Dear Jonathan,

After reading your essay :

« As I stated in a previous essay;

I think that both discrete and continuous aspects of reality

must be simultaneously accepted as real,

to understand the universe as it is. » by Jonathan J. Dickau

You can take a look also to essay of JOSEPH E. BRENNER

« Finally,

a picture of the universe as fundamentally either continuous or discontinuous

may be usefully replaced by one in which

both continuity and discontinuity are jointly and dynamically instantiated. », by JOSEPH E. BRENNER

You'll be surprised one day to discover how your views are right.

Good Luck!

Dear Jonathan,

Thank you for your scintillating dance of ideas!

I very much agree with you that there is an "interplay between information becoming stuff, and stuff becoming information". It is possible frame your idea terms of quantum information theory. The stage and place for the audience arise from the conditional knowledge of the observer, the director is quantum potential and the material objects are the reciprocal action between the two. (See my essay "A Complex Conjugate Bit and It".)

Best wishes,

Richard

    Thank you for your kind words Richard..

    And I like your reframe of the dance. I shall check out your essay as soon as time allows.

    Regards,

    Jonathan

    Dear Jonathan,

    My best acknowledgements for the boost. I appreciate that the technicalities do not discourage you. I hope that the infection will propagate!

    You are right that the octonions lurk around the examples I selected. Not all dessins are feature quantum contextuality. The simplest case given here is Mermin's square and can be seen as an archetype (in the language you use in your essay). The next case is Mermin's pentagram, there are 12096 of them with three qubits and 12096 is also the size of the automorphism group of G2(2) (related to the octonions as John Baez explains in his famous note). This is discussed in our recent papers on ArXiv.

    My kind regards,

    Michel

      Dear Jonathan,

      I much appreciate your dialectic attitude and your analogies as principles of general value.

      Let me tell you what might be worth a scrutiny too:

      Variations of temperature in data from Planck telescope are in good agreement with predicted ones for small values of angle but not for large ones. Didn't the spectrum of a black body also fit well to a formula (of Rayleigh and Jeans) for not too high frequencies? In case of Planck's law, I suspect the background in the non-equality of mathematical representation in terms of either an integral or an infinite sum.

      Do you agree on that the relationship between Wheeler and Einstein resembles the relationship between Hilbert and G. Cantor? Didn't Hilbert's program possibly fail because of flaws in Cantor's aleph_2?

      When I looked as a layman on CMBR I got aware on at least one cold spot. May this spot be the Lockman hole, a window that permits us to more realistically look outside the dust of our galaxy and beyond current models of universe?

      Admittedly, I do not quite share your sometimes a bit exaggerated "Hegelei". Nonetheless, I will rate your essay 10 and hope that your higher scores can attract more attention.

      Regards,

      Eckard

        Dear Jonathan,

        '1' from another '1' is true when information is considered as physical transfer, while '0' is non-physical. Whereas, information in particle scenario is the transfer of energy and it is the transfer of matter with energy in string-matter continuum scenario.

        Thus this cause-effect cycle expressed in 'Knowing One from the Other', indicates that the universe is cyclic with nonzero conditions and thus the universe is non-inflationary in entirety; with Homeomorphic Segmental-fluctuations in Cyclic-time in that a top-to-bottom holarchical organisation of string-matter continuum is expressional. Whereas, the basic form is three-dimensional tetrahedral-brane that emerges on eigen-rotation of string-matter segment and transfer of such form is information, in that the realm of observable is the holarchical segment, the observer belongs.

        With best wishes,

        Jayakar

          Thanks very much Michel!

          Your comments above are well appreciated, and I welcome the technical challenges to understand your work better. I have downloaded a sampler of interesting recent papers from arXiv, with yourself as author or collaborator. I will likely have many questions before long, and will desire to cite your work in my future papers. I think perhaps the infection is incurable, but that is no cause for alarm. Dr. Planat is in.

          All the Best,

          Jonathan

          My dear Meister Eckard,

          I am humbled by the grace of your response to my essay. Indeed; I tried to emphasize a dialectic view on the It-Bit subject, to the extent of asserting that there are many cases where the existence of a third option is implied, or where the possibility for a synthesis between purported opposites should be seriously explored - or not ruled out prematurely. If it was a bit exaggerated, this is mainly because I think people tend to frame things in black and white terms overmuch - in modern times - and I am trying to counterbalance the societal norm.

          I shall have more to say, in answer to your queries, but a busy day still beckons.

          All the Best,

          Jonathan

          Excellent..

          Your choice analogy is well-appreciated. I explored a simpler form of the tetrahedral model of the universe, in my very first FQXi essay, but I am interested in checking out what the 'string matter continuum' has to offer. Thanks for stopping by, Jayakar. I am hoping I can get to read your essay soon.

          Regards,

          Jonathan

          Dear Jonathan (foolowing your comment ion my thread),

          As far as dessins d'enfants are concerned, the members of the triple (0, 1, /infty) have well defined meaning. Sorry that I just copy my earlier post:

          The Belyi theorem (see the step 3 in my Sec. 2 giving the definition of a child's drawing) and the property that the child's drawing D itself is the preimage of the segment [0,1], that is D=f^-1([0,1]), where the Belyi function f corresponding to D is a rational function. All black vertices of D are the roots of the equation f(x)=0, the multiplicity of each root being equal to the degree of the corresponding vertex. Similarly, all white vertices are the roots of the quation f(x)=1. Inside each face, there exits a single pole, that is a root of the equation f(x)=\infty. Besides 0, 1 and \infty, there are no other critical value of f.

          In experiments you will have 0 or 1 as the result of the experiment (in the single or multiple qubit context) but the unobserved \infty is needed in the explanation. The way the black points (bit 0) and white points (bit 1) ly on the dessin (a graph on the oriented surface such as the sphere S2, or a Riemann surface with holes) is such that sigma(0)*sigma(1)*sigma(infty)=id, where

          sigma (0) is the permutation group attached to the black points 0 (how the edges incident on the black points rotate) and sigma (1) is the permutation group attached to the white point 1 (how the edges incident on the white points rotate).

          It is still binary logic but in a more clever way (may be this has to do with Grothendieck's topos, I have not thought about this aspect).

          Thanks again for your interest.

          I intend to write you again about the Hopf fibrations.

          My kind regards.

          Michel

          Hopefully a joint work in perspective. You are familiar with so many concepts I still not met. I admire that you have interdisciplinary talents. In the past, I was a kind of artist in photography but lost my ability after I switched to knowledge.

          Thank you greatly Michel,

          You appear to have a very deep understanding yourself. I would be honored to work with you, at some point.

          Jonathan

          Dear Jonathan,

          I absolutely agree with your words "Determining unambiguously whether a system is creating information or is created by information is thus virtually impossible - as the two modes are so deeply intertwined".

          I think that both "It" and "Bit" are basic reality to us and "information" is image of that reality to observers like us who are also part of those "It" and "Bit". So "It", "Bit", observer and obviously "information" are 'inseparable' in my essay (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1855) too.

          Since all those are conceptually quantized/digitized,the observers like us unable to see the nature other than quantized/digital ways, that's our basic limit what has imposed by the nature to us. So we can only model our observable range of that nature and never define anything out of that part of it even if there anything. So, all the mystic things in our perceptions: spirit,ether,absolute vacuum in space, probabilities and so on are always stay out of our that observable sphere of reality.

          I am a very slow reader and at this very end hours of this essay contest. But fortunately (or unfortunately) I'm seeing that we are almost at the same position of community rating scenario. I like to give you full rate for your good presentation. So can we think for some mutual rating? Because, I think, we are talking about something very nearer and even positioned there as well!

          However I wishing good hope for you in the contest.

          Regards

          Dipak

            Thank you for your kind words and offer..

            I will go now and read your essay Dipak.

            I approve if you want to rate me highly, and I will likely do the same if our ideas are in agreement as you observe. One and equally the other.. Hmm, that does sound much like what I am saying. I will comment on your page.

            All the Best,

            Jonathan

            Hi Jonathan,

            I've been looking for your essay for a couple of weeks now. I actually began reading it on my cell phone (something I had never done before, and probably won't try again for a while . . .) while waiting for a lunch appointment and wasn't able to finish it at the time and then promptly forgot to write down your name or the title of your essay. However, I did not forget what you wrote.

            Jonathan, I have to say that your essay is one of the best I have read. The points you make, the issues you raise - I found myself nodding in agreement the entire time. I also found your writing style so enjoyable, engaging and absorbing. I was so interested in your perspective that I actually Googled your name and have started reading some of the other things you've written.

            I know it's nearing the end of the community voting, but I just had to find your essay again and vote on it. I truly think you deserve the utmost consideration, and so I have given you the highest rating and wish you the very best.

            Perhaps, if you are so inclined, we could keep in touch in the future.

            Best to you, Jonathan.

            Sincerely,

            Ralph

              Thanks very much Ralph,

              I greatly appreciate your kind remarks. I've just gotten back after being away for two days, and I'm still catching up. I'll make it a point to read your essay, and to comment once I do.

              All the Best,

              Jonathan

              Dear Jonathan,

              We are at the end of this essay contest.

              In conclusion, at the question to know if Information is more fundamental than Matter, there is a good reason to answer that Matter is made of an amazing mixture of eInfo and eEnergy, at the same time.

              Matter is thus eInfo made with eEnergy rather than answer it is made with eEnergy and eInfo ; because eInfo is eEnergy, and the one does not go without the other one.

              eEnergy and eInfo are the two basic Principles of the eUniverse. Nothing can exist if it is not eEnergy, and any object is eInfo, and therefore eEnergy.

              And consequently our eReality is eInfo made with eEnergy. And the final verdict is : eReality is virtual, and virtuality is our fundamental eReality.

              Good luck to the winners,

              And see you soon, with good news on this topic, and the Theory of Everything.

              Amazigh H.

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