Hi Georgina! I suspect you are using non-standard terminology. So no matter how right you are, that makes it almost impossible, unfortunately, to see what you are actually saying.

Vesuvius Now, thank you so much for watching and your feedback. I will make a note on the Light clock video's page , to watch 'Two kinds of time' first if unfamiliar with my explanatory framework.

Two kinds of time sets out the main components and terminology. Object reality pertains tp uni-temporal, material, existing reality - no time dimension; related to Foundational time. Image reality pertains to products of 'sensory' signal receipt and processing; related to Emergent time.

In the light clock video: First the clock and conventional analysis is set out. Then Object reality, what happens in the material clock itself is considered. Then what is observed, Image reality and why. The tyre mark on moving wheel clearly explains why, in material reality cycle distance and translation must be treated separately. If there are specific things that are still confusing please ask.

Vesuvius Now,

I assumed you had seen the video, not just assumed it would be incomprehensible. Its only about 7 or about minutes long and I think works quite well as a stand alone comparison of standard analysis and alterative. There is one slide shown briefly where I try to explain foundational time, which is perhaps out of place and perhaps puzzling if never encountered before. Interesting outcome of the alternative analysis , is that the moving clock itself should not run slow. And with alternative framework time can not actually be going at different rates in different places in material realty. So there has to be a material reason, which could become another video. I mention in two kinds of time that clock timing is Proper time not foundational time. I'm making a video setting out the meanings of temporal terms, as required by the alternative framework. They are not premises but consequences.

The two kinds of time are 1. foundational; change in the existing, material configuration of the Object universe (Not the visible/observable universe but all that materially co-exists (present tense). 2. Emergent time. The sequence of Presents of an observer generated from signal receipt and processing.

The timing of a clock is different again. The clock generates and counts a particular kind of event. The rate of counting the events is not the rate of passage of Foundational time but the rate of distribution of the counted events within Object reality ( pertaining to the Object universe). That rate is the same as will be observed by a co-moving or co-stationary observer at the location of the clock.

a month later

Animal Panorama Fails That Are So Bad They're Good

YouTube video https://youtu.be/7JyslWXH7zQ

Camera observer is moved ,rotated horizontally. Information obtained from EMR input, obtained at different times and observer locations, is "stitched' slice-wise together.

Demonstrates-

The 'animal' product has not and does not materially exist as an animal.

The 'animal" product is a manifestation generated by the camera observer.

If the source of EMR input moves during collection it affects the product generated (using this technique). Product generated by camera observer using information obtained from EMR input.

    The 'stitching' together of different times and locations makes me think about images of massive tilted galaxies. These structures can be very many light years in diameter. The EMR from the furthest away portion will have taken many light years of travel prior to emission of the EMR from the nearest to observer part of the galaxy, if they are to be received together. In which case does the product deserve to be called [image of] an object. When it has never existed at one time as seen. It is often said that looking 'out into' space is like looking back in time. But what is seen is an amalgamation of received information from EMR emitted at different times. A material 4D object will be/is, or ought to be, all that it is at each time rather than partially at many different times as the manifestation produced by the observing equipment. That's the relevance of the panoramic animals. Thoughts?

    If I think of myself as I'd be as a four dimensional object; spanning my growth, development and aging: At any place along the time dimension I am a whole 3D object. Part of the 4D object. I am not a slice of a 3D object. The tilted galaxy image is not the galaxy as it was at any time but a 2d image of a composite 3D appearance. The image formed from received signals is a new product.

    A better premise than the existence of the material Object universe,-Now, would be that material existence does not have a time dimension. From which comes the proposition of the Object universe. Rather than the binary choice of presentism or eternalism, there can be material existence without time dimension and observation products with a time dimension, due to differences in signal transmission time, from material source to observer..

    Hi Amrit,

    I agree that "Time as duration is the result of measurement."

    Your link doesn`t seem to work for me.

    Our conscious minds experience duration elapsing as time passing. We use the conceptual frameworks of past and future as conscious reference points.

    We don`t have time. We have motion.

    Hi Amrit,

    You can find my views expressed under the article, "The Quantum Clock-Maker Investigating Covid-19, Causality, and the trouble with AI."

    I want to say YES! It's not Time, it's Motion.

    A 3 dimensional cube is stationary, motion is the next necessary step for describing the universe. Motion is visible as the 4th dimension (if we want to call it a dimension) not time.

    From this, as I see it, space-time would actually be space-motion.

    But motion is usually the motion of mass and so we come to the possibility that motion-space-mass are a single cohesive unit.

    And from this a surprisingly simple, new theory that brings together the expanding universe, gravity, quantum, Newtonian physics and relativity.

    For more, see article in Medium. Medium link

    Hi S. David Coleman,

    We seem to agree that we don`t have time, we do have motion.

    It`s my view, that the Earth`s rotational motion is the fundamental physical mechanism causing our confusion about the nature of time.

    Hi, we can tell indeed that the motions permit this duration but we must recognise that we have changes and that the evolution seesm essential, yesterday is different than today and different that tomorrow, the time is just a parameter that we have invencted to better understand the interactions and the durations. It is not a force or a particle indeed but we can utilise it in fact in our sciences. The carbon 14 for example proves that this time that we have invented is real in function of course of observations relativelly speaking.If this time didn t exist with the motions, we could not even speak here on face book and we had not a life with a past, a present and a future, we born, we live , we die....

    Hi S. David Coleman,

    It`s my contention that time does not exist as a real thing, but only as a measurement system.

    The Earth`s rotational motion creates a continuously changing environment that repeats the cycle every 24 hours. We use the motion to inform our clocks.

    Our world provides every indication that time is passing.

    Hi Jim, David, Amrit,

    I agree in the sense that this time is a kind of dimension correlated with the motions. Now it becomes very philosophical too about the origin of our universe and how we can consider this time correlated with the multiple dimensions due to our motions and observations but also due to this eternity maybe too ontologically speaking. If e take our newtonian mechanics, or the GR or the minkowski spacetime or the strings or my 3D spheres and the 3 spacetimes, or others we have different intepretations in function of measurements and observations. Max Tegmark has developped some ideas about this in explaining the effects if we consider several dimensions of time with the partial differential equations,I agree with him in the sense that if we had several dimensions, the unstability d be a reality at all scales.That implies even deep problems thermodynamical and entropical. All this imply that the philosophy and the physics , sciences and maths can converge in respecting one dimension of time correlated with the motions and rotations oscillations for me of 3D quantum and cosmological spheres, where the main parameter is a duration , an evolution for the changes and variables. All this imply an important link considering the informations, and main codes , we need so a chief orchestra giving these variables and achanges due to this evolution and the space vacuum seems the key.

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    Hi Steve,

    I don`t speculate that time is "a kind of dimension correlated with the motions."

    If I am to be philosophical about the nature of time, I would say there is no such thing, there is only motion.

    I think it is thus far impossible to show that time exists or that it does not exist (as something other than our own construct). To me, everything leans toward time not existing, except for our own internal sense of it.

    Yes the motion of the earth, also everything else that is in motion which continuously effects everything else. The most interesting thing I've bumped into recently is quantum motion, which is extreme as far as I can tell.

    As I see it quantum motion (the compellation of many tiny motions) is AS INVISIBLE, AS UBIQUTOUS AND AS STEADY AS OUR SENSE OF TIME IS.

    For more see article in Medium