A Fundamental Misunderstanding by Declan Andrew Traill

Dear Declan

Please note that I have posted a reply to you on my own thread. Some of it is better placed on your thread so here it is ...

I still have a couple of points about your contest paper which I will likely post in your thread. But I have not got to grips with the Steering Inequality yet. The Steering Inequality is a theoretical device (2011 paper) which is not part of the recent experimental results (2015 paper)? The 2015 paper did not mention 'steering' AFAIK and anyway they only had 245 pairs of outcomes. And surely they did not contaminate an experimental finding with results other than +1 or -1? I presume that the steering inequality implies that some data were not detected to be measured for some genuine pairs which would have reduced the correlation absolute size if that data had been detected in the 2015 experiment? Or am I missing something from the 2015 experimental design?

Best

Austin

Hi Declan Andrew Traill

Wonderful work " Quantum Mechanics claims that particles can become entangled such that there is a correlation in the detected results from EPR type experiments that cannot be explained by Classical Physics. This paper shows that the result can be fully explained by Classical Physics, and that the correlation curve for different angles between the two detectors can by reproduced when modeled this way."dear Declan Andrew Traill... you are clearing...a fundamental misunderstanding.............. very nice idea!.... I highly appreciate your essay and hope you please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your some of the valuable & esteemed guidance

Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :

-No Isotropy

-No Homogeneity

-No Space-time continuum

-Non-uniform density of matter, universe is lumpy

-No singularities

-No collisions between bodies

-No blackholes

-No warm holes

-No Bigbang

-No repulsion between distant Galaxies

-Non-empty Universe

-No imaginary or negative time axis

-No imaginary X, Y, Z axes

-No differential and Integral Equations mathematically

-No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to GR on any condition

-No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models

-No many mini Bigbangs

-No Missing Mass / Dark matter

-No Dark energy

-No Bigbang generated CMB detected

-No Multi-verses

Here:

-Accelerating Expanding universe with 33% Blue shifted Galaxies

-Newton's Gravitation law works everywhere in the same way

-All bodies dynamically moving

-All bodies move in dynamic Equilibrium

-Closed universe model no light or bodies will go away from universe

-Single Universe no baby universes

-Time is linear as observed on earth, moving forward only

-Independent x,y,z coordinate axes and Time axis no interdependencies between axes..

-UGF (Universal Gravitational Force) calculated on every point-mass

-Tensors (Linear) used for giving UNIQUE solutions for each time step

-Uses everyday physics as achievable by engineering

-21000 linear equations are used in an Excel sheet

-Computerized calculations uses 16 decimal digit accuracy

-Data mining and data warehousing techniques are used for data extraction from large amounts of data.

- Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true....Have a look at

http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/p/blog-page_15.html

I request you to please have a look at my essay also, and give some of your esteemed criticism for your information........

Dynamic Universe Model says that the energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation passing grazingly near any gravitating mass changes its in frequency and finally will convert into neutrinos (mass). We all know that there is no experiment or quest in this direction. Energy conversion happens from mass to energy with the famous E=mC2, the other side of this conversion was not thought off. This is a new fundamental prediction by Dynamic Universe Model, a foundational quest in the area of Astrophysics and Cosmology.

In accordance with Dynamic Universe Model frequency shift happens on both the sides of spectrum when any electromagnetic radiation passes grazingly near gravitating mass. With this new verification, we will open a new frontier that will unlock a way for formation of the basis for continual Nucleosynthesis (continuous formation of elements) in our Universe. Amount of frequency shift will depend on relative velocity difference. All the papers of author can be downloaded from "http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/ "

I request you to please post your reply in my essay also, so that I can get an intimation that you replied

Best

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Declan

Very sorry for being obscure and wasting some of your time. The 2015 report was on the latest real experiment, that I know of, to try to close the loopholes (which had only 245 pairs of particles):

https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05949

Experimental loophole-free violation of a Bell inequality using entangled electron spins separated by 1.3 km

Do you know if this is one of the recent experiments that have used the steering inequality as mentioned in your paragraph following Figure 2?

Best

Austin

Dear Fellow Essayists

This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

FQXI is clearly seeking to find out if there is a fundamental REALITY.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Thank you Dear Declan Andrew Traill

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An interesting idea. I also think that the Universe can be modeled using linear equations based on Galilean principles. You might be interested to read my 2012 FQXi essay titled "A Classical Reconstruction of Relativity".

The creation of Matter by light passing close to atomic nuclei is known to occur - pair production - but this is due to the strong electric field around, for example, a lead nucleus. Likewise electrons and positrons can mutually anihilate to produce gamma rays (light). There is a balance between both these types of events.

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Thank you, can you please send me a copy of paper and more details of pair production ...

............your words..................

I think you have 'Red shifted' and 'Blue shifted' around the wrong way in you equations 32 and 33. A higher frequency would be a blue shift and a lower frequency would be a red shift.

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I noticed it. By mistake I sent older essay. FQXi puts older essay only.I put a corrected abstract, please see...

Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Jan. 2, 2018 @ 21:58 GMT

Best regards

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Hello Declan,

As I understand it your essay explores the boundary between classical and quantum via the concept of 'steering inequality'. Or is it that it explores non-locality via that concept, and that leads you to question whether there exists difference between quantum and classical at the foundational level?

in any case it seems like understanding both local and non-local entanglement more clearly could be helpful.

The boundary of a quantum system is defined by the phase coherence of its constituents. Every quantum system is 'self-entangled', phase coherent. Phase information is lost when the wavefunction collapses, when the little oscillator comes apart, leaving the observable amplitude in the form of a lump of energy. Phase is relative, not a single measurement observable.

As I understand it, this is the difference between quantum and classical. In quantum one inevitably perturbs the wavefunction one wishes to study, and observes not the wavefunction but rather the change one excites, that lump of energy. In classical there exists the independent observer. Perturb all you want, measure amplitude and phase measurements of the transfer function again and again, nobody will notice.

Quantum is classical without the independent observer.

So where sits nonlocality in this? A little known and understood fact is that the potentials involved in non-locality are inverse square, an 'anomalous' potential. These potentials cannot do work, cannot communicate information, but rather only quantum phase, not a single measurement observable. The resulting direction of motion is perpendicular to the applied force.

Those of us who think in terms of amplitude and phase and transfer function measurements can understand this in terms of impedance, that which governs the amplitude and phase of the flow of energy. Inverse square potentials correspond to scale invariant impedances - quantum Hall of the vector Lorentz force, chiral, centrifugal (as classical as one can get), Coriolis, three body,... Forces associated with invariant impedances cannot be shielded. Exception is the photon, which is unique in having both scale invariant far field and scale dependent near field impedances. Near field permits it to transfer energy, and far field permits it to maintain entanglement in for instance the entangled pair that emerges from electron-positron annihilation.

Once this is understood there is no problem with violating causality of special relativity, no information communicated instantaneously,...

So there

Declan - to be clear re entangled photons, the scale invariant far field impedance that connects them is what communicates the superposition. The phase of neither is defined until it is measured, and they share that single superposed/entangled wavefunction phase when entangled via the invariant impedance. The phase determines the angular momentum orientation generated by the flow of energy between E and B fields. When that phase is defined at the one via measurement it is no longer superposed, and it's partner wherever she may be likewise has relative phase of her fields defined to conserve angular momentum.

Dear Declan Andrew Traill

Just letting you know that I am making a start on reading of your essay, and hope that you might also take a glance over mine please? I look forward to the sharing of thoughtful opinion. Congratulations on your essay rating as it stands, and best of luck for the contest conclusion.

My essay is titled

"Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin". It stands as a novel test for whether a natural organisational principle can serve a rationale, for emergence of complex systems of physics and cosmology. I will be interested to have my effort judged on both the basis of prospect and of novelty.

Thank you & kind regards

Steven Andresen

Declan Traill:

Here is another support for your model:

(1) superluminal signal of waves in my plenum

(2) all interaction is Bell's non-local - matter warps plenum, plenum divergence directs matter (like in GR)

(3) therefore, quantum weirdness unnecessary, classical scale descriptions work.

photon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAjKk6k6-k

photon: http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1603

and

STOE assumptions that model particle diffraction and that replaces QM

IntellectualArchive, Vol.5, No. 3, P.1 , ISSN 1929-4700, Toronto, Jan. 2014

http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1719

Therefore, single photon at a time experiment explained, may also explain entanglement and quantum eraser.

My plenum is (like zero point energy or "space" in GR) is like your Theta field (higher density=>slower light speed from Shapiro delay observation).

Universe according to the STOE

IntellectualArchive, Vol.4, No. 6, P.6 , ISSN 1929-4700, Toronto, Jan. 2014

http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1648

"Even when presented with these experimental proofs, many people have

great difficulty believing that the effects actually occur." from your gsj paper

I'll be studing your papers on gsj.

Declan

Sorry, only saw your reply right now about the methodology of the experiment. With only 245 approved pairs there may have been a lot of 'excluded' singleton measurements. I was sceptical of how many exclusions there might have been in total if they only used 245 pairs. Their S statistic is, from memory, about 2.4 which is not equivalent to an exact cosine curve which would need 2.8. If the experiment is repeated for larger numbers I would like to see the ratio of excluded to included data and whether an improved S value required a larger ratio.

Good luck in the contest. I gave you a very good rating a week ago.

Austin

Dear Declan,

Very interesting essay in the spirit of a deep Cartesian doubt. You give new ideas and important conclusions that are aimed at overcoming the crisis of understanding in the basis of fundamental science. Successes in the Contest!

Yours faithfully,

Vladimir