Dear Pankaj Mani,

Thanks for your comments. We seem to agree that the math maps physical structures and that "math maps on physical territory form the substance of physics."

I will look at your essay on vibration. As I tend to a continuum-based interpretation of reality, vibration certainly plays a significant role in my physics, but I will study your essay and respond on your page. I have some difficulty envisioning Bell's non-locality as purely vibration-based, although for the photon-based experiments I do not rule this out.

Thanks for your kind words about by essay.

Best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dear Cristi Stoica,

Thank you for reading my essay, which I know is in conflict with your current view. Thus I'm really grateful to you for making the effort. I will try to answer your questions.

1. Yes, there is a typo in my energy exchange theorem, as I note above on Mar 15, 2015 @ 00:19 GMT. My essay posted on Jan 9 and I tried to submit a corrected version on Jan 10, but the [correct] FQXi policy is to not change essays after they post. It is an obvious typo and has not seemed to throw anyone off, as it is cancelled in the same line.

2. Also, as discussed in one of the many comments above, the angle θ (with one exception) always refers to the local angle between the spin and the magnetic field in the local Stern-Gerlach apparatus. Only in the figures on page 7 [where θ is shown as the horizontal axis) does θ represent the angle between Alice's setting a and Bob's setting b, which is the angle that appears in the QM correlation, -a.b. I apologize for any confusion. In Stern-Gerlach sources the angle is usually θ = (λ,B) while in Bell sources θ = (a,b).

3. No, the particles do not show the same θ. The local θ in Alice's device is θ = (λ,a) while the local θ in Bob's device is θ = (-λ,b). Only the local θ has relevance for the local physics that leads to the non-±1 scattered deflection.

4. The energy modes M0 and M1 are local. M0 is the θ-dependent precession energy associated with configuration -λ.B that is initially not aligned but vanishes when the spin λ aligns with the local field. M1 is the θ-dependent vertical component of the kinetic energy that did not exist when the particle entered on the horizontal axis with only horizontal velocity. Thus the precession energy vanishes and the deflection energy appears locally, and the local conservation follows the Energy-Exchange theorem. And as the deflection is θ-dependent, this dependence can be seen in the measurment data, but is not present in the [incomplete] quantum mechanical formulation, hence is 'hidden'.

5. The theory [based on energy exchange] calculates a local deflection for Alice denoted by A(λ,a) where both the spin λ and the setting a are randomly generated. Similarly for Bob. These produce scattering or deflections represented by the local θ-dependent position of the particle on the detecting screen. A(λ,a) is read from Alice's screen (as calculated by the theory) and B(-λ,b) is read from Bob's screen, (also calculated by the theory.) It is these two values that are multiplied in pairwise fashion to produce the correlation. But the definition of the expectation value also contains the distribution of values AB, so, as A and B are calculated for 3,000,000 sets of random numbers, the distribution of the results is determined by computer, not from a formula, but from actual data, in a multichannel-analyzer-like analysis. This is used to compute the correlation shown on page 7. The basic formula or definition of expectation value is

< AB > = SUM [ p(AB) (AB) ]

6. Yes, my theory is local, in that critical settings a and b never appear together, unlike quantum mechanics where a and b do occur in the expectation value. Of course a goes into the calculation of A(λ,a) but it is combined into a product term and cannot be factored out, so it is not present as a in the result. [Just as, if a = 4 and λ = 9, the product term 36 implicitly contains both a and λ but they cannot be explicitly factored out.] Nor is b factorable from Bob's numeric result B(-λ,b). Thus only the [computed or measured] numbers,not containing a and b, are used, and yet, given the physics of energy exchange - based on local conservation - the correlation that results is -a.b. Mine is the only theory that is truly and provably local.

The above is a very subtle point, and if you still have questions on this point I will be happy to try to answer them.

Thank you for your best wishes, and especially thanks for taking the time to read and study what you viewed ahead of time as almost certainly a waste of time (kind of like perpetual motion).

My best wishes for you Cristi,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dear Armin,

I regret that the thread of your well formed comment was broken by nonsense.

Thanks for returning after you've had more time to review my essay. You boil it down to opposition arising from my presenting an answer to a question no one is asking. You you are probably correct in this. The treatment of Joy Christian, for example, has certainly deterred many from asking this question. It has apparently even prevented many of the establishment from reading my essay, and certainly from commenting. In short, it is a taboo question to ask whether Bell was wrong.

