The Nature of Time

Georgina Woodward

This could be accounted for by variation in the density of base existence. Less at altitude and more encountered with quasi absolute motion. This might affect the event generating vibrations of the caesium atoms,

Georgina Woodward

Who are you quoting? Are all the clocks telling the same time?

There is a time associated with photons other than the Now in which they exist, which is the time of their last emission from an object. Their position (striking the retina or photocell array of a device), intensity (how many) and frequency can be used by an observer to form a visual likeness of that former time. But the photon doesn't have a stopped clock with it.

Steve Dufourny

The higgs bosons and the higgs fields and mechanisms are just photons encoded in a thing that we cannot really define , they permet to mass to emerge but are not the real cause of the mass , the mechanism of higgs is simply a field permitting to activate something farer , and the time is not odd in this logic, furthermore the spacetime is a luminiferous one but we have probably other aethers like this DM and DE. The photons so can be seen like a fuel simply , they are not the primordial essence in logic.

sherman jenkins

Georgina. A regulator produced by the Higgs charge that is yielding the Higgs field.聽 A standard that is聽synchronized聽with all neighboring Higgs.聽 The average value of the Higgs field varies with local energy density.

Vesuvius Now

How would this Higgs field deal with the problem of the 'now'?

sherman jenkins

I do not see a real problem with now?

Jim Snowdon

Hi Lockie,

As like under the condition portrayed in my previous post, imagine if it was always early morning where you lived on the planet. Clocks would tell you the time of day, but it would always appear as early morning where you lived, 365 days a year. You might vacation at a place that had continuous afternoon.

I can not say I have a philosophy, I would say I have an observation.

We evolved on a swiftly rotating planet that`s rotational motion at the Equator is 1,670 kilometers per hour. Our time measurement system is based on and matched to this constant rotational motion.

It is an erroneous assumption that time actually exists as some kind of real force or thing.

Steve Dufourny

Hi Jim, of course this time cannot be taken like a matter or a force or others, but in telling that it does not exist it is the same that we don t exist , this time is a thing wich is necessary for the universe , without time, we have no matter, no evolution, no motion, no interaction, it is a parameter different than the others but it exists, we have a past, a present and we shall have a future and it is due to time and its duration. The sciences community nver has told that this time was a force or others, we all perceive this time in our lifes, we are bornt, we live a time and we die like all biological creations, einstein has interpreted this time with observations and with the special relativity we know that it is a tool like we see our past more we observe far in space, like we see our sun 8 min in late, it is a tool this relativity permitting to observe and see an evolution in analysing our past , you see well that this time is a necessary piece for the universe and its motions, never we have told it was a force, but it exists , you exist and you have a time life like all , in our equations this time is taken seriously into account.

Jim Snowdon

Hi Steve,

I do not see how saying time does not exist, is the same as saying that we do not exist?

We have motion in our timeless Universe. We have durations elapsing in our timeless Universe.

Steve Dufourny

I can understand the philosophy but I don t know what it can imply for our sciences in telling this, are we going to have a revolutionary equation with what you tell ? the time is a thing that we have defined and I can understand what you tell about the fact it does not really exist physically we cannot touch it, but it is a parameter permitting to understand this evolution and the motions and the actions and interactions of matters. You see well that you live and that you are a person with a time life, you have a past , a present and a future, so I don t understand what you want to tell us to be frank, what are the implications of this ?m Develop please philosophically the implications and real meanings .

Vesuvius Now

The problem is that in physics models there is no 'now'. But it is universal human experience that there is a 'now'.

Georgina Woodward

The human experience of now, the present, is generated by each of the observers from sensory stimuli when received at their location. The time it has taken the stimuli to arrive depends upon type of stimulus and distance from material source. For those reasons when an event has happened is not necessarily agreed upon. The individually generated nows are different, and are amalgamations from information that had not all the same temporal origin. That is to say it was emitted from different configurations of existing reality; the observation products do not represent uni-temporal reality. Whereas to dispel the temporal paradoxes, a uni-temporal Source material reality will suffice, That uni-temporal Now( configuration of all existing) is not the same as now, the experienced present. It is Now that has been missing SR allows different observer experiences of the present.

Jim Snowdon

Hi Steve,

I can not say I have a philosophy, I would say I have an observation.

You said, "the time is a thing we have defined". Then why did FQXi hold their first essay contest on the nature of time, in 2008?

Jim Snowdon

Hi Steve,

We are inclined to feel that time exists as some kind of real thing or force, primarily because we evolved on a swiftly rotating planet. The overwhelming, ceaseless, repetitive effects of the rotational motion has, of course, conditioned our cognitive grasp of the nature of time. For us, time is a real thing.

Steve, the "implication" is that we perceive the Universe with our planetarily conditioned perspective of the nature of time.

I assume a lot of people do not believe that time exists.

My observation is that the Earth`s rotational motion is the fundamental physical mechanism responsible for our confusion about the nature of time.

Steve Dufourny

Hi Jim, yes I understand you interpretation and indeed seen like this it is just a thing that we have defined due to motions, it is not a force. This time is just a duration correlated with the evolution for me, like a thing that we cannot touch but permitting these motions and this evolution and it seems irreversible on this entropical arrow of time, the evolution so seems the most important and these motions, the time is just an invention permitting to better understand these motions and this evolution. The rotations so and the motions are under a specific universal mechanism of evolution. We must that said recognise that we live and we have a life time, we born, we live and we die like many things inside this physicality, it is a process irreversible. I believe that we cannot check this time in it is pure meaning, because like you tell it does not really exist, it is just a concept permitting to understand this evolution, so how can we check a thing wich does not really exist even with the relativity of einstein, it is a tool permitting to rank this evolution like we see our past more we analyse farer this space due to c .

Jim Snowdon

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Jim Snowdon

Hi Steve,

There can be no arrow of time without time existing as some kind of real thing. I am not sure what you mean by "entropical arrow of time".

No time reversibility, no actual time to reverse. No time travel, no time to travel through, or to.

Steve Dufourny

Hi Jim, The time is a concept taken very seriously in thermodynamics and heat , in quantum physics, in quantum field theory , in cosmology , and it seesm that we have an irreversible entropical arrow of time, in studying the physics in my bokks, like in thermo and heat of Zemanski, the time is important , see the entropy and the second law of thermodynamics, thearrow of time is foundamental. For me the time is irreversible , we cannot check this time.

Georgina Woodward

Steve, the arrow of time is an abstract concept, There is nothing about time that is like a material arrow flying through space, in a particular direction. Nevertheless it tells something about how we think about time. The Grim reaper is similarly widely recognized and tells us something about our thinking on the idea of death. Yet it is not the imagined entity.

All change is imaginable as forwards flight of the arrow, whatever the spatial direction and whether endo or exothermic. Even a reversible reaction in reverse is forwards flight of the imagined arrow. Continual, sequential change to the pattern of existence (and relations within) is foundational. The arrow of time (an idea) is not foundational. Sorry if I'm being pedantic.

Steve Dufourny

Hi Georgina, Don t worry you are not pedantic ,thanks for sharing your ideas. I can understand whay you explain. I know indeed that it is an abstract concept. Could you develop a little bit about the death please ? what are your thoughts about the body mind soul problem and the life death, could you tell memmore about your general philosophy of this universe, why we are and from what and if you consider a continuity after this death. About the entropy, could you tell me more about how you see a reversibility considering the second law of themro for example ? Friendly

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