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Thanks :)

I have had your file open the whole day...as also some other Days...

The sub-quantum' or root function is beginning to see light. It is the monopole as instance, as a bending loop, rotated. The most surprising (or not surprising at all?) is it is an solitonic expansive state. What cause the expansion? Maybe just the vanishing complexity? It must go into i-World, as I don't understand the 'annihilation' aspect at all...

"the Higgs process or fermion pair production 'popping up' from nowhere' implies a smaller perhaps more fundamental 'sub quantum' scale of rotations as a 'sub-ether'. but we principally constrain ourselves to the testable realm and scale of condensed matter. This domain limit is also the lower end of electromagnetic (EM) coupling."

This is what I talk of too. But the scenario you ask for is beyond this, and reversed actually, see the finnish scientist as instance the links here https://people.aalto.fi/index.html?profilepage=isfor#!vladimir.eltsov

There is btw. very Little discussion about a non-Higgsian material emergence today.

About motion I would suggest harmonic oscillation as one good candidate to explore in GR.

https://www.google.fi/search?q=orbital+angular+momentum+Bloch+sphere&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw4Z7usLDZAhVJsKQKHQUTBSsQBQgkKAA&biw=1280&bih=855#

On the vector model of angular momentum, Peter Saari, 2016 fig 2. you see if you have it on a Bloch sphere, you get Three rotations.... hope you can open it.

The problem with Bob and Alice is the assupmption the entanglement is broken by gravity, but at the same time gravity cannot break it otherwise.... maybe an informational theoretic approach would be fine? The head/tail approach is like coin flipping and has Little information, you need something more complex, and I have thought a bit about the Three-states. Can they be entangled? They should?

Also amplitude is an important factor, at least in the semiconductors. It can maybe give some flip-flopping?

I see you have the same problem as me, too Little space, but we do as well as we can. Your text reminds me of someone, Mr S.

Thanks, it would be interesting to talk more with you.

Ulla Mattfolk.

I put this also on your wall.

Ulla,

Thanks -(copied from mine)

Not found Sari yet, but others, and also the 'Poincare Sphere' "complex superposition of two orthogonal polarisation states". So there all along!

https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1107006341

Did you see my last years finalist essay? The two figs explain it simply.

(PLUS the cognative dissonance most accredited physicis can't seem to overcome so halting any advancement!, and do look at & comment on my feedback loop/ quantum switch cognition derivation.)

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2755

very best

Peter

ps RNA mutation also seems to emerge - in that 2017 essay.

Ulla has presented a large topic in a small space, showing that conventional science is incomplete concerning life and conscious thought, while giving some possibilities about what the missing parts might contain. The essay shows originality and a the results of a long study on the leading edge of small scale physics and biology as they interact together.

    In terminology non-commuting characters usually means there is no way to measure or specify all of the properties at the same time.

      Thanks Jerry.

      It was truly a mare to get it compressed so much, every possible extra Word is removed.

      I wanted to show on a possible way out of the 'conciousness-dilemma', and now I also have began to understand the state function reduction in a new way, which is good. The measurement problem and uncertainty is a mess today.

      Once I used to be a very mainstream biologist. I am also very Visual, need Concrete frames, to stand on Earth.

      Thanks Jerry for all discussions.

      Ulla.

      Thanks again.

      Ye, the non-commuting charachters are very important. Gödel is often referred to in this relation. It also shows on the problems we have with math.

      If we Think of Life it is maybe one reason why it has been thought to be an 'epiphenomena'. It is so hard to define, and the common criterias are far from enough. What is mind? How can we interact? How can we make progressive thoughts, meditate, get 'enlighted'? Maybe we have strings into universe as the schamans thought, and we are their endpoints? We cannot know. But the thought is there, as we have so hard to make conscious Machines, emotional Machines. What is consciousness really? It is evident it is not only an information processing, but it need 'jumps' in different frames, and recognition of the frames.

      As instance now I research the triqubit state, the entanglement into a tripartite frame. It must contain so much more information than a simple dual entanglement. Also the question about complexity as a quantum charachter is intesresting, as a 'negentropic' frame.

