Hi dear Peter

It is nice to read your next attractive article. I can say most of that you saying seems to me very right. I believe too that everything can be don ridiculous simplicity, but matter is many things has been don simply wrong at the far-beginning. So, we must considering that the main problem has more psychological (or, maybe political) character than a technical (I mean math or experimental aspects.) Thus, you and me can crying and to prove whatever we see is right, but the matter is not what here is right or wrong. The important thing is - what we need (or, they) to see there! And I see you says almost the same:

//It seems Einstein's view that; "we should be able to be explain physics to a barmaid" may then be valid but, if so, may pose issues for many of us. Do most in physics really want it's mysteries to be simplified so all can understand at will? Some may perceive it as not in their best interests!//

So, I can only support and wish you succeeded in this contest!

My best wishes to you!

Peter Jackson

Of course the pattern rotates with the equipment, but that does not prove how the pattern changes when you move the detector. So, you cannot prove energy to exist in light. You know that there is two transverse fields, but you cannot know if there is a longitudinal field.

Best

John-Erik Persson

Eric,

I'm not sure what 'proof' ever is, but rotation has three degrees of freedom not just two. Ellipticity change can be from rotation on any axis.

Don't you agree the changes found when changing the backboard distance seem evidence enough of longitudinal change? (If plotted progressively it describes the same fluctuation pattern).

The 'impact' axis energy in beams such as Bessel beams & lasers is quite well known. And what of the photoelectric effect?

Peter

Peter Jackson

3 fields and 2 must change; 1 of 2 transverse and longitudinal. Does not prove energy motion inside the wave fronts; and not prove energy to even exist in light. Instead, 2 transverse fields can represent information (potential forces) that later become real when light hits the detector (charge) we use. If so, energy comes from the ether.

John-Erik Persson

    Peter Jackson

    You are perhaps interested in my last comment that I wrote on Josephson's page. Take a look!

    Best regards from John-Erik Persson

    John-Erik, I can agree the following;

    1. Nothing can 'prove' anything in physics.

    2. Energy is found from interactions with light. Precisely how? we don't know.

    3. As 'meters' are part of the system they DO influence detected values.

    4. Dark energy does exist, not as 'matter', but can condense to pairs.

    You don't explain what 'potential' and 'real' forces are. I could rationalise them as 'dark' and condensed particle energy (with all 3 degrees of freedom not just 2) but I suggest we can't say more.

    Best

    Peter

    Peter Jackson

    The distinction between POTENTIAL and REAL is clear. However, the meaning of BLACK can be discussed.

    In the comment to Josephson I suggested light that not transferred energy. What do you think?

    John-Erik Persson

    John-Eric

    I did look but couldn't comment more that the above. In quantum optics energy transfer on the propagation axis is found on interactions and can be calculated for any lambda. It's pretty dramatic when focused such as in Bessel Beams & lasers!

    I think suggesting that findings, Planck's equation E=hf etc are wrong will take exceptionally rigorous proof with counter experimentation results! I also can't see any theoretical logic as to why any one of the 3 degrees of freedom should or could be 'underprivileged'. So sorry I'd need a lot of proof to seriously consider it.

    Peter

    Hi Peter,

    I see your still working on your classical OAM model. Me I'm still working on a Bohr interpretation of physics and think to have found a mathematical sound formalization of Bohr's view. I always wondered, what Einstein or Bell would have said to my interpretation.

    I would be happy if you could find the time to read my essay called The quantum sheep - in defence of a positivist view on physics.

    Best wishes for the contest

    Luca

      Basically Peter Jackson and Decaln Traill have have shown - that the indistinguishable i - can be thought of as the two indistinguishable constants of closure on the geometry (of a sphere). Or the "Fundamental Theory Of Algebra" needs two constants to close a general "energy count of a measurable outcome". Clearly we need two halves at work from their work, that seem to imply we close Peter's equations on his sphere using (up,down) & (left, right) etc two ways.

      From wiki - That is, i is a unique (i.e. distinguishable) number defined as the square root of minus one, i.e.,i тЙб +тИЪ-1. Since there are two possible square roots for any number +тИЪ and -тИЪ, clearly the square roots of a negative number cannot be distinguished until one of the two is defined as the imaginary unit, at which point +i and -i can then be distinguished. Since either choice is possible, there is no ambiguity in defining i as "the" square root of minus one.

      Clearly looking at Traill's computer programme and Jackson's physical experiment - what is being mapped out is how +i and -i are indistinguishable, all his programme does is to use random numbers to show that quantum vectors can distributed over a whole sphere, as a classical system. All we do is assign +1 or -1 (via Bell/EPR duality), and then as compared to pure randomness, when we do the actual measurements as a series, we get quantum correlations. One half of the sphere we get +/- 1 and the other half we get +/- 1.

      Well the indistinguishable +i and -i each has it's own +/- signs. That is, what Traill and Jackson have done is do the experiment to show that the "complex imaginary unit" (where +i and -i are indistinguishable hence we do the extraordinary as they have shown) in our current theories has been using only one-half of the indistinguishable "complex imaginary unit". See attachment didn't know how to attach diagrams in this message box.

      I really enjoyed reading your essays over the last few years so full of details and always with an experiment as well. I think you have done some good work here, and I have mark you highly

      see my essay "What is Fundamental is the area of the imaginary unit" for more details,and Peter please read the attachment in the first post as well. It is a FAQ post.

      https://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Tiainen_Essay_2018_Final_2.pdf

      Also Peter I have attached a PDF of more comments about +i and -i using your red/sock trick, it features heavily in my essay. Enjoy Harri

        Sorry Peter I cannot seem to attach files to posts for some reason - if you send me your email I can sent it to you- will attempt again tomorrow.

        Luca,

        Yes, I certainly adhere to all Bell & most of what Bohr said. I'm also sure if I'd been at Solvay in 1927 and shown the way to unify SR & QM we may have avoided ~100yrs of confusion!

        Did you see my 3 pre 2014 essays showing how SR is implemented by the same absorption/re-emission mechanism?

        I have yours on my list and look forward to some positivism.

        Very Best

        Peter

        Jouko,

        Thanks for the eulogy and fresh view of what we've achieved. I'll check it out.

        I look forward to reading your essay, also the pdf, send direct to; pj.ukc.edu@physics.org

        All help is welcome in overcoming the massive theoretical inertia, here as much as anywhere.

        kind regards

        Peter

        Peter, I watched your Vimeo video of 38 minutes (in your bibliography) and then read your essay. Listening to you speak in the video helped me to read your voice on the page.

        It seems you advocate a "language translation" between models: the model used in your video to the current Standard Models for example. I wonder if the translation might be done formally following the diagram of the "infomorphism" on page 73 of "Information Flow: The Logic of Distributed Systems" by Barwise and Seligman.

        My own belief is that we will never understand the Universe-- there will always be mysteries. And then there is the old story about the blind men encountering an elephant for the first time. One grabs the tail, and the tail becomes the model in support of his statements about the elephant.

        Much like your sphere in various situations becomes the models supporting your statements in the paper. Much like experiments become the models supporting statements in the Standard Models.

        Of course in the old story about the elephant, each blind man has a different model, each model supporting their differing statements. Although there would be no infomorphism between some statements-- such as the elephant being like the branch of a tree for the man holding the tail, while for the man feeling the leg, the elephant is like a tree trunk-- there may be other statements which translate exactly. For example, the smell of the elephant would be largely the same for each man.

        My own approach In this contest is to translate from the probable experiential knowledge of particular pre-socratics (Thales, Xenophanes, Parmenides, and then Socrates himself)-- specifically about their probable experiential knowledge of "the self"-- into possible scientific knowledge for a community of researchers, for example, those who have the know-how to use non-wellfounded sets, co-algebras and streams. Especially when the likes of string theory seems beyond verification by experiment.

        As for the blind men feeling the elephant, for each domain of mathematics such as field theory, co-algebras etc., there may be infomorphisms between each language, including yours.

        Thank you for making me aware of your work!

        Peter:

        Excellent essay. Got the deserved high marks. Sharp and witty language as expected from a Brit!

        We are FUNDAMENTALLY in agreement пЃЉ!

        I agree with you that the light bending by the Sun is most likely due to refraction by the gradient index of its corona plasma.

        You have quoted Einstein's desire to find the foundation from a fundamentally new way of thinking. This is critically important. Otherwise, we will remain stuck in the "success rut", as I have mentioned in my essay.

        However, I do see differences in our approaches. This is only because I am a hardcore experimentalist and coming with a background optical science and engineering. I also differ from you from the sociological implication of "Revolution". We know from the history of politico-economic revolutions that they are very disruptive and more damaging, specifically, for those who were supposed to have gained more economic freedom. In reality, what we see is that again a minority of "Tribal Leaders" have taken over the helm and only a small fraction of the revolutionary benefits have "trickled down" to the masses. Therefore, I prefer, slow, steady and incremental changes in our SCIENTIFIC ENTERPRISE where the funding steadily shifts towards out-of-box thinkers who are system engineers in their epistemology. After all, nature has been the most impressive system engineer in creating, managing and letting the universe keep evolving.

        Chandra.

          Chandra,

          Many thanks. Most agree big change is overdue. I suggest

          Dear Peter Jackson

          Just letting you know that I am making a start on reading of your essay, and hope that you might also take a glance over mine please? I look forward to the sharing of thoughtful opinion. Congratulations on your essay rating as it stands, and best of luck for the contest conclusion.

          My essay is titled

          "Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin". It stands as a novel test for whether a natural organisational principle can serve a rationale, for emergence of complex systems of physics and cosmology. I will be interested to have my effort judged on both the basis of prospect and of novelty.

          Thank you & kind regards

          Steven Andresen

          Thinking freely does not mean we can think the way we like. Science has developed a methodology of operations where we have some postulations. These are build up to explain the process under study. The outcomes are expressed mathematically. The process is continued till we reach the objective we have set to explain. Finally, our approach has to be confirmed experimentally, no escaping that. Pure Mathematics has no place in Physics unless backed by logic of postulates based on existing knowledge. Kindly indicate your response if you differ.