You correctly observed that "in order for someone to seriously consider [my] argument, they have to first be willing to question whether the Stern-Gerlach experiment really has been misinterpreted all along for the last 90 years, which is what [my] assertion amounts to."

You suggest that I collect all the SG data and statistically analyze it to show that interpreting its outcomes and binary terms is a mistake. You make a good point. But as I have a personal subscription to Phys Rev Letters, I am not in a university environment with access to all different journals, and therefore I frequently run into pay-walls. Moreover, there is abundant evidence on other FQXi threads (JC's, specifically) that people will argue statistics until the cows come home. So while your suggestion is a good one, it seems not best for me with neither access to the data nor much competence in statistics.

I certainly agree with you that the burden of proof is on me. And as others have reminded me, great claims require great proof. In my opinion, it will be easier to conduct a new SG type experiment to explicitly test for θ-dependence than it will be to gather all data and statistically analyze it, so it is my intent to perform or have performed this specific experiment. Of course, even experiments can be and are ignored, if they go against the grain (see, e.g. Martin Tajmar).

On the other hand, I think it is incontrovertible that Bell's interpretation of Stern-Gerlach leads to a contradiction. He interprets SG as a constant field through which dipoles precess, which leads to zero deflection, while the entire content of his theory requires ±1 deflection, an obvious contradiction. And it does not take much to see that when the non-constant (gradient) term is added to the Hamiltonian, then Pauli's eigenvalue equation should be affected. These are simply issues of logic that any physicist should be able to follow, and one would think they might be caused to wonder about this aspect of Bell.

In addition it is easy to show that the local model I derive does reproduce the quantum mechanical correlations [see page 7] against all gospel, and one would think this would arouse curiosity among 'real' physicists, especially when the correlation fails if Bell's constraints are imposed.

Finally, there is matter of intuition. In this contest at least Phil Gibbs and Ken Wharton have expressed that "intuition" is a thing to be wary of. Most of us are familiar with the theory that says we evolved in a macro-sized world, and therefore our intuition - whatever it is - is simply not suited to the microworld and should not be expected to be so. But my own theory of consciousness does not view consciousness as an artifact, but more as inherent in nature, not quite panpsychism, but close, and in this view intuition is less 'scale-dependent' and more in tune with the true nature of the world, in which case the intuitive rejection of non-locality is not to be dismissed.

Nevertheless, you have put quite a bit of effort into analyzing the context in which my theory is presented, and have made quite sensible suggestions. For this I thank you sincerely. Yet, as Tom Phipps remarks, the establishment knows how to close ranks in defense of the status quo, and "this means that progress can only occur from inside, and at a snail's pace."

I am not quite as old as Tom, but I am not well suited to a 'snail's pace' at my age. Better to present the logic, the history, the analysis, the model, the results, and the interpretation that contradicts Bell and then focus on an experiment that will prove [or not] my theory.

Thank you very much for your well thought out and friendly, supportive, suggestion.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Gordon

Last year, you sent me several papers for review and comment, and at that time it appeared you may have shown the mathematical basis for my physics-based Bell argument, and you have been given full credit for your relevant contributions in my QSLR paper [reference 2]. However after several months of examining that path, I became convinced that your math did not solve the Bell problem, and yours is, in fact, a non-local approach as you depend upon bringing both Alice's and Bob's remote settings into your local calculation, as does quantum mechanics. As I am only interested in a local model, this disqualifies your approach as far as I'm concerned. As to this paper, I have properly credited all the contributions and sources.

After developing my computer simulation, I realized that it is Bell's insistence on suppressing the physics by imposing the ±1 constraints that is at the root of Bell's error. As you continue to apply these constraints, your model does not resemble my model in any way, nor does it address the problem. You have a formal, non-physical, approach that yields a non-local calculation of Bell's theorem.

