Late-in-the-Day Thoughts about the Essays I've Read

I am sending to you the following thoughts because I found your essay particularly well stated, insightful, and helpful, even though in certain respects we may significantly diverge in our viewpoints. Thank you! Lumping and sorting is a dangerous adventure; let me apologize in advance if I have significantly misread or misrepresented your essay in what follows.

Of the nearly two hundred essays submitted to the competition, there seems to be a preponderance of sentiment for the 'Bit-from-It" standpoint, though many excellent essays argue against this stance or advocate for a wider perspective on the whole issue. Joseph Brenner provided an excellent analysis of the various positions that might be taken with the topic, which he subsumes under the categories of 'It-from-Bit', 'Bit-from-It', and 'It-and-Bit'.

Brenner himself supports the 'Bit-from-It' position of Julian Barbour as stated in his 2011 essay that gave impetus to the present competition. Others such as James Beichler, Sundance Bilson-Thompson, Agung Budiyono, and Olaf Dreyer have presented well-stated arguments that generally align with a 'Bit-from-It' position.

Various renderings of the contrary position, 'It-from-Bit', have received well-reasoned support from Stephen Anastasi, Paul Borrill, Luigi Foschini, Akinbo Ojo, and Jochen Szangolies. An allied category that was not included in Brenner's analysis is 'It-from-Qubit', and valuable explorations of this general position were undertaken by Giacomo D'Ariano, Philip Gibbs, Michel Planat and Armin Shirazi.

The category of 'It-and-Bit' displays a great diversity of approaches which can be seen in the works of Mikalai Birukou, Kevin Knuth, Willard Mittelman, Georgina Parry, and Cristinel Stoica,.

It seems useful to discriminate among the various approaches to 'It-and-Bit' a subcategory that perhaps could be identified as 'meaning circuits', in a sense loosely associated with the phrase by J.A. Wheeler. Essays that reveal aspects of 'meaning circuits' are those of Howard Barnum, Hugh Matlock, Georgina Parry, Armin Shirazi, and in especially that of Alexei Grinbaum.

Proceeding from a phenomenological stance as developed by Husserl, Grinbaum asserts that the choice to be made of either 'It from Bit' or 'Bit from It' can be supplemented by considering 'It from Bit' and 'Bit from It'. To do this, he presents an 'epistemic loop' by which physics and information are cyclically connected, essentially the same 'loop' as that which Wheeler represented with his 'meaning circuit'. Depending on where one 'cuts' the loop, antecedent and precedent conditions are obtained which support an 'It from Bit' interpretation, or a 'Bit from It' interpretation, or, though not mentioned by Grinbaum, even an 'It from Qubit' interpretation. I'll also point out that depending on where the cut is made, it can be seen as a 'Cartesian cut' between res extensa and res cogitans or as a 'Heisenberg cut' between the quantum system and the observer. The implications of this perspective are enormous for the present It/Bit debate! To quote Grinbaum: "The key to understanding the opposition between IT and BIT is in choosing a vantage point from which OR looks as good as AND. Then this opposition becomes unnecessary: the loop view simply dissolves it." Grinbaum then goes on to point out that this epistemologically circular structure "...is not a logical disaster, rather it is a well-documented property of all foundational studies."

However, Grinbaum maintains that it is mandatory to cut the loop; he claims that it is "...a logical necessity: it is logically impossible to describe the loop as a whole within one theory." I will argue that in fact it is vital to preserve the loop as a whole and to revise our expectations of what we wish to accomplish by making the cut. In fact, the ongoing It/Bit debate has been sustained for decades by our inability to recognize the consequences that result from making such a cut. As a result, we have been unable to take up the task of studying the properties inherent in the circularity of the loop. Helpful in this regard would be an examination of the role of relations between various elements and aspects of the loop. To a certain extent the importance of the role of relations has already been well stated in the essays of Kevin Knuth, Carlo Rovelli, Cristinel Stoica, and Jochen Szangolies although without application to aspects that clearly arise from 'circularity'. Gary Miller's discussion of the role of patterns, drawn from various historical precedents in mathematics, philosophy, and psychology, provides the clearest hints of all competition submissions on how the holistic analysis of this essential circular structure might be able to proceed.

In my paper, I outlined Susan Carey's assertion that a 'conceptual leap' is often required in the construction of a new scientific theory. Perhaps moving from a 'linearized' perspective of the structure of a scientific theory to one that is 'circularized' is just one further example of this kind of conceptual change.

Hi Olaf,

Maybe a little lonely. Did I mention that I like pino coladas, and getting caught in the rain...? :-) No actually I'm not sure how that number got into the middle of my essay, but I assume it's the result of a tragic cut-and-paste accident that I failed to notice while rushing to submit my essay before the entries closed.

To address your other question, it makes no sense to me to divide the world into its and bits and try to decide which category the fundamental building blocks of the universe fall into. That would be a little like arguing about whether quarks and leptons are made of Earth, Air, Fire, or Water. Likewise, I think that if there is a fundamental layer of reality, that it will be most sensible to refer to the fundamental building blocks (let's call them "True Atoms"), and relegate all other descriptions of the physical universe (fermions, flux lines, bits, chickens,...) to a secondary role as labels for the bulk behaviour of groups of True Atoms. "It" and "bit" would then be just labels, no more or less valid than each other. And addressing the question of whether information "just is", I'd have to say that my prejudice is that information will need to be associated with the state of a group of True Atoms, rather than existing freely in some disembodied Platonic realm of perfect forms.

Thanks for your interest and feedback.

Cheers,

Sundance

Hi Carlo,

Thanks for your comments. I agree with you about the lack of arbitrariness in choosing a centre for circular motion of the planets. However in the ancient astronomers' cosmology, this centre was chosen from the outside by a divine hand. It may be a semantic argument, but I feel you could argue that this didn't remove arbitrariness, it merely shifted the arbitrariness to "inside the mind of god". Nowadays we don't like preferred reference frames, and so there's a clear difference between ancient and modern (classical) physics, in that modern physics is more "egalitarian", for want of a better term. Taking the decisions about what goes where out of the hands of a divine architect itself makes physics less arbitrary.

Regards,

Sundance

Hi Sundance. Your essay was short but impressive. I thought it deserved a relatively high rating for not indulging in overambitious woo etc. but making a pithy and reasonably creative statement. I wonder if you could take a look at my own essay at /1610 and see what you think if not already. (It proposes an actual experiment to distinguish mixtures with the same density matrix.) Cheers.

Hi Sundance!

Hope things are well. Glad to see you in this competition!

I am definitely on your side in regards to "it from bit" taking the idea of information a bit too seriously.

Hope you are doing well!

Sean.