A real observable vacuum tube needs to have a real visible complete surface. All real solid objects have a real visible solid surface. All real liquid has a real visible surface, and all vapors have a real visible surface. All real surfaces must travel at the same constant speed, otherwise, it would be imposible for any surface to be visible. In order to be visible, surface must be illuminated by light. Light cannot have a surface, and because light does not have a surface, light has no effect on the constant speed of surface. These esearchers claims that invisible light is capable of twisting is utter codswallop.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Sabine Hossenfelder is going to find a consistent theory that combines two inconsistent ones:

"In particular, Hossenfelder is searching for a good theory of quantum gravity - a framework that would bring together Einstein's theory of gravity, general relativity, which describes how cosmic bodies move, and quantum theory, which governs the behaviour of particles on the smallest scales. "Some people work on problems that I don't think are problems at all," she says. "But the question of how to find a consistent theory that combines gravity with quantum field theory is one that everyone agrees is a problem--and one that has to have a solution." (...) "We know the theories we have right now are inconsistent--when you combine them the answer is nonsense," she says. "It is clearly not how nature works, there has to be a better answer."

That is, Sabine Hossenfelder is going to find a theory where the Newtonian absolute time and the Einsteinian relative time coexist consistently. Bravo, Sabine Hossenfelder:

"One one hand, time in quantum mechanics is a Newtonian time, i.e., an absolute time."

"In quantum mechanics, time is absolute."

Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?"

"In Einstein's general theory of relativity, time depends locally on gravity; in standard quantum theory, time is global - all clocks "tick" uniformly."

Pentcho Valev

    Pentcho,

    Thank you so much for linking the August 2015 [link:science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/08/05/science.aac6498.full] Science [/link] article. This coincides closely with the date of my stroke, and I missed a lot of significant news. A very important experiment. Brilliant methodology.

    Hi Tom and Pentcho,

    What are the highlights from the article, "A self-interfering clock as a "which path" witness"?

    Tom, you never betrayed you had any health challenges. Your posts have been as poignant as ever. Tempted to use the adjective "stubborn" or "incorrigible" but probably not politically correct :) Wish you all the best and hope your health is fully restored soon. I am sure you have access to the best care and latest technologies. Stroke is almost a death sentence on this side.

    Pentcho, thanks for the link to the Perimeter Institute roundtable discussion...

    Sabine has her job well cut out. Let's hope she does not disappoint. Relative time: To be or not to be, that is the question.

    Regards,

    Akinbo

    Thanks for the reference to Hossenfelder's review article. Very short distance scales mean very short time delays and have the same infinity problems as do very long distance and time scales at event horizons.

    Excerpts: "We review the question of whether the fundamental laws of nature limit our ability to probe arbitrarily short distances...Finally, we touch upon the question of ways to circumvent the manifestation of a minimal length scale in short-distance physics...Exploring the consequences of a minimal length scale is one of the best motivated avenues to make contact with the phenomenology of quantum gravity, and to gain insights about the fundamental structure of space and time."

    Mainstream science must break out of the straitjacket of spacetime and replace space with the pure time and matter dimensions of a primitive reality. Aether is the way out of the blind alley of space...

    hello dear thinkers,

    Tom ,me also I wish you all the best for your health.Take care.We have had several difficult discussions due to my stupid parano in the past.But I have always liked to read your posts and developments.I am asking me also how is going Lawrence.Hope he is well.Take care dear Jedi of the Sphere.Regards

    Hi Akinbo,

    I've learned that strokes are funny things. While my verbal skills have declined (I stutter), my cognition and focus have benefitted. Maybe the speech impediment is a blessing -- it relieves me of the burden of having to engage in small talk. I am sad that the same level of health care is not available worldwide (or even in the U.S.) -- I strongly believe that free health care (and free lifelong education as well) are absolute entitlements.

    Yeah, stubborn and incorrigible fit.

    Anyway, I get access to Science articles through my AAAS membership. I don't know if you can access it; I would shoot you a copy if I could.

    The crux of the experiment is the creation of an artificial superposition of states of time so that one state lags due to gravitational influence. The first two paragraphs of the (exceptionally well-written) article give the gist:

    "Two-slit interferometry of quanta, such as photons and electrons, figured prominently in the Bohr-Einstein debates on the consistency of quantum theory (1, 2). A fundamental principle emerging from those debates--intimately related to the uncertainty principle--is that 'which path' information about the quanta passing through slits blocks their interference. At the climax of the debates, Einstein claimed that a clock, emitting a photon at a precise time while being weighed on a spring scale to measure the change in its mass-energy, could evade the uncertainty principle. Yet Bohr showed that the clock's gravitational redshift induces enough uncertainty in the emission time to satisfy the uncertainty principle. Inspired by the subtle role time may play, we have now sent a clock through a spatial interferometer. Our proof-of-principle experiment introduces clock interferometry as a new tool for studying the interplay of general relativity (3) and quantum mechanics (4).

    "Time in standard quantum mechanics is a global parameter, which cannot differ between paths. Hence in standard interferometry [e.g., (5)], a difference in height between two paths merely affects their relative phase, shifting their interference pattern without degrading its visibility. General relativity, by contrast, predicts that a clock must 'tick' slower along the lower path; thus if the paths of a clock through an interferometer have different heights, a time differential between the paths will yield 'which path' information and degrade the visibility of the interference pattern (6). Consequently while standard interferometry may probe general relativity (7-9), clock interferometry probes the interplay of general relativity and quantum mechanics. For example, loss of visibility due to a proper time lag would be evidence that gravitational effects contribute to decoherence and the emergence of a classical world (10)."

