Hello Wihelmus,
Happy to see your essay, I liked it,
spherically yours, take care
Hello Wihelmus,
Happy to see your essay, I liked it,
spherically yours, take care
Mr. de Wilde,
I had a first read of your essay and it was a pleasant lecture. Allow me a second read (before rating it) for a more profound understanding. I will appreciate if you could explain in some simple way the word "consciousness". What are you referring at, more precisely? Anyhow, I do appreciate (and subscribe to) the substance, emerging from your "mental images", picturing what you perceive as being real.
By the way, I tried to explain the in-congruence between your remarks and the essay referring at (in my opinion there are't any), for making it clearer for you in case you would like to rate it.
Respectfully,
Dear Wilhelmus de Wilde,
You wrote a good essay, but it would be even better if you were familiar with the New Cartesian Physics isbased on the principle of physical identity of space and matter, the French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Rene Descartes. I call upon everyone here to develop his theory everething on the basis of achievements of modern science. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows this principle. Evaluate and leave your comment there. Then I'll give you a rating as the bearer of Descartes' idea. Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.
Sincerely, Boris Dizhechko
Dear Corciovei Silviu
Thank you for reading and commenting on my essay and also for answering on my points regarding yours.
I will begin with the points you ask on your essay :
1.I think we both agree here. It is quite clear for me what you mean.
2.Yes. But here its important to make the difference between intelligence and awareness/consciousness. As you say we are constructing artificial intelligence. Intelligence is just data/information, the algorithms of software can compare data to resolve the mathematics, and give solutions to questions. Awareness is not achieved, sometimes "it looks like" awareness because of the complexity of the software, but it will stay only a "yes or no" phenomenon.
3.Indeed there are ways of communication that we will perhaps never be aware of, because we have only five senses.
4.In the middle ages the immutable law was that the sun was turning around the earth, and really there were used such complex calculations that it really "seemed" to be true. The later immutable law was that it was the other way around. So the first one is no longer valuable. Humanity is only existing one second...Our "intelligence is also existing only one second and we think that we know already a lot (not me). We are indeed creating artificial intelligence but not artificial Consciousness, the new quantum devices (working with qubits) that can not only "choose" between yes or no, may be the new evolution towards Artificial Consciousness (AC). AC will have then the "I" and the "will" to stay "alive", without the need to "eat" other AC's. The only "eating" will be the sharing of intelligence (information).
On your question on my essay : What is consciousness ? I partly gave already the answer above under 4. But I will try to answer this (ultimate difficult) question very short by asking you : "What is the "I" (yourself, ego) inside you ? That is the part of you that is aware of its emergent entity. It TRIES to UNDERSTAND the signals from emerging reality around YOU. It TRIES to UNDERSTAND the foundational HOW and also WHY. This consciousness is not the result of a complexity called brains, but it is the origin of the complexity. (You will not find the announcer inside the radio).
I hope that this answers your questions. I rated you an 8 today.
Dear Wilhelmus:
Your essay clearly has some originality. I will read more of your work.
Thank you for complementary comment on my essay, "The concept of "fundamental" must keep evolving". In addition, I would be delighted if you can develop a mathematical expression for the concept of a self-looped oscillatory entity in the CTF. Please keep me informed. Feel free to go to my web to down load relevant papers: http://www.natureoflight.org/CP/
I will separately send you Ch.11 of my optics book, "Causal Physics: Photon by Non-Interaction of Waves", Taylor and Francis, 2014. It validates the potential reality of CTF from the viewpoint of experimental optical sciences.
Now a philosophical comment. You say:-
"Emergent phenomena are ILLUSIONS originating from a space and timeless Point : a NOTHING."
I understand what you mean. However, I do not like the word "illusion" while explaining nature; because our brain has evolved with the analytical capability to enjoy many true optical illusions (play of the neural network), while figuring out how to separate illusions from elusiveness. The Moon is always there in its orbit even if all humans shut their eyes at night. The reality of the cosmic universe is not our illusion. However, it has remained elusive (limitation of our knowledge), even though we have been trying hard for centuries to explain all the detailed laws behind its origin and evolutionary behavior.
In ancient Indian philosophy, the word "Maya" has been used to describe this elusiveness of the universe. Unfortunately, I believe it was the first translator of Indian philosophy, Friedrich Max Müller, who used the word "illusion" as a translation for the word "Maya". I wish he had used the word "elusive".
Sincerely,
Chandra.
Dear Wilhelmus,
I highly appreciate your beautifully written essay.
I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.
Vladimir Fedorov
https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080
Thank you very much, Narendra
but I think that your co-writer has already rated me.
Good luck in the contest
Wilhelmus
Thank you, Peter, for your comments.
I will reply on your thread later.
respectfully
Wilhelmus
you think so?
Thanks again dear Narendra
I will react on your own thread
Wilhelmus
Dear Tejinder,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to read my contribution.
I am very glad that you liked it, indeed we have overlaps.
I will still give a reaction on your thread
Wilhelmus
Dear Satyavarapu,
I have left a complete answer on your thread.
Thank you for reading my essay.
Wilhelmus
Dear Jo
keep on thinking free
Wilhelmus
Thanks Ulla
I will answer on your thread
Wilhelmus
This good luck wish was not so honest Jim
you rated me a 2
Thank you Don,
It is always pleasant to meet related thinkers.
I will leave a full answer on your thread
Wilhelmus
Thank you, dear Steve,
greetings to Belgium
Wilhelmus
Dear Boris,
Sorry for my late reaction to your post on my essay.
Descartes had the combination of mathematics, physics and philosophy, which in our present time is not much seen, listening to someone like him is so advisable.
Also, his infinitesimal calculus gave a method to work with something that is difficult to understand in the "real" world.
"Cogito ergo sum" is one of my favourite thoughts, only I have made a difference by accepting that "thinking" is a quality of Consciousness. Only the consciousness as I see it is NOT the result OF COMPLEXITY, but complexity is a result of consciousness, (as you may have read in my essay).
Space and matter are both the same "emerging phenomena", at which I add also TIME.
We are the same age Boris, I was born in July 1945 in Holland and live in France now for 20 years. I appreciated your essay highly and hope that will do the same to
best regards
Wilhelmus de Wilde
Wilhelmus de Wilde, Descartes was determined to create a theory of everything. He said: "give me matter and I will build the whole world." The space had been the matter that moves. We are part of the space, which for Descartes is a matter. No more dualism between matter and space, between mind and body. Consciousness arises when a body appears the ability to create in space the image of the external world and to remember him for discernment and judgment. In the center of this image of the external world is the body that created it and which is actively positioning itself to prolong its existence.
Would be great if this idea of the Great French philosopher, mathematician and physicist suddenly helped to overcome the current crisis in physics. Put 10.
I was born on 15 August 1945 in the southern Urals.
I wish you success! Sincerely, Boris Dizhechko
Dear Wilhelmus
If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please?
A couple of days in and semblance of my essay taking form, however the house bound inactivity was wearing me. I had just the remedy, so took off for a solo sail across the bay. In the lea of cove, I had underestimated the open water wind strengths. My sail area overpowered. Ordinarily I would have reduced sail, but this day I felt differently. My contemplations were on the forces of nature, and I was ventured seaward increasingly amongst them. As the wind and the waves rose, my boat came under strain, but I was exhilarated. All the while I considered, how might I communicate the role of natural forces in understanding of the world around us. For they are surely it's central theme.
Beyond my essay's introduction, I place a microscope on the subjects of universal complexity and natural forces. I do so within context that clock operation is driven by Quantum Mechanical forces (atomic and photonic), while clocks also serve measure of General Relativity's effects (spacetime, time dilation). In this respect clocks can be said to possess a split personality, giving them the distinction that they are simultaneously a study in QM, while GR is a study of clocks. The situation stands whereby we have two fundamental theories of the world, but just one world. And we have a singular device which serves study of both those fundamental theories. Two fundamental theories, but one device? Please join me in questioning this circumstance?
My essay goes on to identify natural forces in their universal roles, how they motivate the building of and maintaining complex universal structures and processes. When we look at how star fusion processes sit within a "narrow range of sensitivity" that stars are neither led to explode nor collapse under gravity. We think how lucky we are that the universe is just so. We can also count our lucky stars that the fusion process that marks the birth of a star, also leads to an eruption of photons from its surface. for if they didn't then nebula gas accumulation wouldn't be halted and the star would again be led to collapse.
Could a natural organisation principle have been responsible for fine tuning universal systems? Faced with how lucky we appear to have been, shouldn't we consider this possibility?
For our luck surely didnt run out there, for these photons stream down on earth, liquifying oceans which drive geochemical processes that we "life" are reliant upon. The Earth is made up of elements that possess the chemical potentials that life is entirely dependent upon. Those chemical potentials are not expressed in the absence of water solvency. So again, how amazingly fortunate we are that these chemical potentials exist in the first instance, and additionally within an environment of abundant water solvency such as Earth, able to express these potentials.
My essay is an attempt at something audacious. It questions the fundamental nature of the interaction between space and matter Guv = Tuv, and hypothesizes the equality between space curvature and atomic forces is due to common process. Space gives up an energy potential in exchange for atomic forces in a conversion process, which drives atomic activity. And furthermore, that Baryons only exist because this energy potential of space exists, and is available for exploitation. Baryon characteristics and behaviours, complexity of structure and process might then be explained in terms of being evolved and optimised for this purpose and existence. Removing need for so many layers of extraordinary luck to eventuate our own existence. It attempts an interpretation of the above mentioned stellar processes within these terms, but also extends much further. It shines a light on molecular structure that binds matter together, as potentially being an evolved agency that enhances rigidity and therefor persistence of universal system. We then turn a questioning mind towards Earths unlikely geochemical processes, (for which we living things owe so much) and look at its central theme and propensity for molecular rock forming processes. The existence of chemical potentials and their diverse range of molecular bond forming activities? The abundance of water solvent on Earth, for which many geochemical rock forming processes could not be expressed without? The question of a watery Earth? is then implicated as being part of an evolved system that arose for purpose and reason, alongside the same reason and purpose that molecular bonds and chemical process arose.
By identifying process whereby atomic forces draw a potential from space, we have identified means for their perpetual action, and their ability to deliver perpetual work. Forces drive clocks and clock activity is shown by GR to dilate. My essay details the principle of force dilation and applies it to a universal mystery. My essay raises the possibility, that nature in possession of a natural energy potential, will spontaneously generate a circumstance of Darwinian emergence. It did so on Earth, and perhaps it did so within a wider scope. We learnt how biology generates intricate structure and complexity, and now we learn how it might apply for intricate structure and complexity within universal physical systems.
To steal a phrase from my essay "A world product of evolved optimization".
Best of luck for the conclusion of the contest
Kind regards
Steven Andresen
Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin