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Nowadays we are not limited to drawing flat diagrams on paper but have the advantage of being able to represent matters as CGI. Computer generated representation of 3 dimensional space that can be orientated by the viewer can be used to represent changing configurations of Object realty.

Light sensory data can be depicted spreading out from the substantial Source objects. Different colours can be used to represent the iteration in which each set of sensory data had its origin IE the "time" represented by the data.

A suitable interval between colour changes can be selected to give the best, clearest representation although it should for accuracy probably be the limit of human discrimination between individual images that can be slowed down for the purpose of gleaning what is occurring within the representation. The data received for each observer line of sight (the angle of his visual field as he is not receiving data from all 360 degrees around him ) can be shown by what colour data from which sources intersects his location within the visual field.

The colour used to depict the observer will always be the colour of the youngest iteration which is uni-temporal -Now but the data he is receiving, that changes with his position and orientation in space, is of different colours.

The historical view, what the observer has been seeing can be reviewed by looking back over his different coloured existences, as individual uni.-Now times. Or it can be reviewed as a movie showing evolution of the sensory data distributions and from that the evolution of the observers experienced present.It would be interesting to not only replay his experienced present but to also select to show, superimposed, the coexisting Object reality by showing the location of all objects (without showing their sensory data output, that have the same uni-temporal-Now colour as the observer.

Two different observers can be put into the space simulation and their data selection and hence experienced presents compared. The temporal spread within each experienced present will be clear from, the different colours of data received and the non simultaneity of evets between two different observers will be clear from the differences in the colours of their respective received data.

I think that is quite clearly explained but I am happy to answer questions on it. I could try to create that simulation but it will take me a long time as I am new to 3D modeling. Perhaps putting together a professional CGI presentation for public presentation and educational purposes is something FQXi might consider worthy of a grant.

I'd just like to add that with this CGI representation it will also be easy to show that moving towards a source Object coincides with receiving younger potential sensory data giving a more recent (advanced ) present output; whereas moving away from a source object older sensory data is received giving an older(retarded) present output.Both outputs showing different apparent presents co-existing within the youngest, only existing configuration of the Object universe, uni-temporal -Now.

This is an important step taking the explanatory framework from a philosophical basis to a mathematically demonstrable model. Showing the emergence of experienced space-time from the configurations of uni-temporal space. It will also be possible to extract Mathematical descriptions of what is occurring from the CGI model putting it on par with other mathematical frameworks.

13 days later

I' m posting these relevant posts about time here with my essay so they do not become lost in the mass of discussion pages. I think they are further indications of the utility of the explanatory framework and of the problem with accepting mathematical theory at 'face value'. This understanding of time overcomes Grandfather, barn pole, Andromeda, and Man riding light beam paradoxes.

The first reply comes after a discussion of a man riding a light beam.

Georgina Woodward replied on May. 24, 2015 @ 01:01 GMT

Akinbo, All

Akinbo you make a good point regarding the existence of a photon when "time stops". I will address that issue.

The problem here is lack of differentiation of different kinds of time.

There needs to be at least 4 kinds acknowledged and differentiated in physics, though there are more kinds of time if we include different representations of time such as time that only exists mathematically, internal biologically time, as kept by circadian rhythms adjusted by light exposure times: important for biological organisms, and "Father time" that only exists symbolically and mentally.

The kinds of time important for physics are:

1. time in foundational Object reality, that is passage of time synonymous with the sequential change in configuration of the Object universe. OR.configuration time. Any highly regular sequential change with unchanging accuracy of repetition can be use to represent this such as clock time but only very close to the position of a stationary observer, to avoid significant data transmission and processing delay and affects of motion upon the timekeeping of the clock. This can be likened to "Proper time".

2. time information carried by potential sensory EM data primarily (but also other forms of sensory data ) in Object reality, OR. data time.

3. The time as experienced by an organism or displayed by a processing device. Which is Image reality time. It may be helpful to split that time into outputs that retain the data receipt order and those that do not necessarily.

That's a Basic IR. time and a subjective IR. time.

Now as regards the "stopped" photon. That it is stopped is the relative perception of the observer travelling with it. Yes from that perspective the photon ceases to have a frequency or wavelength because the observer is travelling with the wave keeping pace with it. But the photons in the beam are not themselves changed. There is no Basic IR. or subjective IR.Passage of time that can be formed from the photons in that reference frame.So in that respect there is no time. However the photon beam is still carrying OR. data time that could give Basic or subjective IR. time output to observer's crossed by it's path not travelling with it. Also there is still the foundational OR. configuration time: Object universal passage of time in which these scenarios are happening, that is independent of relative perceptions and data transmission.

