"Finite invisible quanta has nothing to do with observable infinite surface."

Joe, this is equivalent to saying that the quanta of an infinite surface are countably infinite (observable). Thus qualifying these quanta as a finite sum of an infinite series.

Now you may dismiss this as "abstract codswallop", but there are objective facts that make invisible things visible to the mind's-eye, if one dares to open it.

(Steve, thanks. :-) )

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Dear Georgina,

Observable unified infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light is not my idea. It is pragmatic reality that anyone can easily apprehend by using their senses. Hawking's book, A brief History of Time is filled only with his ideas about invisible atoms moving in invisible space; and invisible black holes in invisible space, and an invisible expanding universe. Scientists are supposed to be ethical seekers of the truth. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there was supposed to be another Essay Contest at this site concerning The Physics of the Observer that was mentioned in the Grant application rules. Why don't you query Dr. Foster, the Projects manager as to why the Essay Contest has not been started.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Dear Joe,

I have already given you lots to think about in previous posts, but you have not logically addressed the arguments raised. In my last post I offered some advise that you are also ignoring. This will be my last response for a while as I think you need to take some time to sort out your thoughts.

My visual system is able to generate an internally appreciated appearance that has been formed with electromagnetic radiation information input; and the internally processing that links memory to the appearance allowing 'object' recognition. What is seen is not the external material reality. It is illuminated and so seeable because of the way the EM information is processed. Without EM radiation input to the visual system, (or without correct processing due to a fault in the system ), it is dark and the previously mentioned 'appearance'is not formed. If you are going to relate your infinite surface to vision then I will have to disagree with the statement that it is infinite ( as the output appearance only relates to the information received.) I will also disagree that it is always illuminated. Complete darkness can be difficult to achieve and the visual system is able to detect the response to a single photon. However there are places such as caves (with wall surfaces) where there is no light. I will not believe that the output of my visual system is the totality of what exist but it gives a useful representation of what is outside of me for navigating in the world. Surfaces alone can not fully account for the form and function of the structures of the material universe.If you wish to use vision as evidence for your statements then you have to allow for something ( such as particles and processes) that permits vision to occur.

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Georgina,

Tellingly, the physicists at CERN have not, cannot, and will not ever be able to produce visible proof of the invisible theoretical Higgs Boson's existence. The reason for this is that only unified observable infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light can ever exist. Air surface may have been removed from the interior of the cyclotron, infinite surface remained.

Your surface covered "visual system" often referred to as your eyes can only see a plethora of seamlessly enmeshed flat looking varied colored SURFACE. You have not given me anything to think about. That is the beauty of my assertion that the real Universe consists only of unified visible infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light, it does not require any thought. The repeated mentioning of the invisible phenomena you have skillfully memorized apparently from reading the works of theoretical physicists are very entertaining and I do thank you for bringing them to my attention.

With fond regards,

Joe Fisher, Realist

I have now informed the Heads of the American Institute of Physics; the Canadian Institute of Physics; the English Institute of Physics; the Australian Institute of Physics, and I intend to inform the Heads of the Chinese Institute of Physics and the Russian Institute of Physics that Einstein's Theory of (invisible) Relativity: the Special and General is utterly wrong. The rude, ignorant executives will not even give me a form letter response. I have also notified Professor Max Tegmark by telephone and by numerous emails, he has not replied. Apparently, the fact that I have an ORCID means nothing to him.

    Joe,

    IMHO it would be good for you to take a break and get some quality rest.Rather than writing more unproductive letters that you may regret later on. Your efforts are not going to produce the results you desire while you maintain the same frame of mind. Said with the best intentions for your well being. Georgina

    Georgina,

    In 2013, the National Science Foundation provided researchers at the Physics Department of the University of California and the Kavi Institute with a grant of $1.32 million to examine the accuracy of Einstein's Theory of (invisible) Relativity: General and Special. The researchers reported that Einstein was correct. I have a valid ORCID. Einstein was utterly wrong. I should not be "resting" for being right. You ought to be supporting me in at least asking Professor Max Tegmark why he will not answer me. You have had no problem answering me, why is he so ignorant?

    Joe Fisher, Realist

    The Lisa Pathfinder at 145 days mission has returned its first paper after 55 days of science and it shows very low noise...except an unexplained bump at low frequency.

    It is very nice to see some real data from the L1 saddlepoint for the two 2 kg Pt/Au cubes. FQXI should really do an article on this paper and more data is coming. The spacecraft is 475 kg and follows one 2 kg cube and then measures the noise for the other cube as it dephases from the followed cube.

