Essay Abstract

In recent years, the notion that information may be the basis for reality, rather than the other way around, has become more popular. Here we consider the issue within the context of a general relation between the role of physical objects against the background in shaping the pattern of distinctions that can then be translated into information. It is found that from this perspective, in classical physics substance is more fundamental than information, while in general relativity they are on an equal footing. Quantum superposition and collapse, on the other hand, introduce new considerations. A foundational principle is introduced to give an explanation for quantum superposition, and from this principle it becomes evident that to the extent that one frames the nature of quantum objects in terms of this dichotomy, in quantum theory information is more fundamental. This implies that the description of quantum objects in a superposition is dependent on features of the background, as these features set boundary conditions on such manifestations. Thus, if this principle really does underlie quantum mechanics, it means that the term "background independent quantum theory" has to be considered a contradiction, which has implications for the search for a quantum theory of gravity.

Author Bio

Passionate about understanding foundational questions about the nature of reality, Armin Nikkhah Shirazi has been working on a framework to make sense out of quantum mechanics after stumbling on a very simple realization wich is partly described in this essay. He is also a composer-pianist and a pharmacist. His physics works may be found in Deep Blue, the University of Michigan's repository and on Vixra. Some of his original music performances and physics talks may be viewed on his youtube channel at http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjxXL39uQxY7EGULNi3ddOQ

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Dear Armin,

Good to see a questioning of the role of bacground in physical theories. In my essay, the background is named context and a set of observables is contextual whenever it is non-classical (according to the Kochen-Specker rules).

As an experimentalist, I also found that (classical) measurements of oscillator frequencies and phases is background dependent and this allowed the recovery of the structure of rational numbers

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/math-ph/0510044

This is why I fully agree with your general thesis.

Good luck,

Michel

    Hello Armin,

    No doubt one of the leading essays that will help answer conclusively the question posed, It from Bit or Bit from It? This is because you have looked at the question from all angles, Newtonian, GR and Quantum perpectives.

    To be specific, I consider these as gems, "thinking of space as a background and...considering information as a deviation from the background". But you will get a thumbs down by saying, "There exists under this conception a subset of arrangements ...namely those associated only with space itself,..which cannot be expressed in terms of a pattern of distinctions".

    We are all groping in the dark to identify the truth of physical reality. Suppose 'time' comes to your rescue, so that a discrete pattern can be described in the background? Perhaps, this might help resolve "the problem of the map"? I put forward some ideas, not as professionally done as yours but conveying some glimpse of how the 'map problem' can be resolved.

    I leave you with a quote from Newton (also in my essay): "...And my account throws a satisfactory light on the difference between body and extension - i.e. between a body and a region of space. The raw materials of each are the same in their properties and nature, and differ only in how God created them".

    A top rated essay and a gem.

    Best regards,

    Akinbo

      Dear Armin,

      I enjoyed reading your essay and found the approach very well thought out. Am I correct in summary that in classical mechanics

      Bit from It, then in General relativity It and Bit are as fundamental, finally in Quantum Mechanics we have It from Bit? This seems a good and logical accompaniment with historical discovery and I think what you say about background independence implications for Quantum Gravity ring true.

      Hopefully you get chance to look at my essay - there are so many now! It's based around Black Holes, Entropy and the Fibonacci sequence.

      Best wishes,

      Antony

        Hi Armin,

        Very good essay indeed. I rated it very high, one simple reason, my theory is the concrete implementation of your idea. I postulate that reality is nothing but a mathematical structure, then I end up with a line and do whatever is possible on it, and bang, QM is born along with space , matter and energy. One advantage in my system is that time becomes just a change of state.

        I do disagree with the last two paragraphs, but they are relatively minor issues, and I am ready to discuss that and others if you like. Please take a look at my website you will be happy. I hope you can do basic programming.

        The programs are at my website

        http://www.qsa.netne.net

        please make sure you unzip the file properly, the code is in JavaScript, the programs are very simple. also see the posts in my thread for some more info.

        you can find my essay at this link

        http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1877

        Thank you.

        P.S. my ancestors are from Pars province. I listened to you piano piece. Why do Iranian music sound so sad even when they are meant to be happy ? I guess it is superposition!!

