Essay Abstract

Aims and intentions as pertaining to conscious agents are defined in a temporal, classical perspective onto the Universe. In this essay we contrast this temporal, classical perspective with a timeless and fundamental quantum reality and argue that these points of view correspond to philosophical notions of "becoming" and "being". These realms can be identified both within physics as well as within psychology. We speculate that the relations between the corresponding realms in both fields are non-trivial and raise some of the most fascinating fundamental questions that could link the understanding of consciousness with fundamental physics.

Author Bio

Heinrich Päs, Professor of Theoretical Physics at Technische Universität Dortmund, Germany. He works on neutrinos and particle physics beyond the Standard Model. Beyond that, he is interested in the nature of space, time and reality. Accomplishments: Scientific American cover feature,Physical Review D Editorial Board, pop-science book "The Perfect Wave". Marc Wittmann, Ph.D., Research Fellow at the Institute for Frontier Areas of Psychology and Mental Health, Freiburg, Germany. Research area: Cognitive Neuroscience with focus on the perception of time. He explores how subjective time is related to cognition, emotion, and body states. Book "Felt Time: The Psychology of how we perceive time" (MIT)

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Dear Heinrich and Marc,

Re 'To understand how things such as aims and intentions can arise from mindless fundamental physics we first have to understand what the fundamental reality is.":

Why are you assuming that fundamental physics is mindless?

"While these results are not unchallenged, we nevertheless thus adopt as a working hypothesis that consciousness should be understood as a phenomenon linked to a classical algorithm operating in the brain and defining the factorization into subject/conscious self, object and environment":

Where did the algorithm come from?

    Dear Authors,

    Very beatiful essay, well documented and argued, in my opinion one of the best among those I have read sofar in the contest. It presents a nice balance between the physical, the psychological, and the philosophical aspects of the issue, with a brilliant use of the Dionysian-Apollonian concepts couple associated with the great Greek philosophers Heraclitus and Parmenides, the first interpreter of temporality and becoming, the second of immutability and being.

    One question: you write of an "algorithm" assumed to be the physical correlate of consciousness. How this algorithm should be intended? In the logical-mathematical sense of a computable sequence of operations, or in the physical sense of a natural process? Both possibilities raise problems. In the first case the consciousness may be implemented or reproduced by a computer. In the second it may be, at least in principle, detected experimentally.

    (Of course I don't have an answer. I think so far we can say of the consciousness much more what it is not, than what it is. It is not a feeling, nor a state of mind, nor a process, nor an activity, but it is something that must be able to accompany feelings, moods, processes, activities, such as seeing, feeling, speaking, suffer and so on. As Kant wrote "The 'I think' must be able to accompany all my representations". But neither Kant nor anyone else has so far explained the nature of consciousness. Only conjectures have been made. A hypothesis that seems plausible to me is that it is a mathematical function, self-referential and incomputabile, that reminds in some ways the Goedel formula. But it is just a pure hypothesis.)

    My best regards,

    Giovanni

      Dear Heinrich and Marc

      I enjoyed your essay. I am not particularly a fan of IIT or the relationship of entropy -> time, but these were peripheral to your main thesis. By the second last page that things started to fall into place for me.

      As I understand it, you are proposing that our everyday perception of reality and sense of self (the two closely intertwined) exist at an essentially classical level. When we detach from classical reality via altered states of consciousness, we come in contact with our non-local quantum reality.

      Do you mean from this that you regard the mind as a nonlocal entity?

      I am also interested in psychology/consciousness and psychological time. Indeed i have referenced your book Marc "Felt Time" in my essay "From nothingness to value ethics". I would be interested in your thoughts on my reasoning.

      Best regards

      Gavin

        Dear Loraine,

        thanks for reading our essay. Regarding your questions:

        "Why are you assuming that fundamental physics is mindless?"

        The short answer is, we just quoted the essay motto here. But more importantly, we argue that things like aims, intentions, and mind need time and a classical reality as prerequisites. As fundamental reality is quantum and as there are good reasons that also time is an emergent property, we conclude that also aims, intentions and mind are emergent rather than fundamental.

        "Where did the algorithm come from?"

        As has been argued by people like John Archibald Wheeler or Seth Lloyd in principle one can understand all natural processes as a running computation. Now if you ask where the specific algorithm giving rise to consciousness comes from I would answer it is a product of biological evolution.

