• FQXi Essay Contest - Spring, 2017
  • Space and Time, Geometry and Fields: An Historical Essay on the Fundamental and its Physical Manifestation by Michaele Suisse and Peter Cameron

Peter,

I completely lack the formal education in physics and electrical engineering to do more that intuit your essay. That said, I do sense some essential agreement with one of my more elementary observations; That energy and form(as in everything from math to mass) are opposite sides of the same coin. Energy as medium and form as message. such that while there is not platonic realm of information/math, any dynamic is going to manifest form.

As I've observed elsewhere, the basic premise of geometry as dimensionless form is self negating, as it is a multiple of zero. A dimensionless point is no more extant than a dimensionless apple, but insisting on some infinitesimal dimensionality creates more conceptual problems, so, as pure abstraction, it is more efficient to make it dimensionless. As such, though, it becomes message without a medium. Sort of like taking a picture with the shutter speed set at zero.

So while our minds work best with abstraction, some of what is distilled away is still essential.

On a personal note, thank you very much for your seeing some sense in my observations about cosmology and time, as about 90% of the responses I get from people with strong math background is vehement rejection and insistence I make no sense, so having a few who do see the logic stands as proof some of these ideas are not total gibberish. As i said, I originally came at physics from an amateur sociological perspective; The physics of politics, so to speak, but found quite a lot of politics of physics.

If any of these ideas are useful, feel free with them. As most of my input is open source, my output might as well be also. The world seems headed for a significant reset anyway and hopefully it will have some benefits to go along with the likely negative effects.

Regards,

John

    http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/5763

    My essay is a call for researchers to remember the identity of space and matter of Descartes, and to continue his theory of everything in the light of modern achievements of physics.

    I think of wave function as on the oscillations and rotations of physical space, which for Descartes is matter.Rate The Descartes

    Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris

    Hi all, Edwin, this work does not reach this quantum gravitation unfortunatelly, it is that said a wonderful works about the works of Hestenes and the algebric structures in QFT , that is all.That said I liked its generality and the understanding of groups of forces.This QG cannot be found in this line of reasoning , it is the same with the lie algebras, it lacks several parameters.I don't undertand why peôple tries to find it with an electromagntic fractalisation without inserting new parameters like this matter not baryo,nic for example.

    Best Regards

    Steve,

    Please look a little deeper into the quantum gravity aspect of the approach we present. It is not dependent on geometric Clifford algebra, but rather preceeded our knowledge of the geometric interpretation.

    The first paper is titled "Background Independent Realtions between Gravity and Electromagnetism" and may be found

    [link:vixra.org/abs/1211.0052]here/link]. Nothing about GA there.

    It was vetted by Optical Society of America, the world organizers of the quantum optics/information community, in the referee process that preceeded presentation of "A Possible Resolution of the Black Hole Information Paradox" at the 2013 Rochester Conference on Quantum Optics, Information, and Measurements. link [link:www.osapublishing.org/abstract.cfm?URI=QIM-2013-W6.01]here/link]. Nothing about GA there. Just good basic foundational physics.

    Hi Peter and Michaela,

    Great review of geometric algebra in here!

    I was a little curious about your claim that phase cannot be given by a single measurement on account of its being relative. Can you not get phase information in a single measurement? It is of course true that you need to measure the relative phase of two things (so it is not absolute), but is it not a single measurement nonetheless: phase difference?

    Best

    Dean

      Dear Michaele Suisse and Peter Cameron!

      Descartes wanted to do physics as geometry. The physical space according to Descartes is a matter which rotates and oscillates as a wave. I'm sorry that you didn't see my essay the wave function. It there divides into two subfunctions, one of which contains the angular momentum of rotation, and the other energy fluctuations. The ratio of the modules of these functions are included in the factor of Lorentz. Thus, shows the relationship of the theory of relativity with quantum mechanics. Visit my page and leave a rating. FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich

      Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.

      Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

        Hello Mr Cameron, Thanks for sharing this work on vixra,

        I liked your planck virtual particle, but I am insisting on the fact that we must consider this quantum weakest force in a different logic than our electromagntic force, we see easily that with all the works trying to find it , we have not found it this frce at 10exp-67newton, we have problems with all the methods utilised, I am suggesting simply to insert this matter not baryonic, this DM, I don't understand why all searchers try to find this force in fractalising our electromagntic forces, we have problems of equivalances.This DM in logic can answer and I don't understand why so many scientists forget this matter ? The standard model seems encircled by this gravitation, the photons are just like a fuel if I can say.It is odd.If it was the case that this force is an emergent electromagntic force or a fractalisation of this electromagntism, so it d be accepted by the sciences community and recognised, since that I see all these works trying to reach it, we have not had a correct explaination, just because I beleive humbly this DM is forgotten simply.Now I respect your works and I liked your papper on vixra and essay.But this QG is not found simply.But it is a wonderful attempt , general and relevant to read .

        Best Regards

        Hello Steve,

        Thanks for looking. i don't see an essay by you in the contest. Where can one look to understand your views a little more clearly?

        What i understand you to be saying is that while you agree that the ratio of gravitational to electromagnetic forces between the Compton and Planck lengths is unity, you don't find this meaningful. Is that correct?

        Best regards,

        Pete

        John,

        sociology of physics is an ever-deepening education. At this point i know more than i want to. and am still an innocent child by so many yardsticks. what a weird world this is becoming.

        there are as many ways to understand things as there are sentient beings. how one strings the moments together makes sense to some and not to others. one woman's math is another man's poetry. our best rationalizations only serve to let us go with what we feel.

        Pete

        Dean,

        Glad you like the review. Are you familiar with the algebra?

        re unobservability of phase, particles are little oscillators. When you dephase them, break them apart, you get a lump of energy. incoherent. The coherent phase information of the coupled modes that comprised the oscillator is gone.

        this is what gauge invariance is about. One's model has to permit local phase shifts (so unfortunate that weyl's 1918 paper ended up with the word gauge in place of phase) without changing the physics. For this to be true phase cannot be a single measurement observable.

        one might consider the phase difference to be a measure of how precisely one can define simultaniety. Need two things for them to be simultaneous. How does one make just one measurement of two things when those to thing are at separate locations?

        this is basis of special relativity. Need three things to get special relativity. The two objects plus the observer. Lorentz transform is just trigonometry, Pythagoreus.

        quantum logic at foundational level is just two things, two interacting wavefunctions. To assume logic beyond that is epistemologically incorrect imo. Phase is not a single measurement observable.

        Peter,

        Looked at Watson and Trail, didn't find much i could relate to.

        Liked the appearance of your interferometer experiment. You have access to hardware?

        This article discusses an interesting time symmetry experiment in the nested Mach-Zender interferometer

        https://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/133

        If you look at my author page on vixra, you will see a delayed-choice variant on this experiment. Any thoughts on how to get it done?

        Pete

        Hello Mr Cameron,

        You are welcome.No I have not made this contest, I have serious problems in Belgium and my mind is not focus and also my English is not good.I will publish several white pappers this year in logic about my equation, the spherisation and quant and cosm sphères, about DM, the quantum gravitationa also, this and that,about also the spherical geoemtrical algebras that I have invented but I must admit it is not easy to formalise all these spherical volumes and their motions with the vectors and scalars, I study and read the book of Hestenes and it is not easy , I try to respect our mathematical laws but I am not a mathematician and I am obliged to study things that I don't know.Not easy is even a weak word lol , Hestenes is so relevant and his book is so difficult to understand.

        About the ratio, I have never said this but I lmike your generality and the fact to try finding this QG.I liked your papper Mr Cameron you know, but I see differently simply about this QG.I am wishing you all the best in this contest,

        Dear Michaele Suisse and Peter Cameron,

        My less formal comments, including a couple of strategy suggestions, are provided in reply to under your kind comments on my essay. Here I want to be a bit more formal and put on my technical editor hat, because I think your ideas are not getting as much traction as you would like in part because of your paper writing style.

        The biggest problem is pretty simple: In your frustration to get your message across, you are trying to jam far too much content at every level -- into your papers, tables, figures, charts, pretty much whatever. Or to put it another way, you are doing something that is very common in bad government technical presentations, which is that when someone tells you "use fewer slides!", you do it by shrinking the fonts until no one can read them from the front of the room, let alone from the back. I should note some exceptions: Most of your flow diagrams, such as Figure 2, are actually quite good. Figure 3 on bivectors and trivectors is also pretty good, since it translates the definitions into nicely understandable figures.