      Ulla.

      Dear Marianne Ulla Mattfolk, out of your very busy reasoning essay I have chosen to discuss the following phrase:

      The space is still big, but smaller and moresystematized. Statistics is information. We are forced to appeal to statistical methods..... Think of space and time as separate axes...... Many matter properties come only by stacking...

      I here urge researchers to remember the principle of identity of space and matter Descartes and developed further his theory in the light of modern achievements in physics. According to Descartes matter is space and space is matter that moves. We are part of the space, which for Descartes is a matter. No more dualism between matter and space, between mind and body. Consciousness arises when a body appears the ability to create in space the image of the external world and to remember him for discernment and judgment. In the center of this image of the external world is the body that created it and which is actively positioning itself to prolong its existence.

      Space contains instructions on how it should move and create a real world. Time is a synonym for universal movement. The properties of the space depend on the packaging of its moving parts.

      Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes. I hope you will not leave without attention to this principle and, as a physicist well appreciate New Cartesian Physics for his radicalism

      Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

        Dear Ulla,

        I highly appreciate your well-written essay in an effort to understand.

        I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.

        Vladimir Fedorov

        https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

          Dear Ulla

          If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don't rate them at all. Infact I haven't issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to gain.

          Beyond my essay's introduction, I place a microscope on the subjects of universal complexity and natural forces. I do so within context that clock operation is driven by Quantum Mechanical forces (atomic and photonic), while clocks also serve measure of General Relativity's effects (spacetime, time dilation). In this respect clocks can be said to possess a split personality, giving them the distinction that they are simultaneously a study in QM, while GR is a study of clocks. The situation stands whereby we have two fundamental theories of the world, but just one world. And we have a singular device which serves study of both those fundamental theories. Two fundamental theories, but one device? Please join me and my essay in questioning this circumstance?

          My essay goes on to identify natural forces in their universal roles, how they motivate the building of and maintaining complex universal structures and processes. When we look at how star fusion processes sit within a "narrow range of sensitivity" that stars are neither led to explode nor collapse under gravity. We think how lucky we are that the universe is just so. We can also count our lucky stars that the fusion process that marks the birth of a star, also leads to an eruption of photons from its surface. And again, how lucky we are! for if they didn't then gas accumulation wouldn't be halted and the star would again be led to collapse.

          Could a natural organisation principle have been responsible for fine tuning universal systems? Faced with how lucky we appear to have been, shouldn't we consider this possibility?

          For our luck surely didnt run out there, for these photons stream down on earth, liquifying oceans which drive geochemical processes that we "life" are reliant upon. The Earth is made up of elements that possess the chemical potentials that life is entirely dependent upon. Those chemical potentials are not expressed in the absence of water solvency. So again, how amazingly fortunate we are that these chemical potentials exist in the first instance, and additionally within an environment of abundant water solvency such as Earth, able to express these potentials.

          My essay is attempt of something audacious. It questions the fundamental nature of the interaction between space and matter Guv = Tuv, and hypothesizes the equality between space curvature and atomic forces is due to common process. Space gives up a potential in exchange for atomic forces in a conversion process, which drives atomic activity. And furthermore, that Baryons only exist because this energy potential of space exists and is available for exploitation. Baryon characteristics and behaviours, complexity of structure and process might then be explained in terms of being evolved and optimised for this purpose and existence. Removing need for so many layers of extraordinary luck to eventuate our own existence. It attempts an interpretation of the above mentioned stellar processes within these terms, but also extends much further. It shines a light on molecular structure that binds matter together, as potentially being an evolved agency that enhances rigidity and therefor persistence of universal system. We then turn a questioning mind towards Earths unlikely geochemical processes, (for which we living things owe so much) and look at its central theme and propensity for molecular rock forming processes. The existence of chemical potentials and their diverse range of molecular bond formation activities? The abundance of water solvent on Earth, for which many geochemical rock forming processes could not be expressed without? The question of a watery Earth? is then implicated as being part of an evolved system that arose for purpose and reason, alongside the same reason and purpose that molecular bonds and chemistry processes arose.

