Indeed Ulla, there are so many things we don't understand, even the members here are using the words "stuff", "things", etc... Scientists are so stuck to their implementations of insecure things that they won't accept fresh idea's...

Between black and white there are infinity shades of grey... That is why I hope that quantum computers will become nearer to what we call consciousness (next stage of evolution ?

Humanity is full of stress to get their stomachs filled...

As a matter of fact Phil is saying the same as I do, only he is more intelliget then I am because I cannot understand the Merlin language...I like mother earth but it has an illness : humanity....

best regards

Wilhelmus

In a BEC are solitons that create friction. Now finnish researchers suspect they are quasistates, more findamental states...

"What we suspect could be a source of the friction are quasi-particles trapped in the cores of the vortices. When the vortices accelerate, the particles gain kinetic energy which dissipates to surrounding particles and creates friction," explains Mäkinen.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-friction-nonein-superfluids-absolute.html#jCp

Dear Ulla.

In general, I really appreciated your thoughtful conceptional way of explanation about the fundamental of life. I Have some similar idea about this topic, but the complexity of different level of systems and our limited knowledge has been puzzling issue of the Nature's fundamental.

Perhaps, after reading carefully I will give comments.

Best wishes.

Bashir.

    It is exactly the complexity that is so wonderful, and can be explained like this, as also Schrödinger thought. But we shall not diminish the complexity to chromosomes alone, they are just a part of the whole, maybe not even the biggest part. The quasi-states as a dual frame solve it. Our World is both classical and quantum too.

    Ulla Mattfolk.

    Ulla,

    Fascinating stuff which was more so due to my interest in the subject. I certainly connected with most, indeed my essay last year more than touched on it; stacking structures etc. (I'm not sure you read it but I included a possible quantum interaction process for RNA mutation).

    I also discussed cognitive dissonance and loved your; "When we get some meaningful construct out of that information it is very difficult to reverse it. Unlearning is hard."

    and loved the Schrodinger quote; "The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences."

    Sorry I couldn't find anything to question, but learned a lot, and liked the terminology intro, very useful.

    Great stuff, and pretty fundamental. Pencilled in at 8. My own this year completes the underlying quantum interaction mechanism classically, seminally shocking to many - who'd have to 'unlearn' quite a lot!! I hope you'll read and like it.

    Very Best

    Peter

      Thanks Peter.

      No, I did not read your essay last year, must do it now.

      It was an awful lots of job behind this, sometimes I am a bit ?

      I would have wanted to explore more on the term 'complexity as fundamental principle' giving emergent properties...maybe even behind gauge symmetries - it must be Another time.

      Deformed symmetries are interesting. They form new 'stable' ones, protected, until again broken in an endless chain.

      I have also made a study of quantum interactions and measurements, but I became unsure what to Think about it, such a mess. I will read it, yes. Thanks

      Ulla Mattfolk.

      Dear Ulla Marianne Mattfolk

      Wonderful discussion on Life.... Life is indeed made of atoms, but are atoms the fundamental process of life? No, of course not...... What differ "living" atoms from ordinary ones? The answer is not in the matter itself, but what is the "tensions", "drive" or "life force". What may be the drive? We can see it as a process of limited "energy", expressed as number mitoses, quality of Life. We can see it as "negentropy" with entropy as opposite pole. Synergy maybe? We can see it as "work for free", differentiation through error correction, which we call "adaptation" of a stressed system................. Keep it up sir, continue your thinking.... by the way...

      Here in my essay energy to mass conversion is proposed................ yours is very nice essay best wishes .... I highly appreciate hope your essay and hope for reciprocity ....You may please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your some of the valuable & esteemed guidance

      Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :

      -No Isotropy

      -No Homogeneity

      -No Space-time continuum

      -Non-uniform density of matter, universe is lumpy

      -No singularities

      -No collisions between bodies

      -No blackholes

      -No warm holes

      -No Bigbang

      -No repulsion between distant Galaxies

      -Non-empty Universe

      -No imaginary or negative time axis

      -No imaginary X, Y, Z axes

      -No differential and Integral Equations mathematically

      -No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to GR on any condition

      -No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models

      -No many mini Bigbangs

      -No Missing Mass / Dark matter

      -No Dark energy

      -No Bigbang generated CMB detected

      -No Multi-verses

      Here:

      -Accelerating Expanding universe with 33% Blue shifted Galaxies

      -Newton's Gravitation law works everywhere in the same way

      -All bodies dynamically moving

      -All bodies move in dynamic Equilibrium

      -Closed universe model no light or bodies will go away from universe

      -Single Universe no baby universes

      -Time is linear as observed on earth, moving forward only

      -Independent x,y,z coordinate axes and Time axis no interdependencies between axes..

      -UGF (Universal Gravitational Force) calculated on every point-mass

      -Tensors (Linear) used for giving UNIQUE solutions for each time step

      -Uses everyday physics as achievable by engineering

      -21000 linear equations are used in an Excel sheet

      -Computerized calculations uses 16 decimal digit accuracy

      -Data mining and data warehousing techniques are used for data extraction from large amounts of data.

      - Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true....Have a look at

      http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/p/blog-page_15.html

      I request you to please have a look at my essay also, and give some of your esteemed criticism for your information........

      Dynamic Universe Model says that the energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation passing grazingly near any gravitating mass changes its in frequency and finally will convert into neutrinos (mass). We all know that there is no experiment or quest in this direction. Energy conversion happens from mass to energy with the famous E=mC2, the other side of this conversion was not thought off. This is a new fundamental prediction by Dynamic Universe Model, a foundational quest in the area of Astrophysics and Cosmology.

      In accordance with Dynamic Universe Model frequency shift happens on both the sides of spectrum when any electromagnetic radiation passes grazingly near gravitating mass. With this new verification, we will open a new frontier that will unlock a way for formation of the basis for continual Nucleosynthesis (continuous formation of elements) in our Universe. Amount of frequency shift will depend on relative velocity difference. All the papers of author can be downloaded from "http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/ "

      I request you to please post your reply in my essay also, so that I can get an intimation that you replied

      Best

      =snp

        Ulla, What were the simulations by Joseph (Kover?)? I like doing computer simulations myself and am always interested to hear what other people have tried.

        Ulla, Hi, its good to see you here.

        I think when Schrodinger wrote his book about life, many physicists thought he had gone mad, but now his ideas about information in biology are a hot topic. Very few people have the originality of thought to be able to jump so far ahead of the crowd. These ideas can only get more important as technology begins to impact on them.

        Thanks for a wondereful essay.

          Peter, I Think your vote did not arrive :)

          I try to find time to read your essay now. I do a work where stackings are important.

          Thanks Phil.

          I have some years ago looked at Schrödingers view on negentropy and it did not make sense. Negentropy in biology is something much more fantastic than just seen as opposite to entropy. I will certainly come back to this later.

          But now his aperiodic Crystals seems very up to date, but we shall not limit them to chromosomes. There are so much in biology that is asymmetric and chiral so it must be some bigger thought behind. It is like molecules in biology are skewed with new properties, so left and right forms have very different properties. In biology we talk of niches, it looks like a way to avoid competition...very much like information, or maybe raw 'consciousness'.

          Also the low energy limits are interesting. Like the symmetries were emergent, and here I Think biology can be a template for physicists. But this must be much more explored Before I can say much.

          Thanks. Don't forget to vote :) I need them...

          No good situation for me, maybe too much offending heading? I thought it was a good one...

          Ulla.

          I must add Susskinds new paper, he should read my eassy...

          He talks of - a fundamental law of quantum mechanics---the tendency for complexity to grow. - https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01198v1

          To understand GR we must understand QM, I have said some time now...

          There are a number of correspondences between quantum mechanics and gravity that are suggestive of a much deeper connection than we might have imagined several years ago [1]. ER=EPR is one [2], and the relation between the generic growth of quantum complexity and the expansion of space behind the horizons of black holes is another [3]. There are more that I will publish in a series of short notes. In this rst note I will point out a relation between ordinary gravitational attraction and the general properties of quantum chaos.

          Ye, stay alert on Susskind...

          I must add Susskinds new paper, he should read my eassy...

          He talks of - a fundamental law of quantum mechanics---the tendency for complexity to grow. - https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01198v1

          To understand GR we must understand QM, I have said some time now...

          There are a number of correspondences between quantum mechanics and gravity that are suggestive of a much deeper connection than we might have imagined several years ago [1]. ER=EPR is one [2], and the relation between the generic growth of quantum complexity and the expansion of space behind the horizons of black holes is another [3]. There are more that I will publish in a series of short notes. In this rst note I will point out a relation between ordinary gravitational attraction and the general properties of quantum chaos.

          Ye, stay alert on Susskind...

          5 days later

          Hello Ulla,

          Happy to see your essay,congratulations for your essay relavant about the life.

          Best Regards

            One add more.

            http://members.cbio.mines-paristech.fr/~jvert/svn/bibli/local/Bhalla1999Emergent.pdf

            it has become increasingly clear that signaling pathways interact with one another and the final biological response is shaped by interaction between pathways....

            In biological systems, signal transmission occurs mostly by two mechanisms:

            (i) protein-protein interactions and enzymatic reactions such as protein phosphorylation and dephosphorylation

            (ii) or protein degradation or production of intracellular messengers.

            Enzymes as 'almost living' substartes interest, also learning and memory functions.... I start thinking of AI... and 'lifting mechanisms'.

            The bifurcation point T is important because it defines threshold stimulation. Also type of feedback, 'learning' and 'memory', properties that emerge in the reactions etc.

            Science 283, 381 (1999);

            Upinder S. Bhalla and Ravi Iyengar

            Emergent Properties of Networks of Biological Signaling Pathways

            Thanks.

            What is 'negentropy' has been a headache of mine.

            Now I Think negentropy must be referred to quantum states and their information content as 'possibilities'. As instance in the ER=EPR analogy it is used, but not the Word negentropy, because it is a controversy yet.

            There pure states are defined by no difference in entropy, but it also contains the 'codes' for 'reality' and it gives a 'compactification' through the error correction, or state function reduction, as

            "the Ryu-Takayanagi formula and the negativity of tripartite information... p 19.

            For a general (mixed) tripartite quantum state, I_3 can take any real value. It is zero, though, for any tripartite pure state of ABC, since in that case SABC = 0 and e.g. regions A and BC, being complementary, have the same entropy and therefore make cancelling contributions to I_3."

            This means we have a pure quantum state. No thermodynamics? Or no difference between entropy - negentropy? We have a state with all possibilities, no state function reduction.

            Or said another way, no error correction yet. What cause the error correction here? It is the 3-surface of mixed states...

            Preskill et co.: "Thus, for a holographic state and for any partition of the boundary into four regions A;B;C;D; nonzero contributions to I_3(A;B;C) can arise only from the distilled multipartite states trapped in residual regions."

            Distilled = condensed, I think. What enters the eq.? Time? (that is also speed?)They think QG?

            Negativity is from the RT-formula, they say.

            "For holographic states and codes, the non-positivity of I_3 is not ensured in general, because of the potential (small) violations of the RT formula. In some special cases, though, RT holds exactly, and the non-positivity of I_3 then follows."

            the potential (small) violations of the RT formula - is the state function reduction, I Think.

            https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.06237.pdf

            http://tgdtheory.fi/public_html/articles/tensornet.pdf

            P. Hayden, M. Headrick, and A. Maloney, Holographic mutual information is

            monogamous, Phys. Rev. D 87 (2013) 046003.

            L. Susskind and E. Witten, The Holographic bound in anti-de Sitter space,

            hep-th/9805114.

            Ulla,

            Thanks for your post. I confirm I hadn't yet rated it, I've been reading & modulating, but no need to modulate your prov score so should help you.

            Shame you didn't understand parts of mine; Lets try a simple basis;

            If Alice and Bob get sent polar opposites but have a dial which can switch them independently, we don't need spooky action at a distance! (I'm sure you got the rest ok, just rotations on all 3 spherical axes, and Maxwell's TWO pairs of inverse Cos momentum distributions on a sphere surface - at any rad). Any better?

            Hang on tight, if Chandra Roychoudhuri can mass produce his coffins it seems we may be in for a major paradigm change in physics in just 3 or 4 eons!

            Very best.

            Peter

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              Thanks :)

              I have had your file open the whole day...as also some other Days...

              The sub-quantum' or root function is beginning to see light. It is the monopole as instance, as a bending loop, rotated. The most surprising (or not surprising at all?) is it is an solitonic expansive state. What cause the expansion? Maybe just the vanishing complexity? It must go into i-World, as I don't understand the 'annihilation' aspect at all...

              "the Higgs process or fermion pair production 'popping up' from nowhere' implies a smaller perhaps more fundamental 'sub quantum' scale of rotations as a 'sub-ether'. but we principally constrain ourselves to the testable realm and scale of condensed matter. This domain limit is also the lower end of electromagnetic (EM) coupling."

              This is what I talk of too. But the scenario you ask for is beyond this, and reversed actually, see the finnish scientist as instance the links here https://people.aalto.fi/index.html?profilepage=isfor#!vladimir.eltsov

              There is btw. very Little discussion about a non-Higgsian material emergence today.

              About motion I would suggest harmonic oscillation as one good candidate to explore in GR.

              https://www.google.fi/search?q=orbital+angular+momentum+Bloch+sphere&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw4Z7usLDZAhVJsKQKHQUTBSsQBQgkKAA&biw=1280&bih=855#

              On the vector model of angular momentum, Peter Saari, 2016 fig 2. you see if you have it on a Bloch sphere, you get Three rotations.... hope you can open it.

              The problem with Bob and Alice is the assupmption the entanglement is broken by gravity, but at the same time gravity cannot break it otherwise.... maybe an informational theoretic approach would be fine? The head/tail approach is like coin flipping and has Little information, you need something more complex, and I have thought a bit about the Three-states. Can they be entangled? They should?

              Also amplitude is an important factor, at least in the semiconductors. It can maybe give some flip-flopping?

              I see you have the same problem as me, too Little space, but we do as well as we can. Your text reminds me of someone, Mr S.

              Thanks, it would be interesting to talk more with you.

              Ulla Mattfolk.

              I put this also on your wall.