As witnessed on other threads, when the code from models is introduced, all physics discussion goes out the window and the topic focuses on coding. My objective is to provide enough insight into the physics that others, skilled in both physics and computing, can independently generate the same results by following the logic I lay out, without being influenced by whatever code I have used. Bell's theorem must be discussed at the level of physics. It is not a math problem, per se, nor does your mathematical approach, devoid of physics, solve Bell's problem.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dear Edwin,

Sorry for taking so long to come back but this isn't a facile topic. I had to read your paper a few times, revisit both Bell and SG and then go through (almost all) the comments, since I had some questions and I suspected I can find the answers there (and I did). I can say it was an interesting and exciting read so I felt motivated to put some effort into understanding it.

I think your writing style is both enjoyable and clear, though I'm sure that you would have been more comfortable if you had a couple of extra pages, option that was taken away by the contest rules. I think that if Scientific American or any other magazine would want to write an article for the public, they could because everything you present is a problem of logic. Surely some readers have problems with the physics because it's difficult to imagine moving scenarios, but a short animated clip can very easily show how and why precession and deflection in magnetic fields influence where a particle lands in an experiment. When I started I wasn't very familiar with the topic, but right now I have at least a feeling of understanding or intuition, so you shouldn't be worried that your paper would be unclear for most readers; I know you mentioned this was a concern for you.

I will shortly outline my key take-aways to check my understanding. You are noticing that Bell starts with quantized spin so we revisit the experiment which established that. We start with a formulation of the movement of an uncharged particle through a magnetic field and show that there exists energy exchange between the particle's precession (magnetic moment) and the deflection on the field gradient, and thus the trace of the real spin is preserved (I mean real as in 3D coordinate system of real numbers) through the position of the particle on the SG screen. So in a set of two anticorrelated particles, one shouldn't expect to find two values of spin, but any two opposite values of spin, a more general result meaning that spin is not necessarily quantized. The usual entanglement correlation is due to conservation of the original angular momentum of the particles from source to screen. The SG quantization depends on the length (and strength?) of the field generated by the device.

What hasn't been asked before, and therefore I can ask now without asking you to revisit the same topic time and again, is about the experiment you mention close to the end. You said that theta-dependent scattering should be testable; are you referring to the Alice and Bob setup in page 6 (a spin correlated SG pair) or do you have something else in mind? If you do have something else in mind, do you develop it in another paper? I'd like to try to read it. To rephrase, what is the experiment you'd like to do if you would receive funding? Also since my understanding is that the same correlations can be obtained with a classical model, do you expect to find any difference between an experiment you might set up and a Bell experiment? I know that in your setup you can calculate the results in advance but what I mean is, will the shape on the screen be different or should the result look the same? Should the reasoning allow you to make different predictions from Bell or SG? Again, if you develop a setup anywhere else, I'd be interested to try to understand it.

Warm regards,

Alma

    I realized that I forgot to ask you something. I tried to search online for new revisions of the SG experiment but for me it proved impossible to find relevant information. Upper on the page in the comments, there's mentioning of a serial SG where particles are prepared in one spin position, then go through a second field and still end up in both the upper and the lower half plane. Do you know if that experiment has ever been performed and what's the result? I know you did a lot of research on the topic, so I tried to find answers to my questions in the references you used in the other two papers but couldn't; there's just too much information. If you encountered a paper that acts as a hub and points out the most known SG type experiments, can you please tell me which one is it?

    I know you already have lots of comments and I'm sorry to burden you further but you made me curious and you're very nice and answer everyone.

    Alma

    Alma,

    If I may interject, it is frustrating finding reference to SG experimentation and I've noticed that there is often more about deflection of electrons than there is about neutral atoms with a magnetic moment. I think in searching, one must be aware that the focus is on the typical shaping of the magnets themselves which produces an inhomogeneous field intensity, whereas uniform magnets with flat surfaces facing each other produce a homogeneous intensity at least throughout the region bounded by the surface area of the faces.

    But electron streams behave differently than do neutrons (or neutral atoms) which possess a magnetic moment, and the Quantum Mechanical standard model treats electrons as point particles because the electrical charge does not exhibit a pole. The 'negative' charge is uniformly spherical so it doesn't present a differentiated directional attitude at any time in crossing the field, it will be deflected the same amount relative only to magnetic field intensity in accord with Faraday's right hand rule. Like in a cathode ray tube. Also, science lacks a general definition of 'charge', positive and negative are merely operational definitions and though the inverse square law holds true in experimental measurement, there is no theoretical basis that limits the intensity of charge and so mathematically it goes to a singularity of infinite intensity. So it gets treated as a point particle.

