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TIME ORIGIN, DEFINITION AND EMPIRICAL MEANING FOR PHYSICISTS Héctor Daniel Gianni Time does not claim existence on its own, but only as a "system of measurement" The "system" requires, the "counter" or the man who records the measurement, as the representative of reality. Time Definition: a "constant and uniform movement measurement system". The "system" is based on a "Day" as a natural fundamental unit. The time empirical meaning: is movement, a quality or property of everything with physical existence. The Day unit fractions: hour, minute, second and also Day unit multiple as week, month, year, are properly call time because these are units of the "measurement system". Anthropologists supported by archeologists tell us, that man was measuring the so called "time" since ages ago, there are calendars dated on 25.000 years old. (When I would mention, "the so called time" I refer to the mysterious "time" with no definition and empiric meaning, as usually people use the word "time" today) Time is a man "measurement system" of "constant and uniform" movement. The following statements are solid scientific proves on which are based Time Origin, Definition and Empiric meaning. Earth rotation movement is "constant and uniform" . Day is a "natural fundamental unit" of the time system of measurement. The Day is a natural "Earth rotation movement fraction"; this movement period is limited on Earth surface by two subsequent sunrises. "Artificial" time units, as hours, minutes and seconds are arbitrary man made units, as fractions of a Day "natural fundamental unit" of movement". Week, month and year are Day multiple units. Earth Translation movement is "constant and uniform" Clock main quality; is the capability to register units of "constant and uniform movement". On the most common analogical clock, the hour, the minute and the second hands, measure their own "Constant and Uniform movement fractions", counted by us on dial numbers.

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University of Buenos Aires, degree MD. MN. Nº 32.803, 1967. ECFMG Candidate number 097729 approved 78 % Jan/22/1968 Surgical Intern The Queen's Medical Center, Honolulu Hawaii 1968-1969 Psychiatry Residency Metropolitan State Hospital, Waltham Mass.1969-1970-1971-1972 Advanced Study in Psychotherapy at Harvard Medical School, Mass.1971-1972. I taught Clinical psychiatry at Tufts Medical School, Boston Mass. 1971-1972 Staff psychiatrist Florida State Hospital, 1972-1975. Research: "The Institute of Medical research, Dr Alfredo Lanari" University of Buenos Aires, field: nervous transmissions. 1979-1983. Private practice: Psychoterapist

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I notice animals have a sense of time.

When referring to the left side of the field equation (the transformed side) the word used "time" with a symbol "t"

when referring to the right side (measurement - observed) the word "clock" is used.

If a pendulum clock is used, the duration is ASSUMED to be uniform.

Place one of 2 identical clocks aboard a airplane and go around the Earth. The 2 clocks will disagree about the duration(number of ticks) elapsed.

We understand that as the airplane accelerates and lands, the bob on the clock may stop due to the acceleration. We understand the working of the pendulum clock.

We don't know the workings of radioactive decay. So rather than assuming time dilation, it could be the mechanical acceleration change the rate.

Hodge

Dear Dr Héctor Daniel Gianni,

Good essay on time. You touched many aspects of time. But there is one definition by Einstein.... i.e.. "Time is forth dimension"

Have a look at my essay also...

Best wishes for your essay.

=snp. gupta

Dear Daniel,

I have not yet looked at all of the papers in this contest, but your paper is by far the best one that I have seen so far. You are right that there is no existence of a time dimension, etc. and time is just a relationship between a motion and the distance that it travels in comparison to some other motion that travels a specific distance. It is only needed because all motions are not equal in the amount or amplitude of motion that they contain, such that when one motion travels a certain distance another motion that is started simultaneously with it will travel a different distance. A more meaningful and much easier method to compare one motion to another one is to just pick any particular motion's motion amplitude as a unit of measurement of motion amplitude and compare all motions to that unit. This is what is actually being done in that all time units are based on comparisons of a motion to a standard motion, such as the rotational motion of the earth on its axis or the vibration of a certain type of atom under certain specific conditions, etc., but the addition of the concept of time duration passage confuses things, so that man has begun to think of time as a separate existing thing of itself, when in fact it is only a measurement of a relationship between two or more motions.

I have come to realize that all things in the universe that we can observe are composed or made of one or more motions. All matter particles, energy photons, and even the sub-energy particles that make up fields are made up of combinations of basic motions. As a matter particle's linear motion increases toward the speed of light its internal motions change causing size variation, etc. of the matter particle. This internal motion structure of matter particles and energy photons, etc. causes the variable outcomes that are observed and the probabilities of each one occurring during interactions that quantum mechanics attempts to model. Man just does not yet have the ability to observe those motions and, therefore, he cannot yet predict which one of the possible outcomes will be generated by any particular interaction. It is possible to observe them, but man will never get that ability as long as he denies the possibility of acquiring that ability.