        Adel

          Hi Alan,

          Yes indeed, your memory serves you correctly. I just now have the time to read some of the essays (including yours) in depth and will leave my remarks on your post.

          All the best,

          Armin

          Armin,

          taking "distinctions to be a prerequisite for the definition of information" you assume Bit from It. No wonder that quantum theory cannot be background independent.

          Best

          Mauro

            Dear Armin,

            I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

            Regards and good luck in the contest.

            Sreenath BN.

            http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

              Dear Michel,

              Thank you for your encouragement. I agree that contextuality is a primary reason that we cannot assume that a quantum system had a definite value for an observable prior to a measurement.

              In my paper I tried to go a step further and argue that this is because, prior to a measurement, a quantum system has no such thing as a "property" for which the observable is the quantum mechanical analog. If the default specification principle applies to this situation, then it would mean that we'd have to describe the pre-measurement state of a system in terms of all possible ways in which it could manifest itself if it were to attain that property, where "possible ways" depends on the features of the background. I see the role of contextuality in the fact that measurements of other observables of the system and/or of observables of entangled systems are among the determinants of such background features.

              I read the paper you referenced and found the section about quantum phase locking the most interesting, as I was unfamiliar with some of the ideas it presented. I have also read your mathematically sophisticated entry to this contest, and will leave a brief comment on your column.

              Best Regards,

              Armin

              Hello Joe,

              The passage you referenced made a passing comment about translating a set of distinctions into information, and the point was that while there is no upper bound to how complicated such a translation can be made, the lowest bound is to just multiply them by a constant so that they can be expressed terms of pure numbers.

              You wrote: "Patterns are not unique, once. Expressions are not unique, once. Multiplication is not unique, once. Arbitrary constants are not unique, once. Value is not unique, once. Chosen dimensions are not unique, once. Numerical values are not unique, once. Convenience is not unique, once. And formats are not unique, once."

              I'm afraid I don't follow your point. I come away with the impression, however, that you judged an entire essay by the use of a single word.

              Armin

              Hello Akinbo,

              Thank you for taking the time to read my essay. Yes indeed, time does come to the rescue, so to speak, to help with the map problem, but once we allow it to come to our rescue, we are no longer talking about Newtonian Physics.

              In Newtonian physics, time is absolute; clocks (properly calibrated) tick the same for every observer. One way I like to think of this is in terms of the relation between the Lorentz coordinate transformations and the Galilean Transformations. In the limit in which the speed of light is set to infinity, the former reduce to the latter. This is important because the speed of light is not only a quantity of motion in space, it is also quantity of motion in time or "aging" (If you'd like this discussed in more detail, you can see my entry to the very first FQXi contest entitled "A Derivation of the Speed of light Postulate"). So, a way to frame the absoluteness of time in Newtonian physics is to realize that if you wish to consider space and time as a single continuum, then everybody ages infinitely fast through it. But for any finite temporal distance this implies that it is no longer possible to define finite durations. The resolution is that time must be decoupled from space: the four-dimensional continuum splits into three spatial and one time dimensions. I think that once time is decoupled from space, you can no longer maintain that it helps create patterns in the background, because it is now clearly separate from it.

              I believe General Relativity is what you get when you permit in the most general way for time to help describe background patterns. Consider a region described by the Schwarzschild metric and two clocks which are separated along the radial direction from a nearby gravity source. The difference in the radial distance manifests itself not only in space but also in time: Not only is the radial distance of the the clock which is closer to the gravity source observed to be different from what it would have been in the absence of that source by some factor, but it is also observed to tick more slowly than the other one by the inverse of that factor. In my view, this is what we call "gravity".

              Going back to Newtonian Physics, if time as a pattern-introducing factor in empty space is excluded because assigning that role to it changes the nature of the theory, and one considers fields to be objects in space rather than properties of space itself, then I cannot see any way to introduce such a pattern in the absence of matter or energy.

              All the best,

              Armin

              Dear Hoang cao Hai,

              The answer to the theme of the contest given by my essay is: It depends.

              It depends on which domain of physics you are considering, and once you consider the domain of quantum mechanics, it depends on whether you are willing to dichotomize the relationship between pre-measurement and immediate post-measurement states in terms of information versus substance.

              The concluding paragraph of my essay expresses all this in sufficient detail as succinctly as I could.