        I've scanned about half your papers at viXra.org -- please take that as a genuine complement -- and in one case you have a "one slide is best" presentation that is, um... 57 pages long? With one slide marked as the "one slide"? Even that one slide used small fonts packed densely, since you tried to get some kind of reference to all of your ideas into it that were then explained on all the other pages.

        You are not getting it.

        A good one-slider is visually simple, with a small number of lines, not much text, and an absolute minimum of novel words, preferably none at all. The one and only thing that should be novel about it is the collectively the content of that one slide should clearly capture some completely novel concept that will make your audience go "say what??" and "I never thought of it that way!" Both your impedance idea and your geometry idea are examples of concepts that might work very well for such slides, and I do think you tried to do just that. But in what you have, there is just too much noise, by which I mean too many math or and visual terms that are not really needed to make your point.

        A gorgeous example of what not to do is Figure 4, with the only quickly comprehensible bit of text in the entire figure being the word "proton" in a box in the middle... and of course even that is baffling, because most readers (like me) came to the figure kind expecting it to be about fundamental fermions, which of course the three-quark proton is not. You do not even define that the zoo of letters and subscripts means! Your explanation under the figure instead seems to toss in every concept you can think of, including the unexpected remark that the top row is the electron and the left column is the positron... which was not the kind of orthogonal geometry one would immediately expect for a particle and its antiparticle, unless I am missing something obvious about a flip on the main diagonal? Since this is... sort of?... a matrix? Argh!

        Tossing that kind of confusion into a figure that is supposed to explain some critical concept is even more risky for you that for most paper writers, because you are explicitly attempting to introduce ideas for which most readers will not have any prior familiarity.

        Do you understand why that is risky?

        As an editor, one of the biggest warning signs to me of an accidentally (or intentionally) bogus paper is that it always introduces a huge amount of impressive-looking noise--misuses or undefined terms and equations-- that ultimately don't fit together at all, but do leave most readers so exhausted that they give up.

        If the author is famous and the review gets too exhausting from trying to look up and make sense of all of the noise terms, most reviewers abandon giving it a careful review and just rubber-stamp "OK!" on the paper... which they should not do, by the way!

        If the author is not famous, they conversely automatically stamp "FAILED!" on the paper and toss it into file 13, mostly because they have no reason to trust the author and no desire to get called out later for passing what could be total nonsense. But at least this is what they should do in such cases, since if the authors have made the paper too difficult to comprehend, that's on them, not the reviewer.

        Now, since you tend to write dense papers full of undefined terms, you have to ask yourself: Which of those two I-give-up review categories to you think most or all of your papers will fall into? (Bummer about your name being so similar to a famous mathematician, Peter. That just makes matters worse, ouch.)

        And that brings us to my assessment.

        Peter, Michaele, even though I think your ideas and papers are some of the best developed and most conceptually intriguing ideas I've seen, and even though I am very familiar with some parts of your turf where my own research and idea overlap, I can't tell based on your figures whether your really know what you are saying, or you are just blowing a lot of smoke our to make what you have look more impressive than it is. Figure 4 is a good example. That may be the most brilliant chart ever devised for explaining the Standard Model... but if it is, wow, you fulled me. I can't even figure out how it relates to standard particles, even to the only comprehensible label, which is the word "proton" in the middle.

        So I find myself in the ironic position that while I really do like the descriptions you give of some of your ideas, such as in particular the impedance idea, your papers and this essay give me no easily defensible reason for thinking that you have worked those ideas out in detail. And I just don't have the time or inclination to spend hours or days trying to figure out the answer to that question on my own.

        So, good luck in any case. I likely will come back for some more reading of your papers, if nothing else just to see if me initially positive impression was justified or a case of me fooling myself into believing there was more there than there really is.

        And by the way, a secondary issue, one that is shared by I dunno, maybe over half of the essays this year?, is that you didn't really answer this year's FQXi question, which was how to tell if something is fundamental.

