Essay Abstract

In this essay, I argue that the idea that there is a most fundamental discipline, or level of reality, is mistaken. My argument is a result of my experiences with the "science wars", a debate that raged between scientists and sociologists in the 1990's over whether science can lay claim to objective truth. These debates shook my faith in physicalism, i.e. the idea that everything boils down to physics. I outline a theory of knowledge that I first proposed in my 2015 FQXi essay on which knowledge has the structure of a scale-free network. In this theory, although some disciplines are in a sense "more fundamental" than others, we never get to a "most fundamental" discipline. Instead, we get hubs of knowledge that have equal importance. This structure can explain why many physicists believe that physics is fundamental, while some sociologist believe that sociology is fundamental.

Author Bio

Matthew Leifer is an Assistant Professor of Physics at the Institute for Quantum Studies & Schmid College of Science and Technology, Chapman University. His research is on the foundations of quantum theory, and its intersection with quantum information. His colleagues in mathematics are annoyed that he won a prize in the 2015 FQXi essay contest for claiming that mathematics is physics. He is still trying to be the first person to win first prize in two FQXi essay contests.

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Dear Matt,

you present an intriguing point of view. It's interesting to think about how the spectrum of opinions would look if this contest had taken place at the height of the science wars---I would imagine many more of the physicists would defend a reductionist 'orthodoxy'. As it is, I think it's very refreshing to see that, at least among physicists entering FQXi contests (which may be a biased sample), alternative ideas have since come to the fore. Although of course it makes me wonder in how far my own ideas are merely in line with the current sociological trends!

I think one reason to hold physics as more fundamental than sociology is that there seems to be a kind of broadly reliable convergence with the former---this was impressed upon me in my undergrad days by a graph of the historical measurements of e/m (I think, but it might also have been the electron mass): the first measurement was in error, and subsequent measurements inched ever closer to today's value---albeit each within the error bars of the former! So there is a social component---the earlier measurement was not overturned in a single step---but ultimately, we uncover what's really 'out there'.

It's easy to conceive of an alien species that has a different sociology, but could they have different physics?

One thing that jumps out at me regarding your epistemic net is that in many cases, it seems to me that linkages between items of knowledge are themselves items of knowledge. Knowing that 'Socrates is a man' and 'Socrates is mortal' is linked by knowing that 'all men are mortal'. So the first two items of knowledge would not be linked for an entity that does not possess the third one. I haven't gone back to your 2015 essay, but off-hand, I'm not exactly sure what that means for your graph.

I think one way to defend the 'orthodox' view of physics (or at least, the 'hard' sciences) being more fundamental would be to postulate that besides the network of knowledge, there's a network of 'truths' out there, whose nodes correspond to objective facts, and whose links correspond to connections between them. The progress of science would then be to get our epistemic network to approximate this 'ontic' network, with societal influences at best shaping the course of this convergence.

In general, I like your conclusion, though---we only see a hierarchy of knowledge because we only ever traverse short distances from our respective hubs. But I feel that there's a bit of a conflation between two distinct questions---one being 'what is fundamental' to our knowledge of the world, and the other, 'what is fundamental' to the world as such---i.e. what are the fundamental facts about the world. You chose the former, epistemic approach, while I think most other respondents chose the ontic interpretation.

I think both are interesting, and in a way, my own ideas are rather more on the epistemic side, but one should perhaps be careful to distinguish between both.

    ...And it turns out I was thinking about the electron charge and Millikan's erroneous first measurement above.

    Dear Professor Matthew Saul Leifer,

    FQXi.org is clearly seeking to confirm whether Nature is fundamental.

    Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

    All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

    Only the truth can set you free.

    Joe Fisher, Realist

    Dear Fellow Essayists

    This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

    FQXI is clearly seeking to find out if there is a fundamental REALITY.

    Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

    All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

    Only the truth can set you free.

    Joe Fisher, Realist

    Against the measure of survival, both physics and sociology obey the biological Darwin selection process. Human history has shown a trend to focus to common solutions to sociological structures. Tribes, chiefdoms seem to have nearly the same structure and operation across many geographies. We're still working on states and nations and a world order. We might expect another planet would have the same sociological solutions.

