Duration being this state of presence/being, as these events form and dissolve, so it is only the present being measured, as events go future to past. Potential to residual.
Why Time Might Not Be an Illusion
Dear John Brodix Merryman,
Reality has absolutely nothing to do with your supposed capability for "accepting" massive amounts of misinformation about invisible abstract human consciousness and the finite duration of invisible finite "presence/being".
Reality has everything to do with the unassailable, irrefutable, concrete, boiler plated FACT, that proves conclusively that the earth had a real visible surface for millions of years before any HUMANLY CONTRIVED INFORMATION ever appeared on that surface.
It logically follows that Nature must have devised the only real physical structure obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
8 days later
So...going back to the essay...relativity makes time into a dimension like space and so particles on determinate paths set the future, not free choice. In this sense, time is an illusion. The big bang sets the arrow of time...
Quantum time is reversible and so past and future are equally probable. What sets quantum time's arrow is not clear since a quantum clock ticks equally in both directions.
However, quantum dephasing or decoherence time does set time's arrow, but this essay does not mention quantum phase or decoherence. It is very confusing for the essay to discuss the illusion of time without any mention of quantum phase or of quantum phase decoherence.
The essay seems to have an incomplete notion of time...
The earth spin is what we call a day of time and that is the most basic notion of time. However, the earth spin is not constant and fluctuates at 18 ppm/yr and decays at 0.26 ppb/yr or more. Does time fluctuate and decay just like the earth's spin? Or is time somehow a nice constant that does not fluctuate or decay?
In fact, how can time decay in time?
The stability of atomic time is in its decoherence of phase and so two atomic clocks can start together and still diverge in their phase. The divergence of atomic clock ticks is called the Allan deviation and that represents a kind of second time dimension. In other words, not only is there a tick rate for time, there is also a decay of those tick intervals and that quantum phase decay is a second time dimension.
Dear Steve Agnew,
Invisible finite relativity cannot possibly make invisible finite time turn into an invisible finite dimension that could look like invisible finite space. Please pay attention.
Irrefutable evidence exists that conclusively proves that the earth had a real VISIBLE surface for millions of regular Gregorian calendar years before Einstein's unrealistic (finite) Theory of (finite) Relativity: General and Specific was ever published.
It logically follows that Nature must have designed the only REAL VISIBLE structure of the real planet earth, and the real VISIBLE Universe the real VISIBLE earth am contained in, obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
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Dear Steve Agnew,
The supposed finite speed of an abstract earth's rotation has nothing to do with observable reality. Any visible finite timepiece cannot measure invisible time. Please pay heed.
Irrefutable evidence exists that conclusively proves that the earth had a real VISIBLE surface for millions of regular Gregorian calendar years before any atomic clocks were ever situated on the earth's surface.
It logically follows that Nature must have designed the only REAL VISIBLE structure of the real planet earth, and the real VISIBLE Universe the real VISIBLE earth am contained in, obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
Dear Steve Agnew,
Invisible finite relativity cannot possibly make invisible finite time turn into an invisible finite dimension that could look like invisible finite space. Please pay attention.
Irrefutable evidence exists that conclusively proves that the earth had a real VISIBLE surface for millions of regular Gregorian calendar years before Einstein's unrealistic (finite) Theory of (finite) Relativity: General and Special was ever published.
It logically follows that Nature must have designed the only REAL VISIBLE structure of the real planet earth, and the real VISIBLE Universe the real VISIBLE earth am contained in, obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
Do we need quantum time, Big Bang, etc.?
"Quantum time is reversible and so past and future are equally probable. What sets quantum time's arrow is not clear since a quantum clock ticks equally in both directions."
I tend to distrust any belief that orients itself on pattern of human experience like "conscious", "made", designed", "created", or "purpose". Accordingly I don't expect progress from someone who is thinking in terms of a model like quantum physics.
It was Weyl who admitted that there is at the time being (1932?) no explanation for the symmetry of time (in QM). Schulman even suspected a hypothetical border between the micro world and the macroscopic one. Did really nobody admit that a model is fundamentally different from reality? Who dealt with even more obvious mistakes of the fathers of QM?
To me, reality is the conjecture of something that is not just subjective but entirely independent from any observer. Being aware of coherence length, I like Steve Agnew's argument:
"how can time decay in time?"
The most appealing to me notion of time is something that doesn't decay in time.
Any spin is at best an approximate measure of the reality called time.
Eckard Blumschein
Time is not reversible; never was. Events in the universe happen spontaneously. Spontaneous events happen from a cause and a cause has only one direction.
Springs, pendulum etc. all appear to go back on their tracks. But they are not doing so, because the whole universe changes constantly. In other words, no motion of the pendulum or of any quantum oscillation is ever the same as the previous one.
The oscillation back and forth of a particle "in a box" may be unfolded in a straight line....and it goes only one way..
The universe, time and spontaneous causality all go one way....
Marcel,
Marcel,
In a sense then it is the first law of thermodynamics which sets the direction of time. Energy is conserved, thus always and only present, so its inertia is the direction of time. The earth turns one direction, not both.
John.
Yes, the cause is unique and the same for thermodynamics and gravity. Both are about spontaneous dispersion into "larger space"
Marcel,
Marcel,
Yet gravity contracts. Consider the most basic features of galaxies are radiation expanding out, as mass and form coalesce in.
Consider that overall space is measured to be flat, that the seeming expansion of the universe is balanced by the overall effect of gravity. Consider the redshift of distant galaxies is the basis of our knowledge of this expansion. What if it is an optical effect?
The most significant flaw I see in Big Bang cosmology is when they realized all those distant galaxies are redshifted proportional to distance, in all directions, it made us appear to be the center of the universe, so the "spacetime" of GR was invoked to say space itself is expanding and every point would appear as the center. Which totally overlooks the central premise of GR, that light is always measured as a Constant. If the light is redshifted because it takes longer to cross between galaxies, it is not Constant to the intergalactic metric. More lightyears between galaxies, not expanded lightyears. So two metrics of space are being derived from the same intergalactic light. One based on its spectrum and one based on its speed. Of course, we are the center of our view of the universe, so an optical effect would make sense.
To get back to the point, say redshift is an optical effect of light having to disperse with distance, to the point it does fall down the spectrum, into radio waves, resulting in the background radiation. Eventually falling so far down the spectrum it starts to coalesce into elemental particles.
The overall result would be a cosmic convection cycle of expanding radiation and coalescing mass.
Thermodynamics.
Galactic black holes being the eye of the storm and all inflating mass radiated and jetted back out.
It has been said that tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth spins. This is equivalent to the notion that the next atomic clock pulse becomes the last atomic clock pulse because of the decay of phase. In other words, it is a statement of the reversibility of quantum time.
While quantum time is reversible, gravity time's direction is set by the determinate paths of particles and so gravity time is not reversible. Gravity time is then completely predictable and determinate while the reversibility of quantum time means that quantum time is not determinate.
The way to explain time is with the parents and progeny of a causal set. Parents have children and from the family history of a causal set emerges what we call time. It takes more time for some progeny to emerge and that extra time is what we call distance in space. Quantum phase decay is then what sets time's arrow, both for quantum charge and quantum gravity and so entropy and temperature seem to have lost their way...
The notions of time and space are extremely useful for predictions of most action, but some predictions of action need the more fundamental notions of a causal set. A causal set orders actions by parentage and progeny and seems to be a more fundamental description of the universe.
However, quantum amplitude and phase superposition seem be an acausal superset whose norm becomes the causal set that we call reality. So it is wrong to say that the universe decays in time. Instead, the progeny of the universe result in fewer not more matter, but with greater force. From that family history emerges time and space...
John,
The rate of time slows down as we move toward the ground. This means longer seconds. In order for c (m/s) to remain constant, longer seconds means longer meters. In other words, an object is falling into larger space.