    "Spin" is a property of the electron point particle which has no correlation to a classical physical rotation. It is a measurement function that can be used to establish an ad hoc directional attitude in the otherwise homogeneous spherical negative charge field of the elusive electron. IF (!) there is a physical rotation experienced by an electron giving rise to a magnetic dipole moment, that magnetic moment is overwhelmed by interaction of the charge field and the directional field of the magnets. And IF (!) it exists and persists it aligns as if it were the same as the axis of the ad hoc measurement schemata, and consequently has no 'wobble' which would precess.

    So electrons are not what were used in the original Stern-Gerlach experiments that John Bell referred to. S-G used neutral silver atoms which possess a magnetic dipole moment which precesses. Good Luck finding reference to S-G type laboratory studies of that sort. SG magnet arrays seem to be used primarily for electron traps. Cheers jrc

    JRC,

    Thanks for your comment. I am not sure why you mention electrons. I explicitly mentioned uncharged particles so, worst case scenarios, I was thinking neutrinos or you haven't read my comment :)

    All of my 2 questions to Edwin are genuine and I am not making any assumptions. I asked what kind of experiment would he make should he receive funding and if he can point me out some direction for further reading. I'm sure he would gladly answer the first and if he won't answer the second I guess I'll just remain curious, tough luck. I did spend a lot of time trying to understand his work (because it's very interesting) and reply to him and I am sure he does rather appreciate it. Thanks for wishing me good luck in finding SG type experiments. Cheers Alma

    Dear Edwin,

    Your thorough and well-presented technical argument is something I need to spend more time with. But the point of the essay is very interesting and probably worthy of a good deal of discussion. When I began studying mathematics I was most intrigued by, what my teachers often called, counter-intuitive results. I enjoyed the fact that a formalism of our own making could produce these kinds of surprises. There was some non-obvious thing about the relationship between mathematical thought and intuition. This relationship is even more interesting when one recognizes the crucial role mathematical intuition plays in developing mathematics. And so while I very much enjoy the way you use mathematics to bring a physical idea more in line with our intuition, I think I will be slow to accept that the counter-intuitive ideas are incorrect.

    I do appreciate your comment on my essay and hope we find opportunities to continue to communicate,

    Best,

    Joselle

      Dear Edwin,

      Thank you for the answers. Although you provided detailed answers to my questions, I still don't get it. I think I need more details. Could you please show me the formula by which Alice and Bob calculate A(λ,a), and what are the inputs? Then how to calculate from these the expectation value, so we can see if we get the same correlations as QM? Perhaps if you have a concrete example, that would be great. Sorry for not being able to find these myself, I also looked in your references [2,3], but I missed them.

      Best regards,

      Cristi

      Dear Alma,

      As this comment will probably be hidden, I will answer you in a new thread below.

      Edwin Eugene Klingman

      Dear Alma,

      Thank you for the effort you have put into understanding my theory. As you note in your essay

      "Mathematical physics is only as good as physical insight."

      The mathematical physics surrounding Bell is primarily logic-based and is based on very simple physics that leads to a contradiction. You note in a comment that "it's easier to find a certain logical theory - one only needs a brain - than build the LHC - one needs a bit more than a brain."

      Fortunately, answering the physical questions underlying my theory will not require an LHC-size expenditure of money or effort, and, from my perspective, it will have greater payback than LHC has had. The Higgs has been assumed for years, and now supposedly exists, although proving 'zero spin' should be interesting. SUSY has also been assumed for years and apparently doesn't exist. So years-long assumptions in physics do not always imply much for reality. The 50-year long assumption that "local models cannot produce QM correlations" can be overthrown by just one model that does produce QM correlations, as I have shown. But, in the spirit of FQXi, one must ask whether I have just played another mathematical trick on physicists. That is best answered by experiment, which you focus on in your comment.

