Socrates, Atoms, and Being: A Dialogue by Mozibur Rahman Ullah

Dear Mozibur Rahman Ullah, You in an original way, through dialogue of ancient Greek philosophers have designated a problem of the fundamental in physics and have told: There is no law except there is no law and this is what is fundamental.

I'm curious to know, to say your. Theaetatus, Полидемус and Socrates on the principle of the identity of space and matter of Descartes. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich

Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows this principle. Evaluate it according to your fundamental concept and leave your comment there. Then I'll give you a rating. Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

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FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich

Well done! Hofstadter became famous by showing that 3 emblematic names point at the same idea, while your essay (and mine, for that matter) try to show that there are 3 most general distinct worldviews. Dealing with the question why 3 and not 4 or 2 might also be interesting. And let me mention that your contribution is fun to read: people around here apparently do not notice that fundamental begins with fun.

Best.

a.losev

Dear Mozibur Rahman Ullah,

FQXi.org is clearly seeking to confirm whether Nature is fundamental.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

I apologize. I gave you the wrong link. Here's how it should be. FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Look at my essay, where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows the principle of the identity of space and matter of Descartes. Evaluate and leave your comment there. Then I'll give you a rating. Ask for Descartes. Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

Dear Mozibur Rahman Ullah,

a very pleasurable essay, really in Plato's style, thank you for sharing!

> It seems that we are agreed that law is fundamental. There is no law except there is no law and this is what is fundamental.

I'm sorry to admit that I didn't catch the final part. Do you mean that there's not only one law? That there's no fundamental law a part of this one?

All the best,

Francesco

Dear Mozibur,

What a refreshing approach! You did an excellent job emulating Plato while keeping the dialogue interesting and entertaining. I think it is an ingenious idea to clothe some modern concepts related to fundamentality in ancient Greek clothes, and the execution was flawless.

The central idea reminds me strongly of that in Stefan Weckbach's essay, and also a little in Olaf Dreyer's. However, you add an additional contextual commentary, not by stating it outright anywhere but by demonstrating it, in a manner usually associated with the literary arts: our understanding of fundamentality has evidently not sufficiently advanced over the last two and a half millenia that a discussion about it today could not have been conducted by the ancient Greeks. And this raises the obvious question: is that due to the inherent nature of fundamentality, or is it due to our lack of progress in this area?

Outstanding job!

My essay also has a strongly philosophical underpinning: usually we associate the subject of interpretation of a theory with quantum mechanics, but I believe, and try to demonstrate, that actually even something elementary taught in freshman physics, Length contraction (and in the second paper, time dilation) admit of more fundamental interpretations which yield new insights with genuine physics content.

All the best to you, and I hope you write more dialogues!

Armin

Now I get it! You are very welcome!

Nice writing, it was like a delightful dessert served for free. Thank you, indeed

Silviu

Dear Mozibur,

Compliments on a beautiful essay! :-)

Tejinder

I have to say this is a beautiful essay -- showing that our 2-1/2 thousand year ideas can still be cast using the Ancient Greeks philosophical ideas. I was wondering about the last line but reading the above comments cleared up my confusions. Yes maybe we need a new clearing out of the old ideas which don't seem to change over the millennia.

Thoughtful, insightful and delightful to read. I have rated your essay highly. Thank you for entering the essay competition.

If you have time my essay What is fundamental is the area of the imaginary unit" uses a different basic idea of what a geometric number is -- instead of a number being a length such as 3 meters long, we start with a number is a (square) area... which doesn't sound like a big change but it does have profound implications for qm and relativity.

The essay has been put in a dialogue format between three Greek thinkers if i may say so. It is just one old culture that preceeded christianity in the west. There are other ancient cultures that have originated on the Indian sub continent. Ancient Hinduism which were postulated through annonymous authorship of saints like Patanjali and his predecessors, Buddha and later on by several reformists like Swami Vivekananda through famous Chicago International meet of 1890's and so on!There are lot of Zen literature which originated in Japan and China as reformist Buddism. May isay that Mulims too had orginated a philosophy oflife and living through Mohammad who was being persecuted by the Jewish majority in Jerusulum, Palistain. History of religious philosophy has such exemplenary expositions that are still being debated widely. Some of these are taking an ugly turn as terrorism today around the world over. Who is suffering, is it not the goodness of Humanity at large. I may have my personal preferences but these do not matter. What matters are the tenents of love, compassion and good will among the comity of nations that grew up in the world due to geographical, food and climatic reasons.

I went through the essay text presented in a unique manner but it did not convince me about the ingredients needed to day to control turmoil terrorist and other related violence around , mostly killing innocent human beings and not the propagaters! Let us work out the sanity to strengthen the entire humanity and in any isolated manner. Philosophers like Socrates are in history and not that much in relevance today, if i am permitted to say. Weare not running a lecture class on philosophy. WE are dealing with human lives where poverty and hunger still dominate , along with affluence of wealth and power of technology of richer countries. Humanities exist all over the world together and no longer isolated in regions as in the past. One world has to exist today and oneness has to be brought in through insight and strugle and ot by singing songs of good philsophy of the apst in history! I do not mean any personal criticism here as all authors and the public at large are forming the Community of this essay competition. Let love prevail!