Stanislav,

If given the time and the wits to evaluate over 120 more entries, I have a month to try. My seemingly whimsical title, "It's good to be the king," is serious about our subject.

Jim

Dear Stanislaw,

I welcome your essay that well formated and attractive to read. I will rated your work as a good (devyatku), despite we are working in some different directions. I hope my work will interested you.Please pishite mne from there.

Best wishes,

George

ESSAY

    Hello, Stanislav Smirnov,

    This was an interesting essay, however some of it appeared to be more speculative, and also less science based. I liked that it was trying to be respective of a variety of cultures. So, it from bit or bit from it?

    Thanks for an interesting essay,

    Matthew

      Dear Matthew N Lienem!

      Thank you for positive feedback.

      This essay is the compilation of knowledge received from different sciences: mathematics, geometry, physics, linguistics, anthropology, history, genetics.

      In addition, as I have already mentioned, it is the result of statistic computer analysis. Moreover, you can check yourself the existence of geometrical language structure in any language you know. The algorithm is given in the essay.

      Regarding your question, "it from bit or bit from it" I can answer as follows: both bit and it as we know them are possible because of the moon, which was suddenly appeared 4.5 billion years ago as a piece of the mother earth.

      And there is no answer what was appeared first as both of this essences were

      emergeв at the same time.

      Thanks for your question.

      Regards, Stanislav

      Stas!

      Do not forget me, my dear. (See above, before previous post)

      Ya Nadeyus na Vash otvet in my forum.

      Regards,

      George

      Dear George!

      Thank you for your highest rate.

      With kind regards, Stanislav

      6 days later
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      Dear Stanislav

      As an artist I greatly enjoyed the joyful world of colored symbols you provided. As a human being I applaud your search for a 'common language' for humanity - it is really time for us to stress our glorious common heritage both physical (biological), cultural (language) and spiritual (answers to religious questions about existence). As physics the connection of your analysis is indirect. Nevertheless I found it relevant to the It-Bit question because it tries to define the question of information (bit) as language.

      The many examples of your beautifully designed ideograms (logos or symbols) you presented raise many interesting questions about the origin of these symbols. For example is the symbol of the Catholic Easter really a rabbit (what will the Vatican say to that?!) and would Greek Orthodox Christians agree that the symbol of Orthodox Easter is the delicious Russian kulich cakes?! Moses having horns is due to a historical error in translating Biblical text. The fish is a symbol of Christianity because the first letters of the words in a Greek prayer spell Ichthos or fish in Greek...and is an egg really round ??

      These small questions aside, I think your positive and imaginative ideas are joyful and inspiring.

      With best wishes

      Vladimir

        Dear Stanislav,

        I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

        Regards and good luck in the contest,

        Sreenath BN.

        http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

          Dear Vladimir!

          Thank you for your reference.

          Let me try to explain some questions raised by you.

          A symbol of Catholic Easter is a rabbit as you can see it every year during the celebration in every supermarket around.

          Due to official version it comes from the symbol of the Anglo-Saxon goddess, Eostre and represents fertility.

          As you can read in my essay one of the main idea of it was that humanity was celebrating every month birth of the moon.

          Another etymology of Easter given in Wikipedia is that Eostre may have meant "the month of opening". Again points to the described start of first month of new year which is Easter.

          The connection of moon and rabbit is widely known in every culture. You can read deep investigation about this question here

          Greek Orthodox Christians of course may disagree that Easter symbol is Russian kulich, but I doubt they will disagree that Russian cake has a white round shape on its top. It really has. And this shape was having completely recognizable meaning for preChristians. It was symbolizing the God as they know it. The round white disk in the sky. The moon.

          Moses.

          If you take a look at the ancient engravings in the Bible you will be surprised that first Priest is shown there is having the moon on its head

          And it is not misunderstanding. This part of his costume is hardly transferred by Moses as an order of the God: (Exodus 8:22) "You will make a semicircle golden plate on his head and engrave the name of the God on it, to remind the God by wearing it"

          It is clearly said that in order to remember the God, priest must wear its symbol on his head. And this symbol is crescent.

          Regarding Moses horns - there is no translation error.

          The Hebrew frase used in Bible is "ki karan or pnav" - "his face was having beams/horns"

          The word "karnaim" has three meanings: horn/beam/angle

          Of course the meaning used in the Bible could be "beams". The Moses was having face shining with beams. But even if so, the explanation of this strange beams/horns/angle is very easy if you know that Moses is just an allegory of the God which was believed that days - the moon. And it is natural to imagine the moon as shining beams, horns or angle.

          You can easy recognize that the word "karan" is absolutely phonetically same to another famous word: "Koran" - the name of Muslim's sacred book. And Muslim religion is strictly connected to the moon as you know.