      As John noted, and as you had correctly qualified in your comment, Stern-Gerlach is based on uncharged particles, as the interaction of charged particles with the magnetic field is so strong as to effectively swamp the signal (deflection) from magnetic moment interactions with the field. Like me, your brain may decouple from your fingers, so that when you thought neutron, your fingers typed neutrino. I mention this because neutrons are uncharged but do possess spin and magnetic moment, the moment deriving from the charged quark constituents. Neutrinos are, as far as we know, fermions with spin but not possessing a dipole moment as they are not constructed from charged constituents. Thus neutrinos perfectly exemplify Dirac's fundamental helicity eigenvalue equation, but Pauli's provisional spin eigenvalue equation, based on the interaction of the moment with the constant field, does not apply at all. Very interesting. If that was a typo, thank you for making the typo.

      Referring to the iconic postcard [p.3] it is obvious that the distribution of deflections [positions on the detector] cannot be characterized as a "point", +1 or -1. But the question is "What causes the distribution?" The assumption, for 90 years, has apparently been that variations in temperature, hence velocity, of the atoms is responsible for the data spread. Thus the key to an experiment to test θ-dependence of deflection is to 'fix' velocity, which should not be overly difficult.

      If, as I assume, and as fits the facts, the spin of the particle exiting the SG-device is aligned with the field, then one can "prepare" a known spin, say 'up' in the z-direction. One must then select particles with very tightly controlled velocity and input such particles to a second Stern-Gerlach apparatus, oriented it angle θ to the z-axis, and obtain precise position measurements from the second SG-device. By varying the angle θ and comparing the deflection observed to that predicted by my theory, it should not be difficult to determine whether my theory is confirmed or not.

      One assumes that, using 2015 technology, it will be possible to obtain much better results than did Stern-Gerlach in 1922. There is anecdotal evidence that it was Stern's cheap cigar whose sulfides were responsible for oxidizing the silver atoms and making them visible. We could probably do it today without the cheap cigar.

      As you mention Alice and Bob, I should clarify that only one spin is needed to prove θ-dependence, whereas two (anti-correlated) spins are required for the EPR correlation test. Thus my experiment requires one SG-device to prepare the known spin, a filter to restrict velocity input to the second SG-device and a sensitive detector of position.

      Alma, your bio implies that you are a non-physicist. It is fascinating to me (and very admirable) that you could work through my essay several times, and all comments above, and obtain the understanding you evidence in your comment. Contrast this with world-class experts some of whom are participating as authors in this contest who apparently will not look, let alone comment. This speaks to the social control of the established institutions, who control funding, and publications, and do not like rocking boats.

      Your third paragraph in your 10:22 comment above is very well stated and proves that you clearly understand my theory. I would modify only the statement that "the spin is not necessarily quantized" [which is correct] to state that spin is a vector with magnitude and direction. The magnitude is quantized, but the direction is not. In a constant field the projection of spin on the field axis is also quantized, but this changes in an inhomogeneous field.

      Your second question is the harder of the two to answer. There are very many quantum textbooks available, most of which present the classical Bell picture of precessing particles described by Pauli's eigenvalue equation and then generate the simple qubit eigenvalue equation, [see my endnotes, page 11] and go from there. In my references [2] and [4] I include more specific references. I think you might either start with my reference [2] or perhaps with, JR Stenson, 2005, "Representations for Understanding the Stern-Gerlach Effect", thesis BYU, both of which are available online free.

      Let me repeat how pleased I am that a non-professional-physicist can read my essay, understand it, summarize it in a brief paragraph, ask intelligent and relevant questions that had not been asked before, and look for further information. That has brightened my day.

      My very best regards

      Edwin Eugene Klingman

        Dear Joselle,

        Thank you for reading my essay closely. As you state in your essay,

        "Statistics is not only intuitive, but part of our intuition. Biologically, the brain seems to be good at a kind of statistical calculation."

        As I indicated, this is quite compatible with my own understanding of the brain and consciousness. But you state specifically that when you began studying mathematics you were most intrigued that your intuitive grasp of mathematics could lead to counter-intuitive results. Thus you think you "will be slow to accept that the counter-intuitive ideas are incorrect."

        I think perhaps I should state more clearly that I am not opposed to all non-intuitive results of math and physics, only those that do violence to such powerful intuition as local realism. This is the most basic intuition of nature.

        On the other hand I am thoroughly convinced that quantum physicists and other physicists are missing some fascinating physics exactly because non-linearity is non-intuitive and thus few can employ their intuition to profitably exploit non-linear phenomena. This is, perhaps, a matter of degree, but it is still significant from the aspect of physics. For an example of this, I refer you to the figure on page 4 of my 2013 FQXi essay: Gravity and the Nature of Information. The curve becomes almost 'straight up' at a certain point. This does not happen with linearity, for which our intuition is finely tuned.