So, space is not contracting in a gravitational field; it is in fact
expanding. The apparent contraction is an illusion. Falling into larger space is dispersion, the hallmark of thermodynamics....
Marcel,
Dear Eckard Blumschein and Steve Agnew,
Irrefutable evidence exists that conclusively proves that the earth had a real VISIBLE surface for millions of regular Gregorian calendar years before any atomic clocks were ever situated on the earth's surface.
It logically follows that Nature must have designed the only REAL VISIBLE structure of the real planet earth, and the real VISIBLE Universe the real VISIBLE earth am contained in, obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
INFINITE SINGULARITY AM INDIVISABLE AND CANNOT CONTAIN ANY FINITE ELEMENTS OF CAPACITY OR DURATION.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
Dear Marcel-Marie LeBel and John Brodix Merryman,
Irrefutable evidence exists that conclusively proves that the earth had a real VISIBLE surface for millions of regular Gregorian calendar years before any atomic clocks were ever situated on the earth's surface.
It logically follows that Nature must have designed the only REAL VISIBLE structure of the real planet earth, and the real VISIBLE Universe the real VISIBLE earth am contained in, obtainable.
The real Universe consists only of one real single unified VISIBLE infinite surface eternally occurring in one single infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
INFINITE SINGULARITY AM INDIVISABLE AND CANNOT CONTAIN ANY FINITE ELEMENTS OF CAPACITY OR DURATION.
Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated
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Dear John Brodix Merryman,
It am physically impossible for any invisible gravitational force to contract. While it might seem that the surface of a visible railroad track might seem to expand and contract due to heating by sunlight, a real observer using their real eyes would only ever see a plethora of a small part of the track seamlessly enmeshed in the surface of a part of the railbed and the embankment and a portion of the sky and so on. This would be true if the real observer used a real camera to photograph the railroad track.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Dear Marcel-Marie LeBel,
It am physically impossible for invisible time to do anything. Although a real observer using their real eyes may look at the visible surface of a timepiece, the real observer will also see a seamlessly enmeshed flat varied hued surface of a wrist the timepiece is attached to, or the base and grounds the sundial is on, or the structure of the furniture and walls of the room where the grandfather clock am ticking away.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Marcel,
Isn't it that as "time"/speed of light slows, distance contracts, so that the speed of light remains Constant?
The basic premise is that in the vacuum, the speed of light is the Constant, nothing can go faster. So that in a moving frame, quantum activity has to slow, so the internal activity and external motion don't exceed C. Consequently distance, as measured by physical objects, shrinks, because they shrink. So while the speed of light is constant to that vacuum of space, if you are moving with it, it would still be measured at C, because your sense of space is contracted, relative to how fast your frame is moving. If your frame reaches the speed of light, there is no action possible in that frame, so "time" has stopped. Of course, everything has been converted to light as well.
Now since gravity is equivalent to acceleration, light is slowed by it, but distance is compressed as well. Basically the premise is measurement is foundational and when we measure, we have to measure something, either mass or light, so gravity does compress mass. That's why water pressure is so much higher, the deeper it is. More atoms pushed into smaller spaces. Space contracts.
I think the focus on the measurement ignores what is being measured and the whole process is all backwards, but it is a bit like epicycles. The math worked and was excellent, but the underlaying physics was all messed up, because the earth was only the center of our point of view, not the more universal situation.
I see the vacuum/space as fundamental, as I argued in my contest entry, as well as the relationship f light to it, but time is simply a measure of activity, just like temperature.
So it is asymmetric because action is inertial. Movement is movement. Time is a measure of the change caused by that movement. Future becomes past. Potential, to actual, to residual. Duration is the present, as events come and go.
We have it backward because our point of view is of the sequence of our perceptions drawn from it, so it seems the present is "flowing" past to future, just like it seems the sun and stars rise in the east and set in the west, when it is the earth turing west to east, just as it is future becoming past.