              All the best,

              Armin

              Dear Antony,

              Yes, this is a rough summary but as with any question rich in nuances it is not possible to point out all the subtleties involved in a short paper, so let me take a moment to point out some of the considerations that could modify the "first order" conclusion but were omitted for the sake of brevity:

              1. Newtonian physics can also be described in terms of the relationist view, according to which there is no such thing as space in and of itself, only relations between objects. This conception of space is much closer to "it from bit" although there is still the difficulty that the objects that are carriers of these relations still seem to be much closer to substance than information.

              2. The information-oriented approach in general relativity implies a truly radical worldview, because it would mean that at the most fundamental level there is only "bit". By this approach "It" is a derivative concept that can only be defined from within the confines of the "bit". This is a little like the following situation: if you imagine that you could somehow enter the world of a video game, then from within that world you could think of things in the game as having substance, even though the only thing of "real" substance is the hardware on which the video game runs. Under the substance-oriented approach, however, there is no hardware. The "background", by virtue of having been merged with the objects, leaves you with disembodied information, the only embodiment of which is from within the confines of the software.

              3. In quantum mechanics, I think the pre-measurement of a quantum state could be identified with information if one thinks of it in terms of what philosophers call a "disposition" . However, I happen to believe that it is something more than a mere disposition for reasons that would be too difficult to clearly explain in a short post. I have a paper in preparation in which I try to make the distinction clear, but the bottom line is this: If a quantum state is in fact an intermediate state of being, as opposed to a mere disposition, then it could properly be neither thought of as substance nor as information. It vs. bit would then be a false dichotomy. However, because the characteristics of this intermediate state are so close to a disposition, in the first approximation one could still think of it in terms of information. This, however, still leaves the problem that there is a classical observer and a classical background which are not so readily conceivable in terms of mere information.

              I hope I have been able to convey that my answers to such a deep question are far from clear-cut even though at first glance they may seem so. I will shortly post a comment on your essay. Thank you for reading my essay.

              All the best,

              Armin

              Dear Giacomo,

              Thank you for reading my essay and for your comment. I must admit that I do not see where in that sentence I assumed Bit from It. All it expresses is that one can have at minimum a bit of information if it is possible for something to take on distinct values. To me, that observation seems to be independent of the main theme of this contest.

              I would certainly be glad if you could elaborate why you think that requiring distinctions for the definition of information assumes bit from it.

              All the best,

              Armin

              Hi Sreenath,

              Thank you for downloading the paper, I look forward to your comments and will also take a look at yours.

              All the best,

              Armin

              Dear Sir,

              You are absolutely correct that "each general domain relates a physical object differently to the background against which it exists". We have extended this concept to the Universe in our essay "INFORMATION HIDES IN THE GLARE OF REALITY by basudeba mishra http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1776" published on May 31.

              The central idea of QM that "a physical system does not have a definite state because it must be described in terms of what is called a quantum superposition of states, until one attempts to make an observation or measurement of the system", only expresses the limitations of our observation. The result of measurement is always related to a time t, and is frozen for use at later times t1, t2, etc, when the object has evolved further. All other unobserved states are combined together and are called superposition of states. Hence there is an uncertainty inherent in it, which Shannon calls entropy. In perception, the concept about the object of information remains in a superposition of states in the memory because the mind is not attached to it - hence not observing it. In response to some stimuli that draws our attention, it collapses to a yes/no state to conform or deny its resemblance with the predefined concept. It has nothing to do with the state of the object, which evolves temporally in accordance with deterministic laws of physics. The Moon will continue to exist and the proton-neutron or up-down quark conversion will continue even when we are not looking at it. There is nothing like a 'undead' cat. It evolves independent of observation. The so-called collapse is fantasy, as observation does not kill or make the cat alive. It only reports the state of its temporal evolution in relation to the condition it exists.

              Practical application of QM is related to technology that is developed by trial and error methods taking hints from the observations and not theory. The theories in QM are postulates guided by technological factors and not the opposite. The original postulates like extra dimensions, graviton, strings, quantum foams, branes and braids, etc have not been found - some after more than a century.

