Hi Ken (and Howard),

As an addendum to the things I mentioned above, what occurred to me while reading Howard's comments was that, in a nutshell, I think we're overcomplicating things by missing the obvious. I know the retrocausal approach has become quite popular, but, again, it seems to be based on a certain set of notions that we seem to be clinging to for dear life --- the time-symmetric nature of modern physical theories, the absolute correctness of the Standard Model, etc. --- and I have no idea why. Again, I don't think the Standard Model needs replacing. I just see it like I see most theories: it is a highly accurate description of a limited set of phenomena. [And for the sake of people who don't want to go digging for my other comments, relativity is simply not time-symmetric. There's a neat little gedankenexperiment that you can do with a type of light clock that shows that if you run it backwards you don't get the Minkowski metric. You only get it if you run it forward in time.]

Ian

*Lifshitz. Sorry. I think it was him and not Landau, but he was talking about Landau as well, I believe. It's been a while since I read that, though. By the way, I'm not thinking of geodesic incompleteness, anymore than there is geodesic completeness past the coord singularity in dS space, described in those coords.

Hi Wharton,

I like the trend that this essay encompasses about not dwelling on the spacetime view of things and also its emphasis on returning to the big picture. It put some critical controversies in history in a more viewable, and relate-able, light.

Thanks,

Amos.

    Dear Professor Wharton

    Do you have opinion about my essay?

    Yuri

    Ken,

    We agree. In my "It's Great to be the King" I tend to satirically rebuke the Anthropic Principle, especially "It from Bit.

    For example, you say, "where everything about the present was encoded in some initial cosmic wavefunction," I deny the existence of consciousness w/o a body during the BB and bodies not possibly existent until 1 billion years after the BB after heavier-element stars.

    The connection between consciousness and reality and the subatomic and the macro worlds I say are philosophical / metaphysical with their arguments. They are confused in attributing similar behavior to micro and macro, much like your concept: "case quantum information can plausibly be about something real . Instead of winning the argument by default, then, \It from Bit" proponents now need to argue that it's Better to give up reality. Everyone else need simply embrace entities that fill ordinary spacetime - no matter how you slice it."

    Thanks for a well-thought-out read. I am interested in seeing your thoughts on my essay.

    Jim

      Dear prof. Wharton,

      Your statement, "with no objective 'now', there is no objective line between the past and the future", indicates the causality of "microhistory", and implies discrete-time.

      With this, dynamic time evolution in configuration space is adapted in string-matter continuum scenario, in that one-dimensional observer for one-dimensional source is ascribed to express the emergence of other dimensions with realistic information continuum rather than probabilistic that indicates the observational plausibility of real-time information continuum on molecular dynamics of simplex in linear time with reference to holarchical discrete time.

      With best regards,

      Jayakar

        Cont..

        I am interested on your essay and my best wishes to you. - Jayakar

        Dear Ken Wharton,

        Just to let you know I have read your essay which I found really interesting and very clearly explained.I like the way you linked your discussion with the essay question making it highly relevant. Nice helpful diagram too

        Good luck, Regards Georgina

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          Hi Ken,

          I hope the familiar greeting is OK. We met during the program review for SJSU a few years back maybe more than 5 years now). Anyway I may be back at SDSU this fall since Alej and I have agreed to exchange colloquium talks.

          A very nice and deep essay -- not all parts of which I agree with -- but it bears careful reading and thinking about.

          At the beginning of the essay you take a holistic view that one must view space-time in 4D blocks rather than 3D slices which one dynamically evolves forward. (By the way if you are teaching intro algebra based physics don't let your students get their hands on this essay since otherwise when you move from kinematics in the first few weeks of the course to dynamics some student will misrepresent your point and say "But Prof. Wharton in your essay you say dynamics isn't important".) This is reminiscent of a Wick rotation where one goes from Minkowski to Euclidean space by letting t-->it. One question I had in this regard is that there is some real difference between Minkowski and Euclidean space or more directly between spatial and temporal coordinates. Given enough time it is always possible to reach any spatial coordinate starting from x=0 -- either x=-N or x=+N. However starting from t=0 one can only access t>0. There are some subtle issues with this as your figure 1 indicates in terms of the relativity of simultaneity but essentially an observer can equally access left and right (unless one breaks parity symmetry) but past and future are not so equally accessible. I'm not sure if this is crucial to your argument or if it is already addressed in some way but it was something that I thought about.

          Next I had a technical question in regard to you example in figure 2 (I did not see where this example was going until the nice connection with the two slit experiment in figure 3). In the example in figure 2 you use 3 colors, but it seems you could use either 4 or 2. 4 colors would seem to work in the following way: blue for H-H, green for T-T, red for H-T and yellow for T-H (i.e. the order of the opposite pair matters). 2 colors would seem to work in the following way: blue for H-H and T-T (i.e. the same color for both like pairs) and red for H-T and T-H. Would this change anything or would it simple alter the numerical values of the different probabilities you calculate?

          Actually I have a few more comments/questions but will stop here. I should say the point that I disagree with is the statement "photons behave in a way that disagrees with the dynamical Maxwell equations". Actually this statement is correct but also we know that classical Maxwell's equations are superseded by the quantum version of Maxwell's equations i.e. QED. And in regard to QED there has yet to be any deviation between experiment and theory -- photons as far as we have tested behave exactly as predicted by QED. Some time ago there was some excitement when it appeared that there was a deviation between the calculated g-2 for the electron and/or muon and the experimental value. The deviation was jumped on as evidence for supersymmetry (supersymmetric particles were ignored in the calculation and including them with some given mass made the agreement better). However in the end it was found there was a mistake in the calculation which involved 5 or 6 loop Feynman diagrams!!) which when it was fixed brought agreement between theory and experiment. This does not really have too much bearing on your main thesis which deals with foundational issues rather than using the structure of quantum field theory to make calculations.