        Best regards, Heinrich

        Dear Giovanni,

        thank you very much for the kind words. Of course also we have no answer to what consciousness is. My personal feeling is that consciousness is more related to information than to matter (although matter may play an important role). Thus I like information-theoretic ansatzes such as IIT. If consciousness (or some aspects of it) would be reproduced by a computer that wouldn't be a problem for me. But probably things are not that simple: as Marc might argue, things like emotions are generated in areas such as the brain stem which (as far as I know) are unconscious according to IIT but essential to our self-image. However, as Marc summarizes evidence, emotions are also felt and are strongly linked to cortical, i.e. self-conscious processes related to the insular cortex. Emotions stem from an interplay between conscious and unconscious processes. Moreover I personally believe that information always needs some material representation to be effective in the physical world. So I personally would believe that consciousness is a computable sequence of operations represented by a physical process. That this physical process could be detected experimentally would also be no problem for me (and already now we can find parallels between activation patterns e.g. in NMR brain scans and conscious brain activity). I actually find this prospect pretty exciting.

        Our main point of course is that it could help both physics and the understanding of consciousness to study experimentally what happens in altered states of consciousness where the self is experienced as dissolving. Does that have consequences for the perspective being important for the emergence of classical reality? Or is it totally independent and the seemingly parallels between physics and psychology are just accidental? We don't know, but we believe it would be exciting and important to study these questions.

        Best regards, Heinrich

        Dear Gavin,

        thank you very much! You are right, IIT and the entropy-time relation are peripheral to our main thesis, namely that time, self and reality are emergent both in psychology and in physics, and that the relations between the psychological and physics notions of these concepts should be studied.

        In fact we propose „that our everyday perception of reality and sense of self (the two closely intertwined) exist at an essentially classical level." Whether in altered states of consciousness we really come into contact with quantum reality is just one possible (and rather strong) hypothesis. But it is a hypothesis I believe is worth studying experimentally. I personally would not believe that the mind is a non-local entity but that it could be possible that while the mind is dissolving in altered states of consciousness in the process of this „phase transition" it could get some glimpse onto quantum reality. As I said this is strong hypothesis but in any case one should study experimentally what self, consciousness and perspectives means for both physics and psychology even if it may turn out that both notions are totally unrelated.

        Best regards, Heinrich

        Dear Heinrich

        Speaking of altered states of consciousness, it is interesting that those reporting near death experiences report a spaceless and timeless reality. It can seem like hours have passed when in fact the duration is only minutes. Whether or not one regards these as anything more than the oxygen starved brain, they are an interesting type of altered state of consciousness as they do seem consistently nonlocal in flavour.

        Best regards, Gavin

        Dear Gavin,

        yes indeed, individual reports after near-death experiences point to the same notions of "timelessness" and "selflessness". However, it is near impossible to systematically study those cases prospectively (while they are having the experience). With psychological techniques such as meditation, trance, etc. or with psychotropic substances one can induce such experiences as I have summarized in: Wittmann M (2015) Modulations of the experience of self and time. Consciousness and Cognition 38, 172-181.

        Best regards,

        Marc

        Dear Heinrich,

        thanks for your kind and detailed answer!

        I agree with almost all of your remark and I find myself very interesting the IIT, on which a couple years ago I read a fascinating book in Italian:

        https://www.amazon.it/Nulla-pi%C3%B9-grande-Giulio-Tononi/dp/8868520338/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1489169881&sr=8-3&keywords=giulio+tononi

        (By the way, I apologize for my insecure English. In the previous post I wrote inexcusably "the consciousness", something I don't usually do).

        The only thing that puzzles me is the idea that consciousness can be a computable process. This would mean, according to the nature of Turing machines, that, if a computer gets to run the algorithm of consciousness, then all computers are in theory able to do so, thus making consciousness a sort of infinitely replicable program. This contrasts with the individuality of consciousness, which makes us consider unrepeatable the self of everyone. But, again, this is just my doubt and I too find exciting the perspectives that more extensive experimental tests on both the IIT and the altered states of consciousness can open on the relationship between quantum and classical dimension of reality, as well as on the nature of time, to which, as can be seen right from your and Marc's paper, consciousness is intimately connected.

        Best regard again,

        Giovanni

        Hi all,

        Congratulations for your papper.

        I am a little intrigued having had a big epileptic crisis of high bad at the age of 21 and I have had a coma.I must say that after ,it was very difficult ,I was obliged to re learn the laguage also.I had a kind of loss of orientation and others.I have been Under diphantoin during 11 years.It was difficult.I have stopped all meds.I prefer.The cogntive sciences are so complex like the psycghology and the synaptics interactions and informations.

        Regards and good luck

        I have just a few absences and some weak problems.I am better now.I have had difficult because I have had more than 4 heures de convulsions.My heart has resisted because I was 21 years old.Not now in fact at 42.Odd the brain and its interactions and encodings.and what about the soul and quantum gravitation and dark matter? the body mind soul problem is solved when we solve this gravitation...

        Regards

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        Dear Heinrich and Mark

        I really enjoyed your beautifully writen and thought out essay, it answers the essay topic and is besed on the latest research.

