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The ADM approach to relativity in one sense does "spoil" the origiinal perspective of relativity where spacetime exists as whole. In both ADM and more of a block universe perspective the notion of time is strange. In either case general reltivity is not really a dynamical theory, for coordinate time is an element of the field. This element can in either case be imposed freely by the analyst. In the case of standard GR this is fixed by the coordinate condition the analyst chooses, and in ADM this is given by the freedom to choose the lapse and shift functions. These are different ways a gauge-like condition can be imposed on a problem.

The ADM approach is applicable for numerical problems, which is done through either Regge calculus or grid adaptive algorithms. It also has found use in quantum gravity calculations, usually in a Euclidean form, because the Wheeler-DeWitt (WDW) equation and the path integral formulation that results works within the techniques established in quantum field theory.

It is a standard matter that a Hamiltonian is established on spatial surfaces with some fixed "time arrow," and where equal time commutators are established. This is of course why the ADM and WDW approaches have become popular. There is of course the additional issue that gauge-like connections exist in a nonHausadorff moduli space, which means they do not satisfy Cauchy type of convergence conditions. As a result many analysts Euclideanized these problems. The intention is to examine QFT amplitudes with elliptic conditions (Atiyah-Singer indices etc) which are presumed to capture the physics in the Lorentzian configuration. Of course the topological issues of moduli are ultimately being swept under the rug. Outside of this being some sort of instanton for cosmological tunnelling states, I find this to be a far bigger adulteration than a "space plus time" ADM approach to GR.

I could go on at considerable length here, where underneath this, some correspondence between Euclidean and Lorentzian configurations, involves a Bogoliubov map between inequivalent unitary quantum groups.

There are two notions of time at work here. General relativity only defines a physical time according to the invariant interval or proper time of a particle. Coordinate time as an element of spacetime is a gauge dependent (a gauge theory for an external symmetry) quantity, which ultimately has nothing to do with any evolution. Hence the nature of block time. Yet to do QFT, we establish a Hamiltonian (an internal generator of time translations) which is attached to spatial surfaces with some time direction.

The dichotomy between these concepts of time probably lie at the heart of the obstructions we face with quantum gravity and cosmology. It is worth focusing in on this, and after all Einstein said of his annus mirabilus and his publication of relativity that he solved the problem by focusing in on the nature of time.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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In connection with the last paragraph from Larry's posting (Dec. 26, 2008 @ 14:01 GMT), it seems to me that the problem of time in canonical quantum gravity should be solved along with the Hilbert space problem en bloc, since the latter is 'the test of the pudding' for the former. More in my latest posting at Claus Kiefer's thread from Dec. 26, 2008 @ 17:01 GMT.

David: Please excuse my violent curiosity. If you prefer, I will quit.

Best - Dimi

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Before we know the Hilbert space it might be best if we have some idea of the contact structure of relativity. The action is of the form dS = pdq - Hdt, which defines a one-form. The two form d^2S = 0 = dpvdq - dHvdt (v = wedge) tells us that &H/&p = dot-q and &H/&q = -dot-p (dot = time derivative) and we get from the contant form from dS, the tangent bundle = ker(dS), the equations of motion, a'la Frobenius theorem. With ADM relativity we of course have a similar structure, but the contact manifold is not defined properly with the lapse and shift functions. We do not have well defined notion of how x = NH N^iH_i is a well defined one-form which defines a two-form dx. The restriction of this two-form to a hyperplane defined by xvdx =! 0 (=! means not equal to). Hence in mini-superspace the meaning of a contact structure, or energy surface, of 5 = 3*2 - 1 dimensions is not apparent.

For quantum gravity the trivial O(1) "point" line bundle is replaced with a U(1) bundle by extending the symplectic structure to a Kahler one. The Hilbert space constructed by polarizations of the bundle is not apparent, mainly because the classical energy H(p,q) = E for the expectated value of the quantum langle Hrangle is absent.

There is one hint we might exploit. Fermions obey Y^2 = 0, which extends to supersymmetry (if one wants to consider that) with Q^2 = 0. This is the topology d^2 = 0 "boundary of a boundary = 0". This means that Y = ker(Q)/im(Q), for Q a boundary-like operator in BRST quantization. Hence the field Y is not QX. Thus for spinorial gravity the Frobenius theorem might not apply directly because the tangent bundle must be replaced by a closed form that is not exact.

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Larry:

You wrote (Dec. 16, 2008 @ 16:36 GMT):

"The issue of time is a bit slippery. I am not out to deny the existence of time, but it is something which appears to be geometrical and as such "relational." It relates kinematic entities to dynamical ones. As I see it the important question is not whether time exists, but as a relational quantity "what does it tell us?""

I believe the so-called Buridan donkey paradox mentioned above (Dec. 25, 2008 @ 11:29 GMT and Dec. 25, 2008 @ 03:41 GMT) offers a tentative answer to your very important question: time as a geometrical entity "tells us" that the world is fundamentally relational (relational ontology), in line with the Bootstrap Principle of Geoffrey Chew (Science 161 (1968) 762).

And here at David Wiltshire's thread, you wrote (Dec. 26, 2008 @ 14:01 GMT): "There are two notions of time at work here. General relativity only defines a physical time according to the invariant interval or proper time of a particle. Coordinate time as an element of spacetime is a gauge dependent (a gauge theory for an external symmetry) quantity, which ultimately has nothing to do with any evolution. Hence the nature of block time."

It seems to me that the "block time" and "block universe" (BU) are artifacts from the current incomplete GR. I've been trying to suggest, in my two postings mentioned above, the notion of 'quasi-local time' with two components, "global" and "local". The latter corresponds to 'physical time in GR', each event from which is *already negotiated* in the "global" component of time. Just try to think of this 'already negotiated' as the "duration" of the flight of a photon, from its emmission to its absorption: it is zero. It's like clapping your hands by which you produce one event of joint emission/absorption.

Hence the "dark gaps" of negotiation in the "global" component of time are completely and totally extinguished in the 'physical time in GR' (the "local" component of time), rendering the latter a *perfect continuum* that is being created dynamically and relationally. Hence we may have the "quantization" of spacetime installed from the outset.

I regret that learned about this FQXi Contest too late, on December 2nd, and haven't submitted my essay here. I can only hope that my ideas might be of some interest to David and to you.

Dimi

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Dimi and Lawrence,

I don't quite have the time to respond to every point you have raised. I shall restrict my reply to those that I think are most pertinent to the subject of my essay.

Lawrence: you have made a number of insightful comments, also at George Ellis' thread, and I concur with your statement that "the dichotomy between these concepts of time probably lie at the heart of the obstructions we face with quantum gravity and cosmology". Here you are referring to the proper time of a particle on one hand, an invariant, and a Hamiltonian on spatial surfaces with an orthogonal time parameter, which is gauge dependent.

Let me bring back the equivalence principle, the focus of my essay. The strong equivalence principle tells us that we can always find a local inertial frame, and really we only know how to quantum mechanics and quantum field theories in such Minkowski frames. The question is how do we proceed when we include gravity and go beyond local inertial frames? Although I am not directly addressing quantum gravity, I have worked on quantum cosmology in the past, and it is my view that the canonical Wheeler-DeWitt quantization, or any similar quantization based on something like the ADM formalism, is inadequate. The problem, as you have recognized, is this formalism treats spacetime at the classical level timelessly as a 4-dimensional construct. There is no real evolution built in, and therefore any 3+1 split, as a pretext to quantization, is gauge-dependent. My view, which is maybe similar to George Ellis' evolving block universe, is that we have to formulate the classical cosmological problem already as an evolution problem before we quantize. Since the universe had a beginning the domain of the causal past is limited at any event; and the geometry near any event can only depend on things in its past light cone. Viewed this way it is imperative that we treat cosmological GR as an evolution problem. I am not trying to understand quantization yet, but to understand this other question. How does the universe choose something akin to an average spatial hypersurfaces as it evolves? My answer is to go back to first principles and extend the equivalence principle.

Dimi: I have looked at your website, but in general find it too incoherent to follow. I feel you have some good physical insights, and you certainly ask some probing questions, but you use your own personal idioms and mix so many different problems simultaneously in an intuitive way, that it is very hard often to see precisely what you are aiming at. Writing a focused paper on just one topic to clarify what is meant by some of these personal idioms, with a degree of rigor to make it acceptable for publication in a journal, would greatly help your cause. When you talk about your notion of 'quasi-local time' with two components, "global" and "local" etc, actually intuitively I think this is very much the sort of thing I am doing in my approach. I do not use the words "quasilocal time" because I think it is best to reserve "time" to describe the local proper time that we usually refer to in GR. Something cannot be both local and quasilocal. However, I do have a "volume-average time" which is different to the local proper time of observers at finite infinity. You talk about "negotiation" in the global component of time, without defining what "negotiation" is. I would suggest that averaging and coarse-graining, which are words that you do not like, are the same thing as you are are referring to with your terminology "negotiation". It's just that people who have thought about the problem in other ways come with their own terminology.

How we do averaging is an unsolved problem in GR, and I think George Ellis gave a pretty good statement of the problem to you in his reply of December 21. My essay describes a proposal that we interpolate between the local and "global" frames by extending the equivalence principle to a cosmological equivalence principle. The thing is that the strong equivalence principle already tells us how the average frame is "negotiated" on very small scales. In the standard cosmology we assume an answer to the averaging problem by simply demanding that there is a single global average FLRW geometry for the whole universe, and that matter averages to homogeneous isotropic pressureless dust for all times. That is at odds with observed inhomogeneity below scales of 100/h Mpc. Rather than demanding a single global geometry, I propose that we can always choose regional cosmological frames with the spatial symmetries of Minkowski space, but not the time symmetries - since we are talking about the dynamical regime. Rather there is a regional conformal timelike Killing vector. When George Ellis mentioned the conformal timelike Killing vector on his thread, he was probably referring to the standard FLRW cosmology. In some general cosmology, like various Bianchi models, there is no such timelike conformal Killing vector. I propose (for a variety of reasons that I discuss in the essay and the recent paper in Physical Review D) that even though the universe is inhomogeneous, the manner of the "negotiation" between local and global in the fitting/averaging/coarse-graining problem is that we can always choose average regional frames which are Minkowski up to a timelike conformal scaling; i.e., with spatial symmetries of Minkowski and an additional timelike conformal Killing vector. This is less strong than what we do in the standard cosmology, which assumes this as a global frame. My reasons for doing this - which also lead to a testable model - are stated in the essay, so I will not repeat it here, unless there is some point that is not clear.

On an unrelated issue. Why is there only positive mass? Weak equivalence principle: if negative mass were to have a meaning it ought to violate the principle of uniqueness of free fall. This is an intuitive answer, not a theorem. However, I'm sure the positive mass theorems could be rederived with a suitable definition of finite infinity. It would require a very tight definition of finite infinity first, however.

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Dave,

Curiously what you say at the end connects things in an interesting way, but before then ... .

The WDW equation as a constraint equation might be a condition on the target map between a D3-brane and spacetime. I am invoking some of the ideas of Steinhardt about cosmologies associated with D3-branes which interact by their mutual connection with type II strings. Your idea of cosmological conformal principle I think has connections with conformal structure on strings & branes. This is one thing I find interesting about this.

I advise people to read Hestenes' paper. It is fairly simple in its maths and I think makes some valuable points. The zitterbewegung, which is related to what Penrose calls the "zig-zag" in his "Road to Reality" with respect to the 2-component Weyl spinor equations, is a motion of a massless fermion in a trap which confers a mass to it. The force which traps the particle has a gauge-like structure to it. The reason I bring this up is that I have thought that QCD and conformal gravity are copies of a similar structure. The couplings involved with the two theories might have some Olive-Montenen pq = hbar duality to them. So conformal gravity SU(2,2) which contains the dS and AdS spacetimes is dual to an extended QCD ~ SU(4) that breaks down as SU(3)xU(1). So a fermion is trapped in a bubble in much the same way a particle (or black hole) is confined in the hyperbolic AdS. For the electron this confinement is given by the SU(2) struture of the spinor equations, while for quarks there is the extended SU(3) gauge confinement.

To really discuss this requires use of extended Clifford algebras, but I will defer that until later. I will say that the 120-cell of icosian quaternions I work with in my paper works in this direction.

This then segues into the issue of negative energy. If we consider the grand master Dirac, he illustrated how fermionic states of negative energy are completely occupied. Zap a filled negative state with energy and you pull out a particle with negative quantum numbers but positive mass. This is the anti-electron and other anti-fermions. In a spinorial context gravity is I think similar. Negative energy states simply don't manifest themselves because they may be occupied in the same way the Dirac sea is filled. This is related in some ways to the Boulware (sp?) vacuum and energy states near horizons. Curious solutions to the Einstein field equations, such as wormholes, warp drives and Kraznikov tubes, might simply be completely occupied, just as negative mass, positively charged electron states define a "sea."

I an somewhat conservative and doubt that things such as time travel are really possible. So I think that nature in her wisdom has quantum states corresponding to these solutions filled up, which prevents them from becoming real.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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David:

Thank you for your precise and thoughtful reply from Dec. 27, 2008 @ 08:35 GMT. In the last paragraph, regarding positive mass theorems, you wrote: "It would require a very tight definition of finite infinity first, however."

You hit the nail on the head. If we employ the Aristotelian First Cause and Unmover Mover, we may have a precise "boundary" in the so-called "global" component of time, while in the "local" time this same "boundary" would look like an ever-sliding horizon extendable to infinity. The underlying motivation here is that we shall sort out the ambiguities with our notion of '3-D space', and then approach the nature of time, pertaining to this 3-D space.

You said: "Something cannot be both local and quasilocal." I believe it depends on how you understand Quantum Theory (please check out my essay on QM). Which brings me to your comment that I talk about "negotiation" in the global component of time, without defining what "negotiation" is. EPR correlations are just one example of "negotiation", but the really difficult task, to me at least, is to *derive* the Equivalence Principle -- the focus of your essay -- from some broader perspective based on Machian-type relational ontology (cf. the Buridan donkey paradox). At the end of the day, we should be able to understand the origin of the positive mass, and the mechanism by which inertial reaction forces are being generated "instantaneously" (in the "global" component of time, perhaps).

As of today, the Equivalence Principle gives us the dubious "freedom" to eliminate the energy-components of the gravitational field *at a point* (Hermann Weyl, Space-Time-Matter, Dover Publications, New York, 1951, 1922, p. 270). I cannot accept this, and neither did Einstein (quote from Dec. 25, 2008 @ 03:41 GMT above).

You are right that I should produce a "focused paper on just one topic". I will do that by the end of 2009, and will comment on your Essay extensively.

Thank you, once more, for inviting me to your thread.

Dimi

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Dimi: The quasilocality referenced with mass-energy, or nonlocality of energy, is due to the fact that

p^a = e_bT^{ab}

is a frame dependent quantity. P_a = (E, p) defines an invariant interval (mc^2)^2 = E^2 - (pc)^2, but the specific components E and p are, just as with t and x, coordinates that are not of primary physical importance. Further, the above definition of the momentum-energy component p^a will in a Stokes' law calculation give a de_b = w^c_be_e (w^c_b a connection term) which can be removed by a coordinate condition. It is in this sense that energy is no localizable.