    They measure 5e-15 m/s2/sqrt(hz) until about 0.6 mHz, which is something happening about every 27 minutes or so. The noise jumps to 1e-14 and then they do not yet report anything longer than about 3 hours or so.

    Unless they can get to at least six months or so, they will not see aethertime decoherence, which also shows up at about 1e-14 or so, but with the frequency of a year. There is a dc offset that they throw out but already in the paper, they mention the possibility of a very small variation in G...which of course should not be. No experiment has ever been able to measure G with such precision over time.

      Hello Mr Agnew,

      I post here your answer ,thanks for these developments, it is interesting about the recycling of informations.There is a beauty to aethertime gravity where it is the periods of quantum orbits that scale all force.

      Steve Dufourny replied on Jun. 3, 2016 @ 16:31 GMT as "I forgot this thread, thanks for your answer Mr Agnew.It is a beautiful appraoch towards this gravity,we search it after all."

      Instead of force being body-centered and 1/r^2 with a singularity at r=0, aethertime force is action-centered with a quantum period as 1/tau^2. Since a quantum orbit always has a finite period, the singularities of space and time do not actually exist. Spacetime singularities are the result of the limitations of the notions of continuous space and time. Aethertime changes the meaning of a black hole since it is the black hole finite quantum period that is what defines an event horizon.

      There is a decoherence time for all quantum phase including that of a black hole spin down. Unlike atomic time, decoherence time does not stop at an event horizon. The decoherence of the boson matter of a black hole spin down simply represents the destiny of all matter in the universe.

      In effect, the spin down of black holes encodes all of the information of the fermion matter and there is no information lost in a black hole. Black holes are a sink for the entropy and all of the information of accreted fermion matter, Therefore it is the spin downs of black holes that point the arrow of time and it is the spin downs of black holes that provide the order that characterizes the universe.

      These BH are fascinating.We know so few about them.We know how our electromagnetism and informations act near them.The works of Hawking about the event horizons are relevant.We see their compostments at these walls.I beleive strongly that these BH have rules, properties....and that their mechanics are different.They probably,for the supermassive BH central to galaxies,recycle the bosonic informations and fermionics.This matter that said seems not baryonic like dark matter.The relevance is to link with the serie of supermega BH towards thecentral BH of our universe.If the primordial informations come from this center.So the others are like adaptators, transfromators.They are essential for a galaxy these BH.I beleive really that dark matter is correlated.They produce this matter in logic but we cannot see it still due to our technological limits.If we don't analyse differently these BH, we shall not find the good method it seems to me humbly.The aether time of the photonic sphere and the aether time of gravitation seems different.Mr Agnew I am asking me really if the real age of our universe is correct.It seems that no considering this gravitation, BH and dark matter.The destiny of all informations is to be encoded, recycled, produced,imrpoved....But the puzzle is so complex.Informations are never lost in this line of reasoning.But how to find the good road to analyse this other universal newtonian mechanic.You can do it with the team at MIT ,Harvard....The correct mathematical method exists showing us this mechanic not relativistic.But frankly I search this method and I don't find it.I am limited in my Tools.It seems really that this gravitation is the main chiel orchestra connected with the agravitational primordial aether coming from this central BH of the universe.So bosonic informations and fermions ,stndard model,special and general relativity,heat and thermo are just a system Inside in y opinion.The stars and photons ....all these créations were necessary for this infinite entropy to create matters in evolution by encodings of particles produced by cosmological sphères.Heat ,thermo and photons are a tool for the créations and dynamics of evolutive minerals, animals and vegetals,but it is not all, these systems seems encircled really by BH and dark matter.Even our mass must be rethought like our universal age it seems to me.If my equation is correct E=mc²+ml² it could be interesting to develop it .Best Regards

      I AM WORKING ON A META-THEORY THAT TIES IN ALL MY WEED ACTIVATED SUPER-GENIUS LEVEL INSIGHTS FROM SINCE 2008-2016:

      Penny Kandial

      03/07/2008

      To: nickhosein@msn.com, oli_3_3@hotmail.com

      Hey Guys,

      How are you guys doing? What the fuck man...I came back to the ward with sour keys for ya'll and no one was there. Ya'll made a breakaway cause you knew I was coming back or what? lol

      Anyways, I got released last night so I wanted to touch base and say what's up to you guys.

      Holla back yo!

      P

      Nick Hosein 03/07/2008 ("High Brain")

      NOT BECAUSE YOU WERE COMING BACK.

