Marina,

I really wish I had read your essay sooner. As a non-physicist (I'm an attorney, but deeply interested in the subjects of physics, information, and reality), I found my head 'spinning' with some of the more technical essays that were beyond my comprehension. However, I was struck by the clarity of logic and your exceptionally smooth writing style. I was also very impressed with you open-minded thinking and willingness to stretch the boundaries of 'traditional' thought in the field of physics (which, I believe is the foundation upon which FQXI is built, and one of the stated purposes of the contest!)

I was very impressed with your essay and have rated it accordingly. Marina, even if you don't get an opportunity to read and evaluate my essay in the next couple of days, I would ask that you do so later on. I would very much appreciate the opportunity to correspond with some of the more open-minded individuals who have a background in physics in the future.

Best to you in the future, and if you are so inclined, let's keep in touch.

Sincerely,

Ralph

    Patrick

    Brendan Foster asked today in his blog to report such incidents to him directly, via his email: foster at fqxi dot org.

    Brednan's blog : http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1589

    Ralph

    Thank you so much for your kind comments, especially about my writing style. English is not my native language; and my long-standing ambition was to learn to effectively communicate in it. So your compliments in this regard are very dear to me :)

    I'm looking forward to reading your essay now. Yes, I would love to stay in touch and my understanding is that this forum will be opened until the final announcements, which is in the end of the year.

    -Marina

    Hi Marina,

    > In this regard, have you read the beautiful essay by Prof. D'Ariano? What is your opinion on it?

    I liked it a lot, and I see several parallels with my picture. I need to study it more, but I hope I might be able to combine his low level approach with my more high-level one.

    > That's a good analogy/graphical representation of spacetime on quantum level. no? :)

    I like the tapestry image. Have you read Kevin Knuth's essay? He has what seems a similar idea.

    > Definitely, yours is a very interesting, stimulating and deserving a high rank essay.

    Thank you so much!

    Hugh

    Dear Marina

    Before I answered your questions on my essay, I wanted to read yours before the deadline...

    And what a beautiful essay it is!

    Acknowledging that plants smell the air and hear sounds! Few people know this.

    And I LOVE the statement:

    "Why, even a jagged rock rising from the surface of a lifeless planet absorbs sun's energy during the day, stores it, and then radiates as heat into its environment at night. How is this not a participation in the universe?"

    I see this as a subtle jab at the measurement problem, which I see as a huge problem because the process of a photon being absorbed by a rhodopsin molecule in my eye cannot possibly be different than if I had dribbled some rhodopsin on the rock and the photon was absorbed there! Yet in QM, one case we have a measurement and in the other case an interaction.

    You are right! The rock participates just as I do!

    Now your view of information is different than mine. I do not see the rock as processing information about the photon. I agree that it participates, but not that it processes information. I have come to appreciate a definition of information that I heard from Ariel Caticha: "Information is that which changes one's beliefs". I have beliefs because I model the world, and my sensory input changes this model. The robots in my lab have beliefs and they process information. I don't know about rocks. I would suspect that they don't do this.

    I really like the beautiful picture you paint:

    "The recursive loop of the `participatory scheme' above implies that reality is a local phenomenon, perpetually generated anew, emerging as the result of exchange of information between all participants."

    Your "democratic universe" is much more appealing!

    And I appreciate that you move away from the universe as a computer. As you know, I think about it more like a network. But your idea of a cellular automata is not so different. I think the main difference is that a CA usually exists embedded within some pre-existing framework: the bits in computer memory, squares on a screen, or points in spacetime. I believe that the network generates spacetime. There is no need for a substrate.

    I also loved this statement:

    "In real life, openly professing the belief that you can make things happen by mere looking at them is enough to land you in a psychiatric ward. Not so in sciences - and not just physics - where expanding on the idea, in a learned manner, may earn you a Ph.D. instead."

    And what are the laypeople to think on hearing this? Who precisely has lost their mind? Does the rock on your barren planet look at the sunlight? What about the rhodopsin molecule that actually does the work of absorbing the photon? Something is very wrong here --- perhaps someone should notify psychiatry.

    And you continue with:

    " It's more like being charged with the task of observing flies while blindfolded and with a swatter for the sensor."

    This is a wonderful analogy for a QM experiment!

    I have never heard this (very funny):

    "As the popular Russian expression goes, `let us try and keep flies separate from hamburgers'."

    You could just swat them with your QMical fly swatter! But then you would be left with both a physical mess *and* a conceptual mess!

    What a wonderful essay!

    I commend you for staying on task and discussing the role of information, and doing so both elegantly and with a unique perspective.

    You mentioned in your comments on my essay that you were perhaps inspired by what you had read in mine. However, I do not quite see it. Whatever information you received from me, you have processed it and made it your very own. As my friend Carlos Rodriguez says "We do not live in a vacuum". In a very real sense, there are dense recursive interactions to the point where at times it becomes difficult to say "my ideas". I love your democratic universe where we all participate! Thank you again for a wonderful essay!

      Marina,

      I was just a little disappointed to have no reply to my above post, or comment on my blog. Georgina and others did point out the abstract was dense and offputting, but that the essay was very readable. Embarrasingly flattering blog comments include such as; groundbreaking", "significant", "astonishing", "fantastic", "wonderful", "remarkable!", "superb", etc.

      I hope they may temp you to bypass the abstract as I'd be interested in your opinions. I recall that your 'recursive loops' sounded like a beautiful description of my own very similar derivation, which I hope shows hope.

      I do find comments after the scoring deadline equally valuable to those before so please don't feel under any pressure at all for now.

      I do hope your essay survives the final 'shuffle torture'.

      Very best wishes

      Peter

        Dear Marina,

        I enjoyed reading your essay. You made a profound analysis of information, a compelling case for why "it" is more fundamental than "bit". A beautiful journey through Wheeler's "it from bit", participatory universe and "whence the quantum", pointed by original and interesting ideas.

        Best regards,

        Cristi Stoica

          Dear Marina,

          After reading some of your comments on the main FQXI blog just now, I feel it is necessary to add a few comments to yesterday's post I made regarding your essay.

          First, I want you to know that I stand by everything I wrote yesterday. I do wish I had read your essay sooner, I was and still am very impressed with your essay, and I did rate it accordingly, and I am very happy that I did so.

          However, today I read your comments to Lev, "All the unethical behavior here comes exclusively from the minority of the non-professional participants. I noticed Philip Gibbs flatly refusing discussing posts even mentioning ratings. That's a good policy to adopt."

          I was unaware that we had access to the behavior of the participants. However, because I am a non-professional participant and because I posted to you that I was very impressed with your essay and 'rated it accordingly,' I am now concerned that you may think I was being inappropriate in my comments. I am also quite frustrated with the obvious 'stealth bombing' of unidentified entrants and the thinly veiled 'blind date' requests. I also find it disheartening to observe the various alliances and warring factions that sometimes barely simmer below the surface, leading to both inflated and unreasonably low scores on both sides. Some non-professional entries such as mine end up being used for target practice by both sides or as collateral damage, because they have no allegiance to a particular camp.

          Personally, I think (quite strongly) that every vote cast by every participant should be completely open for all to see. I also think that each vote cast should be coupled with the voter's comment on why they voted the way they did. The rules of how the contest was to be judged were very specific and quite clear; requiring the entrants to explain their vote in light of the rules would create a much more level field surrounded by the boundaries of accountability.

          It was for this reason I stated to you what I did. I wanted you to know that I rated your essay based upon my honest and genuine evaluation of it. I have steadfastly avoided rating essays I didn't comprehend, although I could have rationalized a low score based on the parameters in the rules that essays were supposed to be written towards an audience aiming in the range of the educated general public who read Scientific American, etc. I also avoided rating essays containing conclusions I disagreed with, because I didn't want the fact that I was prejudiced against their conclusion to negatively influence my vote. But I felt (and still do) that it was appropriate to let an entrant know when I thought highly of their essay, what it was about their essay that I thought was good, and that I had rated it according to my evaluation. It was in this spirit that I posted to you what I did. It was also for this reason that I stated that I did not care whether you read or rated my essay in the next couple of days, but hoped that you would eventually read it.

          I also read your comment to Manuel, ". . . I saw people leaving comments in the blogs a month or even two after the final announcements. So, why would you want to discuss it elsewhere? Let others benefit from your insightful comments and maybe join the discussion with their input. This is the place to do it." Because I mentioned that, if you were so inclined, that we might keep in touch in the future, I want you to know that I am more than happy to limit any correspondence between us on the FQXI forum.

          I wish to make clear that I respect your views and in fact, find myself in agreement of much of what you have posted. I simply wanted to clarify my position to you.

          Again, I wish you the very best.

          Sincerely,

          Ralph

          Wow..

          Dear Professor Knuth,

          I can't relate how much I appreciate your positive feedback! Humbled, now I wish I began writing it much earlier and did a better job. Your encouragement set me up to aim for higher standards. Next time!

          It's true, not many people know about plants, how they 'perceive' the world around them. I did not have time to include the reference to 'What a Plant Knows' by the renown biologist Daniel Chamovitz. But I think many people here may be familiar with it, since it has been promoted by Scientific American. A wonderful book.

          And you are right, a rock does not process information but only contributes to its pool by generating it by the virtue of its participation. What is information is much clearer to me now, having read so many essays in the last weeks.

          You have robots in your lab? What did you program them to feel and want out of their robotic life? lol

          I'm relieved that you did not mind me poking fun at the Copenhagen interpretation and quantum measurement problem and actually found it funny. I was worried that people in academia may be put off by the very unacademic style with which my intended criticism was presented. Phew! It's good to know that physics professors have a good sense of humor :)

          Thank you again for your review (I will cherish it!) and for answering my question about the difference between your research and CA. I wish you good luck in your science career. You have very interesting ideas and unusual take on things.

          -Marina

          Dear Marina,

          I have now finished reviewing all 180 essays for the contest and appreciate your contribution to this competition.

          I have been thoroughly impressed at the breadth, depth and quality of the ideas represented in this contest. In true academic spirit, if you have not yet reviewed my essay, I invite you to do so and leave your comments.

          You can find the latest version of my essay here:

          http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/Borrill-TimeOne-V1.1a.pdf

          (sorry if the fqxi web site splits this url up, I haven't figured out a way to not make it do that).

          May the best essays win!

          Kind regards,

          Paul Borrill

          paul at borrill dot com

          Thank you Cristi for your positive review! I also enjoyed your essya and have replied in your bog :)

          Apologies,

          I posted on 5th. You are indeed correct. There was no ill intention. I nearly saw my previous comment was that date and thought the recent bug had caused a lost comment to you.

          Peter

          sorry I took so long to reply. There is so much going on, so many essays to read and discuss.. Naturally, I was mostly drawn to ones where I could find input for the ideas dear to my heart, and that is my 4D universe, which, we both know, you find out of touch with 'reality'. But reality is what we perceive, not necessarily what is -- that it vs bit thingy again :)

          But I read and rated your essay long time ago and am glad that, as usual, you're doing great!

          I don't expect my essay to survive the final 'shuffle torture' lol I am surprised that it's been bobbing at the cutoff boundary for so long and lately even advanced into the coveted by so many territory. But I'm glad that this served to bring some positive attention to my writing style, despite the haste with which I cocked up my entry. That's the part that is important to me. I do not see myself as a physicist but maybe only a promoter of interesting ideas. In any case, regarding the final shuffle, I am a strong believer in community's ability to always set things right in the end.

          Thank you for relating to me Georgina's sincere comments. It is very true, I always leave the abstract for last and this time there was simply no time to fix its many problems. She is absolutely right.

          Not sure what this refers to: "Embarrasingly flattering blog comments include such as; groundbreaking", "significant", "astonishing", "fantastic", "wonderful", "remarkable!", "superb", etc. " It's certainly has nothing to do with my essay lol so it must be yours. Perhaps I should give it another read, cause the first time I did not notice anything of the sort. But maybe this is because, invariably, reading your essays makes me feel as if I had too much coffee -- I just get mental jitters that culminate in a stiff headache lol.

          It's been a tradition to see your essay at the top throughout the competition and after the final shuffle and I congratulate you in this remarkable achievement also in this year.

          Bravo!

          -Marina

          Ralph

          thank you for your positive feedback!

          And don't worry. I read your essay but because its content lied outside my current main interest (that mainly consists of weird ideas concerning some aspects of 4D topology and up) I was fishing for input for these ideas in other blogs, while people who could help me with them were still here. From my past experience, most people vanish the very next day after the finals. So, selfishly perhaps, I was following my own interests. It should have had no bearing on you.

          I'll be glad to discuss your essay later,

          -Marina

          Marina,

          Thank you for your reply. I don't intend to vanish the day after the finals (however, if I succeed in doing so I will immediately apply for a patent . . .)

          Good luck in the finals!

          Ralph

          Dear Marina,

          I am truly sorry, and ashamed to say that I haven't yet read either of your essays in the two contests I've been involved in. I just read through a good chunk of the comments here, and tomorrow I'm going to read this essay and send feedback. Anticipating that I'm going to like it a lot, I'm disappointed in myself for not getting to it earlier.

          Best regards,

          Daryl

            Thanks Daryl

            not a big deal, it could have been better. It was an experiment. And I read your essay and all your comments on Ken Wharton's blog. I thought you were right.

            Now that ratings are over you can give me your sincere feedback, ah? I like sincere feedback :)

            Take care!

            Dear Marina,

            I'm glad the ratings are over too. As my reply above states, I found that a lot of comments I'd posted around the end of July to beginning of August had vanished. I panicked and wanted to let all the recent authors I'd commented on that I'd rated them with nice words, as I'd put a LOT of hard work in. So I typed a quick message or copy pasted from mine, hence the repeat "Dr" mistake! ;)

            I genuinely made a mistake from my notes as to when I rated you!

            Your response is understandable on your part, but upset me a little because this isn't in my nature. I have copied others by telling people that I've rated them highly, as I thought that was the general thing to do. I will not do this in future, as I agree we shouldn't talk about scores on here. As for group collaboration away from the site - that sounds pretty worrying and I agree that needs to stop. Perhaps future contests they should not show positions or ratings?

            Anyway, no hard feelings on my part, as I said I'm not like that. Also, I must disagree with your closing comment. I think both your essay and mine do deserve to be high up. After all our initial comments to each other are full of praise.

            I look forward to continuing to read and comment on essays in a more relaxing pace over the coming weeks.

            Very best wishes and kindest regards,

            Antony

            Marina,

            I'm really glad you made it in. I agree entirely your 4D view with subjective observed 'realities' indeed our last two essays are exceptionally consistent. I only had one point each year, disliking "branes" last year and suggesting 'refraction' as another boundary this.

            I was criticising my own abstract not yours, so citing the blog posts to try to tempt you beyond it! Of course you too got an "excellent" (July 8, me). I'm sorry if you still found it too dense, I had to build a solid ontological construction for a valid test of the discrete field model against QM and Bell.

            Did you know the peculiar 'orbital' anomalies in the EPR experiment the model predicts have now actually been found in the 99.9% of Aspect's data discarded as there was no theoretical explanation for it!! (then).

            I'm still not sure most have yet rationalised the full implications for unification the model seems to offer, (including yourself), but it does increase steadily each year, even if it's only glimpses. Nobody has a suitable 'pattern' in the cortex to hang it to. I'd really like to just pass it all over and go sail my yacht (I'm racing it all next week yippee!). But the real test is now of the judges, and how firmly they're wedded to old doctrine. Having been passed over twice from top ten places I have no confidence they'll pass! My original estimate of 2020 may still be close.

            Thanks for your kind comments. I don't know how your reading went but I only just managed the same as last year. Even if we had longer it's too much time, but a rich experience none the less.

            Best wishes

            Peter