Nonlocality of quantum states means entanglements can exist between states across any distance in either space or time, recall the Wheeler Delayed Choice Experiment. Entanglements do not correlate with causality conditions according to the spacetime variables we use to represent quantum wave functions.

I will confess that I think these two are related in some ways that we don't understand. However, at this time they are distinct concepts. It is worth noting that a quantum spin system and the structure of parallel transport of vectors in GR share a Galois structure GF(4), and are algebraically equivalent. As I say, if you want to understand physics best geometrical structures are best replaced with algebraic ones according to some functor.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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Larry: Thank you for your efforts. If you wish to comment on my efforts to *think* of gravitational energy as being both localizable and non-localizable (cf. my postings above), please do it at your thread and I'll jump there, with utmost pleasure. I believe all this pertains to the nature of time in GR, since nobody has managed to separate time from energy. Surely in textbook GR there isn't such animal like the one I propose, perhaps because I address this puzzle in GR after proposing a solution to the measurement problem in QM.

Dimi

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Dimi: I do not believe that the equivalence principle can be derived. Rather it is a principle that limits the possible class of physical theories, just as the principle of relativity limits the possible kinematic relationship of particles near a point. Physics, I believe, proceeds from physical principles that limit the uncountably infinite number of mathematical structures one could imagine to describe the physical world. The strong equivalence principle already tells you how the classical spacetime is negotiated in a very small region near a point; because particles are in motion, and they continue to move in a manner consistent with special relativity including any non-gravitational forces in a very small spacetime region. This is a spacetime region in which no one spacelike 3-surface is singled out as special. So there is no Buridan donkey paradox near a point because there is no special space direction and the local inertial frame (LIF) is regionally "negotiated" from the prior motions of particles in both space and time.

The difficult part of course is patching together these LIFs in general relativity. If the local geometry is dominated by some mass concentration possessing symmetries, then we assume that we can approximate the geometry by an exact solution such as the Schwarzschild or Kerr geometry with the relevant symmetries. Furthermore, this assumption enables us to do calculations and make predictions of the motion of particles and light which agree extremely well with what is observed. The real problem is when we now attempt to patch these almost isolated geometries together in the absence of exact symmetries.

That is the fitting problem that George Ellis spelled out. We do not use the Friedmann equation to solve for the Earth's motion about the sun, or the sun's motion around the galaxy. Yet we naively assume that we can write down solutions of the Friedmann equation and apply the invariant time and distance definitions of this geometry as if it were the local geometry, when it is not. Since homogeneity is only reached by averaging on scales of at least of order 100/h Mpc, this step is not justified by any principle of general relativity. Since the deduction of cosmic acceleration and vacuum energy energy are completed based on this unprincipled assumption, also at odds with the evidence for inhomogeneity from our telescopes, it is prudent to ask whether one can realistically account for the observations in another way. What I have shown in my work is that, to the level of the observational tests I have considered thus far, one can. Furthermore, conceptually it means thinking about quasilocal gravitational energy.

The cosmological equivalence principle is a precisely step towards a "Machian relational ontology". As far as I am concerned neither space nor time has an existence separate from the matter fields that exist within it. A lot of essays in this competition are hung up on the question of the "reality" of the spacetime continuum. Well, what do we mean my "real"? If one supposed that a spacetime could exist independently of material fields, then as far as I am concerned no such entity exists (which to me also makes it perfectly sensible that there is no vacuum energy). However, I do not consider myself an "illusionist" in George Ellis' terminology because the time on my clock is real, just as the length of ruler is real, or the energy of a photon I measure after transmission across a cosmological scales is real. That is the only reality, the rest is a mathematical relational structure.

As a purely mathematical theory of differential geometry, general relativity is I believe, too general. All those crazy solutions with closed timelike curves, wormholes, and the like, are I believe ruled out by physical principles, and the key ones are the class of principles we call the equivalence principle, as they deal with the concept of inertia. The strong equivalence principle already severely restricts our choice of metric connection; placing restrictions on the way you might try to introduce torsion as a physical variable. I am proposing the cosmological equivalence principle as a means of further restricting our choice of background universe - in a way which would make all those solutions with closed timelike curves, or indeed anisotropic Bianchi models, physically redundant.

At the basis of this is a further clarification of the notion of inertia - the centre piece of the Machian ontology. How is the average relational background "negotiated" as an average of all fields and motions? The semi-tethered lattice I have introduced is a Minkowski space analogue of a collective regional deceleration, with conversion of energy from kinetic to other forms, while no net force is felt by any particle in the lattice, justifying the statement that for this regional decelerating frame we have a sense of "inertia". Real energy is extracted from this process just as energy is extracted from gravitational collapse; yet the sense of inertia relates to geodesic motion that maintains a collective average regional homogeneity. This is what makes it quasilocal. My cosmological equivalence principle is to demand that the "negotiation process" is such that in the fitting problem we can always choose such average regional frames with such a quasilocal notion of inertia. At such a level we cannot distinguish the regional deceleration of matter due to its average density from an equivalent semi-tethered lattice deceleration process in a Minkowski space in which an equivalent amount of kinetic energy of expansion is converted to other forms. (That's the equivalent of the work done by gravity.) This is the essence of the regional timelike conformal Killing symmetry. Thus I claim over the scales of regional inhomogeneity we find such frames in the universe, which have decelerated by different amounts, and their local clocks will differ cumulatively.

In saying that something cannot be both quasilocal and local, I am simply stating that you have to be absolutely clear in your concepts and definitions to build a predictive physical model, and if you cannot build a physical model (through such lack of precision) then you are wasting time. "Quasilocal" means something more than local, otherwise we would simply use the word "local". In my case it is a property of regional collective motions, as outlined above. The time measured on a clock will still be a local time always. Different regions will have different average local proper times on their clocks. So there is a sense in which the measurement of an average time parameter is "quasilocal" as in being region dependent. But I would suggest that one does not learn that much from a slogan such as "time is both local and quasi-local" which just hides a degree of precision of clarification. For a physical model one needs a degree of precision in stating just by what amount some average time parameter will differ from one region to another, and for observers defined in what manner. How do we calibrate the clocks in the regional "negotiation"? In my case is it observers who see an isotropic CMB in regions of varying spatial curvature due to strong inhomogeneities consistent with the observed structure of voids and walls below the scale of homogeneity in the observed universe. Furthermore, I quantify the cumulative difference in clock rates of relevant canonical observers.

Personally, I think my cosmological equivalence principle is just a first step, and there is a lot further to go. Think of it this way: individual stars are treated as vacuum solutions and have ADM energies. Yet from all that vacuum and ADM energy we assume that the collective description is described by a dust fluid with a non-zero Ricci tensor, even though the original solutions had zero Ricci curvature (and only Weyl curvature). So, how do we mathematically convert a collection of ADM energies to dust with Ricci curvature? Ricci curvature is so very nebulous a concept in the presence of the equivalence principle. Some of my colleagues such as Thomas Buchert and Mauro Carfora think that this averaging away of Ricci curvature is related mathematically to Ricci flow, as a sort of renormalization process. That may be the case, but I think we are just scratching the surface, and have to ask penetrating physical questions, rather than just playing with mathematical formalism. If we construct such flows mathematically, then there has to be a physical relation to the relative calibration of local clocks and rods in doing the renormalization. I do not pretend to yet have all the answers; what I have tried to do in my essay is to approach the foundational physical questions, to the extent that one can start to build quantitative cosmological models.

Of course the question of initial conditions is vitally important on cosmological scales. Dimi, when you talk about "the Aristotelian First Cause and Unmover" then no doubt you are talking conceptually in such terms, though to me me such phrases do not mean anything until you can write down a physical model which somehow quantitatively matches reality. As someone who has worked in quantum gravity, I think that often we try to do too much at once, while overlooking the fact that some things we think we understand are not really that well understood. The idea that we have to sort out the mystery of some physical fluid in the vacuum of space is grossly premature, when our entire deduction of the existence of dark energy relies on ignoring a "too hard" fitting problem and pretending that our universe has exact symmetries which differ from what we observe. I stopped working in quantum gravity and cosmology because I though I was wasting my time until these other fundamental issues, such as the fitting problem, are not sorted out. Let us first try to sort that out, and maybe it will give us fresh ideas about the other problems, even if the fitting problem is only a classical problem.

Lawrence: at this point I would say that any connection between my "cosmological conformal principle" and conformal structures of strings and branes is not at all obvious. I am only talking about a timelike conformal symmetry for establishing average regional cosmological frames in which it is useful to phrase a quasilocal gravitational energy concept. I am not talking about complete conformal structures per se, but only a timelike one for average regional frames in cosmology. Now, it is true that the unboundedness of the Euclidean action in the naive approach to 4-d quantum gravity can be spelt out mathematically in terms of conformal equivalence classes (I seem to recall though I cannot remember the paper - circa 1979). So maybe there is some relation, who knows. But while strings and branes make for interesting models (which I have worked on too) they are not established observationally as anything to do with the real world. So I am only worrying about classical GR and observational cosmology at present. The essay of David Hestenes - which involves a real world experiment beyond standard particle phenomenology - is indeed very interesting, and I thank you for pointing it out.

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The connection with D3-branes is something which came to mind. To be honest I have largely been skeptical of some of these ideas about oscillating cosmologies due to brane-brane bound states tied by strings. You come a bit closer to this idea with the mention of Ricc-flow and renormalization. The Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow centers around conformal theory, which in a string-brane setting might be induced by a target map from the brane-string sector.

As a further comment, your discussion of the nebulous nature of Ricci curvature, EP and energy, this is one reason I suspect there are deep problems with most models which have the cosmological constant as due to a vacuum energy source.

Of course at this point these are just thoughts which I have been kicking around and nothing serious at this time.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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David wrote (Dec. 29, 2008 @ 02:00 GMT):

"Of course the question of initial conditions is vitally important on cosmological scales. Dimi, when you talk about "the Aristotelian First Cause and Unmover" then no doubt you are talking conceptually in such terms, though to me me such phrases do not mean anything until you can write down a physical model which somehow quantitatively matches reality."

The challenge I face with the Aristotelian First Cause and Unmoved Mover is first and foremost mathematical: it is not clear to me what particular blueprint from these notions should be sought in quantum gravity, yet I think it should be presented with pure math only, or else the First Cause and Unmoved Mover will be *physically* reachable.

I will be very difficult to provide compelling evidence that the whole physical world may be grounded on some Aristotelian "cutoff" that is nothing but 'pure math'. Not to mention the UNspeakable 'cat per se' (cf. my essay on QM mentioned above), which is also unclear in mathematical terms. But if some day I make progress, will get in touch with you.

Best - Dimi

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At the risk of making a monkey out of myself some thoughts have come to mind with respect to this matter. Consider the conformal map g_{ab} ---> Q^2g_{ab} for the diagonal flat spacetime. Then for Q = du/dt we get the synchronous time metric

ds^2 = -dt^2 Q^2(dx^2 dy^2 dz^2)

Now set Q = e^{2B} for B = B(r). The Ricci curvatures are

R_{ii} = -B_{ii} 2(B_i)^2

where i = x, y, z. This leads to the heat equation &B/&t = nabla^2B, and we get the Ricci flow equation for nabla a gauged operator. So with the tethered grid for expansions in different regions, this sort of Ricci flow would suggest that the "equilibrium" condition obtains according to the renormalization process.

The deSitter spacetime is a case where the density of matter and energy are zero. The current state of the universe is one where the density is small, but not zero. With some calculation it is possible to estimate the De Sitter Horizon should be at 89.98 BLY while the current Cosmic Horizon is 46 BLY. This reflects the deviation from equilibrium, which the Ricci flow equations indicate the universe will eventually reach. At that point the cosmological horizon will evolve to a final state. Potentially beyond that stage the horizon will quantum decay, but that is not a classical domain. So these regions where the tethered net expands in different manners then interact or negotiate (mesh etc) in a way which obeys a Ricci flow type of renormalization.

This does I think have connections to strings. A standard string int d^s sqrt{-q} q^{ij}g_{ab} nabla_iX^a nabla_jX^b, for ij a string index and ab spacetime, will reproduce a Ricci-flow like physics for conformal transformations on the string. Now if that string is not embedded in spacetime, but is attached to two 3D-branes, the Chan-Patton factor or end of the string determines a field phi. For the cosmological constant L ~ H^2W the Hubble parameter will then be a function of H^2 ~ phi', for ' = time derivative. This then connects the time derivative of the metric in the Ricci flow equation with the value of the endpoint (field phi) of the string connecting a D3-brane. There is then some form of a target map between the D3-brane and the induced spacetime.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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Lawrence,

There may be just a few too many connections in your suggestions to be completely plausible (as direct connections rather than analogies), but I will think seriously about any quantitative suggestions relating to Ricci flow. So thank you for your thoughts on this. Mauro Carfora has already thought quite a bit about the Ricci flow perspective in inhomogeneous cosmology - indeed, he was thinking in such terms before Perelman's proof of the Poincare conjecture.

I guess by the "cosmic horizon" you mean what is usually called the "particle horizon"? And by "de Sitter horizon" maybe a "cosmological event horizon" (of which the one in pure de Sitter space - i.e., vacuum energy no matter - is an example). In my proposed cosmology there is no actual cosmological event horizon since the universe is in actual fact decelerating, rather than accelerating. We simply misinterpret luminosity distances and the like by a naive assumption that our locally measured spatial curvature is the same globally, and local clocks of isotropic observers everywhere are the same as ours on relevant surfaces of average homogeneity. Once one does a relative recalibration of coarsely-grained average frames relative to smaller regional "cosmological inertial frames" then a relative deceleration of regional backgrounds below the scale of statistical homogeneity, at rate typically about 10^{-10} m/s^2 accumulates to large differences in relative calibration of clocks, which we interpret as cosmic acceleration. But there is no acceleration really, and so no de-Sitter-like horizon.

Best wishes,

David

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I agree that connections with string-brane concepts are not well founded at this time. I just ponder whether Ricci flow is a way to describe the evolution of cosmology to a final state as a DeSitter cosmology. Then since the central element is conformal spacetimes whether this might have connections to strings and branes. Again this is not something serious at this time, but more in the way of questions and thoughts.

If the universe is FRW then there can be no cosmological horizon, in particular if the universe is indeed decellerating. Of course it seems to me a matter of formalism (eg a sign on the acceleration) to extend what you work with inhomogeneeous regions and tethered lattices for an accelerated case. In that case a Ricci flow associated with these regions will then approach the equilibrium condition, which would be the pure deSitter cosmology.

Whether the universe is accelerating or not is of course not completely settled, which is often the case in science for some time after a discovery. There are issues on whether the "standard candle" as SN1s are as completely calibrated as we think. These happen with diminishing frequency the closer in one looks. As for the spatial curvature of space, this metrology is determined in part by Einstein lenses. Of course this is an active area of research.

We may get better data with the James Webb space telescope. Fortunately the Hubble appears to be given a life extension in the mean time. So these matters will be resolved with more data. Fortunately Obama appears pretty science friendly, a refreshing change from the goofball who has run the US the last 8 years, so we may get further cosmological data through the next decade.

Cheer, L. C.

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David:

I left three comments at George Ellis' thread on Dec. 31, 2008 @ 14:32 GMT. Please notice Comment #1, regarding the missing definition of the non-tensorial gravitational energy in a "fraction DT of time", as George put it.

I will appreciate your professional feedback.

Happy New Year.

Dimi

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