Jim,

One even more basic feature to keep in mind is that as predatory creatures, we are very focus oriented, with our eyes in the front of our head. So we are biased toward a very linear view of reality. Reality, on the other hand, is non-linear. So we are a single entity moving through a dynamic ecosystem. Therefore we are generally focused on singular aspects of this reality, like particular objects, events, processes, measurements, concepts, etc, rather than just being generally aware of the situation. Yes, this leads us to the complex understanding of reality that has created human civilization, but, like the spinning planet, introduces particular biases into our thought processes at a foundational level. Consider how plants essentially just expand outward and prey animals have eyes on the sides of their heads to give them greater situational awareness and while they possess far less analytical abilities, generally have faster reaction times. Now consider how we think of the more contextual side of our minds, the instinctual and emotional, in terms of the heart and the gut. As a pump, the heart is constantly expanding and contracting, creating a rhythmic cycle, while the gut is our own internal ecosystem.

So we are constantly trying to distill this dynamic reality around us and in us into some narrative/linear sequence in order to understand it. Thus the primacy of the temporal effect.

Now this is not to say we shouldn't try thinking linearly, but a lot of these conundrums would make more sense, not vanish, but make more sense, if we begin to understand our forward, focal bias in context.

Regards,

John M

John,

"but, like the spinning planet, introduces particular biases into our thought processes at a foundational level."

I agree, the spinning planet does introduce particular biases in our thought processes at a foundational level.

Jim,

Though what limits us, also defines us. Take away all biases, lens, limits, mediums, contexts, etc. and you just have a flatline.

Nothing and everything can seem the same, when it all balances out.

Chasing infinities isn't necessarily the shortest route to absolutes, but it is still educational.

Regards, John M

20 days later

John,

Our reality is a spinning planet. The Earth`s constant rotational motion and it`s environmental effects, are provable, natural, and right.

When we sleep, we break conscious contact with `time` and the Earth`s rotational position. The first thing we do when we awake, is to check the `time`, the Earth`s current rotational position. I imagine many of us have a clock in the bedroom.

We assume that `time` itself is passing, rather than assume that it`s only a case of duration elapsing.

We do have the choice to assume either.

As you said earlier, "the spinning planet, introduces particular biases into our thought processes at a foundational level."

Jim,

I think the effect of being awake is that it focuses our consciousness in one direction and that when we are asleep the various parts of our awareness tend to start interacting. That there is a natural element of schizophrenia to our sub-conscious that bubbles up in our sleep.

'All for one, one for all."

Physically, socially, culturally there are an incredible number of factors which make us who and what we are. We are our definition. Start picking at that structure and it can get quite interesting. Not always in a good way. You start to understand why people cling so totally to belief systems which seem ludicrous from another perspective. Yet we do have to keep exploring who and what we are, or stagnate and die anyway.

Regards,

John M

7 days later

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  • Post #186

The equations of Quantum Mechanics are time symmetric [if you are pedantic, QPT symmetric!]. As such, deciding between cause and effect may be just a matter of convention.

Consider a pair of >0.511 GeV photons colliding. There is a chance of creating an electron-positron pair. Subsequently, the positron from one of these creation events, encounters another electon and they annihilate to a pair of photons.

Did the creation of of the positron cause the subsequent annihilation event? OR was the annihilation event the cause of the prior creation of the positron?

    David,

    The problem is time is an effect of change, not the cause of it. Energy exchange is cause, not sequence. Sequence is pattern. One wave doesn't cause the next, nor did yesterday cause today. Wind across the water and the sun shining on a rotating planet create these sequences of temporal patterns.

    It's not that the present "moves" from past to future, but this constantly changing reality turns future/potential into past/residual, as form emerges and dissolves.

    So all we have are patterns emerging from 360 degrees of cause and fading as the process continues.

    Regards,

    John M

    11 days later

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    • Post #188

    Does time exist because the universe is being created moment to moment by the action of the the subatomic world, that brings together all that we experience?

    Like pixels on a TV screen, the atoms interact to create the forms that appear and disappear but only the "screen" exists. The arrow of time is the Unierse' tendency to create stabie matter.

      Barry,

      "Like pixels on a TV screen, the atoms interact to create the forms that appear and disappear but only the "screen" exists."

      Basically.

      The problem is that as individual beings, we exist as particular points of reference, so we experience a sequence of subjective events(past to future) and it is only when we step back and observe the spectrum of activity creating and dissolving these occurrences(future becoming past) that the process is more real than the narrative.

      Physics loses sight of this dichotomy when it focuses on what can be measured, so then time becomes units of duration, rather than the dynamic activities being measured. Measures of distance and duration are quite similar, whether you are measuring between crests of waves(distance), or the rate they pass a mark(duration), it seems only matter of whether the unit is extended, or moving in extension, but one is a basis of action and one is an effect of action. Yet if you only think of it as past to future, it has no physical explanation, no dynamic, since that is the process of future becoming past. Then the only obvious connection becomes this similarity between measures of duration and distance, so you have 'spacetime,' with its 'blocktime' interpretation of events existing in this eternal geometry.

      Regards,

      John M

      3 years later

      Let us imagine a fish in a pond . The fish can see the grass roots rotating when it reach a swirling area of the pond. If it goes deep down, then it will feel an increase in pressure of surrounding. So the condition of water causes the feelings in a fish. In our very big universe , we also live in a pocket where the space fluid around us is swirling to give a picture of planetary orbits. Einstein call this curvature of space. We do not know what are the constituents of the super fluid around us. We also feel a pressure like fish and call it gravity. Newton gave us equation to calculate gravitational effect and that works for our day to day observations. The action of gravity at a distance is unwanted proposition and thinking gravity as long distance force between bodies may not be required. Einstein just considered curvature of space effect as gravity. Then why the concept of any force effect or rather potential in space or gravitational field. There is no logic except for may be default calculations of tensors. The simple concept of gravity has been complicated . Then comes the idea of a quantum gravity marrying with GR of Einstein. Both the theories have their own flaws in visualizing concept of time. How they can be married without a understanding of time. No body ever thought of gravity as emergent force at two levels. One is classical at molecular level and other at quantum at Planck level in reaction with color charge quarks. Graviton has been wrongly prescribed without mass by standard model . But graviton has mass and it is performing the directional push at molecular level for classical gravity and again mono magnetic coupling effects with quarks inside proton and neutron for quantum effects. The out come is that we do not have to assume a strong nuclear force and gluons for keeping the quarks together. There is no strong nuclear force but quantum gravity serve the purpose. For that we require 750 proton mass for a graviton and a mono magnetic coupling. The whole outlook on two profile emergent gravity mechanism will change our understanding of the universe. I am attaching a paper for interested scientists and truth seekers to come out from the concept of gravitational waves and LIGO SCIENTISTS MAY BE INTERESTED TO STUDY FURTHER THE RIPPLES THEY WRONGLY DESCRIBING GRAVITATIONAL WAVES AND TO UNCOVER TRUE NATURE OF QUANTUM GRAVITY.Attachment #1: 5_New_Physics_with_Emergent_Gravity_Mechanism._1.doc