Essay Abstract

In this essay I consider reality as understood in verificationism or in pragmatism such that it is "the end of enquiry". In this framework reality can be given a one to one correspondence with the ontology of a hypothetical best possible theory of physics capable of answering all possible questions as long as "best" includes the condition of being the simplest. If this theory can be written in the language of mathematics, as will be motivated by its need to describe information, then reality admits a mathematical representation.

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I hold a PhD in theoretical physics from the University of Helsinki. After my thesis work I did a postdoc in Marseille and am now back in Helsinki. Lately I have been looking into studies on the nature of time in various fields and their connections.

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Hi Tapio,

Nice to find another Finn from the contest. Did I understand correctly based on your essay that the mysterious connection between math and physics is due to the fact that information is physical?

In my essay, Mathematics, Physics and Nature there is presented another angle to the topic, also very much "physical". It would be interesting to hear your opinion about it and of course rating would be nice.

    Hello Tapio,

    I have just read your interesting contribution. Your views are Machian from what I see. From your opinion that "We have considered reality in the sense of being composed of only verifiable things"... May I ask:

    - Can 'verifiable things' perish or are they eternally existing?

    - If verifiable things can perish, how can this information be represented mathematically in the way you suggested?

    Regards,

    Akinbo

      Hi Kimmo,

      Thanks for reading! I'll be sure to read yours and comment as soon as I'm back to work next week.

      My essay amounts to saying that (the verifiable) reality consists of (verifiable) physical things, and if these can be fully described in terms of information then reality admits a mathematical description. I further make the claim that information needs to correspond to something physical and from this there follow limits on the possible extent and form of 'reality' as understood in this way. Of course you can consider instead an absolute reality, but then you have the disadvantage that a full description of it would be physically impossible.

      All the best,

      Tapio

      Hi Akinbo,

      And thanks for reading!

      I think whether anything can perish (or be created) depends on your philosophy of time and to what degree you consider past and future things to exist - it's definitely an interesting question.

      In the framework of information considered here, I'm inclined to say that the set of verifiable things for an observer can indeed change from one time slice to another, for example if things are pushed beyond the horizon of the observable universe. The array of bits representing information is abstract and there should be no problem in taking it to be time dependent.

      Good luck in the contest!

      Tapio

      Dear Tapio,

      Your essay is well constructed, well written and coherent.

      I agree that "Every physical system is an equivalent observer" (i) that is a minimal condition to reach a scientific description of physics. Also "Information needs to be encoded in something physical" (j). Here I am surprised that you do not mention quantum information theory and the lessons taken from it, and the "strange" phenomena, at least with respect to classical viewpoint, no-cloning, entanglement, teleportation, non-locality and so on. You do not mention how the information is erased (Landauer's principle).

      Mathematical reality: I would have expected more under this heading. Myself I still don't know the difference between mathematical and physical reality. Does you approach has something to say? Here (i) works but not (j), or in a very different sense, that would correspond to a form of "cognitive" quantum reality.

      All the best,

      Michel

        Bonjour Michel,

        Thank you for reading my essay! I noticed you also have an entry in the contest, I'll be sure to read it once I get back to work next week.

        I think your critique is spot on in the sense that this is the direction I would've expanded the essay had time and space been more allowing - I'm sure that there would be plenty that quantum information theory could illuminate here. As it is, I decided to write to a wider audience and therefore avoided technical discussion as much as possible. I wanted instead to concentrate on the fact that there are several ways to define "reality", a fact often neglected by us physicists who often take the platonist absolute reality concept as a prerequisite for doing physics. (By the way, also (i) is not obvious to everyone, since many people take the Copenhagen interpretation of QM seriously!)

        In a sense, my approach is to say that if you

        a) Consider "reality" to be made of only verifiable things, and

        b) It is (in principle) possible to write down a theory that describes everything verifiable (and nothing else!) in terms of information, then

        -> This theory is a (one to one) mathematical representation of reality thus defined.

        After this, I use (j) is to consider the limits of this description and its general form.

        About the technical questions: Although I'm not an expert, I think Landauer's principle only holds in closed systems, which "reality" does not need to be if it consists of only all observable things, especially if it can be different for different observers. Things can be pushed outside the horizon of the observable universe for instance.

        For non-locality I wanted to write something, but it ran over the 25k character limit, I can recommend the Ref #10 which discusses the EPR paradox in the setting of RQM. In short, the interpretation is that when you measure one of the particles in the EPR-pair, the measurement only affects things that are inside your (future) light-cone, i.e. if the other particle enters your (future) light-cone you know which way it's pointing.

        Cordialement,

        Tapio

        a month later

        Dear Tapio,

        I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

        All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

        Joe Fisher

        Dear Tapio,

        I tried to understand your view but it does not seem all clear to me.

        You wrote that you try to defend yourself against "objections such as "Idealism!" ". Do you sincerely reject idealism by your own conviction or is it only a result of social pressure, like in the tale of Emperor's New Clothes ? My own position, which I expressed in my essay, can be roughly described as idealist and I'm not ashamed of it.

        What do you mean by "It is possible to write down a theory that is able to answer all answerable questions" ? I'm not sure what you mean by "all answerable questions". For example, do you include the following questions:

        - Given a quantum random generator, I may ask: "What will be the next output ?". Indeed, supporters of hidden variable theories think that quantum theory fails to be a ToE because it does not provide a determination of measurement results. Their own candidate ToE still do not provide effective answers, but they still feel happy with the answer "It depends on the values of hidden variables".

        - The question "How many planets with life are there in our Galaxy ?" may be seen answerable in principle by sending probes, even if it would take a very long time to get the result, and this number may vary in between.

        Another issue is that you seem to reject the concept of absolute reality in favor of a relative reality, that is how the world appears relatively to given observers. When naively trying to interpreting this claim, we would be tempted to assume the very presence of observers as absolute facts, to form the foundation of this interpretation. But do you think it can still make sense if the presence of observers is itself relative ? For example, imagine from a "absolute" viewpoint (many-worlds) a cat comes to be in a superposition of "dead" and "alive" states, then after this we would only consider him a proper observer in the case he is alive. So, how can you build a coherent view describing the states of systems as relative to other systems (observers) whose status of presence or absence is itself relative to other systems ?

        You wrote that your assumption "This theory can be written in the language of mathematics" was motivated by the claim "we should describe the world in terms of information (...) encoded in something physical". In my essay I argued that even assuming descriptions to be expressed as information (that can be encoded in physical objects), does not mean that the best theories to explain them are mathematical.

        It seems that to me that your discussion of the status (acceptance or rejection) or a super-observer, does not make any deep difference with respect to the many-worlds interpretation, since Everett himself initially called his interpretation the name of "relative-state formulation". On my site I wrote about the consequences of the many-worlds interpretation, how I see them. What do you think about it ?

        Finally, in case you are interested, I wrote a general review of essays, with a list of those I found best.

          Dear Sylvain,

          Thank you for taking the time to read my essay and commenting on it so thoroughly. Also, it's remarkable that you still have the energy to comment on and rate so many essays after noticing the obvious "absurdity of community rating". I contacted the organizers to comment on this frustrating fact, but they never replied and I have been slightly discouraged from this contest since. That being said, it's still great people read and comment on the essays, the feedback definitely helps the thought process.

          In answer to your questions:

          1) Idealism: I don't really make any explicit comment either for or against. Personally I find it simpler to think that the mind or cognition are not needed in the description of "reality" on the fundamental level, but my essay certainly leaves room for this if you want to add it to the description. In a way, as usual, it just depends on how you want to define "reality". The note (on idealism) is there just because many assume that an observer dependent description of reality necessarily implies a form idealism, when it does not.

          2) which nicely gets me to the next question "So, how can you build a coherent view describing the states of systems as relative to other systems (observers) whose status of presence or absence is itself relative to other systems ?"

          In your example the cat being an observer or not depends whether or not it is alive. I see no reason for this in the framework I was using, as I said an electron can be as much an observer as a person. There is no need or relevance that cognition or awareness has in this way of speaking, I wrote "Every physical system is an equivalent observer" and I meant it. The only relevant characteristics of an observer are that it is something physical and it had interacted (or will interact) with another observer. So indeed, the dead cat is a proper observer, even though it is not cognitive (as far as we know ;) ). Of course, the dead cat 'experiences' the world hugely differently than an alive cat, but since I cut away everything related to interpretation or phenomenology (philosophically understood) there is nothing that would prefer the alive cat over the dead one.

          The coherence of the descriptions of different observers is guaranteed by quantum mechanics in the sense that whenever data is compared, they match exactly. This is the only relevant or sensible coherence here, because what is real is the description of an observer relative to others, not the sum of these descriptions (see Rovelli's RQM paper for details).

          3) What do you mean by "It is possible to write down a theory that is able to answer all answerable questions" ?

          I mean a theory that describes all available information in the best possible, ideal, manner. For example in the case of the number of planets with life in the galaxy is definitely answerable, in principle, even without sending probes as far as there exists any interaction (however indirect or imperceptible in practice) between all of the planets in the galaxy. Of course this may change in time (btw requires you to adopt a philosophy of time) but let's say on earth there are reasonably well defined moments of interaction with the rest of the galaxy and you speak about the number in these moments. Now, what is not answerable would be the number of planets with life in a galaxy outside the observable universe. Hence, the ToE does not need to describe these even though many people prefer to think these galaxies exist equally to our own. For me the limits of the ToE in terms of what it needs to describe must run where (in principle) observable things are, i.e. hidden variables are out because they are hidden.