    Hodge

    Dear Matt Leifer,

    It's good to see you back. I think your network model (figure 1) is somewhat related to the two essays on 'meaning' (Brian Josephson and Todd Duncan). I suspect you are correct about the scale-free structure of human knowledge. If so this would seem to have some implication for brain/mind models. I too think alien physics would resemble ours.

    One example you treat is Einstein's special relativity. You argue that perhaps Einstein's theoretical explanation of the symmetry of Maxwell's equation contributed to his acceptance. My current essay contrasts this with the Maxwell-hertz equations that he actually referred to in his 1905 paper. I hope you will find time to read my essay and comment in this regard.

    Best wishes and good luck in your quest for #2.

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

    Hi Matthew,

    Thanks for your personal account sociology of science. I fully agree with you that the content of physics is not entirely contained in its mathematical equations. And that "the scientific method" cannot be characterized in a precise way that is applicable in all cases. Different scientific disciplines use different methods and standards of evidence, as you state. Sadly this is also true in physics. Specifically in fundamental physics. What can account as evidence or true has to be sorted out within the physical community. Your theory of knowledge also nicely shows why specific disciplines see locally a hierarchical structure.

    When I studied physics, I also attended curses in sociology of science. But I never got really happy with it, because they seems not to be able to explain the great success and unity that underlie our best physical theories.

    Recently in philosophy of science I learned something about Quine's holism, who has also a short appearance in my essay The quantum sheep - In defence of a positivist on physics. I show that in any realistic theory there is not only an underdetermination of the theory by the data, but also a conceptual underdetermination, where it is not clear within the theory, which assertions are analytic (definitions) which are synthetic (observational consequences). There are always conventional elements.

    I also provide an Copenhagen type of interpretation of the quantum measurements problem, which I really would like you to read and comment, since I know, you are very critical about the different Copenhagen views.

    Luca

      Hm. The preview of the post is different than it shows after posting. The 'n's where newlines in the preview.

      Hi Matt,

      I was skeptical at first, but you made a quite reasonable case... so it must be a good essay!

      Still, you seem inclined to think there's probably one efficient scale-free network (or a close family of similar ones). Wouldn't it follow that the most important hubs in such a network were really "fundamental" in their own right? I know that's a different question than the one you're addressing here, about entire disciplines, but to me that still seems like a reasonable application of the term.

      Best, Ken

      Dear Prof. Leiter,

      I loved your essay; I am just sorry I haven't spotted it before.

      Maybe it has a bit of a bitter conclusion, and I am not sure whether I agree on every idea you have expounded, but it is surely fresh air in this contest. Your personal account of the "science wars" is very ejoyable. My essay also point out a failure of physicalism, and although I am maybe less radical in considering that the question '"what is fundamental?" simply evaporates', I argue for a search for fundamentaly that is methodology-dependent. I would be most glad if you find the time to have a look at my essay as well (https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3017) that shows some similiraties, but also divergent points, that I would willingly discuss with you.

      Meanwhile, congratulations for one of the best essays. 10 out of 10!

      All good wishes,

      Flavio

      Dear Prof Matthew Saul Leifer

      Your arguments are correct sit... Nice op "the idea that there is a most fundamental discipline, or level of reality, is mistaken". best wishes to your essay... By the way...

      Here in my essay energy to mass conversion is proposed................ yours is very nice essay best wishes .... I highly appreciate hope your essay and hope for reciprocity ....You may please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your some of the valuable & esteemed guidance

      Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :

      -No Isotropy

      -No Homogeneity

      -No Space-time continuum

      -Non-uniform density of matter, universe is lumpy

      -No singularities

      -No collisions between bodies

      -No blackholes

      -No warm holes

      -No Bigbang

      -No repulsion between distant Galaxies

      -Non-empty Universe

      -No imaginary or negative time axis

      -No imaginary X, Y, Z axes

      -No differential and Integral Equations mathematically

      -No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to GR on any condition

      -No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models

      -No many mini Bigbangs

      -No Missing Mass / Dark matter

      -No Dark energy

      -No Bigbang generated CMB detected

      -No Multi-verses

      Here:

      -Accelerating Expanding universe with 33% Blue shifted Galaxies

      -Newton's Gravitation law works everywhere in the same way

      -All bodies dynamically moving

      -All bodies move in dynamic Equilibrium

      -Closed universe model no light or bodies will go away from universe

      -Single Universe no baby universes

      -Time is linear as observed on earth, moving forward only

      -Independent x,y,z coordinate axes and Time axis no interdependencies between axes..

      -UGF (Universal Gravitational Force) calculated on every point-mass

      -Tensors (Linear) used for giving UNIQUE solutions for each time step

      -Uses everyday physics as achievable by engineering

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      -Data mining and data warehousing techniques are used for data extraction from large amounts of data.

      - Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true....Have a look at

      http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/p/blog-page_15.html

      I request you to please have a look at my essay also, and give some of your esteemed criticism for your information........

      Dynamic Universe Model says that the energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation passing grazingly near any gravitating mass changes its in frequency and finally will convert into neutrinos (mass). We all know that there is no experiment or quest in this direction. Energy conversion happens from mass to energy with the famous E=mC2, the other side of this conversion was not thought off. This is a new fundamental prediction by Dynamic Universe Model, a foundational quest in the area of Astrophysics and Cosmology.

      In accordance with Dynamic Universe Model frequency shift happens on both the sides of spectrum when any electromagnetic radiation passes grazingly near gravitating mass. With this new verification, we will open a new frontier that will unlock a way for formation of the basis for continual Nucleosynthesis (continuous formation of elements) in our Universe. Amount of frequency shift will depend on relative velocity difference. All the papers of author can be downloaded from "http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/ "

      I request you to please post your reply in my essay also, so that I can get an intimation that you replied

      Best

      =snp

      10 days later

      Dear Matt,

      I enjoyed reading your essay "Against Fundamentalism". Clearly it is very tempting for physicists to see their discipline as more fundamental, and in a sense it is true. I agree that sociological context influences significantly the trajectory of physics. I think history plays a role in our choices not only in the formalism, but also in the preference of one theory over another. Your example with the Copenhagen interpretation seems to me very representative. Also the discussion of the Michelson-Morley experiment, which luckily was confirmed recently with an impressive degree of accuracy at the 10-17 level.

      The free-scale network seems to be quite universal, and I think your picture of knowledge as such a network is relevant. I believe there is a relativity of fundamentalness in science, but also in fundamental physics.

      Given that (1) the scale-free network applies to so many situations, including, as you propose, to scientific knowledge, and given that (2) all information we have is extracted by observation ultimately from the quantum state, do you think that it is possible that (3) there is nothing but a huge it-from-bit network originating from and consistent with the laws of quantum mechanics? I don't mean in a reductionistic way, but in a participatory way.

      Best wishes,

      Cristi Stoica, Indra's net

      Dear Matthew

      If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don't rate them at all. Infact I haven't issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to gain.

      Beyond my essay's introduction, I place a microscope on the subjects of universal complexity and natural forces. I do so within context that clock operation is driven by Quantum Mechanical forces (atomic and photonic), while clocks also serve measure of General Relativity's effects (spacetime, time dilation). In this respect clocks can be said to possess a split personality, giving them the distinction that they are simultaneously a study in QM, while GR is a study of clocks. The situation stands whereby we have two fundamental theories of the world, but just one world. And we have a singular device which serves study of both those fundamental theories. Two fundamental theories, but one device? Please join me and my essay in questioning this circumstance?

      My essay goes on to identify natural forces in their universal roles, how they motivate the building of and maintaining complex universal structures and processes. When we look at how star fusion processes sit within a "narrow range of sensitivity" that stars are neither led to explode nor collapse under gravity. We think how lucky we are that the universe is just so. We can also count our lucky stars that the fusion process that marks the birth of a star, also leads to an eruption of photons from its surface. And again, how lucky we are! for if they didn't then gas accumulation wouldn't be halted and the star would again be led to collapse.

      Could a natural organisation principle have been responsible for fine tuning universal systems? Faced with how lucky we appear to have been, shouldn't we consider this possibility?

      For our luck surely didnt run out there, for these photons stream down on earth, liquifying oceans which drive geochemical processes that we "life" are reliant upon. The Earth is made up of elements that possess the chemical potentials that life is entirely dependent upon. Those chemical potentials are not expressed in the absence of water solvency. So again, how amazingly fortunate we are that these chemical potentials exist in the first instance, and additionally within an environment of abundant water solvency such as Earth, able to express these potentials.

      My essay is attempt of something audacious. It questions the fundamental nature of the interaction between space and matter Guv = Tuv, and hypothesizes the equality between space curvature and atomic forces is due to common process. Space gives up a potential in exchange for atomic forces in a conversion process, which drives atomic activity. And furthermore, that Baryons only exist because this energy potential of space exists and is available for exploitation. Baryon characteristics and behaviours, complexity of structure and process might then be explained in terms of being evolved and optimised for this purpose and existence. Removing need for so many layers of extraordinary luck to eventuate our own existence. It attempts an interpretation of the above mentioned stellar processes within these terms, but also extends much further. It shines a light on molecular structure that binds matter together, as potentially being an evolved agency that enhances rigidity and therefor persistence of universal system. We then turn a questioning mind towards Earths unlikely geochemical processes, (for which we living things owe so much) and look at its central theme and propensity for molecular rock forming processes. The existence of chemical potentials and their diverse range of molecular bond formation activities? The abundance of water solvent on Earth, for which many geochemical rock forming processes could not be expressed without? The question of a watery Earth? is then implicated as being part of an evolved system that arose for purpose and reason, alongside the same reason and purpose that molecular bonds and chemistry processes arose.

      By identifying atomic forces as having their origin in space, we have identified how they perpetually act, and deliver work products. Forces drive clocks and clock activity is shown by GR to dilate. My essay details the principle of force dilation and applies it to a universal mystery. My essay raises the possibility, that nature in possession of a natural energy potential, will spontaneously generate a circumstance of Darwinian emergence. It did so on Earth, and perhaps it did so within a wider scope. We learnt how biology generates intricate structure and complexity, and now we learn how it might explain for intricate structure and complexity within universal physical systems.

      To steal a phrase from my essay "A world product of evolved optimization".

      Best of luck for the conclusion of the contest

      Kind regards

      Steven Andresen

      Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin

      "Through the ingenuity and hard work of thousands of physicists, we have learned that all matter and energy in the universe is composed of interacting quantum fields, and we can in principle predict their behavior to great accuracy using the standard model of particle physics". Nothing more far from reality! Quantum field theory deals with interactions only approximately, isn't valid for full bound states, only superficially consider relativistic effects, is incompatible with quantum mechanics, is incompatible with thermodynamics,...

      "Sure, there are a few phenomena that are outside the scope of current physics, such as what happens in the very early universe or near the singularity of a black hole, but, on the scales relevant to human life, we have a pretty complete understanding of all the relevant constituents of matter and fundamental laws". This isn't true. There are lots of issues in "the scales relevant to human life" that require an extension or reformulation of the foundations of physics. Several extensions of quantum mechanics and quantum field theory are at use in laboratories.

      "In principle, we could use fundamental physics to predict with the greatest possible accuracy what will happen in any given situation, including those relevant to chemistry and biology, and even in those sciences that deal with the human mind, such as neuroscience, psychology, and sociology. I say "in principle" because those calculations would involve an impossibly detailed description of the initial conditions of the system being

      studied, as well as infeasible computational power. It would be essentially impossible to identify and model a biological system directly in terms of its constituent quantum fields." This is deliciously ingenious; quantum field theory cannot even describe a relativistic bound state in a small molecule less still describe a whole biological system. The no reduction of biology to quantum field theory is not a question of computational power, but a consequence of quantum field theory being based in approximations: biological processes cannot be described as scattering processes in an infinite volume between minus infinite time and plus infinite time.

      Effectively, established scientific theories aren't social constructs. The theories used to design a computer or a tire wouldn't work if they were "merely social constructs". The theories work because they adequately describe reality. Airplanes wouldn't fly as you correctly mention.

      The controversy over the experimental status of relativity wasn't the reason why Einstein didn't win a Nobel Prize for relativity, but members of the Nobel committee knew that most of relativity had been pioneered by Poincaré and Lorentz; then the committee nominated Einstein for the photoelectric effect.

      That physicists as Bohr or Heisenberg jumped to (invalid) conclusions about the nature of reality based on scant evidence was already noted by their contemporaneous: Planck, Einstein, Schrödinger,... That the Copenhagen view was accepted by the majority of physicists for decades and continue being very popular is an interesting case for historians and sociologists of science.

      "For example, the theory that is identical to current physics, but also posits that there are green aliens hiding on the dark side of the moon that are completely undetectable because they do not interact in any way with ordinary matter, is compatible with current evidence, but we would not want to call it scientific". Because it isn't, scientific hypothesis must be testable.

      I see no reason why we would not want to call "knowledge" to the name of the latest celebrities baby, or a paper is being cited by their own authors for no other reason than to increase their citation count. I wouldn't call scientific knowledge to the first, and I would evaluate the actual content of the paper instead of the ethic behind the actions of the authors, before classifying the paper as valid knowledge or not.

      I don't think we can simply assume that knowledge network would be scale-free. Many networks earlier reported to be scale-free, failed to pass further statistical analysis or the analysis did cast doubts about such claims.

      I'm not sure the mechanism for the generation of knowledge is correct. My complain is about the part describing how analogue "raw experience" nodes are replaced by some higher-abstraction node, reducing the number of links and complexity of the network. Whereas this mechanism is valid for (part of) descriptive knowledge it isn't valid for fundamental knowledge, where we ask "why", and often the answer to one "why" introduces a number of new "why" which need then to be answered. This repeated process generates an explosion of knowledge and the subsequent specialization into disciplines or branches.

      I don't think the real world always imposes itself on the raw experience nodes. That experience could be incorrect and the reason for the development of sophisticated scientific methodologies to acquire 'experience' from observations and experiments.

      "The existence of hubs ensures that the six degrees of separation property holds, so that it is possible to get from any two specialized disciplines to a common ground of knowledge in a relatively short number of steps." But not all the steps are the same; two disciplines can be separated by two steps, but those steps can be much more difficult than the five steps separating other pair of disciplines.

      This is one of the reasons why I don't use a network approach to represent knowledge. I use a chemical approach. This chemical approach also shows that human knowledge has a hierarchical structure with fundamental knowledge in one extreme, descriptive knowledge in the other, and both synthetic and analytic routes linking the creation of new knowledge items or analysis of existent items.

      Hi Matt,

      Thanks for this. Your network picture reminded me a great deal of the web of belief W.V. Quine proposes in his essay "Two Dogmas of Empiricism."

      You seem to construe physicalism, the claim that physics is fundamental, as the view that, in your words, "In principle, we could use fundamental physics to predict with the greatest possible accuracy what will happen in any given situation, including those relevant to chemistry and biology, and even in those sciences that deal with the human mind, such as neuroscience, psychology, and sociology." But I don't see how the conclusions of the strong program really interact with that. We may have sociological explanations for the uptake of physical theories over time. But this doesn't rule out that there may be more fundamental physical explanations of those same events, as you say, "in principle."

      Best,

      Alyssa

      Matthew,

      Quite an interesting essay, one I would not expect from a physicist, unless exposed to a broad range of subjects and influences. It got me to thinking about what my single hub node might be. I suppose it might relate to my latest interest in retirement, cosmology, in which I'm not formally trained. My nodes -- in terms of formal training -- might be humanities and economics. My essay, I think shows my passion for cosmology with a mix of a traditional religion, Catholicism, maybe quantum biology, and a healthy skepticism of traditional theories. Maybe an appreciation of aesthetics comes out in terms of humanities. What I'm actually saying is that I hope we are all a mixed bag, not pigeonholing our knowledge, but reading widely and keeping an open mind. That is what you seem to suggest. I like your emphasis on knowledge to extend your network. At least, that is what I'm gathering from your essay.

      I give it high marks. Hope you can get to mine.

      Jim

      Hello Mathew,

      To quote you:

      "In the throes of intellectual inquiry, it is common to adopt overly extreme views, which later have to be walked back. This happens all the time on the speculative end of theoretical physics, e.g. the claim that the universe is literally a quantum computer [8], or that all entangled systems are literally wormholes [9], or that the universe is made of mathematics [10]. So let's not hoist all of sociology on the petard of their most extreme proponents, and instead look at the evidence on which their claims are based."

      After reading your essay, I will have to give sociology some more respect. Your examples make me shake my head in disbelief. Yes, science can get carried away from being fundamental as can sociology.

      Thanks for a very informative essay,

      Don Limuti

      Mr. Leifer

      I fully enjoyed the way you put things together (esspecialy when you speak about theory of knowledge) in a clear picture.

      I think further words are useless.

      Rate it accordingly.

      If you would have the pleasure (and time) for a short axiomatic approach of the subject, I will appreciate your opinion.

      Respectfully,

      Silviu

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