          The word "Koran" itself etymologically roots back to the meaning "to read" and openly tells us which object should we respect for giving us ability to transfer the information to each other. To write and to read. And this object is the moon - main symbol of Muslim religion.

          The fish is very interesting symbol, which needs more space to describe. If you are really interested I can give you nice historical excurse.

          An egg is really round in most cuttings. Of course, it is also oval, but this form is very close to the circle. The yolk is round in any egg. That is why its shape is taken to be a symbol of the God.

          Another confirmation of the connection between the God and crescent shape is the agreement made with Noah:

          "And God said, This is the sign of the agreement which I make between me and you and every living thing with you, for all future generations: I will put my bow in the cloud and it will be for a sign of the agreement between me and the earth. And whenever I make a cloud come over the earth, the bow will be seen in the cloud"

          The bow has semicircle shape and this is the main reason why the God has selected this natural phenomenon as a sign for people to remember the God.

          I can show you another very nice proof of my theory. As I stated, the essence known as God is the crescent symbolized in many ancient religions with a shape of cow horns.

          Just take a look at these ancient icons:

          img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5507/94280059.156/0_5a7a2_89ccf777_XL

          lingvogeometry.org/images/koza_jesus.jpg

          Saint people show the same sign - horned hand. Eastern Christians are even still have it as an important symbol of god they represent:

          lingvogeometry.org/images/koza_ruka.jpg

          Even young Jesus shows same by his hand:

          lingvogeometry.org/images/koza_jisus2.jpg

          And Buddha:

          lingvogeometry.org/images/koza_buda.jpg

          The science teaches us that if there are many coincidences appear it means that there is some unknown regularity. I just explained that regularity with simple and clear hypothesis.

          And it became very suitable to explain the main topic of current contest: "what is the information".

          The information is two states of the moon: circle and semicircle, zero and one.

          Thank you for your attention.

          I will be glad to discuss with you any question appear regarding my investigation.

          5 days later

          Dear Stanislav,

          I read your exiting essay with interest and in which you have imaginatively compared the symbol of Bit with different geometric curves and elucidated their meanings; comparing it to full moon and crescent moon and there by relating it to different figures and to sacred symbols of various religions is interesting. What attracted me most in your article is citation to "ra", "1" and "10"of Kannada language because it is my mother tongue and I hail from the southern Indian state of Karnataka. I want to know where you got that information. So for this I want to give full rating to your essay as soon as I see your comments on my essay in my thread. http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

          All the best in the essay contest,

          Sreenath

          Dear Stanislav

          I enjoyed reading your spirited defense of your symbology. Of course I am not an expert and my remarks were from general knowledge and common sense. For example associating bunnies with Easter is a cultural addition and has no connection with Catholic Church dogma. I found this article

          Moses' horns there are many others similar ones.

          As to the 'horns' you found in icon halos they are just the arms of a a background cross. And the 'horned hand' is just a poor representation of the 'blessing hand' when the fingers are arranged to form the letters ICXC as explained here: here

          However there are genuine 'horn' symbols, for example the Winged Ox as a symbol of : St. Luke

          BTW If you have not read, or did not rate my essay The Cloud of Unknowing please consider doing so. With best wishes.

          Vladimir

          Dear Vladimir!

          Russians say: "there is no smoke without fire"

          For sure bunnies are only the cultural addition to the Easter, but everybody in the world knows this association.

          As well as connection of fish with Jude's Easter and eggs with Orthodox Easter.

          If we use same logic we get following identity:

          Easter = bunny

          Easter = fish

          Easter = eggs

          bunny = fish = eggs

          An answer why this identity is possible is given in the essay. All 3 symbols are connected with a moon in mythology of ancient people.

          There is a moon rabbit widely presented in any culture, a fish which also comes up in many ancient stories (Russian golden fish stories) and eggs which are round and are simple associated with the moon by its round shape.

          So due to principle of Occam's razor first object which we have to explore in connection with all three Easter symbols is the moon and Easter must be considered as a moon celebration.

          And if we check deeper all Easter habits from the moon point of view we will find many elements which correspond with moon characteristics (death and 3 days resurrection, round kulich (by the way word "kulich" comes from Greek language and means a bread of

          ">semi round shape](https:// http://vk.com/public51497135?w=page-51497135_44508920&z=photo205845719_302653014%2F2e604f1218a8e41748

          )), 12 Apostols as 12 months and 13th lunar month - Jesus, semi round cup and round bread which were presented on last Jesus supper as a symbols of the moon)

          And this is absolutely scientific approach which do not create a new entity to explain some process. If one explains all above with a God's influence he breaks the Occam's razor rule by creating new entity to explain a process. This is no scientific way.

          Same as to explain the process which takes place in optical microscope only by God's influence not by microcrystal structure of the material and feature of the light.

          Thank you for nice information about Winged Ox as a symbol of St. Luke.

          So which object can be easy and clear explained by this allegory? The moon is horned, it flies and it exists on above space as it stated on picture presented by you. Again to get back to Occam's razor principle. First object which we have to consider is the moon and only after we can check whether winged oxes were existed that times.

          And same for a Moses horns.

          First association which need to be checked is if horns have any connection to process of believe and only after this we can explain this widely presented image as a mistake of translation.

          As for your essay. I found it very unique and exuding from many other essays represented in current contest as it nicely corresponds with the main idea of the contest to be well understood by people without deep special knowledge. And also it is well illustrated which most of essays are missing.

          I did rate it with higher mark.

          Thank you very much for your attention.

          Best regards, Stanislav

          Dear Sreenath

          thank you very much for your comment.

          Please find below the source of information about Kannada language:

          It is Wikipedia page about link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numerals]indian numerals[/link]

          Regarding glyph "ra" you can read same in wiki or in other language sources

          Please inform me if I misunderstood something as you are Kannada speaking person.

          Thank you in advance for your rate. I will check your work and rate and comment it soon.

          Regards, Stanislav

          Dear Stanislav,

          Thanks for your kind compliments and also for good rating. However, even if you had not rated me I would have rated your essay as I had promised with maximum points as I have done now. Thanks also for providing me with the source of information for your essay. I don't find any mistake with your essay as far as 'Kannada' is concerned.

          Best of luck in the essay contest,

          Sreenath

          Thanks a lot Sreenath!

          It was very nice to receive your point regarding Kannada.

          Stanislav

          Dear Stanislaw,

          I thought your essay was ingenious. There were only two minor points I would care to comment on, and I hope you do not mind my mentioning them. In my essay BITTERS, I have emphasized the importance of unique, once, in the real Universe.

          You wrote: " Moon is a unique object that is physically one, yet it combines two visible geometric states - circle of the full moon and new moon semicircle." Of course the only reason objects at a distance appear to be round is because we have round eyeballs. Each real snowflake is unique, once. Each real star is unique, once. Everything in the real Universe including the real Universe itself is unique, once.

          Unfortunately, you also made mention of "unique constancy." There is no such physical state. Unique can only be unique, once.

          The problem with all information is that it is not unique. Fortunately, the information processes you ably described in your engrossing essay have so far caused little harm.

          Good luck in the contest,

          Joe

            Dear Joe!

            Thanks a lot for your comments.

            Please note that "unique constancy" is meant that moon is the only object in our surrounding that has two visible constant states - circle and semicircle.

            It is not physical state, but visual state. The states that our round balls can easy identify :)

            And of course the information is in unique, but in current contest we try to understand the source of information in our world/mind, so we have to dig deeper to the early beginning, to find first simple reasons that caused information to appear.

            In my investigation I have described my version of the emerging of binary logic in our world.

            From my point of view the information as we know it is completely binary and in order to understand what is the information we have to understand why it is binary.

            I gave my hypothesis.

            Do you think that there is any collision?

            With kind regards, Stanislav

            Dear Stanislav,

            "From my point of view the information as we know it is completely binary and in order to understand what is the information we have to understand why it is binary."

            You are quite correct in asserting that abstract information can be binary, and your analysis of how this came about appears to me to be quite accurate. Our ideas collide because I refuse to believe that abstract information has anything to do with reality.

            Each real snowflake is unique, once. Each real molecule of each real snowflake is unique, once. Obviously, that means that each unit of temperature can only be unique, once. That means that each unit of energy can only be unique, once. That means each motion of a particle or a wave can only be unique, once. All of the so-called physical laws and physical measurements are incorrect. The abstract information about these laws and measurements may be perfectly accurate, but the reality is quite the opposite.

            When we Wheeler our conflicting ideas, we get?

            Is the real Universe simple? Yes

            Is the abstract universe simple? No

            Is unique, once, simple Yes?

            Is 0 1 simple? No.

            Joe

            Dear Stanislav -

            It was interesting for me to see someone link our perception of reality to the evolutionary process. I interpret your paper this way, and to me it means that It and Bit are 'correlated' by evolution.

            Ultimately, even 'matter' is simply very ancient information, supported by appropriate biological configurations. And because evolution involves constant change, the field of our reality is continually shifting. This has very significant implications which I explore in my essay.

            Your presentation is very original and stimulating; my own approach to describing the observer's participation in the field of observation involves a paradigm I'm sure you will find useful (at least, I hope!). This being said, I've rated your work - and hope you'll soon find time to read mine, and to give me your impressions.

            I wish you the best of luck in the competition,

            John.

            Hello Stanislav,

            Very nice diagrams you have in your essay. You really have artistic talent. Have you seen my essay? It also discuss ancient arguments on geometry.

            Try and have a look and rate if you enjoy it.

            Best regards,

            Akinbo