          By identifying atomic forces as having their origin in space, we have identified how they perpetually act, and deliver work products. Forces drive clocks and clock activity is shown by GR to dilate. My essay details the principle of force dilation and applies it to a universal mystery. My essay raises the possibility, that nature in possession of a natural energy potential, will spontaneously generate a circumstance of Darwinian emergence. It did so on Earth, and perhaps it did so within a wider scope. We learnt how biology generates intricate structure and complexity, and now we learn how it might explain for intricate structure and complexity within universal physical systems.

          To steal a phrase from my essay "A world product of evolved optimization".

          Best of luck for the conclusion of the contest

          Kind regards

          Steven Andresen

          Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin

            Thanks.

            "It questions the fundamental nature of the interaction between space and matter Guv = Tuv" - a very good Query, indeed. Why is gravitation seen as symmetric, invariant and 'collapsed' when it maybe is a false grasp to do so? It is maybe only one side of things? Matrices are also a quantum approach. It will be interesting to read your essay. Many thanks.

            Ulla.

            Thanks,

            You go very long back in time, indeed.... Why?

            I have read quite much philosophy, and old thinkers were very good thinkers, indeed, but to cast out so much sounds odd... Must read it, thanks.

            Ulla.

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            Hi Ulla,

            Your essay is to THE point: -Is Life fundamental or "emergent"-?

            To answer your question: "Am I too bold to give it a try?" In my opinion: Low aim is a crime! Also in my opinion: This is the most ambitious essay in the contest. And I rate it very highly.

            1. life in terms of mathematics? ...not a chance, it is toothless! My analysis: Life is a whole, mathematics needs parts.

            2. You say "A property cannot be diminished to fundamental bits". I believe you mean to say: qualia (the quality redness) cannot be put in terms of information. I could be wrong here ...?

            3. TGD: OK I give up! It is probably not: Teenage Girl Dramatization? (I got that from the web)

            4. "The ability to measure, so environment "pay" the entropic cost of the measurement, for some time, is one fundamental of Life. If anything, Life speed up the entropy in universe." I take this to mean: Life and the universe are in cahoots.

            But what I liked the most: "Life is experienced as an entity. We ask where is "consciousness", with no answer - not even from our brains, if we look to our experience. Mysterious I is also the Selfie - no answer. This is the subjective I. It cannot be localized, but it can be changed. And even if the flesh is reduced, it saves its character, until it cannot be more reduced, then Life vanish. LIFE MUST BE FUNDAMENTAL, like the experience itself?"

            Question: Have you any opinions on why Roger Penrose (my hero) is locked onto micro-tubules as the source of consciousness ?

            Yours was a tough read. Way to much information for a non biology person.

            And yet I appreciate it very much.

            Don Limuti

            PS: Do take a look at my (simple, and easy) essay :)

              Hi, Don Limuti.

              Thanks for the vote.

              I wanted to more dwell on the fundamentality, but considered this text as more valueable, as an intro into the problem. Yes, it is dense, but I could not remove more, sorry. It is very scaled-off in this form.

              The problem with math is its uncriticality, I Think. Its Possibilities. Life is very critical and 'On the Edge', finetuned.

              "A property cannot be diminished to fundamental bits". - This is from bandcharachters and chirality. As the bands change also the properties change, and we get complexity, variability. One chiral form of a molecule does not have the same properties as its antagonist. This also highlights the meaning of information, actually, and I did not Think of qualia here.

              TGD is Topological Geometro Dynamics, theory of Matti Pitkänen.

              Life is generally seen as opposed to ordinary matter, and I Think this view is wrong. If I would say anything, it looks more like Life has found some criticality, like an own niche (complexity of carbon-chains and mainly H, O N, P-interactions, in the molecular World and is parallell to ordinary matter. In Universe the entropy grows and Life help it to grow.

              Question: Have you any opinions on why Roger Penrose (my hero) is locked onto micro-tubules as the source of consciousness ?