      We must give up free will. It is a creation out of an illusion. A delusion.

      Every human physical specimen is an animate object. The paths of the physical body directly affects the paths of others.

      Free will is also disproven by mind altering drugs as what you put inside your body directly interferes with the thoughts and concepts and beliefs and decisions of the brain/body.

      You are never in control.

      Your control over yourself is an illusion. As you read "my"(note the quotes around the word "my" because I don't exist outside of observation) words. As you read you assume that I exist or still exist.

      If I assume I exist, it would be contradicting the purely deterministic physical universe because all (interacting or not) physical objects/including human bodies and minds are assumed to exist outside of observation. If my mind's "I" is an illusion, then "I" do not exist. You as well do not exist.

      THE EXISTENCE OF THE PHYSICAL BODY IS ASSUMED BY THE ILLUSION OF BEING SOMEONE.

      META-THEORY INGREDIENTS:

      1. WE KNOW THAT REALITY IS DETERMINISTIC ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE. AND THAT REALITY CAN BE REDUCED TO AXIOMS DUE TO REALITY BEING A PERCEPTION OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE IMPERCEPTIBLE IF IT WERE NON-AXIOMATIC/ NON-AXIOMATIZABLE. FOR EXAMPLE, PERCEPTION SAYS THAT AN APPLE FALLS FROM A TREE AT 9.8 M/S/S. NON-AXIOMATIZABLE UN-REALITIES ARE CONTRADICTORY. THUS FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION.

      2. EVERYTHING IN REALITY INCLUDING REALITY ITSELF IS INTERACTING WITH ANOTHER THING OR ITSELF. AND SINCE REALITY IS LOGIC, LOGIC IS INDEED REAL. WHERE UNIVERSAL ALGEBRA PROVIDES THE SEMANTICS OF A FORMAL LANGUAGE, LOGIC PROVIDES THE SYNTAX. THIS MEANS THAT DETERMINISM AND CAUSALITY ARE AXIOMATICALLY AND SYNTACTICALLY REAL(ITY). WHERE SYNTACTIC EMBEDDING OR CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP DETERMINES THE BEHAVIOR AND COMPOSITION OF EVERYTHING PHYSICAL. IT IS THEREFORE AXIOMATIC TO SAY THAT REALITY IS REAL.

      3. INFINITY, WHICH MEANS "WHICH MEANS NOTHING ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING", IS EQUIVALENT TO TIMELESS, SPACELESS EXISTENCE. THIS MEANS THAT ALL IS ONE AND ONE IS ALL SINCE REALITY IS ONE AND ALL. IT THEN FOLLOWS THAT THE SYNTACTIC EMBEDDING OF REALITY'S ALL IN ONE EQUIVALENCE GOES ON INFINITELY AND FINITELY. REALITY IS INFINITE WHILE WE ARE FINITE. THEREFORE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND THE VAST, OPEN UNIVERSE USING ANYTHING BUT OPEN SETS AND OPEN INTERVALS WHICH ARE ISOMORPHIC TO INFINITE STRUCTURES IN MATHEMATICS. A FINITE STRUCTURE ON THE OTHER HAND CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A CLOSED SET. THEREFORE WE MAKE BELIEVE THAT THE UNIVERSE IS A FINITE SPACETIME STRUCTURE USING OUR LIMITED IMAGINATIONS IN WHICH WE ARE SPECIAL AND LOVED BY IT. BUT THE JOURNEY THROUGH SPACETIME CANNOT BE ANYTHING BUT ENDLESS BECAUSE A BOUNDARY CANNOT BE MADE UP OF ANYTHING BUT MATTER AND ENERGY AND IS THEREFORE ANYTHING BUT VIRTUAL AND IMAGINARY.

      THEREFORE THE ACTUAL FREEDOM WEBSITE IS CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE HUMAN PSYCHE OR EXIST-ER IS BUT A ROMANTIC DREAM AND THAT THERE IS AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORLD THAT EXISTS EXTERNALLY AND THAT WHAT WE SEE WITH OUR SENSES COMES FROM SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM WITHIN AND IS THEREFORE NOT OBJECTIVE, CREATING AND ILLUSORY "REALITY". HENCE EVIL, THOUGH IT MAY BE WRONG, IS SIMPLY MALICE. AND THE RECEIVING END OF THAT, VICTIMIZATION AND ITS RESULTING SORROW, IS ALL PART OF THIS DREAM. HENCE, WE CAN NOW CONCLUDE THAT WHAT WE DEFINE AS SPECIAL, IS NOT REALLY SPECIAL, BUT WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL, IS THE PARADISE OF THE ACTUAL. THEREFORE WE CAN IGNORE THE UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENCE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THE HUMAN PSYCHE UNTIL IT IS RENDERED INSIGNIFICANT AND IRRELEVANT BY FOLLOWING THE PSYCHIC MAZE UNTIL WE OURSELVES BECOME NOTHING BUT PHYSICALLY ANIMATE BODIES CARRYING OUT THE BUSINESS OF BEING ALIVE AND FREE TO GREET LIFE WITH A SMILE AND THUS A GRANDEUR, DEFEATING MASS DELUSION WITHIN OURSELVES. COMMON SENSE REIGNS SUPREME FINALLY.

      (please delete previous post, this is an edit...)

      3. INFINITY, WHICH MEANS "NOTHING ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING", IS EQUIVALENT TO TIMELESS, SPACELESS EXISTENCE. THIS MEANS THAT ALL IS ONE AND ONE IS ALL SINCE REALITY IS ONE AND ALL. IT THEN FOLLOWS THAT THE SYNTACTIC EMBEDDING OF REALITY'S ALL IN ONE EQUIVALENCE GOES ON INFINITELY AND FINITELY. REALITY IS INFINITE WHILE WE ARE FINITE. THEREFORE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND THE VAST, OPEN UNIVERSE USING ANYTHING BUT OPEN SETS AND OPEN INTERVALS WHICH ARE ISOMORPHIC TO INFINITE STRUCTURES IN MATHEMATICS. A FINITE STRUCTURE ON THE OTHER HAND CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A CLOSED SET. THEREFORE WE MAKE BELIEVE THAT THE UNIVERSE IS A FINITE SPACETIME STRUCTURE USING OUR LIMITED IMAGINATIONS IN WHICH WE ARE SPECIAL AND LOVED BY IT. BUT THE JOURNEY THROUGH SPACETIME CANNOT BE ANYTHING BUT ENDLESS BECAUSE A BOUNDARY CANNOT BE MADE UP OF ANYTHING BUT MATTER AND ENERGY AND IS THEREFORE ANYTHING BUT REAL.

      THEREFORE THE ACTUAL FREEDOM WEBSITE IS CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE HUMAN PSYCHE OR EXIST-ER IS BUT A ROMANTIC DREAM AND THAT THERE IS AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORLD THAT EXISTS EXTERNALLY AND THAT WHAT WE SEE WITH OUR SENSES COMES FROM SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM WITHIN AND IS THEREFORE NOT OBJECTIVE, CREATING AN ILLUSORY "REALITY". HENCE EVIL, THOUGH IT MAY BE WRONG, IS SIMPLY MALICE. AND THE RECEIVING END OF THAT, VICTIMIZATION, AND ITS RESULTING SORROW, IS ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THIS DREAM. HENCE, WE CAN NOW CONCLUDE THAT WHAT WE DEFINE AS SPECIAL, IS NOT REALLY SPECIAL, BUT WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL, IS THE PARADISE OF THE ACTUAL. THEREFORE WE CAN IGNORE THE UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENCE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THE HUMAN PSYCHE UNTIL IT IS RENDERED INSIGNIFICANT AND IRRELEVANT BY FOLLOWING THE PSYCHIC MAZE UNTIL WE OURSELVES BECOME NOTHING BUT PHYSICALLY ANIMATE BODIES CARRYING OUT THE BUSINESS OF BEING ALIVE AND FREE TO GREET LIFE WITH A SMILE AND THUS A GRANDEUR, DEFEATING MASS DELUSION WITHIN OURSELVES. COMMON SENSE REIGNS SUPREME FINALLY.

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      REALITY CHANGES WITH TIME (topic from sciforums)

      John Archibald Wheeler sought a more fundamental reformulation of General Relativity than the Arnowitt, Deser, and Misner formalism that posits a dynamic geometry whose curvature changes with time. This has come to be known as Wheeler's Geometrodynamics.

      This assumes that spacetime is not immaterial, but subject to warps, curves and twists. This makes perfect sense to me. Because if space in reality were actually an immaterial vacuum then massive objects would be unable to be subject to the laws of gravitation, since nothing would be held in place nor influence another thing other from afar (action-at-a-distance). Which would make the laws of nature incredibly nonsensical. Therefore, spacetime is not nothingness, but subject to causation and interaction. Gravitation is not a long-range mysterious, unseen force.

      The elementary building blocks of matter are the same as they were at the beginning of the Big Bang as they will be at the end. Where if the universe were to have a boundary or an edge to it, it would be anything but matter and energy, duh, and hence not something that was artificially constructed. I read somewhere that the boundary does not consist of anything material, and that if one were to reach the edge, it would lead back to the other side as though it went on infinitely. A strange loop.

      Language and grammars change with time as well. Look up production rules. Where symbol (syntactic variable) substitution can be recursively performed to generate new grammars, u-->v.

      As we evolve or devolve, depending on conditions, both within and without, phenomenal objects appearing to perception are received by noumenal consciousness which then creates the interpretation of those objects, but not before they are perceived. Hence what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you believe. All of these things change in time.

      If all things are subject to erosion and entropy (except for Bohm's wholeness and the implicate order and/or nothingness) then nothing is timeless and eternal, hence the universe would have a finite existence and death would not be illusory. This brings in to question Quantum Mechanics, retrocausation and the Many Interacting Worlds Theory. Does anyone have an expert opinion on this?

      Also, if God is real then He too is subject to change in time. But this leads to a paradox, since if God were real He could not interfere with space, time and object. So God must assume both itself and not-itself. Both existence and non-existence in order to intervene. A true paradox of inconceivable proportions.

        Once you have a universal quantum force like aethertime, it is a lot easier to deal with the event horizon of a black hole. In fact, with quantum gravity there are incipient black holes at the center of any matter body larger than about six Jupiters. So all stars have a boson matter center that is a black hole.

        Black holes are not really the voracious singularities of spacetime but rather just the inevitable boson matter destiny for all fermion matter in the shrinking aethertime universe. With a quantum gravity like aethertime, the mechanics of relativity in spacetime are just a convenient representation for the simpler underlying reality of matter and action. For black hole event horizons and at the Planck limit, you need quantum gravity to predict action.

        So black holes do not really need a supernova to form...black holes just need lots of mass. That is why the mass of a galaxy stabilizes a supermassive black hole. The spin of a black hole does have a very important role in quantum gravity since black hole spin stores all of the information of accretion.

        Dark matter and dark energy are simply manifestations of exchange of quantum gravity. Since stars emit large amounts of mass as light and neutrinos, that star matter decay couples the motions of inner and outer stars of a galaxy. Inner stars slow down while outer stars speed up and a galaxy therefore rotates at a constant velocity without the need to invoke a cold dark matter halo to keep outer stars bound.

        It would appear that just about any kind of quantum gravity would show this kind of quantum exchange, but there would need to be decoherence for quantum gravity. Dark energy has a similar explanation but at a much greater scale of galaxy clusters and superclusters. The only event horizon is that that defines the limits of the universe and of what we can know.

        Thus in billions more years, people will still look up in the sky and see the same CMB light that represents our common creation. Of course, the universe will be a very different place in a few billion years from what it is today. The Andromeda galaxy will likely have merged and that will be quite a spectacle that humanity will miss.

        Steve,

        The real observable Universe consists ONLY of unified visible infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. There have never been any invisible finite atoms swirling around in invisible finite space in the real Universe. There have never been invisible finite black holes. Infinite visible surface is not powered by invisible finite quantum force.

        Joe Fisher, Realist

        Nicholas,

        Albert Einstein's equation e=mc² was incorrect. Einstein was essentially stating that a finite amount of invisible energy was exactly equal to a finite amount of invisible mass multiplied by the constant speed of a finite amount of invisible light passing through a finite invisible vacuum tube multiplied by its finite invisible light self.

        The real observable Universe consists only of unified visible infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. There have never been any invisible finite atoms swirling around in invisible finite space in the real Universe.

        Please note that there are no invisible finite "building blocks of nature" There is only visible infinite surface. Infinite surface was not created by an invisible God.

        Joe Fisher, Realist

        The real observable universe consists of matter and action and both are finite and bounded from above and below and quantum. There are no infinite visible surfaces and there is no infinite non-surface light.

        In fact, there are neither infinities nor singularities in the finite universe except where they belong at the boundary beyond the CMB. However, people conjure up infinities, infinitesimals, and singularities all of the time. Sometimes singularities are useful for predicting the action of matter objects and sometimes singularities are blind alleys where people spend their entire careers.

        Sometimes singularities and infinities are just loose notions that people have that seem to make sense to them but to no one else in the universe...such is life...