Trick or Truth: the Mysterious Connection Between Physics and Mathematics by Sujatha Jagannathan

Very good!

Now the principles must be reduced to predictions. Narkilar, Burbidge and others have tried to produce a better model than the Christian ``In the beginning, ..." but are less predictive. But now that more inconsistent data is resulting is ad hoc addition to the ``beginning'' (big bang) model, the time may be ripe for a reassessment of the Upanishads.

The idea that life is continually replenished through birth and death is in my Scalar Theory of Everything model (2015 contest paper). Is continual replenishment (source) and removal (sink) in our universe consistent with the Upanishads's teaching?

Great paper!

Ma Janani,

Many people read Vedas, but no one understands it. Not a single commentary of the Vedas exists; which gives true interpretation according to Vedaangas taught in the traditional method. Similarly, all commentaries on Vedaanta are faulty. We had written a brief commentary pointing out the mistakes and giving scientific interpretation, with a different classification of forces (you can write to mbasudeba@gmail.com for a copy). Thus, most people interpret these wrongly. Maya is not illusion, but mother of all forces. Uncertainty is not a law of Nature, but arises because of the process of measurement. Our capacity to measure something is limited. We measure the state at a given instant and freeze it for future reference, though the object of measurement continues to evolve in time. Thus, the result of measurement describes something different from the state of the observer at the moment of consideration bringing in uncertainty because we cannot precisely determine the factors influencing time evolution (karmanyevaadhikaaraste...). This forced Ozawa to revise Heisenberg's formulation.

The Upanishads have intrinsic meaning and should not be interpreted literally, because that can be misleading. For example, in your interpretation of the Mundaka (2-2-11), you have interpreted Brahma as Krishna also, which is misleading in the present context, because both have different characteristics, though some common characteristics also. Each term in the Vedas has been written with a purpose and use of synonyms changes the meaning totally. It is easy to say "As is the human body, so is the cosmic body", but to equate the macro with the macro is the biggest challenge before scientists.

Rig Veda (10-129) gives 10 different interpretations of cosmic horizon from different perspectives like "Ambhah Vaada, ahoraatra vaada, sadasat vaada..etc". Your description of Lokas are correct, but interpretation of their mechanism is wrong. It depicts three separate three layered structures. The interpretation of grahas are also different (based on their nature of origin). Vaak is not 'birthing'. Only Ambhrhni Vaak leads to structure formation. Yuga, Manwantara and Kalpa have scientific meanings which do not come out of your paper. It looks like a religious belief. However, carry on with your quest. You can read our essay. Blessings.

basudeba

I'm sure you and Sujatha are more expert than I. I note the Christian ``In the beginning, ..." became the Big Bang model. I suggest Upanishads should be interpreted / restated in modern jargon rather than merely translated.

You list one example: ``It is easy to say "As is the human body, so is the cosmic body", but to equate the macro with the macro is the biggest challenge before scientists.'' Ths follows with the idea that if you understood all that happens as you sit under a tree, you would understand the universe. My interpretation is in 2015 contest paper. That is, that all scales of size in the universe including the universe as a whole (cosmic body) is self-similar (fractal) of our scale (human body).

Dear Sir,

Everyone is an expert in some field or the other and no one is expert in all fields. But often people mis-utilize their own or others expertise.

You are right about "In the beginning....". But then it is only a statement of facts. There must be some mechanism to translate that fact into reality. That mechanism was known to the Lord, but not to us. That is science.

Vedas and Upanishads are not books of any religion, but are books of knowledge that discuss these science. But unfortunately, no one understands its intrinsic meaning and read literal translations only. Mostly, these translations are misleading.

For example, there is a Vedic dictum that macrocosm and microcosm replicate each other (yat pinde tat Brahmaande). But findings the correlations are extremely difficult. Yet, the Vedas say: "arvaagvasu vai Devaanaam Brahmaa", which means planet Jupiter and protons have similar internal structures. Unless knows that the term arvaagvasu means Jupiter based on its mechanism of creation (similarly the other terms), no one can make head or tail of it.

We are reading your essay and will comment soon. You are also welcome to read our essay.

Regards,

basudeba

Sujatha,

I was aware that Schrodinger had been influenced by Indian thought but not the others you mention. Tesla was also familiar with Vedic texts.

I have a couple of questions for you ...

Who has observed the entire calendar? If there is nothing between cycles then who is doing the counting?

Are there any testable predictions? Philosophy is nice but physical truth is tested and measured.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

Sujatha,

I appreciate your interest in science and the Upanishads.

So I think, you will be delighted to read the following:

1. Nature of the Ultimate Reality, The Physical World and The Individual Self according to the Upanishad,: URL:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0aGV1bHRpbWF0ZXJlYWxpdHlzaXRlfGd4OjY3MmM5YmNjODFiZDY3YzE

2. On the Emergence of the Physical World from The Ultimate Reality, URL:

fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2001

3. On The Emergence of 'Life' from "matter", URL:

philpapers.org/rec/TANOTE

4. On the Nature of Consciousness, Space and The Cosmic Consciousness, URL:

scigod.com/index.php/sgj/article/viewFile/290/335

The following stanza describes the physical world, just in two lines:

Vishvam Bichi-Vilasa Ayam, Cit-Sudha-Abdhe Udeti Yaha;

Vileeyate Cha Tatra-eva, Madhye Katham Tad-Maya. ( From Yoga Vashishtha )

Meaning:

This universe is a play of waves, arisen in nectar-ocean of the Ultimate Reality, (which Chit, meaning Consciousness, Sudha meaning: immortal and Abdhi meaning Ocean of infinite dimensions). It (The Universe) also subsides in that ocean alone. So in its present state too, it is tad maya, immersed in the Ultimate Reality.

Some Western Scientists too, have reached the similar conclusion. For example:

Halliday and Rasnik's text-book Physics's title-page has a photograph of Double-slit-interference of waves. As if, they have expressed whole physics using this photograph.

With Best Wishes,

Hasmukh K. Tank

As noted before: If you understand the double-slit experiment, you do understand the whole of physics. That is the subject of my current study.

Dear Sujatha,

Can you find out what Vedanta has to say about whether a length is infinitely divisible into positions or whether there is a limit to the available positions on a given length?

Regards,

Akinbo

Thank you for reading my essay.

I read with interest your essay; and I think that the curiosity (and studies) in the philosophy, and mysticism, is not waste of time.

If there are millennia of studies, exchange of idea, on the fundamental ideas of the world (and of the life), some results must have been obtained.

Dear Miss. Sujatha Jagannathan,

I read with great interest your essay. Yes, indeed, to find a common foundation of Mathematics and Physics is necessary synthesis of all the accumulated knowledge, including traditional. India center rich culture and ancient knowledge that nourish many peoples of the world. I recall here the poems of Rabindranath Tagore:

I ask my destiny - what power is this That cruelly drives me onward without rest?

My destiny says, "Look round!"

I turn back and see It is I myself that is ever pushing me from behind.

There is no doubt that the picture of the world of physicists and mathematicians should be the same rich senses of life as a picture of the world poets ..

Kind regards,

Vladimir

I am not that educated in some of these scriptural texts. I have a sense that the Atman = Brahma means that the distinction between the individual and the wholeness is not that sharp. There is a sort of observer-participator aspect to quantum physics that has this qualitative meaning.

LC