          Anyway a thought provoking essay.

          Best,

          Doug

            Thanks, Doug! Yes, I definitely remember you... Looking forward to your seminar at SJSU!

            I'll let you know if I spark any dynamics-mutinies for my physics students... But my quantum students still seem to manage to learn how to do QM despite my occasional claim that none of this is what's really going on, so I think I should be safe on that count... :-)

            On your first comment, I'm not claiming that time and space are identical in all regards, but I'm still not quite sure about your argument here. The sentence "from t=0 one can only access t>0" has the word "access", which is already time- and causality-ladened, and doesn't have a good physics translation. If you mean "have worldlines that extend to" by "access", then this isn't true.

            I guess one can complain that the past "isn't accessible", but if by "access" you mean experience-forward-in-time, then this is simply a tautology. If I defined the word "flerb" to mean a translation in the +x direction, then starting from x=0 one can only flerb to x>0. (As for why our experience has an arrow, that's a second-law-related issue, partially addressed in some of my replies to Ian Durham above.)

            On your technical question, the key is to break the symmetry, or else all the probabilities are always equal. (Both of those examples you gave would lead to 50% probabilities for both diagrams, it turns out. Squaring 1:1 is still 1:1.) But you could do it with 4 colors, so long as (say) 3 colors were matched with H-H and T-T, or any other uneven setup.

            As for whether one should even "expect" photons to adhere to Maxwell's equations, well, perhaps I'm coming at this from a 1905-perspective right now (see the piece just posted at arxiv.org/abs/1307.7744 to see what I'm talking about here). But I'm far more happy with the guts of QED than I am QM itself; I think it's the path-integral version of the former that has the best chance for a realistic interpretation (at least if one permits some modification).

            I'm glad you found the essay thought-provoking! I know a bit about your work concerning the path integral, and I hope that you keep playing around with it, perhaps with some of these ideas in mind. From my perspective, the path integral is the ridiculously-neglected stepchild of quantum foundations, and certainly deserves more attention in general.

            Best,

            Ken

            Dear prof Ken,

            Am wondering if you could find the time to read What a Wavefunction is It probably looks like a wild claim. But it just may not be. I have a download and am going to read your essay. And i'll be back here to rate. But I'll appreciate if you could read and comment on mine. The text may be hard-going. The physics should interest you.

            I define the observer as "wavefunction" or "configuration space".

            Best,

            Chidi

            Ken - I have downloaded and am reading your other paper now. I am very familiar with Huw Price's work, and especially the book "Times Arrow and Archimedes' Point".

            I would be honored to hear your thoughts on the potential unreality of Minkowski space in my essay, and perhaps the novel perspective of entanglement in 1 dimension of time/space. Please make sure to download the corrected version (V1.1a) - from the comments section. http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1897

            I look forward to an on-going dialog.

            Kind regards, Paul

            Hi Ian,

            I'm about to move this to email, but briefly, on your two points:

            1) Fully agreed; but as long as probability is about some underlying reality, that level is not fundamental. Sure, one could have stochastic dynamical laws, which could be fundamentally CPT-asymmetrical, but it seems to me quite unnatural to explain evident particle-physics-level CPT-symmetries in terms of even deeper CPT-asymmetries. (For example, there would be no link between such deeper stochastic CPT-asymmetries and the higher-level thermodynamic CPT-asymmetries without new physics on the intermediate particle-physics-level. And since we know of no CPT-asymmetric processes on this level, either this path forward *is* implying new physics, or just multiplying the asymmetric/symmetric mysteries without explanatory benefit.)

            2) I think your phrase "drop the basic notion of cause and effect" is entirely the point. That's the extra piece people mentally add into SR and GR to make it seem time-asymmetric. But it's an extra piece, without referent in the actual theory of relativity.

            Cheers!

            Ken

            Hi Daryl,

            I'm glad we got a chance to meet this week -- thanks for the interesting conversations!

            And while our disagreements *have existed*, I'm under the impression that we have fewer disagreements that *exist*, and who knows, perhaps no major disagreements *will exist* at some point.

            (Or, in my language, maybe we "are" converging. :-)

            Best,

            Ken

            Hi Ian,

            The retrocausal approach is "quite popular"?!! I'd take that as good news if I believed you... :-)

            Also, there's a difference between holding CPT symmetry as a nice empirically-grounded principle, and thinking that the Standard Model is "absolutely correct". I'm definitely not in the latter camp.

            I'll shoot you an email next week.

            Ken

            Hi Mikalai,

            I'll try to get to your essay, but my time is running out... In response to your point about "time-space symmetry", you might find some useful discussion with Ian and Daryl above.

            Best,

            Ken

            Thanks for the nice comment, William! (Although I thought I *was* dwelling on the spacetime view...?)

            Best,

            Ken

            Hi Jim,

            I'm afraid I don't understand the connections you're talking about there, so I'm not sure we're "agreeing" about the same things...

            Best,

            Ken

            Hi Jayakar,

            I'm not dead-set against discrete time, but if you dig up my entry for two contests ago (Digitial vs. Analog) you'll see why I'm more in the continuum camp. I think it was called "Quantum Theory without Quantization".

            Best,

            Ken