        I liked your emphasizing the the Dionesian/Appollo dichotomy and extending it to the absolute universe of Newton et al, and on the other hand the relative observer perspective - I attach a recent painting I made fearuring these two opposite figures. It is titled "Marching Forward Never Doubting Clouds Will Break" made as you can see definitely a frog/ant let us say human perspective.

        Alas I do not accept most of the fundamental cenceptual formulations of Quantum Mechanics that you used as a springboard to consciousness. Decoherence, Probability, Many-Universes. I am confident that these concepts and many others will give way to an Appollonian physics with no observers inserted until needed. I have made such a model Beautiful Universe and feel confident once its rudementary outline is fleshed out it will solve many of the problems of the Dionesian physics Einstein introduced when he inserted the observer in Special Relativity.

        I will be happy if you can read my fqxi essay my fqxi essay

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        Dear Professor Heinrich Päs,

        Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

        I merely wish to point out that "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

        Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

        The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

        A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

        Joe Fisher, Realist

        Nice essay Prof Pas and Wittmann,

        Your ideas and thinking are excellent like.....

        1. Ironically, the view that the Universe is a single, all-encompassing unity carries the misleading name "Many-Worlds-Interpretation" in physics.

        2. Thus in principle there are two possible kinds of quantum systems:

        _ Isolated (typically microscopic) systems with no interaction with the environment. While all quantum systems we have experience with are of this type, this is naturally always an approximation.

        _ The entire quantum Universe: global, encompassing, with no external environment and thus not subject to decoherence. It is this latter system which constitutes the only true fundamental quantum state which can be experienced only in the non-local bird perspective

        A Good proposal , I fully agree with you............

        ..................... At this point I want you to ask you to please have a look at my essay, where ...............reproduction of Galaxies in the Universe is described. Dynamic Universe Model is another mathematical model for Universe. Its mathematics show that the movement of masses will be having a purpose or goal, Different Galaxies will be born and die (quench) etc...just have a look at my essay... "Distances, Locations, Ages and Reproduction of Galaxies in our Dynamic Universe" where UGF (Universal Gravitational force) acting on each and every mass, will create a direction and purpose of movement.....

        I think intension is inherited from Universe itself to all Biological systems

        For your information Dynamic Universe model is totally based on experimental results. Here in Dynamic Universe Model Space is Space and time is time in cosmology level or in any level. In the classical general relativity, space and time are convertible in to each other.

        Many papers and books on Dynamic Universe Model were published by the author on unsolved problems of present day Physics, for example 'Absolute Rest frame of reference is not necessary' (1994) , 'Multiple bending of light ray can create many images for one Galaxy: in our dynamic universe', About "SITA" simulations, 'Missing mass in Galaxy is NOT required', "New mathematics tensors without Differential and Integral equations", "Information, Reality and Relics of Cosmic Microwave Background", "Dynamic Universe Model explains the Discrepancies of Very-Long-Baseline Interferometry Observations.", in 2015 'Explaining Formation of Astronomical Jets Using Dynamic Universe Model, 'Explaining Pioneer anomaly', 'Explaining Near luminal velocities in Astronomical jets', 'Observation of super luminal neutrinos', 'Process of quenching in Galaxies due to formation of hole at the center of Galaxy, as its central densemass dries up', "Dynamic Universe Model Predicts the Trajectory of New Horizons Satellite Going to Pluto" etc., are some more papers from the Dynamic Universe model. Four Books also were published. Book1 shows Dynamic Universe Model is singularity free and body to collision free, Book 2, and Book 3 are explanation of equations of Dynamic Universe model. Book 4 deals about prediction and finding of Blue shifted Galaxies in the universe.

        With axioms like... No Isotropy; No Homogeneity; No Space-time continuum; Non-uniform density of matter(Universe is lumpy); No singularities; No collisions between bodies; No Blackholes; No warm holes; No Bigbang; No repulsion between distant Galaxies; Non-empty Universe; No imaginary or negative time axis; No imaginary X, Y, Z axes; No differential and Integral Equations mathematically; No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to General Relativity on any condition; No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models; No many mini Bigbangs; No Missing Mass; No Dark matter; No Dark energy; No Bigbang generated CMB detected; No Multi-verses etc.

        Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true, like Blue shifted Galaxies and no dark matter. Dynamic Universe Model gave many results otherwise difficult to explain

        Have a look at my essay on Dynamic Universe Model and its blog also where all my books and papers are available for free downloading...

        http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/

        Best wishes to your essay.

        For your blessings please................

        =snp. gupta

        Dear Heinrich,

        Thank you for reading my essay and for asking excellent questions. Having read your own excellent essay, despite that we agree on key points, I see it will be difficult to frame the answers to your questions in a comment. Some answers are already presented on my comments page but I doubt you have time to read these.