        So I highly value non-intuitive non-linearity and hope to extract real gold from this field. At the same time I reject non-locality for the physics reasons I describe in my essay. I hope this makes you a bit more comfortable with my approach to intuition.

        Thank you sincerely for reading and communicating,

        Best wishes,

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

        Dear Alma,

        There are so many interesting questions and comments, for all of which I am grateful, that I believe I missed a key question in your Mar 17@11:15 comment.

        You first look for new revisions of the SG-experiment and have not had much better luck than I in finding such. It appears that from Aspect's 1982 experiment on, most, if not all experiments have been photon-based, which is another can of worms that I have not yet analyzed, as there are very significant physical differences despite the simplistic +1 and -1 logic applied. Binary counters subsume the θ-information that is quite evident in the Stern-Gerlach position-based results.

        But you also mention

        "Serial SG where particles are prepared in one spin position, then go through a second field and still end up in both upper and lower half planes."

        You are very astute to catch this. You ask if I know whether that experiment has been performed and what is the result?

        What you are describing is the scheme invented by Richard Feynman and used to develop spin-based quantum mechanics in his 1964 Lectures in Physics, vol III. It is also used to introduce quantum mechanics in JJ Sakurai's Modern Quantum Mechanics and more recently by John Townsend in A Modern Approach to Quantum Mechanics, wherein he states, on page 7 that this "modified SG device" was "introduced as a thought experiment" by Richard Feynman.

        It is my belief that this is still only a "thought experiment". Moreover, Feynman often stated that the fundamental mystery of QM is captured in the "two-slit" interference experiment, and he was apparently trying to construct a spin-based analog of the two-slit interference experiment. Therefore, in my opinion, Feynman assumed that the quantum mechanical treatment of spin paralleled the two-slit quantum mechanics and proceeded to present this modified SG device as if it were true!

        I have recently begun questioning this in terms of my theory, and am currently developing a simulation based on energy-exchange physics to try to model this.

        I consider it entirely possible that Feynman just got carried away with his analogy and made up this physics which has been accepted as gospel for lo these 50 years. [You read it here first!] I believe it may be possible to actually perform a version of this experiment, and, although it's too early for me to be sure, I rather expect his physics to fail.

        Feynman was such a genius, and so sharp-witted and sharp tongued, that I'm sure no one called him on this, as the analogy is almost perfect. But is it true? Stay tuned.

        Thanks again for your exceedingly valuable questions.

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

        Hello Edwin,

        As far as the testing of Bell's theorem, you clearly have more intricate knowledge than me. I only know the old school IAAAD arguments of Bell, Bohm and Vigier etc. However, it strikes me that you are claiming the eliminating the +/- 1 eigenvalue restriction allows a local theory to explain the results of Aspect and other related experiments. This does not rule out that it may still be a non-local quantum potential that also explains the results. It may just be that Bell's inequalities are no longer able to determine whether interactions are local or non-local. I am quite prepared to believe that.

        Congratulations on a very thought provoking essay.

        Regards

        Neal

          Dear Cristi,

          I am grateful that you are making the effort to understand my theory, and will try hard to assist you. It is only people like you who can actually end up accepting my theory.

          Before describing the local deflection formula, let's discuss the inputs. Alice will input a, representing the orientation of her Stern-Gerlach magnetic field axis, and Bob will input b, the orientation of his device. The spins input to each are assumed to be random, and denoted by λ for Alice and the anti-correlated spin -λ for Bob.

          ALL of these parameters, a, b, and λ are generated as random unit vectors in a Bloch sphere.

          As you now understand, the local angle θ = (λ,a) between the local spin and Alice's (any) local SG device initially precesses, then aligns with the field, and the energy of precession is exchanged with (converted to) a vertical component of velocity, hence kinetic energy. The vertical deflection is shown to be proportional to θ, with a contribution x = X(1-cos θ) as given in my equation (4).

          Now consider that the maximum force of the gradient on the dipole occurs when the dipole is aligned with the field, and this can be shown to be X where X is the first term in parentheses in equation (4). This occurs when θ = 0. So the maximum deflection will occur if the particle enters the device aligned with the field and will be X. If the particle is initially not aligned, then the deflection will be less than maximum by the amount x (eqn 4). Thus the maximum minus the θ-dependent contribution is

          X - X(1-cos θ) = X cos θ.

          This is the θ-dependent deflection Bob and Alice will calculate according to my energy-exchange theory. [ Noting that Alice's angle θ = (λ,a) is different from Bob's angle θ = (-λ,b)].

          This formula yields a number, essentially, X cos θ, which will be sent to the statistical unit which accepts Alice's number A(λ,a) [and similarly Bob's number B(-λ,b)] and stores them as a pair for later statistical processing. As I emphasized in my previous answer, although the number was "derived from" a and λ it does not contain a or λ and therefore Alice's a and Bob's b are never present in one place, as they are in the quantum mechanical calculation of the expectation value. Thus the model is truly local.

          So Alice's A output and Bob's B output, neither of which are +1 or -1 as Bell requires, are multiplied to obtain the number AB, and we ask what is the 'average' or 'expectation value' of the ABs?

          The definition of this expectation value is

          < AB > = Sum [ p(AB) * (AB) ] over all i

          where the sum is over all ABs. [I calculate this expectation value based on 10,000 random spins for every pair of settings a and b.]

          Now the AB values are easy - they are computed by simply taking Alice's deflection reading and Bob's and multiplying the two together to obtain AB. But what is the probability distribution of these ABs? As the 10,000 spins per pair (a,b) are generated randomly, the AB values cannot be calculated by a closed form analytic formula, but they are very easily grouped into bins in the manner of multichannel analyzer measurements, and from the distribution of the numbers in the bins, a probability distribution is easily generated. This is the p(AB) for a given AB over all ABs, 10,000 per (a,b) in the case shown in figure 7. This is done for 300 different values of the angle (a,b) which is labeled θ in the figure.

          To summarize: if all spins entered the SG device aligned with the local field, the gradient-based force would be maximum, and the deflections would all go to the same point on the screen, normalized to +1 or -1. This is what Bell assumes. From this simple model Bell is unable to derive quantum correlations.

          But the spins do not enter aligned. They enter with a random orientation, so the deflection is not maximum, X, but is proportional to the angle between the spin and the axis, and is X cos θ. This, not +1 or -1, is the deflection A (or B) sent by Alice (or Bob) to the statistical unit. For a given pair of settings (a,b) 10,000 spins are calculated, and 10,000 numbers AB are generated, and plugged into the sum, weighted by their probability p(AB). This entirely numerical procedure produces the correlation shown, -a.b, which Bell claims to be impossible.

          It is a very simple classical model, which produces the quantum correlation, based on the 'real' physics of the inhomogeneous field (i.e., nonzero gradient) instead of Bell's 'unreal' constant field model which does fail to produce the quantum correlation.

          Let me thank you once again for giving my theory this much attention. I am honored.

          Edwin Eugene Klingman

          Hi Neal,

          Thanks for your comment on my essay. I have analyzed Bell's model extensively. Bohm's model was essentially spin-less, and his 'quantum potential' would seem to go against your position on fields. As I indicate on page 9 of my essay, it is important to keep in mind that the linear momentum |p> and the intrinsic angular momentum |s> are connected only by a tensor product, which is just a trick for keeping them operationally separate while appearing to be 'joined at the hip' into one state vector |ps>.

          My position is that Bell's inequalities are meaningless, as they are derived based on a simple physical model that begins with a contradiction, and goes downhill from there. If your theory is correct, then the entire universe is "non-local" (IAAAD) so Bell is small potatoes. Else, Bell is non-local in an otherwise local universe.

          Thanks for reading and commenting, and thanks for your response to my questions on your thread.

          Best wishes,

          Edwin Eugene Klingman

          Dear Edwin,

          Thank you for your detailed explanations, and for taking time to guide me in your theory. You said that "the AB values cannot be calculated by a closed form analytic formula", which is something that I did not expect. Since I don't have the algorithm by which you do this, I can't say more.

          On the other hand, I am thinking at a way to test your theory against standard Quantum Mechanics.