        I realize by now (this is my first year, and despite many good interactions I am still ambivalent about having submitted my work here) that there exists at FQXi a lively history of the same people participating year after year just to share the latest iterations of their personal physics theories (or anti-theories in some case) via the FQXi community. So each year they (many of you who are reading this!) largely ignore the real question. They (you) instead write up a snippet of intro text that "explains" why the next iteration of their (your) idea falls under the new question, whether it dos or not. It's a tradition, sure... but it also is not really what FQXi is asking for, either.

        Cheers,

        Terry

        Fundamental as Fewer Bits by Terry Bollinger (Essay 3099)

        Essayist's Rating Pledge by Terry Bollinger

        Dear Terry,

        Pretty cool to start the day with comments such as yours. Thanks for screwing up my schedule.

        you nailed it with the frustration thing. Quick summary

        - arxiv won't let us post

        - can't get past the editors at most journals

        - those editors who do send papers out can't find referees

        - in seven years since foundation of present work synthesized itself, we've not been successful in securing even one opportunity to speak, to present our ideas in a logical coherent sequence.

        so yes we are frustrated. and this drives the attempts to present enough information to make each paper a coherent whole, the information overload. Aware of it and hate it, Michaele and I have been arguing about it. She wants me to make the next little note two pages long, and I put my foot down at one. Posted on vixra now, perhaps you've seen it. We've focused on what is probably single largest problem with SM, the infinities and renormalization.

        please, if you would, give us a critique? How can we improve it? Identify the tripping/tipping points? else?

        taking a risk here, as a non-expert presuming to summarize a Buddhist perspective on the arising of consciousness, a five step model proposes:

        0. form - internal or external, presents itself to

        1. emotional tone - where it excites some pre-existing balance between sympathetic (fight or flight) and parasympathetic (relaxation) branches of autonomic nervous system

        2. perception - preconscious perspective integrates and encounters

        3. volitional formations - the residue of previous iterations of this feedback loop/network, most often deeply entrenched, which filters all but that which reaches

        4. consciousness

        Michaele and I have gone again and again thru this, where/why/how the tripping point emerge and the tipping points get lost.

        obvious is that bringing those two lost threads of geometric wavefunction and impedance quantization to the surface gives a new perspective that appears to be well-integrated, and of course it is not the answer any of the searching communities are invested in. Those in privileged positions of comfort and esteem really don't want to see the Higgs as an incredibly short-lived magnetic resonance,...

        lol re the 57 page 'one slide'. funny, i remember it as being longer, eighty something. Wonder what's missing from the one you see. gotta fix that.

        re figure 4, well, yeah, i know. Point well taken. If i ever have to regurgitate this stuff again, now see a way to fix that. thank you for the attention to it.

        again re fig 4, conceptually you seem to be following it pretty well. phases rotate in opposite directions for electron and positron shown at top and left. Or one could have them rotate in same direction if wanting to model that. For vacuum wavefunction i think they should rotate opposite.

        presuming one knows how to do so, when one excites that vacuum wavefunction first things that appear are lightest rest mass particles, pair production. In approach we present, as a consequence of the dynamics that emerge if one increases excitation energy, higher order resonances appear. Muon is first, according to MacGregor is 'platform state' for all the rest. That seems to work for the proton spin structure paper we presented to SPIN16.

        and that paper was based on the modes highlighted in green in fig 4. It seems to be all of one piece, surprisingly so, everywhere we look. So yes it is a matrix, apparently the long-sought particle physicist's S-matrix.

        lol, scrolling down thru your comments to the only comprehensible word, 'proton' in the middle. indeed we are blowing a lot of smoke here, with great delight.

        agree re we are all selling our schtick in the present forum. For those of us with no other access it is a precious resource.

          coming back again to fig. 4, your comment

          "I can't even figure out how it relates to standard particles,..."

          caption has the phrase

          "Modes indicated by symbols (triangle, square, dot, diamond) have their impedances plotted in figure 8, opening new windows on the unstable particle spectrum."

          Conclusion from figure 8 could be that production and decay of the remainder of massive particle spectrum is governed by the impedance structure of the most easily excited massive particle, by the excitation of the full eight-component geometric electromagnetic Pauli wavefunction of the particle we call the electron.