        First, primordial - either awareness exists from the beginning, or it 'emerges' as some process by which dumb matter becomes self-aware. If it emerges, it is an artifact, not a fundamental aspect of the universe, and any view of the universe 'understanding itself' by evolving an artifact necessary for this 'purpose' is to me not credible. And the idea that it boils down to a 'large molecule' such as the microtubule, even less so. You note that expanded consciousness exhibits "interesting (anti-) parallels to [...] triggering the quantum-to-classical transition", and mention consciousness experienced as 'dissolving'. This (more or less) is the basis of my belief in the classical continuum as reality, and the Quantum Credo as error-full interpretations of inexact projections onto reality [see my page 3]. Further you say if unitary quantum mechanics provides a truthful description of nature, then the emergence of time and classical reality depend on a local perspective on to the universe. I believe that time and space, as Einstein noted, do not exist "absent of field". Elsewhere you say that the quantum-to-classical transition is perspectival!

        You treat consciousness as 'emergent' and as linked to a classical algorithm operating in the brain. This differs from my definition. The combination of 'awareness' and logical structure I call intelligence - it's here that algorithms apply. Awareness is more fundamental. You seem to subscribe to the Quantum Credo which believes classical reality emerges from quantum substrate: the 100 to 500 quantum fields that Prof. Susskind, head of physics at Stanford, proposes. You also say 'time and a definite classical (as opposed to quantum) world are necessary prerequisites for purpose and intention."

        You ask: "where in the chain is the quantum-to-classical transition happening?" As I note, Zurek's long trek has gotten us no closer to the answer. As ET Jaynes remarked,

        "...a false premise built into a model which is never questioned cannot be removed by any amount of new data."

        In short, being very familiar with all modern theories, which have failed completely to give an integrated picture of the world, you examine the various pieces of the picture. Amazing that you can do that in 9 pages. I have it easier in that, while acknowledging the utility of the bookkeeping systems such as QFT, I observe that these are mathematical structures projected onto physical reality. That unitary quantum mechanics supports half a dozen or so interpretations is strongly indicative of this point. After almost a century quantum physicists still do not know whether the wave function is ontological or epistemological. I explain it as both but not in a brief comment. I reject Copenhagen, and have a deBroglie-Bohm-like model with particle and wave (always) properties that account for interference, while the Partition function supports the Born probability distribution. The fact that both concepts apply does not mean that they are the same thing. For a taste of the possibilities you might wish to look at my The Nature of Quantum Gravity.

        In contradistinction to Schrödinger's wave mechanics, QFT treats particles as excited states of the underlying field, with a particle-per-field. This is accomplished always through the mattress spring model (see Zee) and is a simplistic way to make particles appear and disappear. As one poster put it "electrons are made from the electron field. What's the electron field made of?"

        Despite Susskind's 100 to 500 quantum fields only classical fields, gravity and electromagnetism, appear as real, measurable in the lab. Quantum fields are a clever bookkeeping scheme, but artificial in nature, which is why QFT cannot calculate particle masses but must put them in 'by hand'. QFT is supported by the unrealistic Dirac equation (speed = 1.73c), inexact isospin symmetries, vacuum energy off by 120 orders of magnitude (biggest error in physics ever!), 4% discrepancy between the anomalous magnetic moment of electronic hydrogen and muonic hydrogen, 'halo' neutrons, 'massless' neutrinos, and so on. Everyone knows the Standard Model is neither correct nor complete, but lacking a better model, everyone is forced to play the game. To make it work one must introduce virtual particles, ghost particles, whatever it takes, with 20 adjustable parameters of the standard model required to fit the data. Fermi said, "with 5 parameters I can fit an elephant". So I consider particles to be real, but I don't consider the quantum fields to be real, only a bookkeeping scheme.

        Mentioned in comments on my page, but not developed in my essay, the consciousness field couples to momentum density. For example, ions flowing in axons or vesicles flowing across synaptic gaps couple to this field more strongly. Even 'walkers' on microtubules. Living cells are chock-full of moving parts. So if rocks or meatballs couple, it's very weak. And neither has the logic structure to support intelligence (algorithmic). I believe it is necessary to separate 'awareness' from 'thinking'. One is primordial, the other is local, based on the emergence of logical structure. The problem is awareness. I don't see any problem with logical activity. The problem is to couple the two. I do this through momentum density.

        I believe that, rather than supersede QM and GR with a new theory, the better approach is to remove the 'built-in' errors from QM and GR, and hope that the corrected theories reflect reality more closely and unitarily. I think the classical world is capable of explaining experience and experiments, and I think many of today's interpretations of mathematical projections are clever nonsense. As one who is outside the establishment, I need not deal with "microtubules" or "integrated information", as neither of these has a chance of explaining awareness, and, given awareness coupled to logic structure, intelligence is not really that hard to grasp.

        Thank you for reading my essay and replying, and thank you for writing your own excellent essay.

        My best regards,

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

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