          Importantly, a question that is not answerable is "what is the wave function of the universe?" since this information is not available to anyone inside the universe. Thus if we consider the simplest description to be made of answerable questions or obtainable information, then the wave function of the universe will be excluded. Of course, you might take the simplest to mean something else and take the wave function of the universe to be a useful concept, but you will still be physically unable to actually write it down.

          4) "In my essay I argued that even assuming descriptions to be expressed as information (that can be encoded in physical objects), does not mean that the best theories to explain them are mathematical."

          In some sense I am not saying this either. What I'm saying is that if the world is fully describable in terms of information given by a string of bits, then such a description is mathematical because the description of a string of bits is mathematical. Effectively, this might not be "the best" description, obviously so if "the best" is to include any form of interpretation of this information. I understood this is the direction you took in your essay, but correct me if I'm wrong.

          I had a look at your website on the many-worlds, and what you call 'relative solipsism' is somewhere close to what I'm speaking about. Again though, as I do not take the mind or cognition to be important, it is not solipsism proper. Overall I should give your text a more thorough read to give it justice.

          I hope I managed to lift the fog a bit!

          Best wishes,

          Tapio

          Dear Tapio,

          I have read your extremely important essay with great interest. I can not agree with some of your conclusions, but I want to say that we have an opportunity with you in-depth dialogue on the ontological basis of Mathematics and Physics. Tthe basic science is in a deep existential crisis, "crisis of understanding" ("Advances in Physical Sciences" K.Kopeykin "Souls" of atoms and "atoms" of soul: Wolfgang Ernst Pauli, Carl Gustav Jung and "three great problems of physics"), "crisis of interpretation and representation" (T.Romanovskaya "Modern physics and contemporary art - parallels of style").

          Lee Smolin says the crisis is very clear and clearly in "The Trouble with Physics", "Time Reborne," Morris Kline in "Mathematics: The Loss of Certainty".

          Carlo Rovelli says in the article "SCIENCE IS NOT ABOUT CERTAINTY: A PHILOSOPHY OF PHYSICS" : "This is a standard idea of how science works, which implies that science is about empirical content, the true interesting relevant content of science is its empirical content. Since theories change, the empirical content is the solid part of what science is. Now, there's something disturbing, for me as a theoretical scientist, in all this. I feel that something is missing. Something of the story is missing. I've been asking to myself what is this thing missing? I'm not sure I have the answer, but I want to present some ideas on something else which science is. This is particularly relevant today in science, and particularly in physics, because if I'm allowed to be polemical, in my field, in fundamental theoretical physics, it is 30 years that we fail. There hasn't been a major success in theoretical physics in the last few decades, after the standard model, somehow. Of course there are ideas. These ideas might turn out to be right. Loop quantum gravity might turn out to be right, or not. String theory might turn out to be right, or not. But we don't know, and for the moment, nature has not said yes in any sense. I suspect that this might be in part because of the wrong ideas we have about science, and because methodologically we are doing something wrong, at least in theoretical physics, and perhaps also in other sciences. "

          Mathematics and Physics require a deep ontological justification (basification). In fundamental Physics is necessary to introduce an ontological standard justification along with the empirical standard. John Wheeler left to physics and mathematics a good philosophical precept: "Philosophy is too important to be left to the philosophers".

          I think that now is not to be sought "theory of everything", but ways and very different approaches to constructing a unified ontological basis of fundamental knowledge, especially of Mathematics and Physics on the basis of all knowledge that mankind has accumulated, including traditional knowledge. In this case, the construction of ontological "Occam's razor" should be extremely sharp. I agree that the "principle of simplicity" should be fundamental. My high score for your important ideas and the direction of the search, which is close to me in spirit deep Cartesian doubt.

          I invite you to see my analysis of the philosophical foundations of Mathematics and Physics, the method of ontological constructing of the primordial generating structure, "La Structure mère" as the ontological framework, carcass and foundation of knowledge, the core of which - the ontological (structural, cosmic) memory and information - polyvalent phenomenon of the ontological (structural) memory of Universum as a whole. I believe that the scientific picture of the world should be the same rich senses of the "LifeWorld" (E.Husserl), as a picture of the world poets and philosophers.

          Kind regards,

          Vladimir

            Dear Vladimir,

            Thank you for your interest, kind words and most of all for reading my essay! I can see already from the quotations you have chosen that our views and interests have a lot in common. The quote from Wheeler is one of my favourites and (as you no doubt noticed) I agree that Occam's razor should be sharpened (or at least thought about) when it comes to ontology.

            I will proceed to read your essay and get back to you with any thoughts that arise.

            All the best,

            Tapio