          Figure 4 is impedance representation of the scattering matrix. Figure 8 shows how a portion of the resulting network is related to the unstable particle spectrum.

          pdf of early calculations is available on the cloud

          https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_pzihZZV6IfckpQTVFRQzRtMm8/view?ts=5a182f53

          Dear Michaele and Peter,

          I highly appreciate your well-written essay in an effort to understand «andpresent details of the new perspective»

          It is so close to me. «Of itself the geometry and its algebra are abstractions. It is only with the possibility of excitation by physical fields that the concept of geometric vacuum wavefunction becomes useful».

          I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.

          Vladimir Fedorov

          https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

          Dear Michaele, Peter

          If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don't rate them at all. Infact I haven't issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to gain.

          Beyond my essay's introduction, I place a microscope on the subjects of universal complexity and natural forces. I do so within context that clock operation is driven by Quantum Mechanical forces (atomic and photonic), while clocks also serve measure of General Relativity's effects (spacetime, time dilation). In this respect clocks can be said to possess a split personality, giving them the distinction that they are simultaneously a study in QM, while GR is a study of clocks. The situation stands whereby we have two fundamental theories of the world, but just one world. And we have a singular device which serves study of both those fundamental theories. Two fundamental theories, but one device? Please join me and my essay in questioning this circumstance?

          My essay goes on to identify natural forces in their universal roles, how they motivate the building of and maintaining complex universal structures and processes. When we look at how star fusion processes sit within a "narrow range of sensitivity" that stars are neither led to explode nor collapse under gravity. We think how lucky we are that the universe is just so. We can also count our lucky stars that the fusion process that marks the birth of a star, also leads to an eruption of photons from its surface. And again, how lucky we are! for if they didn't then gas accumulation wouldn't be halted and the star would again be led to collapse.

          Could a natural organisation principle have been responsible for fine tuning universal systems? Faced with how lucky we appear to have been, shouldn't we consider this possibility?

          For our luck surely didnt run out there, for these photons stream down on earth, liquifying oceans which drive geochemical processes that we "life" are reliant upon. The Earth is made up of elements that possess the chemical potentials that life is entirely dependent upon. Those chemical potentials are not expressed in the absence of water solvency. So again, how amazingly fortunate we are that these chemical potentials exist in the first instance, and additionally within an environment of abundant water solvency such as Earth, able to express these potentials.

          My essay is attempt of something audacious. It questions the fundamental nature of the interaction between space and matter Guv = Tuv, and hypothesizes the equality between space curvature and atomic forces is due to common process. Space gives up a potential in exchange for atomic forces in a conversion process, which drives atomic activity. And furthermore, that Baryons only exist because this energy potential of space exists and is available for exploitation. Baryon characteristics and behaviours, complexity of structure and process might then be explained in terms of being evolved and optimised for this purpose and existence. Removing need for so many layers of extraordinary luck to eventuate our own existence. It attempts an interpretation of the above mentioned stellar processes within these terms, but also extends much further. It shines a light on molecular structure that binds matter together, as potentially being an evolved agency that enhances rigidity and therefor persistence of universal system. We then turn a questioning mind towards Earths unlikely geochemical processes, (for which we living things owe so much) and look at its central theme and propensity for molecular rock forming processes. The existence of chemical potentials and their diverse range of molecular bond formation activities? The abundance of water solvent on Earth, for which many geochemical rock forming processes could not be expressed without? The question of a watery Earth? is then implicated as being part of an evolved system that arose for purpose and reason, alongside the same reason and purpose that molecular bonds and chemistry processes arose.

          By identifying atomic forces as having their origin in space, we have identified how they perpetually act, and deliver work products. Forces drive clocks and clock activity is shown by GR to dilate. My essay details the principle of force dilation and applies it to a universal mystery. My essay raises the possibility, that nature in possession of a natural energy potential, will spontaneously generate a circumstance of Darwinian emergence. It did so on Earth, and perhaps it did so within a wider scope. We learnt how biology generates intricate structure and complexity, and now we learn how it might explain for intricate structure and complexity within universal physical systems.

          To steal a phrase from my essay "A world product of evolved optimization".

          Best of luck for the conclusion of the contest

          Kind regards

          Steven Andresen

          Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin