Dear Satyavarapu,

1. You are right about the problems. As I covered in my paper the root cause is that man has laws written into him that are contrary to the laws that are in accordance to love for one another. This causes men to act in ways that are not best for others or even themselves in the long run. It is right that most researchers want to support mainstream physics because they want to get the financial support to live off of and to do their research. They do this because they realize that the rules of those in control are such that if they present anything contrary to mainstream physics concepts, they will not get that support. Those in control made those rules to support their own public credibility and financial situation because they realize that if some new concept shows that they have made errors or if the new theory fills in blanks in understanding that they were not able to, they will appear to be less competent than the new person who could correct or fill in with new information. This reasoning is valid to them because of their built-in law that self-survival is more important than group survival and progress. Only love for others can overpower that law.

2. It looks like your hypothesis is still the same and you still have not seen any experimental evidence for the concept that light photon's frequencies are increased when they approach a large mass and are not decreased again as they later travel away from the large mass. I have not seen any such evidence either.

It is possible to propel two drops of water of equal mass toward each other with very low velocity, such that when they come together, they will form a single larger drop. If it is done in the earth's gravity field you have to be high enough up in the air that they have time to come together before they hit anything else. At a larger scale, many pieces of rock hit the earth every day. Most of them are very small, but some are large enough to cause wide spread damage. I believe that you are right that there will not be any large collapsed lump of all bodies in the universe. The universe will end long before that could possibly happen.

I am not sure if you are asking me for my email address or my postal address, but if you give me your email address, I will send it to you.

Sincerely,

Paul

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Dear Martin,

I have seen estimates that it would take coverage of about one percent of the earth's surface with solar to generate all of the power that man currently uses. If it is done right, much of this area could come from already used land areas, such as on houses or buildings or on their properties. This would be best because the energy removed by the solar panels would be used and then returned to the same place that it came from. Heat could also be harvested from the panels to heat water and the buildings as necessary. It is true that much work will need to be done to convince those in charge to do such things. The alternative is to use up the coal, oil, and natural gas and have many people die due to not having the fertilizers, etc. that those resources provide. Electric cars will only be able to take the market when one charge can give a range of 300 to 400 miles and a recharge can be done in the time that it takes to fill a current vehicle's gas tank. That will be some time yet. That is why I think that hydrogen is the way to go at present for vehicles.

When you understand that the structure of an atom contains a complex field structure and that the electron is composed of motions that are continually moving around in it and has its own field structure, it is easy to see that the math needed to model the complete structure will be more complex than what is currently used by man to try to understand it. I find it very interesting that man has not long ago determined that energy photons and matter particles and angular and simple linear motions are all constructed of the same basic material, which is motion because the results of high energy collisions between matter particles, like two protons, yield large numbers of matter particles, and energy photons that could only have been constructed of the great amount of linear kinetic motion of the initial two protons. Once this determination is made and it is determined how simple linear motions can be combined to construct energy photons and matter particles, it is an easy step to see that fields can be constructed out of simple linear motions.

You are welcome. I like to pass on what information that I can to all that can and will receive it.

Sincerely,

Paul

The machine had logged me out before I sent the previous comment, so it came out as anonymous.

Paul

Anything that is possible with hydrogen gas should be done, although transporting it from Africa, where the sun shines, to the industrial centra will probably be rather expensive.

I find the language that an "atom contains a complex field structure" somewhat confusing, as according to me a complex field is only a representation of whatever happens inside an atom. So what does "contains" mean? Interestingly, in the 19th century the older generation thought that the Maxwell equations were nihilistic, as the oldies thought that it made no sense to have waves without having an oscillating medium. You cannot have water waves without having water, either. Einstein simply stated that there is no ether. So we have waves without there being anything waving. I love the Maxwell equations, but also wonder what we mean with the word "physics". I have recently been reading about thermal field theory, which Is based on analytic continuation of time; when time is made into a complex variable, then the methods of quantum field theory apply to statistical mechanics. This is possible simply because the Z (which comprises t) of statistical mechanics looks like the action of quantum field theory, except that the latter comprises "it". so if you make time t into a complex variable then it works. This is purely a mathematical trick, as nobody understands what a complex time should mean.

    This is in reply to your post Dated Mar. 24, 2020 @ 21:26 GMT

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    Respected Professor Paul N Butler

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    1. You are right about the problems. As I covered in my paper the root cause is that man has laws written into him that are contrary to the laws that are in accordance to love for one another. This causes men to act in ways that are not best for others or even themselves in the long run................

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    Well said, love is expiring and Money is ruling.............................

    ..............Your words.................... It is right that most researchers want to support mainstream physics because they want to get the financial support to live off of and to do their research. They do this because they realize that the rules of those in control are such that if they present anything contrary to mainstream physics concepts, they will not get that support. ........................... My reply.....................................

    Yes you are correct, People should not do any thinking on their own, Main stream is correct, that's it. No arguments.

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    Those in control made those rules to support their own public credibility and financial situation because they realize that if some new concept shows that they have made errors or if the new theory fills in blanks in understanding that they were not able to, they will appear to be less competent than the new person who could correct or fill in with new information. This reasoning is valid to them because of their built-in law that self-survival is more important than group survival and progress. Only love for others can overpower that law.

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    Well said, I will add, if the mainstream fails, pour more money and cook up results. There no love for humanity or scientific progress.

    I will continue to next post please...

    Best

    =snp

      Respected Prof Butler

      This is in continuation to my above post

      Thank you for all your best wishes for my essay, I am giving my highest appreciation to your excellent essay

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      2. It looks like your hypothesis is still the same and you still have not seen any experimental evidence for the concept that light photon's frequencies are increased when they approach a large mass and are not decreased again as they later travel away from the large mass. I have not seen any such evidence either. ............................. My reply .....................................

      How can I? I don't have finance. I retired from my simple steel plant job in 2014. I don't have any earning except my old savings, prices are going up. Where can I get money??? Can you please support me to do this job????

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      It is possible to propel two drops of water of equal mass toward each other with very low velocity, such that when they come together, they will form a single larger drop. If it is done in the earth's gravity field you have to be high enough up in the air that they have time to come together before they hit anything else. At a larger scale, many pieces of rock hit the earth every day. Most of them are very small, but some are large enough to cause wide spread damage. I believe that you are right that there will not be any large collapsed lump of all bodies in the universe. The universe will end long before that could possibly happen. ............................. My reply .....................................

      In a Static Universe Model, when all bodies left on gravitation they will collapse into a LUMP. But Dynamic Universe model simulations showed when the masses are not EQUAL even to the extent 0.00000000000000001 % (This is the accuracy of My PC, 16 digits) difference in the masses of the individual bodies, they will start rotating about each other and move Dynamically. They will never collapse into lump even after trillions of years. They will be rotating about each other in a Dynamic Equilibrium.

      When the bodies are of unequal masses like earth and man or Jupiter and neutrino , the larger mass will change the path of the smaller body depending on its velocity.

      Your case of equal water droplets, when they are directed toward each other exactly, they will form a bigger droplet. When there a difference of in their masses even to the extent 0.00000000000000001 %, they will rotate about each other. They will not collapse.

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      I am not sure if you are asking me for my email address or my postal address, but if you give me your email address, I will send it to you.

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      My address is

      SNP.Gupta

      1B, Street 57, Sector 8

      Bhilai 490006, C.G.

      India

      WhatsApp / Phone: +918770714799

      Mail: snp.gupta@gmail.com

      Best Regards

      =snp

      Respected Prof Martin van Staveren,

      The following message was sent to me by Professor Paul N Butler to post as reply, he sent me by mail. This problem happened to me also twice

      Best Regards

      =snp

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      "Dear Martin van Staveren I have a return comment to you ready to send, but I can't login to my account because it says that it does not recognize my email address. I will get it to you if FQXI gets the problem fixed. If you or anyone else wishes me to send any answers to any comments you send to me on my paper's page before then, you can put an email address in the comment to me and I will send my comment to you that way. This puts me at a great disadvantage in this contest, since you can't make any comments to anyone without being able to first login to your account."

      Sincerely,

      Paul

      "

      This is a copy of Paul Butler's comment to Martin van Staveren on Mar. 29, 2020.

      Dear Martin,

      The good thing about solar energy is that it is available everywhere to one degree or another. It gives the greatest year around total at and near the equator, but where I am in the middle of the U.S.A. I could get adequate levels for my needs year around and some excess in the summer half of the year. It should not be much of a problem making enough extra above immediate electrical grid needs to produce enough hydrogen gas in the U.S., but some of it might need to be transported from the southern states to the northern states. Since there are already existent transport networks for natural gas and propane gas, etc., the technology is already there to build the pipelines and truck and train, etc. transport methods needed for hydrogen gas. If natural gas use was discontinued much of the existent natural gas system could be used with some modifications. Homes that now use natural gas could be heated with hydrogen gas as well as with natural gas and they would already be piped into the network. Only minor changes would be needed. Countries located far to the north or south would have the most problems generating enough electricity and hydrogen gas. Canada would be one example of such countries. They might need to import much of theirs' from the countries near to the equator, but there are already large tanker ships that transport natural gas from places with an excess like the U.S. to other countries around the world that need it, so it would not require any new technologies to do it.

      My previous papers in this contest from when the contests began to the present, cover much about the structure of field particles, energy photons, and matter particles and you can refer to them to get a more detailed understanding of things, but when I talk about an atom's field structure I am not talking about everything that happens inside an atom, but just the internal flow of field particles within the matter particles that keeps the internal photons in those particles from directly interacting with each other in the nucleus of the atom and their external field particle flows outside the nucleus of the atom that contain the nucleus matter particles from escaping from the nucleus and provide the structure to capture and control electrons outside of the nucleus of the atom. To give a very basic overview, Field particles are composed of simple linear motions that travel in some 3D composite direction with a motion amplitude (speed) that is at or below the speed of light. They don't contain an angular motion like those in energy photons and matter particles. This means that they have such a small interaction cross section that the probability of an individual field particle interacting with anything is so small as not to happen. The interaction cross section is basically the area around the structural point of a particle in which an interaction can occur. The cross section of a field particle is equal to the size of its structural point, which is extremely small. An energy photon not only contains a structural point that is traveling at the speed of light, it also contains a fourth dimensional motion that interfaces with the lower three dimensions at a ninety-degree angle in the same way that the lower three dimensions interface with each other. This motion at ninety degrees to the direction of travel of the photon creates a much greater interaction cross section for a photon, so they can much more likely interact with each other and with matter particles, which also have large angular motions within them and so also have large interactional cross sections. Field particles can interact with each other and with energy photons and matter particles under certain conditions. It is possible to get them to interact with each other when a very large number of field particles are channeled through a small space and aimed at another very large group of field particles coming in the opposite direction, such as when two magnets with like poles facing each other are held close together. They can interact with an electron in an atom when the electron contains more motion than its stable level so that it rides into a more dense field area at a higher level in the atom instead of in the low density field area between two high density field spheres in the atom like it would if it contained the motion quantity that it would normally have according to its mass and positioning relative to other electrons in the atom. In such an interaction the electron gives up its excess motion to a field particle, which would cause the field particle to travel faster than the speed of light, but the excess motion above the speed of light exceeds the transfer threshold to allow motion to travel into the fourth dimension and is transferred into the particle's fourth dimensional motion. This fourth dimensional motion gives it frequency, wavelength, and dynamic mass effects that turn it into an energy photon, which then travels off in some direction away from the atom. Such an electron probably received its excess motion from an earlier interaction with an energy photon, which gave up its fourth dimensional motion to the electron, which caused the photon to be changed into a field particle. In essence field particles make up what could be called the ether, but only interact under certain circumstances such as those mentioned. Fields exist at all size levels of structure and are responsible for joining most things together.

      An energy photon contains two simple linear motions. The first is a field particle that travels in some 3D composite direction at the speed of light. The second is a simple linear motion that travels back and forth in the very small fourth dimension. The motion travels first to one end of the fourth dimension and since the dimensional end barrier cannot receive the motion it is reflected back in the opposite direction and travels to the other end of the fourth dimension where the same thing happens. This cyclical back and forth motion cycle continues as long as the motion exists in the fourth dimension. Only the center part of the fourth dimension that is equal in size to the motion that travels in it is connected to our three-dimensional structure. On either side of that a space that is also equal to the size of the motion exists. As the motion reaches one end of the fourth dimension, it moves completely out of our three-dimensional structure. If the photon has an interaction at this point, none of the fourth dimensional motion can be transferred to the interaction, so the photon behaves just like a field particle and will not usually interact when in this condition. As the motion moves toward the center of the fourth dimension some of its motion can transfer during an interaction and when it is in the center position, all of the fourth dimensional motion can be transferred during an interaction. This is when an interaction is most likely to occur. If all of the fourth dimensional motion is transferred to another entity during an interaction, the energy photon changes into a field particle. After the motion begins to pass the center of the fourth dimension some of it passes out of our three-dimensional structure. This decreases the amount of the motion that can be transferred during an interaction until at the far end of the fourth dimension it passes completely out of our 3D structure and again the photon is like a field particle. The motion then begins to travel back into our 3D structure, but in the opposite direction. All of this action generates the photon's sinewave power structure at ninety degrees to its direction of motion at the speed of light. The greater the fourth dimensional motion is, the quicker it travels through its back and forth cycle, which increases its frequency, the greater its fourth dimensional motion the shorter distance the photon can travel in its direction of motion at the speed of light during one cycle and thus decreases its wavelength. The greater the fourth dimensional motion the more motion it can transfer in an interaction, thus increasing its dynamic mass effect in an interaction. This is why a visible light frequency photon can knock an electron out of an atom in the photoelectric effect, but a lower frequency photon cannot.

      A matter particle starts out as an energy photon (which, of course, contains a field particle at its base). When the photon receives enough motion to exceed the transfer threshold to transfer motion into the fifth-dimension and comes into contact with an angular motion such as the high-density field spheres near the nucleus of an atom the excess fourth-dimensional motion can travel into the particle's fifth dimension. The interface between the fifth-dimension and the lower three dimensions is very different. When motion is transferred into the fifth-dimension it begins to drain back down into the lower three dimensions in cyclical rotation from one dimension to the second-dimension and then into the third- dimension. The cycle then repeats. The transfer begins in a dimension at a zero level and then increases to a maximum level and then decreases back to a zero level again and overlaps so that just as the transfer into dimension one reaches the maximum level the transfer into dimension two begins and increases to the maximum level just as the transfer to dimension one reaches the zero level or ends. At that same point motion flow into the third-dimension begins and reaches its maximum level just as the transfer into the second-dimension ends. At the same time motion transfer begins again into the first-dimension and the cycle continues to repeat. It is actually somewhat more complex than this, but I can't go into that now. When this motion is transferred into the lower three dimensions it causes the photon to take a three-dimensional curved enclosed path that cyclically repeats. This closed path is what we call a matter particle. The great angular motion that is introduced by the curved path gives the matter particle its three-dimensionally balanced static mass effect. As the motion is transferred into the lower three dimensions the speed of the photon would be increased to faster than the speed of light. This extra speed is, therefore, transferred into the fourth dimension. If the photon's wavelength fits properly into the particle's enclosed path, the angular motion component needed to allow it to travel back into the fifth dimension is present and it then travels into the fifth dimension, so it can then travel back into the lower three dimensions again and the interdimensional transfer cycle is complete and the matter particle is stable. If the photon's wavelength does not fit into the enclosed path properly the angular motion component is not present and the motion cannot travel back into the fifth dimension. It drains completely back into the fourth dimension and the particle becomes an energy photon once again, once all of the excess motion has transferred back into the fourth- dimension and it travels off in some direction. As the matter particle's photon travels, its enclosed three-dimensional path it entrains field particles to travel through that path from an input on one side of the path to an output on the other side. This field flow through the particle is its internal field. The input and output follow the photon as it travels its path and, therefore, continually change their positions on the path. This causes a spherical flow of field particles around the matter particle. The photon's fourth-dimensional motion cycle servos the flow of field particles through the matter particle from a zero-flow level to a maximum flow level and then back to a zero level in a continuous cyclical pattern. The net effect of this is to produce a series of spherical fields around the matter particle that vary from a zero-field flow level to a maximum level and then back down to the zero level. The innermost spherical high-density field contains or traps the matter particle within it. When two matter particles come together with enough kinetic motion to allow them to overcome each other's external fields by passing through them, but don't have enough kinetic motion to allow them to pass back out again, their external fields join together to form a single external field. The innermost high-density sphere contains the matter particles or keeps them from escaping the atom. The internal fields of the matter particles keep the matter particles' internal photons from interacting with each other. The external field spheres attract electrons. As an electron passes through these spherical fields, it begins to be attracted in the opposite direction by the spheres that it has already passed through. When the attraction in both directions is about equal the electron comes to a stop in its travel toward the atom's center in a low-density field area between two high density field spheres. This is its stable position. Its path around the atom is controlled by the field flow around it.

      That gives a very basic understanding of the structure and interactions of field particles, energy photons, and matter particles. I have, of course, left out many details, but have tried to give you an idea of how they are constructed and act internally and interact externally with each other. If you understand things at this level, you can see why I said an atom has a complex field structure" and you know more than most of the people on this planet." This has become a very long comment to just cover this much.

      As you can see energy photons do not need a medium for wave transfer because they contain internal motions that produce the wave effects.

      Time is not a self-existent entity or dimension. It is merely a relationship between a motion and the distance that it travels, which can vary from one motion to another because they can contain different motion amplitude levels. I gave more on this in my comments above to Shawn Halayka on Mar. 22, 2020 and on Mar. 23, 2020 on my paper's site.

      I hope these things help.

      Sincerely,

      Paul

        14 days later

        Thank you for entering the comment that I sent to you via email onto my paper's page as I requested for you to do. I can now login to my account again, so you can send me any comments on this page again if you wish and I will try to respond to them. If there is anything that you would like to know that you would prefer not to have open for all to see, you can contact me at the email address that I gave to you.

        Sincerely,

        Paul

        Dear Satyavarapu,

        Thank you for giving Martin van Staveren my request for him to give me his email address, so I could email my reply to his comment to him when I could not logon to my account. I can now log on again so you can now send me comments again on this page if you wish to and I will try to respond to them. Of course, if there is anything that you would like to talk to me about that you would not want others to see, you can contact me on the email address that I gave to you. Would you mind if I enter my reply to your last comment to me that I emailed to you on this page for others to see also? I also just checked and don't have the email from you that contains your new paper. You can email it to me at the address that I gave to you in my email to you.

        Sincerely,

        Paul

        7 days later

        This is a copy of my comment to Cristinel Stoica on her paper's page on Apr 19, 2020

        Dear Cristnel,

        I read your paper and find it to be very interesting. It appears that you have the understanding that each thing has an internal structure or nature that gives rise to the types of interactions that it can have with other things and what the possible outcomes from those interactions can be. This internal structure is composed of two parts, which are the basic material(s) or substance(s) that the thing is composed of and the way that the material(s) or substance(s) are put or joined together in the thing to make it, so that it behaves in the way that it does in external interactions with other things.

        From observation, it is easy to see that the structure of the whole creation is composed of many structural levels joined together to form a complex hierarchical overall structure. As an example, at the highest hierarchical structural level of large scale things that we can see and manipulate readily, they are often composed of many smaller structures that we can see to be different from each other, such as a rock with a vein of iron rust in it, etc. all joined together into the single rock. You can define its structure at this level to be all of the different materials that you can observe in the rock. The rock as a whole or the materials that are contained within it can interact with other things at this level to produce various outcome results. With more detailed observation it can be seen that some of the materials in the rock can be broken down chemically into more simple material structures, such as iron rust can be broken down into iron and oxygen, etc., but the iron and oxygen cannot be broken down further chemically. The iron rust is, therefore, composed of two basic materials, which are combined or structured together in such a way as to produce the external interactional results that iron rust generates in interactions with other things. After performing many observational experiments, you can determine all of the basic materials that can't be further broken down chemically into simpler materials and can then make a table of them. At this hierarchical level, you could, if given enough time, determine all of the possible structures that can be made from them and learn all of their possible interactions with each other, etc. You can then call these composite structures (like iron rust) molecules and the smallest part of the most basic materials can be called atoms. Those who were in the science community at that time could easily consider atoms to be small balls of matter. The facts that there were over ninety different atoms and if you then try to break each of these most basic materials down to their smallest part, you find that the mass effect of the smallest part of the material is different for each of them, (they were of more or less of incrementally increasing mass) which implies that they may be made up of some still smaller structure(s) , but that could be easily ignored at that time.

        If you then crash heavy atoms together you find that they can be broken down into two lighter atoms, thus proving that all of the basic atoms are constructed of some more basic substance(s) that are the same in all of them. At this hierarchical level, you can call these more basic materials sub-atomic particles and you can begin to find ways that you can isolate them and see how they interact with each other, etc. As these sub-atomic matter particles were discovered it became apparent that generally all atoms and, thus all matter was basically composed of three sub-atomic particles, the proton, the neutron, and the electron. At this level you can see that these three particles are much fewer than the over ninety atoms at the previous hierarchical level of structure. Scientists still liked to look at these sub-atomic matter particles as very small balls of matter.

        Over time it became apparent that the protons and neutrons were composite particles composed of three more basic particles called quarks while the electron was a basic particle. This meant that all matter is basically composed of four basic particles at this hierarchical structural level. Even though these basic particles exhibit wave behaviors and various outcomes from interactions, etc. that indicate that they have internal structures containing internal motions within them that then affect their external interaction outcomes with each other, these indications have been mostly ignored by the current scientific community, so they can still look at them as little balls of matter.

        If you crash these sub-atomic particles together at very high speeds, you can observe that the interactional outcomes can destroy the particles and, in the process, several new matter particles can be produced that contain more rest mass than the amount contained in the two original sub-atomic particles. Energy photons can also be produced. The greater the linear speed of the particles before the interaction, the greater is the number and total mass of the matter particles and energy photons that are produced by the interaction. Since the only thing that differs is the amount of linear motion of the particles, it becomes apparent that some of the particles that are produced in an interaction are produced by the linear motion of the particles before the interaction. Since energy photons are also produced in these interactions, it is apparent that they are also produced by the linear motions that were contained in the matter particles before the interaction. From this we can observationally determine that at this hierarchical level matter particles and energy photons are composed of the material or substance of basic linear motion. Of course, if they are both composed of the same material or substance, that substance must be put together or structured differently in each of them so as to produce the different interactional output results of both entities. I have gone down one more hierarchical level than man in this world is generally familiar with, but I have done so in order to bring out some points that would not usually be easily understood otherwise.

        First you should see that at each hierarchical level there is a type of structural material that seems to be the acceptable understanding of what a basic structural material is to those who are at that level without any knowledge that material structure can be broken down farther than it is at that level. From this you can see that the concept of the basic structural material of things should include an understanding of what it means at all hierarchical levels. It also becomes apparent that what is considered a basic structural material at one hierarchical structural level can be much different than that of another level. One general pattern that becomes clear is that as you progress down into smaller levels, the total number of basic materials at each level tends to decrease. Notice that at the level of the structural material of matter particles and energy photons there is only one basic structural material, which is linear motion. At this level fields are also composed of simple linear motion field particles. It is, therefore, currently possible from analyzing current observational information to determine the most basic structural substance from which all things are made. The problem is that most people look at things from the current maximum hierarchical level about which information has been currently obtained and understood by them and try to build the next level using the concepts that are currently understood at that level when we live in a world that contains a whole range of levels in which differences exist between the levels. If you can change from just looking at the current level to looking at the whole range of known levels, your mind can be opened to see that the next level may be much different than you would otherwise be able to understand and accept. You can then look at the current experimental observational data in a whole new light, which will allow you to see obvious things that others pass up because they don't know how to fit them into their current theories. As an example, you can see that science is about understanding both the ways that things interact with each other and also understanding the nature of the things that interact with each other. The understanding of the nature of a thing at one hierarchical structural level comes when the next lower level becomes understood. At one hierarchical level atoms are things that can interact with each other, but you don't know the nature of the atom, but at the next lower structural level you know that the nature of the atom is that it contains sub-atomic particles that are located and move around in the atom in certain ways, etc. Things are much more dynamic than we like to think that they are because we like to think of things to be very simple when in reality, they make up a very complicated multilayer structure of motions. Right now, man wants to believe that matter particles are the most basic level of matter structure and don't have any internal working or moving parts, but all of the observational data says otherwise. The good thing is that matter particles, energy photons, and field particles are all explained at the next structural level to be composed of only one basic substance.

        Consciousness is another area where people limit themselves to what they currently understand. The first big assumption is that it is completely contained in the matter structure of the brain. When you understand that our minds are constructed of two parts, which are our spirits and our souls and understand that our spirits generate our intents of what we will do and send those intents to our souls, which translate the intents into the thoughts that our bodies can understand and then our bodies do the work to carry out the intents of our spirits you then have a good basis to build an understanding of what consciousness is and how it works. In the Christian Scriptures it says that "God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." We can easily see that our bodies are composed of the dust of the ground (matter), but the breath of life is mentioned as a separate thing outside of matter. Our spirits are also outside of matter. When our spirits generate intents the part of our souls that are the breath of life can receive and understand those intents and can translate them into the thoughts that our bodies can understand through the part of our souls that are composed of the dust of the ground (our brains) and send them to our body parts through our nervous system. Our bodies then act upon those thoughts to carry out the intents of our spirits. Because of this structure, any attempt to explain all of consciousness as brain functions will ultimately fail.

        The second assumption is that consciousness is limited to what our mind can directly observe and/or control. There are many processes that continually go on in our bodies that require interactions with our spirits and souls. We are aware of some of these things, such as the need to take a breath periodically. Our spirits and souls must be conscious of and work together to control these processes most of which we are not aware of at our higher hierarchical structural level of consciousness. When the spirit leaves the body, the intents needed to continue these processes no longer occur and the body dies. This is why God says "The body without the spirit is dead." At our hierarchical level of consciousness our minds work mainly at the level of our bodys' sense inputs to observe both our internal structure and operation, etc. and also the structure and operation of the world around us. Our minds have the ability to store records of our current sense inputs so that we can later recall them and compare them to the current sense inputs to see what has changed in the world around us since they were recorded. This is what gives us our sense of the past even though the past does not actually exist. After recalling many previous records and comparing them, we can see patterns of change that allow us to predict that some things will continue to change in specific ways. This gives us a sense of the future even though that does not really exist either. We live in a motion continuum. The conditions of all of the motions in the universe that existed, but no longer exist because motions have moved to new locations in space are the past, but the past does not currently exist, because the motions have now moved from those positions into their current positions. The conditions of all motions that will exist, but do not currently exist because the motions have not yet moved to those positions in space are the future, but the future does not currently exist because the motions have not yet moved into those positions. Only the present actually exists, which is the current positions of all of the motions in the universe. The only way that a complete past and future could exist, so that someone could go into any point in the past or future is if a whole complete copy of the universe exists for each movement of any motion in the universe from one point in space to any other point in space. This would mean at least an almost infinite number of complete copies of the universe would have to exist. This would certainly not be according to the Occam's razor principle. There are also a multitude of other problems with the concept of a time dimension, but I will not go into those now because this comment is getting big, so I will end it now.

        Sincerely,

        Paul

          Hi Paul...

          Thank you for another thoughtfully written, and thought provoking essay.

          I agree that a math model as a geometry structure is more precise than any semantics structure, and if the geometry structure verifiably facilitates a process, it can enhance one's understanding of the process, and subsequently application of the process.

          REF: - Topic: "Modeling Universal Intelligence" by Sue Lingo

          or as an .html document "Modeling Universal Intelligence" by Sue Lingo

          Imprecise language embeds dogma in science and religion.

          For linguistic precision, an entity and a process are differentiated herein.

          Many of the weaknesses of man that you elaborate on are a consequence of a lack of a precise definition of "God"... i.e. if one defines "God" as an entity, and "Love" as a process, to say that "God = Love" does not equate.

          In conventional digital programing languages, if a function is called before it is defined (DEF FN), an "UNDEFINED USER FUNCTION" error occurs.

          As a consequence of an undefined function FN"Love", "If you Love me you will do what I want you to do.", has become a standard model of "Love".

          As a consequence of an undefined function FN"God", "We are God's chosen.", became a standard power trip several thousands of years ago.

          One could be more precise in their definition of "God", and say that "God" = "the fundamental process of Energy distribution throughout all Space and Time".

          God defined as a process facilitates "God"= the process of "Love", but requires one to verify the fundamental process of Energy distribution throughout all Space and Time... i.e. the Quantum Theory... in order for one to know "Love" for or from another.

          In a similar manner, many of the holes in the standard model are a consequence of a lack of a precise definition of "Energy", and to say that Energy = accelerated "stuff" equates Energy as an entity, to a phenomena.

          One could be more precise in their definition of Energy and say that E=mc^2, but to defines mass in precise terms requires one to verify the fundamental process of Energy distribution throughout Space and Time... i.e. the Quantum Theory.

          As a consequence of mass as an indeterminate variable, "Multi-verses", "zero point or vacuum energy sources", "quantum foam", are being embedded in media credentialed "standard" interpretations of Space-Time Reality.

          Sue Lingo

          UQS Author/Logician

          www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

            This is a copy of Cristinel Stoica's comment to me on her paper's page on Apr. 20, 2020

            Dear Paul,

            Thank you very much for providing your interesting views about these important problems. The first 2/3 of your comment, it appears to me, you argue that we can know the nature of things, because things are made of other things. I call this "structure" and I consider it to be relations, not relata. And by nature of things I mean relata, ontology. You seem to mean structure. So you are right, if you mean structure, then maybe we can know it, at least we managed to know a great deal of it so far. But this has nothing to do with what I mean by "nature of things". By the way, when you say "matter particles, energy photons, and field particles are all explained at the next structural level to be composed of only one basic substance", you mean that there is always a next structural level? Then if this never ends, how can we know the nature of things? If it does end, how can the nature of things be known by knowing the next level, when there is no next level?

            Then you talk about "soul" and "spirit", which you don't define, but quote from the Bible. If you'd try to define them rigorously, you would find that you can only talk about their relations and structures, as in what I mean by S. There is a part you can't talk about rigorously, their nature, which is the ontology of S. I tried to be as general as possible, and leave room for various explanations of consciousness, including dualism, which may be what you have in mind. In this case S and P are different. I tried to discuss various possible explanations, dualism included, in my longer essay The negative way to sentience. I tried to leave open all possibilities and see how they can make empirical predictions.

            As for your arguments for presentism, you missed the point again. What I said is that you can't prove it by science, which is only about relations, because there is no relational stuff that highlights the present. This doesn't mean that presentism is wrong. You seem to think though that you can prove by an Occam's razor argument that only present exists. For an Occam's razor argument in the opposite direction, check Theorem 6 in my longer essay The negative way to sentience. You'll see that trying to include it rigorously in a theory to make it presentist complicates it. Also note that people use Occam's razor to "prove" things, when they mean in fact that it would be simpler for their views that things are in a certain way and not another. For example, other people use Occam's razor to deny God, which I think you wouldn't like. Occam's razor is one of the most abused things, since complexity is often relative to one's world view (for example Chaitin-Kolmogorov complexity, but also the lengths of proofs depend on the axiomatic system and there are many other examples). Returning to the problem of time, I see you rely much on Christianity in some aspects, why not when it's about time? You can check the writings of St. Anselm of Canterbury and St. Augustine for this. Also, if you want to know what I mean by negative way, I borrowed this from theology, it's an idea that appears including in Christian writings. I didn't mean my essay to have theological implications, but I think that the method of science itself is a via negativa in a sense similar to that used in these writings. I think this is a nice idea which has implications that we know much little than we think, whether we're talking about God (which is the original place where the idea appeared), but also when we talk about the nature of things, when we judge other people, or in the scientific method.