    Hello Steve,

    Thanks. I expect Lawrence is still lurking. He pops in occasionally. My best wishes for your own health, too. :-)

    Tom (et al),

    Concerning; "For example, loss of visibility due to a proper time lag..." IF an experimental protocol could be so devised as to tell the difference. After all its already ambiguous as to what is meant by 'a photon', and the most recent researches I've read of ( at Maryland, if I recall correctly) have confidence of counting down to a level of about four photons. It seems ambitious, but worth trying. But are we dealing with a particle form or a waveform, and would it matter? And is light subject to entropy, or is it light because it is non-entropic?

    But let's speculate some success, and a loss of visibility is attributable to gravitational effect. That would firstly corroborate Minkowski from the QM side, which taking the paradigm of absolute time would cast blocktime as a picture where 'everything happens at the same time'. So too, 'many spaces' would also be 'many times'; which I don't see as very different from Bohr holding that one thing can occupy more than one space at the same time. Just stated differently. Extending that to gravitational lensing, a proper time lag would also suggest that Olber's paradox is not so paradoxical. The light is 'there' in our space, just out of time sync. Perhaps the ticket to accounting for all that dark energy? It would open a can of worms, me thinks. Is cosmological inflation the reality or an illusion cast by a vast gravitational time warp? Was Hoyle half right? I'd like to think more real estate is still being made. Heretcally, jrc

    I have spent considerable time trying to understand nature. Some of intricacies of nature as they became known to me, created the fascination. One of the earliest one was - conservation of Energy, the next was special theory of relativity, the third was exploding universe. The complexity of nature grew more as I progressed though my education as carrier as engineer. But now, I consider myself to be Pico-Physicist. TO say more, In Pico-Physics, the wrinkles are result of presence of matter in space. Some corollary of Pico physics state, that if we compare a star which is hiding behind lot of matter in space and another with line of clear space between start and observer, the one with matter clusters will appear to recede faster.

    We have lot of data now, may be some day, I my inquisitiveness will be satisfied.

      Pico-Physics agree with your analysis. But it arrives at Conclusion "space to be 3-D" from a different logic. This logic is based on Unary law of Pico Physics "Space Contains Energy". Multi-dimensional space can be seen as a mathematical formulation to understand problems, but not a reality of nature.

      I would like to draw your attention to a chapter in Pico-Physics - Observation & Observer, picophysics.org/concepts/observation-observer.

      I believe with your approach to understanding reality, we may have much in common.

      I had problem understanding the concept of Zero & infinity. It took me a long time, to understand the numbers by theself are just symbols, when associated with a unit they represent reality. They come to exist when associated with a unit. From this understanding evolved Infinte Maths, which I use to establish - Three dimensions of space and integrate whole lot of isolated divergent branches of physical sciences into UNary Law - "Space Conatins Energy".

      You may like to visit /picophysics.org/concepts/pico-mathematics/ or just download vmguptaphy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/infinite-maths7.pdfAttachment #1: infinite-maths7.pdf

      It depends on what we mean by time. Time is one of the most difficult concept to put into logic and understand it on that basis. It took me many years to get to understand time. This understanding led to stating a unary law "Space Contains Energy" as the sole fact of nature. This law integrates time in exclusion of all other properties from basic postulates of unary law, and defining Energy as an identity that is Konserved and Space that is not. Exclusion of all other properties to definition od these two identities, and delegation of all other fundamental laws of physics as corollaries of this law helps understand time as an observed reality.

      The thought process thus evolved into what is now termed as Pico-Physics.

      Quantum Gravity - If we mean some thing like quantized radiations, Pico-Physics Negates this. To a Pico-Physicists gravitation is result of interaction of Space & Energy as per Unary Law "Space Contains Energy". The essential loop contemporary science is in on gravitation is due to basic understanding about potential energy (postulated to preserve law of conservation of energy) being misplaced. Refraction and Gravitation are two aspects of this interaction Space with Energy.

        Dear Tom,

        i too wish you all the best for your health condition and that you continue to contribute to the fqxi community. We are all driven by curiosity about the fundamentals of existence and it was always a pleasure for me to exchange point of views with you.

        Best wishes

        Stefan

        That experiment is quite ingenious.

        "Hence in standard interferometry [e.g., (5)], a difference in height between two paths merely affects their relative phase, shifting their interference pattern without degrading its visibility. General relativity, by contrast, predicts that a clock must 'tick' slower along the lower path; thus if the paths of a clock through an interferometer have different heights, a time differential between the paths will yield 'which path' information and degrade the visibility of the interference pattern"

        The result could demolish or strengthen the 'probability demons" in QM

        Regards,

        Akinbo

        Hello all,

        Tom,thanks also :)hope that Lawrence will post.

        Regards

        You do not have to try to understand visible nature. Just look at yourself. You have a real complete visible skin surface. Every real person place and thing has a real complete visible surface. Obviously, only visible surface is real. In order to be visible, surface must be illuminated by light. Obviously, light cannot have a surface. Reality is simplicity itself.

        Joe Fisher, Realist

        Reality is visible infinite surface illuminated by infinite non-surface light. Reality has nothing to do with invisible finite black holes, invisible finite atoms, invisible finite quantum particles, or invisible finite strings of energy. Please stop wasting your time with codswallop theories about the invisible.

        Joe Fisher, Realist