              It was Stuart Hameroff who took contact with Penrose, Hameroff thought that the microtubulis would fit very well as localization for consciousness. Microtubulis are everywhere, in every cell, so why not?

              Penrose showed how gravitation might give the state function reduction, and he related it to Equivalence theory in a good manner. The main objection is that gravitation is too weak, it is a controversial theory. But it is an interesting one.

              My next work is actually an interpretation of mitosis simulation, with microtubulis, on physical basis. It seems it is a good approach, yes. But maybe Life has not just ONE way to consciousness? In all other aspects it has a multiparite approach, so why not with consciousness?

              Penrose is also my 'hero' :)

              See my essay last year, The www of Life.

              Many smiles...

              Ulla Mattfolk

              Thanks.

              Seemed my answer wass 'eaten' by the net. I try again.

              toroidal gravitational waves is an interesting note. "Orbital bodies are in potential pits of stability of toroidal gravitational waves of de Broglie" - What is stability is a fundamental question too. Stability is only found within limits, and I would say it is symmetry protected states. Gravity as the weakest force is also the most longrange one, and in that way the most powerful. It is continous, but also chaotic, give rise to fractals, hence it has forms, often interpreted as Lie Groups etc.

              Toroidal forces can also be other than gravitational. They Point to asymmetry, I Think.

              The question of a varying G has some evidence. Also g varies on our Earth. The interesting question is what happens in the vacuum, or at its boundary, and what forms our space time.

              I have sometimes thought Newtonian gravity might be a quantum version :) Who knows?

              Ulla Mattfolk.

              Ulla,

              Thanks for a detailed and enlightening reply. Matti Pitkänen ... interesting... consciousness comes in quanta, forget about multi-worlds. Did I get that right?

              I found your many FQXi.org essays (where was I?...unconscious). I am beginning to love deep biology!

              Best of luck in your new project,

              Don Limuti

              Hi Ulla

              Thank you for dropping by my page and considering reading of my essay. I will certainly read yours.

              Yes, the equality between Guv and Tuv is something interesting to reflect upon. Physical interactions are usually energy conversions, from one type to another. It is interesting to ask the question, which is cause and which follows as an effect? between Guv and Tuv.

              I think Clocks are relevant in terms of the forces that drive their function. Force drives clocks, therefore clocks measure force. My essay explains the details

              Talk soon

              Steve

                Ulla

                you present a deep analysis on life and how physical processes of the world relate to life's processes, and life's processes to physics. You are inventive of new terms and description and originality is something I rate highly. There is so much content and information within your essay, I'm going to have to come back and read it again. I will do so when I return from a well deserved surfing holiday. The essay contest is about to be concluded, and so its time for me to break away.

                I give you a ten and hope to talk with you more in the days that follow the contest. Very well done, ten from me.

                I hope you judge original concept as highly as I do :)

                Steve

                Dear Ulla,

                (copy to yours and mine)

                Your essay and comments allowed to consider us like-minded people.

                Like me, you think about very interesting questions «The interesting question is what happens in the vacuum, or at its boundary, and what forms our space + time».

                In my essay it is shown that all the force interactions of the elements of matter are carried out at resonance frequencies of toroidal gravitational waves. In the universe, there is a general grid of resonant frequencies of limiting elements (such as an electron), which synchronizes all quantum parametric processes), so time is a derivative of the period of synchronous resonance frequencies and cannot be distorted.

                It is known that on the surface of the flat bodies there is Casimir effect, which, as I explain, is associated with the presence of turbulent gravitational shell and large gradient of the gravitational potential.

                The bodies are attracted to each other on the Earth because there is a turbulent gravitational shell near the surface of the Earth.

                I wish you happiness in your scientific work in search of truth.

                Vladimir Fedorov

                https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

                  I would be happy to talk.

                  Someone gave me a low vote last night, so I dropped much. This is a bad game.

                  Ulla.

                  Thanks,

                  Thoroidal force give very interesting results in simulations. It also leads to the wobbling of spheres or wavefunctions. The state function reduction change it.

                  Thanks again, Ulla.