If you are interested in any of these things you can look at my current and past papers on this site's contests. Don't feel bad if your concepts are not generally received and applauded by most others because currently accepted scientific beliefs are based on the erroneous concepts of a time dimension and the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, etc. that causes those who have held these positions for a long time to tend to automatically deny the validity of any concept that would say those beliefs are in error and need to be corrected to allow man to develop further. In addition to that, some may see the validity of the argument, but their income and the prestige they have in their position in the scientific structure might be threatened because they depend on the continuation of current beliefs. Don't be discouraged by such things. It only takes one person to see the value of your arguments, who is in a position to convince others or to do an experiment that proves them to be right and things could change for the better. In addition to that I have found that my understandings of how things work in the world have increased in the process of making these papers. I have come to the conclusion that even if no one else gets anything from them I still, gain knowledge from doing them and that is enough for me. I hope that it is the same for you also, or better yet, I hope yours will be recognized for their value.

Sincerely,

Paul

Dear Dr Héctor Daniel Gianni,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate."

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Dear Paul Butler:

You choose my essay as the best you read till now, this show me that at least mine is readable, clear and understandable for you. I thank you for your opinion.

My essay is radical because left aside the prehistoric and unfunded "belief" of "time" physic existence, which has no scientific prove, in favor of search around of the only thing man knew about "time", it's measuring. Definition and empiric meaning are scientifically proved since centuries ago. It's origin in my essay is just the most probable way of how the "time" born. The only people, among all sciences who need this is theoretical physicists. I don't need this knowledge for nothing at all, I can't construct anything with it because I'm not a physicist, they need it, but I hope for the best of science than most physicists are not in the position you think that possibly they are. I hope to find the right person to convince others of the essay value. You say "currently accepted scientific beliefs are based on the erroneous concepts of a time dimension and the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics, etc. that causes those who have held these positions for a long time to tend to automatically deny the validity of any concept that would say those beliefs are in error and need to be corrected to allow man to develop further. In addition to that, some may see the validity of the argument, but their income and the prestige they have in their position in the scientific structure might be threatened because they depend on the continuation of current beliefs. Don't be discouraged by such things. It only takes one person to see the value of your arguments, who is in a position to convince others or to do an experiment that proves them to be right and things could change for the better".

I hope your best whishes come true

Héctor

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    Dear Gupta:

    First several times Einstein refer to the forth dimension as "the imaginary dimension". Second: As I said the experimental meaning of "the so called time" is "movement" as such it would be represented as any "event" are, with the 3 spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension, it would be represented by an special kind of movement, "constant and uniform" movement, or just clock movement. He also said "The key step forward in developing relativity, is time reconceptualization".

    Thank you for reading my essay

    Héctor

    Dear Gupta:

    First several times Einstein refer to the forth dimension as "the imaginary dimension". Second: As I said the experimental meaning of "the so called time" is "movement" as such it would be represented as any "event" are, with the 3 spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension, it would be represented by an special kind of movement, "constant and uniform" movement, or just clock movement. He also said "The key step forward in developing relativity, is time reconceptualization".

    Thank you for reading my essay

    Héctor

    Dear John C Hodge:

    Sure animals have a sense of time, that's why lions anticipate their hunt position in it's running for their life.

    You said "Place one of 2 identical clocks aboard a airplane and go around the Earth. The 2 clocks will disagree about the duration(number of ticks) elapsed"

    The atomic clock in the plain will slow it's functioning respect the one on land, because airplane speed inertia, and will function faster than the witness clock, (with no ticks) as higher it is flying because of less gravity. The difference between inertia and gravity forces causes, would tell us the difference between the two clocks functioning.

    You said "We don't know the workings of radioactive decay. So rather than assuming time dilation, it could be the mechanical acceleration change the rate"

    I don't know the muon decay process either, also I didn't say the muon decay is slowing because "time dilation". But it's decay process slow because muon cosmic ray speed. Speed inertia slows any kind of movement, and the decay process must have movement, because without movement there are not change or transformation.

    Thank you for reading my essay

    Héctor

    Dear Hector,

    It is not that I find that your paper is the most readable, clear, and understandable that caused me to commend your paper because in some ways it is not. It was that you have a better understanding of time than most current scientists have. We live in a motion continuum. Matter, energy photon, and the sub-energy particles that make up field structures are all composed or made up of simple motions or combinations of them. If all of the motions in the world were to suddenly stop, the world would cease to exist. We always live in the current conditions of all of those motions that are continuously changing their positions in space. The past is the conditions that these motions were in, but they have now moved from those positions to where they are now. We cannot go back to the past because those past motion conditions no longer exist, since all of the motions have moved on and changed their positions from those positions to their present conditions. A point in the future is the motion conditions that will exist when all of the motions have moved from where they are now to the new locations in space that they will then be in. We cannot go into some distant point in the future because the motion conditions that will exist then do not yet exist until the motions move from their current positions in space to those new positions. Then those new motion conditions will be the present and if we are still alive we will then be there, but it won't then be in the future, but will be our present. Man's current belief in a space time continuum leads to all kinds of nonsensical concepts. In order for there to be a past and future that one could go to, a complete copy of the universe would have to be made every time any motion in the universe changed its position, so that you could go back or forward to that point in time and be able to experience it completely as it was. Each time a copy was generated due to some motion in the universe changing its position all of the motions in the universe would have to be duplicated, which would require a tremendous amount of new motion that would have to come from somewhere. This would essentially mean continually recreating the complete universe every time any motion changed its position in space. I have never seen anyone logically explain how all of this extra motion would be generated. In addition to this, if you could go into the future, it would mean that all of the copies of the universe from the beginning to the end of the universe would all have to exist simultaneously so that you could leave any one of them and go to any other one of them. This would mean that there would be a copy of you in each one of these copies of the universe that occurred during your life time. How then is it that you seem to be traveling forward from one copy to the next as time goes by only being conscious of the one copy that you consider the present? Why would you not be conscious of all of your copies since they all have to exist simultaneously? What would lock your consciousness into only the specific flow from one copy to the next one that you experience? As you can see the space time continuum concept does not make sense when closely analyzed. Many current scientists believe in this concept of time, however, and that is why your understanding is noteworthy because you have not gotten caught up in that belief.

    Theoretical Physicists don't need the time dimension concept either. They just think that they do. It actually causes them many unnecessary problems and interferes with scientific advancement. It may be that many physicists may not be that far off base, but the system that they exist in often requires them to act as if they are in order to get the money that they need to live and do any research that they want to do. In a way this contest is an example. The theme of the contest presupposes that math laws and the processes that generate them in the world are mindless and that they somehow caused conscious living beings to come into existence. It is obvious that those who submit papers are being asked to give a natural explanation of these things, which would usually include some form of evolution advancement from the simple structure of the world to advanced living creatures. Anyone who submits a paper and wants to win or needs to win to get needed money will almost certainly submit a paper along those lines because they understand that their papers will be judged on how closely they meet that expected criteria. The positive difference between FQXI and many other places where papers can be submitted is that papers such as yours and mine that question existing established beliefs would not even be accepted into the system at many of those places. FQXI's policy allows those who don't care if they win or not, but just want to get new information out, to at least get it somewhat out into the public domain where it is possible that it can be seen by someone who can recognize its value.

    The problem for those who try to follow the guidelines for the paper is that the world that we live in is really a very complex intelligently designed multilevel hierarchically built structure. The built in structural laws by which it operates, which men model with mathematics, show the intelligence that is behind their creation. In addition to that, it is obvious that the world is a temporary structure that is designed to have an end. It is also made so that it is clear that the first living creature could not have been made by the natural processes of the world. The world would tend to break down such complex machinery as the protein machines that are in the cells of every living creature instead of actually building them, as an example. This means that any attempt to explain life creation by natural processes has to in some way try to portray the world structure to be something different than it actually is or that it operates in some way different than it actually does. Often the concept of quantum uncertainty is used to justify an argument. The problem there is that quantum uncertainty doesn't actually exist either. All of the uncertainty is due to man's current lack of knowledge of the internal motion structure of matter particles and energy photons and the complete lack of knowledge of the existence of sub-energy particles that make up fields and how they function internally and interact with each other. Because of this most of the papers that I have read in this contest are built on or at least contain false concepts. That is one reason that your paper stands out from the crowd. Keep up the good work.

    Sincerely,

    Paul

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    • Post #11

    Great Essay, a I give you a ten.

    You surely showed how the thinking about time is intrinsically entwined to our attempts to set objective parameters to have a real sense of the world. Given our intrinsic biological limitations, we inevitably end up thinking about time as some sort of continuous motion. Now, a question came up to me. Is it intrinsic to humans the tendency of imagine time as some sort of continuous motion or is it intrinsic to any type of intelligence to imagine that? So, while time is a created concept, perhaps the concept of a a thing continuous motion is not. What do you think?

    Dear Mr. Gianni,

    You have expressed the time in many different ways. The most important way you forgot. It is through a well-known formula h*ni=mc^2. The formula shows that: to any mass we can attribute frequency or time t=h/mc^2=lambdacompton/c. The importance of this time you can see in my essay FQXi for 2015.

    Regards

    Branko

    Dear Héctor,

    Thank you for the invitation to your essey,

    I liked your essay, especially the phrase

    «I can easily explain that "time dilation" is a physically inexistent phenomenon, because is just inertia or gravity "clocks slowing" and also can show in detail that twin paradox».

    I congratulate you with interesting thoughts and wish you every success in the contest.

    Kind regards,

    Vladimir

      Hi Hector,

      It was interesting for me to read your ideas about time. I would like to suggest this essay that was in another FQXi competition, 'Rethinking a key assumption about time' by J.C. N. Smith, 2012. I agree with him that foundational time is the configuration of the substantial /material universe. He presents a good argument for that.

      Beyond that there is also emergent time. We do not sense the material universe itself but process received sensory information into the perceived present (an Image reality). That sensory information takes different lengths of time to arrive (having traveled different distances) so is temporally non-homogenous. Thus the present that is experienced is a model that is in appearance temporally different from the source reality which is uni-temporal. Because of the very fast speed of light this is not particularly relevant to everyday life but becomes significant at very large distances, and at high speeds. Relativity is dealing with this emergent reality from information processing. Though it seems that the emergent space-time has been mistakenly regarded as the external reality. I have spent some time on the FQXi blog discussion pages pointing out the category error of not differentiating between material source objects and nonequivalent fabricated images. The different location and relative motion of observers affects which EM sensory information is received and amalgamated into the perceived reality.

      You make some interesting well set out points but I do not see that your essay has anything to do with the topic of the essay competition.

      Dear Héctor,

      Thanks for the invite to comment. I agree with your straightforward approach to time and your idea that time is dependent on movement. Although time seems nothing more than what you measure with a clock, there is something intriguing about it which has physicists searching to attach a greater meaning.

      You said "the decay process must have movement" in an earlier post and in my opinion you brought up a very interesting point about time. I think that particles have an extended structure and are not just points. In the case of the muon - a particle which decays - there are a set number of internal movements before it decays. As the particle increases its velocity, these movements must slow or the velocity of light will be exceeded when its motion through space and internal motions are combined. This is why it takes a longer time to decay.

      Regards,

      Peter

      Dear Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov:

      Thank you for reading my essay, I am glad that you liked that phrase in especial. ¡Certainly, you must know why!

      My best whishes

      Héctor

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      Dear Georgina Woodward:

      You are right my essay has nothing to do with the topic of this essay competition.1)I don't care for the competition at all.2)I'm just care to give to physicists Time Definition and empiric meaning that they needed so bad since mor than 50 years ago, if they don't take it certainly they will wait for another 2 or 3 thousand years more to know it.I don´t need it.

      Thank you for reading my essay

      Héctor

      Dear Georgina Woodward:

      You are right my essay has nothing to do with the topic of this essay competition.1)I don't care for the competition at all.2)I'm just care to give to physicists Time Definition and empiric meaning that they needed so bad since mor than 50 years ago, if they don't take it certainly they will wait for another 2 or 3 thousand years more to know it.I don´t need it.

      Thank you for reading my essay

      Héctor

      Dear Peter Bauch:

      You said "Although time seems nothing more than what you measure with a clock, there is something intriguing about it which has physicists searching to attach a greater meaning" This happen because they base themselves on their believes and not on the scientific proves that I offer in my essay. Science always should prevail over believes. Thank you for reading my essay

      My best whishes

      Héctor

      Dear Héctor,

      I like this phrase:

      "Time" does not act, or form part of any change or transformation;

      "movement" does. "Time" is the system we use to measure the duration of

      those. I don't have the necessary space, but knowing that "time" is

      movement I can easily explain that "time dilation" is a physically inexistent phenomenon, because is just inertia or gravity "clocks slowing" and also can show in detail that twin paradox is not a paradox, but could be a real biological thing.

      The foundation of reality should start from simple mechanical motion. and so, I think that at the foundation of the natural structure (Foundations of Hierarchy), there might not be any energy dissipation, while being perfect.

      My email: ch.bayarsaikhan@yahoo.com

      I would like to keep in touch with you, if I know your email.

      Ch.Bayarsaikhan