That time is both stopped and not stopped is only paradoxical if no differentiation between kinds of time is made.

Georgina Woodward replied on May. 24, 2015 @ 06:34 GMT

I just need to add to my previous post that: OR.configuration time is not affected by gravitation or motion , unlike Einstein's proper time. OR.data time and subsequent Basic IR. time is affected due to the curving of the EM data paths within a gravitational field and the Doppler effect. If substantial atomic clocks themselves are running slow when in motion as shown by a permanent change in time shown compared to a relatively stationary clock it is necessary to separately categorize clock time, for moving clocks.

    Georgina Woodward replied on May. 24, 2015 @ 23:30 GMT

    Steve, All,

    Steve wrote" Sensation of time delays and other kinds of changes in objects are from where space and motion emerge." I agree with this with the proviso that this is emergent Image reality space and motion and not the external, foundational Object reality.

    Steve also wrote " The two dimensions of absolute and relative times ......" The object universe doesn't have a time dimension being only the youngest iteration of a sequence of configurations that can be imagined but do not have substantial existence. This structure is important for overcoming Grandfather like paradoxes. The time line along which the sequence of configurations can be imagined is imaginary though it can still be useful to illustrate during which iteration an event occurred. Potential sensory data spread within the Object reality environment provides the semblance of a time dimension as it encodes events that have occurred 'over time' within it. But it is just sensory data spread within Object reality space. The output IR. basic or subjective is a space time output because it contains manifestations formed from data taking different lengths of time (iterations of the Object universe ) to arrive together or very close together, the further away the object the further back in time the origin of the data forming the image, and in that sense it has a time dimension.

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    Replying to Steve's puzzlement regarding my avoidance of the term dimension, choosing to give a description instead.

    Georgina Woodward replied on May. 25, 2015 @ 04:41 GMT

    Steve, All,

    simple words are fine when they accurately describe what is being discussed. If the word doesn't fit an alternative description is required.

    If we consider block time; that 4D geometric object has a dimension which is the time dimension as well as its space dimensions. The Object universe however is not spread over time but is only the youngest configuration of objects and relations within it. So it does not have time as a dimension, and is unlike the block universe in that respect. However there is passage of time as the configuration is always changing - the Object universe's contents are in continual motion. But only the most recent arrangement has substantial existence. This is like Presentism but subtly different as it is about what actually exists rather than what is seen to exist -Now, the Object reality rather than the Image reality. A series of former configurations of the Object universe could be imagined along a time line but the sequence and the line do not actually exist unlike the block universe model. The time line is imaginary but the change in configuration of the universe is not. The time line can be useful for considering the historical sequence but there is no substantial past or future. This is important as it prevents Grandfather like paradoxes. Yet the distribution of potential sensory data within the Object universe allows relativity, non simultaneity of events for different observers and resolution of other paradoxes. The OR.(Object reality)data time (events encoded within the potential sensory data gives the different Basic and subjective IR.(Image reality )times.

    Steve wrote "However, you did seem to say that OR configuration time is not affected by velocity or gravity...which means to me that it is absolute...but now you say it does not really exist." Yes it is absolute not relative and uni-temporal meaning it is the same time everywhere. That one time is synonymous with the existing substantial configuration. It is the change in configuration that gives passage of time. That passage of time does not have an existence independent of the changing configuration of the universe and is not a dimension of the 3D configuration. So without paradox: OR. configuration time may be regarded as foundational absolute time and might also be considered not to exist as it is just a temporal description of the overall spatial changes in a substantial configuration.

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    15 days later

    Re the cat in the box observable. I think it is OK as written as it is identified as an observable (that which will be observed and not the entire cat object). Though it could be made clearer. The scenarios for observable formation the two cats alive and dead are not the same. The dead cat observable can be said to form when the cat is dead and no longer moving. That part of the cat that will be seen when the box opens is determined at that time. However for the live cat the observable is only formed upon opening the box as it is the part of the live cat facing the observer at that time that is the observable. While still shut inside the box the cat can move and so the observable is not determined.So it would not be incorrect to say for the live cat that, as the observable is undetermined, it is in an absolute state as an alternative to saying it has not yet been formed. But the dead cat observable is a determined limited fixed state as soon as the cat ceases to move. (So long as the delay in opening the box is not too long.)So is probably best identified as such.

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