              Your "pattern of distinctions" is at the root of number system. Number is a property of all substances by which we differentiate between similars. If there are no other similars, then it is one. If there are similars, then it is many. Depending the times of perception of similars, many can be 2. 3. ....n. Zero is the spatio-temporal absence of something that exists elsewhere. Infinity is like one - without similars - with one difference. While the dimensions (the perception of difference between the "inner structural space" from "outer relational space" of an object) of 'one' are fully perceptible, the dimensions of 'infinity' are not perceptible. Since there are no similars like space or time and since the dimensions of space and time cannot be perceived fully, both are infinite. Like different objects with numbers can co-exist, different similarities can co-exist. Mathematics, which is linear and non-linear accumulation and reduction of similars or partly similars, is possible only between numbers, whose dimensions are fully perceived. Hence mathematics using infinities is not possible. Complex numbers are hypothetical and not physical. It is like adding horn and rabbit to describe the horns of a rabbit, which is physically not permissible. Hence, they cannot be used in computer programming.

              Information is specific data reporting the state of something based on observation (measurements, i.e., comparison between similars), organized and summarized for a purpose within a context that gives it meaning and relevance and can lead to either an increase in understanding or decrease in uncertainty. Information is not tied to one's specific knowledge of how particles are created and their early interactions, just like the concepts signifying objects are not known to all. But it should be tied to universal and widely accessible properties. Fresh impulse (readings, symbols), when cognized by a conscious agent (compared with memory as those known concepts or otherwise - yes/no), is information. Otherwise, it is data.

              Both space and time are related to the order of arrangement in the field, i.e., sequence of objects and changes in them (events) as they evolve. The interval between objects is space and that between events is time. Both space and time co-exist like the fundamental forces of Nature. To that extent, space can be a background structure also. This makes motion possible. Similarly, the sequential arrangements of letters form words with different concepts conveying fixed meanings. This makes communication possible.

              The statement that "general relativity is considered a background-independent theory" is not correct because velocity of light is medium based, as it is related to the refractive index of the medium. Maxwell's equations are background invariant. Transverse waves are always characterized by particle motion being perpendicular to the wave motion. This implies the existence of a medium through which the reference wave travels and with respect to which the transverse wave travels in a perpendicular direction. In the absence of the reference wave, which is a longitudinal wave, the transverse wave can not be characterized as such. Transverse waves are background invariant by its very definition. Since light is a transverse wave, it is background invariant. Einstein's ether-less relativity is not supported by Maxwell's Equations nor the Lorentz Transformations, both of which are medium (aether) based. Thus, the non-observance of aether drag (as observed in Michelson-Morley experiments) cannot serve to ultimately disprove the background structure. The so-called non-interacting dark energy may be the background structure. We have discussed it in our essay.

              In the thread of Dr. Reed and many others, we have proved that the equivalence principle is wrong description of facts. Relativity is an operational concept, but not an existential concept. The equations apply to data and not to particles. He assumed space as empty and mass-less, which it certainly is not. Since space is full of energy; hence mass according to the mass energy equivalence principle, then the mathematics of General Relativity is highly misleading. Further, it should be based on a constant differential that is not zero and seek the motion of some given mass or volume. This mass or volume may be as small as we like, but it cannot be zero (hence no infinities). This causes several fundamental and far-reaching changes to the mathematics of GR, but the first of these changes is of course the elimination of singularity from all solutions. Therefore the central "fact" of the black hole must be given up. Whatever may be at the center of a black hole, it cannot be a "singularity".

              Our purpose is not to criticize your essay, but express our views so that you can take these into consideration. Learning is a never ending process and we learn from each other. We liked many of your discussions. You are welcome to read our essay or write to mbasudeba@gmail.com.

              Regards,

              basudeba

                Hi Armin

                I believe that Nature is tolerant in the sense that it provides for redundancies to occur. Without the redundancies or the existence of alternative ways of doing things, I doubt that we or anything else in the universe could have existed. Linguist Noam Chomsky has shown how children were able to acquire automatically their native tongues, even under parental circumstances that are worlds apart. In the context of physics, Richard Feynman has proved that his all-paths formulation of quantum mechanics is the same as Schrodinger formulation.

                In my essay "Analogical Engine", Wheeler's "It from Bit" can be represented as a duality similar in form to "same-difference", or to "wave-particle", or to "quantum-classical", or to "order-disorder." After adopting the premise "What quantum is to classical" is similar to "What same is to difference", I have concluded that the Planck constant is the Mother of All Dualities, and a necessary condition of existence for thoughts and things.

