are always predictable. Hence, irrespective of whether the initial conditions could be precisely known or not, the results are always deterministic. Even the butterfly effect would be deterministic, if we could know the changing parameters at every non-linearity. Our inability to measure does not make it chaotic - "complex, even inexplicable behavior". Statistics only provides the minimal and maximal boundaries of the various classes of reactions, but never solutions to individual interactions or developmental chains. Your example of "the deer population in Northern Michigan", is related to the interdependence and interconnectedness of the eco system. Hence it is non-linear.

    Infinities are like one - without similars. But whereas the dimensions of one are fully perceived, the dimensions of infinities are not perceptible. (We have shown in many threads here without contradiction that division by zero is not infinite, but leaves a number unchanged.) We do not know the beginning or end of space (interval of objects) or time (interval of events). Hence all mathematics involving infinities are void. But they co-exist with all others - every object or event exists in space and time. Length contraction is apparent to the observer due to Doppler shift and Time dilation is apparent due to changing velocity of light in mediums with different refractive index like those of our atmosphere and outer space.

    Your example of the computation of evolutionary sequence of random numbers omits an important fact. Numbers are the inherent properties of everything by which we differentiate between similars. If there are no similars, then it is one; otherwise many. Many can be 2,3,...n depending upon the sequence of perceptions leading to that number. Often it happens so fast that we do not realize it. But once the perception of many is registered in our mind, it remains as a concept in our memory and we can perceive it even without any objects. When you use "a pseudorandom number generator to generate programs consisting of (almost) random sequences of numbers", you do just that through "comparison and exchange instructions". You develop these by "inserting random minor variations, corresponding to asexual mutations; second, by 'mating' parent programs to create a child program, i.e., by splicing parts of programs together, hoping that useful instructions from each parent occasionally will be inherited and become concentrated" and repeat it "thousands upon thousands of time" till the concept covers the desired number sequences. Danny Hillis missed this reasoning. Hence he erroneously thought "evolution can produce something as simple as a sorting program which is fundamentally incomprehensible". After all, computers are GIGO. Brain and Mind are not redundant.

    Much has been talked about sensory perception and memory consolidation as composed of an initial set of feature filters followed by a special class of mathematical transformations which represent the sensory inputs generating interacting wave-fronts over the entire sensory cortical area - the so-called holographic processes. It can explain the almost infinite memory. Since a hologram retains the complete details at every point of its image plane, even if a small portion of it is exposed for reconstruction, we get the entire scene, though the quality is impaired. Yet, unlike an optical hologram, the neural hologram is formed by very low frequency post-synaptic potentials providing a low information processing capacity to the neural system. Further, the distributed memory mechanisms are not recorded randomly over the entire brain matter, as there seems to be preferred locations in the brain for each sensory input.

    The impulses from the various sensory apparatus are carried upwards in the dorsal column or in the anterio-lateral spinothalamic tract to the thalamus, which relays it to the cerebral cortex for its perception. At any moment, our sense organs are bombarded by a multitude of stimuli. But only one of them is given a clear channel to go up to the thalamus and then to the cerebral cortex at any instant, so that like photographic frames, we perceive one frame at an instant. Unlike the sensory apparatuses that are subject specific, this happens for all types of impulses. The agency that determines this subject neutral channel, is called mind, which is powered by the heart and lungs. Thus, after the heart stops beating, mind stops its work.

    However, both for consolidation and retrieval of sensory information, the holographic model requires a coherent source which literally 'illuminates' the object or the object-projected sensory information. This may be a small source available at the site of sensory repository. For retrieval of the previously consolidated information, the same source again becomes necessary. Since the brain receives enormous information that is present for the whole life, such source should always be illuminating the required area in the brain where the sensory information is stored. Even in dream state, this source must be active, as here also local memory retrieval and experience takes place. This source is the Consciousness.

    Regards,

    mbasudeba@gmail.com

    Mark,

    Probability is not real. And it has turned many physicists into mystery mongers of a new religion. I am paraphrasing you and amplifying. Your essay is refreshing and to the point. If you do get time look at http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1823. I present the history of how we got stuck with the uncertainty principle. I think you will like.

    I like your essay and it gets my vote.

    Thanks,

    Don L.

    Mark - what an outstanding essay. Full marks!

    The first page and halfway through the second page read like a rant from a frustrated physicist. However it got better, much better, after that. By the end of the essay, I felt like I had an education in probability I should have had 25 years ago.

    You adroitly articulated what many of us are so frustrated by in Quantum Theory. Even for people like me who (shamefully) was once formally trained in the subject, and never questioned it for half his career. I think you hit the nail on the head. We really must teach people a solid foundation in probability theory before we let them loose on anything to do with quantum.

    Although I often use the math in engineering problems, I don't think it was until I took Daphne Koller's online class in Probabilistic Graphical Models at Stanford that I finally got the message that you also so succinctly presented to me today. Thank you for that. Thank you also for the reference to Fenetti with that wonderfully insightful quote. I will order that book today. You might also read Richard Feynman's nice essay on "The Concept of Probability in Quantum Mechanics" at Cornell.

    One aspect I might wish to argue with you on is regarding causality (and the implication of the title of your essay). I believe an important distinction is missing: between something having or not having a root cause (with its conceptual hierarchy of turtles all the way down - Bertrand Russell and Huw Price's argument) and the "direction" of causality, which is influenced by the preparation of an experiment which includes time reversibility. I mentioned this in my essay, where I tried to provide a different perspective on how, even with a well defined ontology, this can still "appear" random.

    Good luck in the contest.

    Kind regards, Paul

    5 days later

    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for an excellent essay, informative and very well written!

    I agree with you that we should search for realistic models for QM, and explain the related contextuality.

    As you insist that Bit must come from It, I wonder what you think of the possibility of a computable formulation for physics: in other words, that we might find the laws of physics could be described by reference to specific computations. If we do, then would we be right to say the "It"s of the physical arise from "Bit"s below? Or should we shift our idea of the "ground of being" down to the substrate of that computation?

    Developing such a computable view is the thrust of my essay, Software Cosmos which describes how the simulation paradigm explains many observational puzzles in cosmology. I hope you get a chance to take a look.

    Hugh