          If I understand well your explanations, to calculate A(λ,a) you only need to know the angle θ = (λ,a), and to calculate B(-λ,b) you only need the angle θ' = (-λ,b). This suggests the following experiment.

          Suppose that Alice is in Vienna, and Bob at MIT. Consider that Alice has a particle prepared in λ, and Bob one in -λ, which are not entangled (I understand that you don't accept entanglement). Alice chooses the vector a, and Bob the vector b. What does your theory predict? Will they obtain the same correlations -a.b? Because if they will do, this would be different from the predictions of Quantum Mechanics, and this would be an experimentum crucis. What do you think?

          Thank you for your patience to explain me all these.

          Best regards,

          Cristi

          Dear Edwin,

          A pleasure to read your answer! Thank you for your very kind and encouraging words :) I was just as happy as you that I was able to follow through the argument; otherwise I would have been in a delicate position when it came to commenting, haha

          It's very true that I sometimes type something else than I had in mind, and usually a word that's similar to the one I want still in this case the neutrino was a joke; I chose it because it's uncharged but similar to the electron in that SG doesn't work for either, (or at least not with the effect intended by the experiment because they are elementary particles) since neutrinos oscillate between flavors in magnetic fields, disoriented. If I read between the lines correctly, you're thinking of differentiating between Dirac and Pauli spin with neutrino physics? I'm not necessarily expecting an answer here because I realize you might want to keep the idea to yourself instead of making it public before having the chance to work on it. I certainly hope to read it at some point, even if neutrino experiments are difficult to implement right now.

          Thank you for describing your SG model! Is the distance between the devices important in implementing it? I mean obviously it wouldn't be a kilometer, but you probably considered an optimal distance for the setup and how it changes the expected landing spots.

          "The magnitude is quantized, but the direction is not." Thank you for the clarification, as to me it's another confirmation that I managed to understand the theory. It's what I had in mind when I referred quantization because it's obvious from your treatment that it's the direction that you discuss and not the interaction strength. I also realize that I presented SG and Alice and Bob experiments a bit like they are the same thing; in your work it's adamant that they are not. It's my effort to try and save space that is to blame.

          "...the scheme invented by Richard Feynman and used to develop spin-based quantum mechanics.... It is my belief that this is still only a thought experiment". That's exactly why I asked. It wasn't clear to me (and couldn't find any reference) that the setup ever went beyond a gedankenexperiment. It would be very interesting to see it done (and to see how the local theory behaves versus the canonical one), all the more that the experiment is, as you remark, not awfully expensive and SG type experiments are such rarae aves.

          Thank you for the references as well! The internet is both a blessing and a curse because there is so much information available online but so difficult to decide a place to start.

          Yes, Feynman was quite the character and quite the genius and the one who said that no one understands qm. To a character such as Feynman, that must have been such a romantic idea, isn't it? A very human thing to do. Just like today's experts who, trapped between fighting for grants and raising children and achieving their yearly publication quota, raised themselves by their schools in the spirit of Kelvin's rigor, are less open to novelty than they once were.

          Warm regards,

          Alma

          Dear Alma,

          After I posted my last reply I re-read your comment and saw that you said "worst-case scenarios, I was thinking neutrinos..." which implies that neutrinos was not a typo. But it was too late to change my remarks. I continue to like your brand of humor.

          You ask if the distance between the devices (an experimental test of my theory) is important. I don't think so. Distance traveled can amplify the apparent deflection, but I am assuming strong enough magnetic fields that this should not be needed.

          I very much appreciated your bringing up Feynman's gedankenexperiment, as I am cautiously optimistic that this may be a significant difference between QM and the classical local model, and, as such, a very important test. As I noted, I will first try to simulate it.

          Your final sentence correctly uses the word "trapped". Fortunately, I have been independent for long enough that I am not trapped, and therefore can afford to break taboos.

          Finally, I do not expect to convince many people that Bell is wrong with my essay. My hope is that I will convince a number of people that Bell may be wrong, based on my analysis. This would represent a very significant change from today's situation, in which Bell's [erroneous, imo] conclusions are stated as fact. I believe that time and effort spent on understanding my theory will call Bell's physical assumptions into question and I have faith that once the questioning begins, the right answer will be forthcoming.

          My best wishes,

          Edwin Eugene Klingman