                Since your essay topic is about similarities (as required by superpositions) and differences (as required by distinctions), I wonder whether the Constant in your Eq. (1) has similar role that the Planck constant had in quantum theoretical developments. As you know, the Planck constant is obtained historically by the interpolation between low- and high-frequency regimes of the black-body radiation.

                I hope I've more to say while I continue to digest your excellent essay.

                Regards

                Than Tin

                  Dear Basudeba,

                  Thank you for reading my essay. What is really going on behind the scenes in quantum mechanics has not yet been universally settled, so each of us entitled to their own views.

                  Let me just suggest that if you want to bring the "mind" into play, and wish for others to take that possibility seriously, you will have to find a way to formally incorporate it into the framework of physics. By this I mean that you will have to

                  1) find a precise definition of "mind" which might even be amenable to quantitative analysis,

                  2) find a way to express this idea such that it can be incorporated quantitatively in the mathematical framework and equations of quantum mechanics, and

                  3) ideally derive a testable prediction from it.

                  Until all that happens, I am afraid that such propositions for understanding quantum mechanics at a deep level will be dismissed as fringe or worse, pseudoscience (unfortunately, even if you do the above, you are still not guaranteed that it won't be dismissed as fringe science).

                  Notice that I am not saying that you are necessarily wrong, but that if you really want to advocate your interpretation of quantum mechanics more widely so that others will seriously consider it, you have a lot more work to do.

                  Here are some comments on the individual paragraphs you wrote:

                  Re: Technological applications vs theory

                  I think it is exactly the opposite from the way you describe. The original axioms of quantum mechanics in its modern version were developed around 1924-1927 based on experimental data that had, at the time, no foreseeable technological applications. The Rayleigh scattering, blackbody radiation, photoelectric effect, spectral line emission, double slit, stern gerlach etc. experiments were not carried out because they were technological applications but fundamental science experiments meant to help us understand nature. Once the theory was developed, it set the groundwork for technological applications. Things like "extra dimensions, graviton, strings, quantum foams, branes and braids" are all speculative extensions that came later, and, I agree, their empirical verification so far has been dismal.

                  Re: Foundations of mathematics

                  This is not an area about which I know a lot, but let me say at least regarding complex numbers, keep in mind that the imaginary number i appears in Schroedinger's equation, and that equation has worked for the last 90 years or so to describe nature so there must be some physical connection.

                  Re: Ether and background

                  Why light (or for that matter anything) has wave properties in the absence of a medium is an open question that apparently most physicists have unfortunately relegated to the realm of philosophy. I have worked on a framework which gives an explanation and does not require a medium. Essentially, the wave properties are due to phase factor that is associated with each quantum state, so the question then reduces to why there is a phase factor associated with each state (which is incidentally also responsible for the imaginary factor i in Schroedinger's equation). If you are really interested to know more about it, you can take a look at my submission to the third FQXi contest, "A Derivation of the Quantum Phase". Frankly, to make sense out of nature, I do not need an ether.

                  Re: Relativity

                  It seems that you think that both special and general relativity are false. The argument that you will run into by physicists is that these are "tested" every day several thousand times, e.g in the form of particle accelerator experiments, GPS corrections and astronomical observations.

                  It is not inconceivable that they could one day be replaced by a better theory, but if you think that this is the case you will need to do the same things I mentioned at the beginning of this post, but applied to relativity. It will be a steep path.

                  Good luck and thanks again for reading my essay,

                  Armin

                  Hi Than,

                  Thank you for reading my essay. The general thought about redundancies sounds highly plausible to me. I will read your essay and post a comment there shortly.

                  Equation (1)is different from ordinary equations in that it is more a template for equations than an equation in the usual sense. If you substitute Planck's constant you will still need to specify at least one other term to allow it to specialize to a known equation. Of course, two candidates for (arrangement of substance) come immediately to mind: Energy and momentum. In that case (using the inverse of Planck's constant), you get on the left the frequency and wavelength for a quantum object i.e. a photon. I had actually not thought about it in this way before, but off the top of my head I don't see any reason why one could not think of those relations as special cases of equation (1).

                  So, thank you for your comment, I'll think about this some more.

                  All the best,

                  Armin