From uncomputability to quantum consciousness to quantum gravity to neutrinos masses measurement by Janko Kokosar

Janko Kokosar

Essay Abstract

As first in this essay, I connected "uncomputability and unpredictability" with quantum consciousness, or more precisely, with a quantum decision. This means that I summarized my old model for quantum consciousness. Then, because consciousness is connected with information and because of panpsychism, I assumed that all physics is information. The essence of all physics is also space, time, and matter. The theory that will explain all this mathematically and will find connections between them is quantum gravity (QG). Because physics should also be information, this theory should be informational and also simple. I represent a scheme of a model for QG. Beside of informational aspect it is important that QG will explain one day, what matter, space, time, and relations between them are. These are mysteries, maybe even larger than consciousness, but probably it is connected with them. Probably, within five years the measurement of the masses of the neutrinos will be done, with it I will check my model for QG. This is also one of the rare measurements that will check some theory of QG.

Author Bio

Janko Kokosar, born in 1963 in Slovenia, is a Bachelor of Science in Physics (FMF Ljubljana), and works in steel industry. He has some papers according to the steel industry research. He has also some theories about quantum gravity and consciousness, references are in the essay and some papers are in preparation. One of his new achievements is a prediction of one of the masses of the neutrinos. Namely, physicists predict that masses of the neutrinos will be measured in five years.

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David Brown

"... the Gisin principle of uncertainty ... says that any physical quantity that can be described with a finite volume contains a finite information." If the Gisin principle of uncertainty is correct, then it is essential to find a new concept of spacetime? Have you studied the following?

Bílek, Michal, Ingo Thies, Pavel Kroupa, and Benoit Famaey. "Origin Of Tidal Structures In Modified Gravity." arXiv preprint arXiv:1908.07537 (2019)

Have you formed an opinion of Milgrom's MOND?

Satyavarapu Gupta

Prof Janko Kokosar,

Thank you for your nice essay on quantum consciousness and quantum gravity ...

Can you please explain difference between quantum consciousness and real human consciousness as well as gravity we experience on earth and quantum gravity ....in few simple words????

By the way I hope you will spend a little time on my essay where I just elaborated what should be the freedom available to an author when the " real open thinking" is supported.

"A properly deciding, Computing and Predicting new theory's Philosophy"

=snp.gupta

Dale Gillman

Hello Dr. Kokosar,

You wrote a fantastic essay:

A. "...Let us see, how it is with a possibility of quantum consciousness (QC), more precisely that a quantum collapse means a decision. Such a quantum decision cannot be directly explained by quantum randomness, because our decisions are not random..." I too posited about "decisions" before in the past. What are your thoughts on 'proto-consciousness'? What mechanism is consciousness run by?

B. I'd like to know your opinions about Libet's famous study showing that (semi) unconscious decisions are made before we decide to do something (such as raise our hand) (see https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201709/benjamin-libet-and-the-denial-free-will)

C. "...If these units are unconnected, we have the common quantum physics and therefore the common classical physics. But, if these units are connected, we obtain consciousness as we know it and quantum physics as we do not know it yet..." Well put, sir.

D. Your thoughts for testing about (potential experiments on consciousness) are very practical. Perhaps one must find a way to 'strip down any conscious system [or conscious experience] to its most reduced constituents'.

E. I would be interested to find out more about your proposition "...I suspect also that qualia are some fundamental elements of consciousness and this can be tested by these measurements..." I suggest checking out qualia research institute they have an official website https://www.qualiaresearchinstitute.org/ but they also have a blog qualia computing https://qualiacomputing.com/

F. Although, I'd imagine your hypothesis to not be popular among scientists, I don't believe that it would be unreasonable to posit that there might be a relationship between QG and consciousness (or that they each have something to do with one another).

G. I had a difficult time with the word "thermical".

H. "...Therefore the study of BHs is also the essence of QG, in my opinion..." I suspect so too.

I. Does the following have anything to do with the proposed quantum foam posited from quantum loop gravity? "...General relativity implies that the only "information" that the vacuum carries at each point is the so-called "metric tensor" - a set of numbers that allow one to calculate the distance between any two nearby points. This is enough for the vacuum to be able to bend - much like any material. One doesn't need any atomic constituents to be able to talk about the geometry of the space, and to guarantee that the environment is able to get curved (and to distinguish a flat region of the vacuum from a curved one)..."

Kindly consider taking a look at my essay.

Thank you,

Dale C. Gillman

Janko Kokosar

Hello Dale

A. Proto-consciousness is new for me. I need to read more about it.

B. My mechanism is panpsychism, i.e. that consciousness is more fundamental than matter. What is a foundation of consciousness I have not studied yet, but with time and new research this will be known.

E. Now I am more interested in physiological and neurological explanations of qualia. For instance, peptides are connected with pain. If you maybe have links for this?

F. I Wrote some hints: what is spacetime, what is matter and this is connected with consciousness: (Strangely, but matter is not less mysterious than consciousness, we sense consciousness directly, but matter is sensed less directly.) Including space, time, and matter, time is the most connected with consciousness, because the feeling of time is dependent on consciousness (a cold lizard vs. a warm lizard. . . )

But this is a difficult question.

G. I mentioned thermical distribution as Boltzmann distribution, or a similar distribution in my Ref [4].

I. It is more simple. This paragraph of Motl is mentioned for general relativity. He claims that spacetime can be curved without the use of any matter. I disagree with him because quantum gravity needs additional assumptions and I claim that in this case empty spacetime without (rest) matter cannot exist.

Thank you for reading, questioning and commenting on my essay. I will also comment on your essay. (It is one mistake of FQXi, it is opened twice.)

Best regards,

Janko Kokosar

Janko Kokosar re-uploaded the file Kokosar_FQXi2019y.pdf for the essay entitled "From uncomputability to quantum consciousness to quantum gravity to neutrinos masses measurement" on 2020-04-24 19:07:43 UTC.

Janko Kokosar

The number of changes is very small. I added two sentences into endnote 28, and I added two references of Orpwood's theory of qualia. He locates qualia with the use of a lot of neurological knowledge, and this is the best theory of consciousness which I read until now, in my opinion. This is one help for further theories of consciousness.

Jonathan Dickau

Greetings Dr. Kokosar,

I must give your paper mixed reviews, because I think what you present is incomplete or inconclusive, and I don't think it is suitable to simply announce that your predictions will be tested by experiment, without a summary. I like most of the ideas you present, and indeed I agree with some of your stands wholeheartedly, but you fail to give me adequate reasons to do so in this essay. And you seem unaware that there are others who have proposed similar ideas.

For example; Alexander Burinskii makes specific predictions about electrons by modeling them as a Kerr-Newman black hole. He makes an excellent case that the model explains both their mass and electronic properties well. Jarmo Mäkela has a QG model which features Planck sized black holes as elements of spacetime. B.G. Sidharth talks about spacetime as a network of quantum oscillators at the Planck scale, which also resembles your ideas. A few modifications would yield your model...

I agree strongly about your comments regarding arXiv. They are often grossly unfair, and the situation is worse than what you have described. A full professor at Texas A&M, Laszlo Kish writes papers that get published in QM journals, only to have arXiv put them in GenPhys. Donatello Dolce was a previous FQXi winner whom I met at FFP10. His papers likewise were published in prominent journals, then re-classified to GenPhys the moment he finished his post doc assignment and was no longer at a university. And they even mess with Nobel laureates.

You might seek an alternate road to validation through conference attendance or professional societies like the ISGRG. This could get your ideas before a broader audience, or allow opportunities to see the work of others in a similar vein. I have been flummoxed more than once, in that regard. I was so reluctant to talk about a 5-d to 4-d transition until I saw that DGP gravity featured such a shift. Who knew? But these days; I am struggling to make sure that I can get some works published before I am scooped again.

My biggest complaint with this essay is that you did not supply us with a table of particles or some other tangible summary that would allow us to immediately see what you have predicted and how it compares. Other authors have done this well, Janko. You owe it to yourself and your ideas to tighten up, ante up, and clean up your act a bit. You get only partial credit for your good work.

Best,

Jonathan

Jonathan Dickau

By the way...

I tend to agree that consciousness is more important than matter, or that at least it is a constituent part of the material universe. My view is that oneness exists before the first distinction, separating inside and out there, but an observation in some form is required to make that determination - so it is consciousness that awakens form or the capacity to create form. It is good Philosophy.

This is tough to prove, though, and even Ed Klingman when assuming consciousness is primal can derive the right result; people tend to think it's unscientific, so he has never been awarded a prize. Perhaps it is something better to know but to recognize it is hard to sell the idea as Science.

All the Best,

Jonathan

Janko Kokosar

Dear Jonathan J. Dickau

Thank you that you read my paper and thank you for your opinion. I need opinions, that I will improve my theory when I will start to work on my theories more systematically. I need also to better understand QED and many fundamental theories.

I admit that I did not write a lot about my conclusions and about my model because the space in the paper was limited. But some things can be found in my references, ref [4], etc. Although it is scattered in many papers, it is also published also in FQXi. I have models, but they have gaps.

Besides, my model has two points where it maybe will come in contradiction with facts, like the Higgs boson and quarks. But time will show, how it is with this, maybe also neutrinos masses will show.

I read also your paper. It is an interesting approach with the Mandelbrot set and its connection with gravity. But, to understand more, I need to read more.

Your last section is especially revealing. You let me know that the Mandelbrot set is not known to all small sizes; You said that we are limited with calculating capacities. And that we need new revelations, not only confirmations.

But despite this I have a vision, that quantum gravity theory can be written on a T-shirt. But, I will need more time to develop this theory.

Best regards

Janko Kokosar

Jonathan Dickau

Thank you Janko...

I am glad I came back to read this reply. And I apprreciate you got to read my essay. Good luck in your research.

All the Best,

Jonathan

Vladimir Fedorov

Dear Janko,

I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.

While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: "Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus", due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 "Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability".

I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.

Warm Regards, `

Vladimir