Jonathan,

"While it is quite clear that information of some nature does give rise to the universe of form, thus fulfilling Wheeler's vision of "It from Bit," this does not prevent "Bit from It" modalities from unfolding at the same time. So indeed they are both true outlooks, but the meaning of the story can only be seen by considering the interplay of the two - a Cosmic Dance."

I think your essay is sort of a Cosmic Dance, perhaps a waltz that smoothly glides us through the mysterious question we encounter.

I deal with the same issues but with more of a two-step, for example, saying consciousness is not possible -- without religion, sorcery or metaphysics -- at the time of the BB and not until 1 billion years later, being without a body.

There is poetry to your ancient tale and meaning in your words. I hope that "It's Great to be the King" does as well in your eyes.

Jim

    Dear Jonathan,

    I haven't heard from you regarding your comments on my essay in my thread. So, please, do the same and inform me in order to rate your elegantly written essay.

    Best wishes,

    Sreenath

      Please be patient Sreenath,

      I apologize for not responding sooner. I have been busy, but your essay is near the top of my list.

      All the Best,

      Jonathan

      and also..

      Thank you greatly, for your kind comments.

      Regards,

      Jonathan

      Your kind remarks are appreciated James..

      I am glad you found value in my effort. I have your excellent essay on my radar already (because I wondered what the tile was about and had to peek), though I only skimmed it. As I recall; you champion a Bayesian approach to QM, and that is both of special interest and highly compatible with my work. I wish you good luck in the contest, and in general.

      Regards,

      Jonathan

      Gracious thanks good Sir,

      I have much more to share on "the correlation between Mind and Cosmos" but will wait until after the contest to pursue that. We will have to keep in touch. I shall be diligent to get to your essay soon.

      Regards,

      Jonathan

      Thank you Patrick.

      I am glad you enjoyed my essay, as I did yours. All roads lead to Physics unification, as they say. I thought your offering was particularly clever to have such a simple formulation with broad reaching results.

      All the Best,

      Jonathan

      Thank you very much Antoine!

      Your kind remarks are greatly appreciated, and I'm glad you enjoyed reading my paper. I recall your work to be generally excellent and I am most interested to read your essay as well. I will comment on your page as soon as I am able.

      Jonathan

      that should be..

      I wondered what the title was about..

      Carry on,

      Jonathan

      Dear Jonathan,

      Thank you for your kind recommandation on Goodband's page. I rated your essay on July 9. Did you do the same because I have no track of you at me essay location?

      Good luck,

      Michel

      Dear Jonathan,

      One single principle leads the Universe.

      Every thing, every object, every phenomenon

      is under the influence of this principle.

      Nothing can exist if it is not born in the form of opposites.

      I simply invite you to discover this in a few words,

      but the main part is coming soon.

      Thank you, and good luck!

      I rated your essay accordingly to my appreciation.

      Please visit My essay.

        That sounds very wise, Amazigh..

        Yes; as my essay attests, I can appreciate the interplay of opposites. I am glad for the appreciation you have shown, and I will certainly make an effort to visit your essay soon.

        All the Best,

        Jonathan

        Hi Jonathan,

        Thank you for a lovely essay. You wrote:

        > Does life descend to play in or with form, bestowing consciousness and creativity? Or does form rise and evolve to acquire these attributes, so it may play in the heavens? Science favors the latter view, and relegates the former to Religion, but because "It from Bit" makes information more primal than form, this changes things profoundly.

        In my essay Software Cosmos I describe the simulation paradigm and construct a model for a computable cosmos. Taking the view that the material cosmos we observe is the result of software allows us to ask questions about the software architecture, and its layers. Defining the properties of these layers has the potential to answer your question.

        > Perhaps to catch the universe as form and information at play, we need to see reality as a play. Information as author, forces as director, and objects as actors may be the metaphor we seek.... While we can identify the script as 'Bit' with the author as its generator, and the character as 'It' with the actor as its generator, there is a third personage who helps to guide the process to its completion, called the director.

        I have been using the term "animator" for the agents at one level that make possible the operation of a higher level of reality. In the software model of the cosmos you can have a multi-level architecture. Each level "animates", or implements the foundational constructs, of the level above. Agents at each level do not know how they are implemented, as from their perspective, each primitive operation "just happens". It is the lower levels that know more what is going on.

        > As I stated earlier; possibilities lead to actualities, in general, but any specific condition or environment leads to new possibilities... General information and open possibilities lead to actualities, then specific conditions engender new possibilities - and this cycle repeats - without end.

        Joseph Brenner (who is also an essayist here) has prevoisly written a paper entitled "The philosophical logic of Stéphane Lupasco (1900-1988)" that describes Lupasco's alternate "Logic of the Included Middle" and argues that it better applies to reality. You may find Lupasco's view consonant with your own.

        > The key observation here is that information is more real or fundamental than substance, which is much like saying that things are comprised of mind-stuff - on a deeper level than the physical... In fact; it demands we tackle what David Chalmers refers to as the 'hard problem' of consciousness, defining what constitutes conscious perceptual experience.

        If we can build only on top of the material world, then what we get when we try to create consciousness is a "zombie", not a consciousness as we experience it. But a computational cosmos does not have to start at the material level. It could be composed of several levels, only the most obvious top level one being material. In the sense defined above, the cosmos may consist of Mind animating Life and Life animating Matter. This, I think, more closely models what we actually know of the world.

        Hugh

          This looks like a very thoughtful comment Hugh,

          I'll thank you now and take time for a detailed reply after some sleep. Software Cosmos sounds very interesting; and I certainly appreciate the invitation to check it out.

          All the Best,

          Jonathan

          Dear Jonathan,

          After reading your essay :

          « As I stated in a previous essay;

          I think that both discrete and continuous aspects of reality

          must be simultaneously accepted as real,

          to understand the universe as it is. » by Jonathan J. Dickau

          You can take a look also to essay of JOSEPH E. BRENNER

          « Finally,

          a picture of the universe as fundamentally either continuous or discontinuous

          may be usefully replaced by one in which

          both continuity and discontinuity are jointly and dynamically instantiated. », by JOSEPH E. BRENNER

          You'll be surprised one day to discover how your views are right.

          Good Luck!

          Dear Jonathan,

          After reading your essay :

          « As I stated in a previous essay;

          I think that both discrete and continuous aspects of reality

          must be simultaneously accepted as real,

          to understand the universe as it is. » by Jonathan J. Dickau

          You can take a look also to essay of JOSEPH E. BRENNER

          « Finally,

          a picture of the universe as fundamentally either continuous or discontinuous

          may be usefully replaced by one in which

          both continuity and discontinuity are jointly and dynamically instantiated. », by JOSEPH E. BRENNER

          You'll be surprised one day to discover how your views are right.

          Good Luck!

          Dear Jonathan,

          Thank you for your scintillating dance of ideas!

          I very much agree with you that there is an "interplay between information becoming stuff, and stuff becoming information". It is possible frame your idea terms of quantum information theory. The stage and place for the audience arise from the conditional knowledge of the observer, the director is quantum potential and the material objects are the reciprocal action between the two. (See my essay "A Complex Conjugate Bit and It".)

          Best wishes,

          Richard

            Thank you for your kind words Richard..

            And I like your reframe of the dance. I shall check out your essay as soon as time allows.

            Regards,

            Jonathan

            Dear Jonathan,

            My best acknowledgements for the boost. I appreciate that the technicalities do not discourage you. I hope that the infection will propagate!

            You are right that the octonions lurk around the examples I selected. Not all dessins are feature quantum contextuality. The simplest case given here is Mermin's square and can be seen as an archetype (in the language you use in your essay). The next case is Mermin's pentagram, there are 12096 of them with three qubits and 12096 is also the size of the automorphism group of G2(2) (related to the octonions as John Baez explains in his famous note). This is discussed in our recent papers on ArXiv.

            My kind regards,

            Michel