            Cheers,

            Cristi

            This is a copy of my comment to Cristinel Stoica on her paper's page on Apr. 24, 2020

            Dear Cristinel,

            After I sent my previous comment to you, I noticed that I didn't get the second letter i entered in your name. Sorry about that.

            It appears that we are using different definitions or different parts of the definition for the word nature. When I talk about the nature of something in the immediate primary sense, I am talking about what it is. If it is a thing like a matter particle, for example, I mean what substance(s) it is made of and how is that substance(s) organized, structured, or built up in it to make it to be the way that it is. If it is not static, but contains one or more active functional internal processes going on within it, what are they and how do they work. If it interacts internally with other thing(s) in such a way that it and the other thing(s) act as a unit together in some way, what is that and how does it work. Also, how and in what way(s) does it interact with other external things. There are other parts to the meaning of the word nature that can apply under certain circumstances like the thing's origin or source of its existence, but I don't usually go into that unless I think that the person that I am talking to will likely have the ability to understand and also the desire to understand because it took me over twenty two years of scientific study to come to the conclusion that the creation could not have come about naturally by itself, but had to have been created by a being that exists outside of it, existed before it, and is extremely intelligent to have allowed him to have been able to create it. He would also need to be powerful enough to create it, of course, and possess the resources needed to make it, etc. I came to this conclusion after analyzing such concepts as evolution, the various creation from nothing arguments, the arguments for how the first living creature came into existence, and the possibility that evolution could have created all of the various living creatures that exist now and those that have existed in the past, but have gone extinct, in fourteen billion years, etc. I found that the math just does not add up to allow for natural random creation to occur. Once I came to the conclusion that God had to exist, I looked at various religious documents and found that only the Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament contained the information about the creation that I had found during all of those years of research. I had searched through man's scientific works and did not find that anyone else had found and come to understand such things. For the most part, man still has not understood these things although I have freely given out some of them over the last ten years. Of course, it may be that there are those who work in the secret (black) scientific community who have received the things that I have given out and understood them, because man in that community has come to understand how to make plasma field engines and cloaking devices for high speed air and space vehicles, etc. that indicate that such concepts may be at least somewhat understood by them. Of course, it is possible to make structured field engines without the plasma effect, but as far as I know they have not yet gotten that far. My point is that I did not find this information in any of man's works, or in any of the other religious texts, but it is clearly in the sources mentioned above which were written more than two thousand years ago. As I have continued to search these scriptures, I have found that they also contain much information about many other things. I mentioned a few of them in my previous comment. One of the problems of current science structure is that the concept that the creation was made by a being rather than by some natural cause is automatically considered to be unscientific. This is usually based on the lack of our ability to directly observe God. At the same time man has had no problem believing in the existence of molecules, atoms, and matter particles, etc. long before they became even indirectly observable from the way that things interacted with each other. If we look at the creation from the standpoint of the ways things are made and how they interact with each other it becomes apparent that what we call intelligence had to have been involved in its creation. First it is constructed in a multilevel hierarchical form starting with simple structures and combining them together into sub-assemblies, which are then combined into still more complex assemblies, etc. until the total device performs all of the desired functions. This is exactly the way that man who is considered to be intelligent builds complex structures. Secondly, the design is such that each hierarchical level creates a complete environment of actions and capabilities to operate at that level internally within each object and externally in interactions with other entities. As an example, at the top large scale object level of structure even if you don't know anything about the smaller hierarchical levels of its molecules, atoms, and sub-atomic matter particles, you can use stone to build buildings and other large scale structures because of its compression strength and other properties that it has at the large scale. This was designed to allow man to use large scale objects before he was able to understand anything about the smaller hierarchical levels of structure. This has allowed man to develop at a controlled rate of progress by providing the keys to the next level at the desired time. The discovery of the next level gives man new abilities of use of the materials to allow for controlled advancement. Man uses similar hierarchical structuring in the complex things that he makes. As an example, a computer programmer who understands the C programming language can write useful programs without any understanding that when a C language instruction is executed it likely causes the execution of a large number of machine language instructions in the next lower hierarchical level of structure or that the machine language instructions execute hexadecimal coded words at the next level and those words actually are executed in the binary form by the computer circuitry in the next level or that the binary likely takes the form of an electronic or magnetic circuit that can be in one of two states at the hardware level, etc. The higher C language level will likely produce a larger program than would be necessary and do things less efficiently than if it was written in machine language, so there is an advantage of also knowing how to program at that lower hierarchical level, but it is not necessary to produce a program that will accomplish the task. It is the same with the creation's hierarchical levels. New doors of knowledge of the next lower levels can be given out at the desired time for man to understand them, thus opening up more new abilities for man when appropriate, but from the beginning man was able to live and function adequately just using information provided at the top level of structure. To get the complete understanding of the nature of something you have to understand its complete structure at all hierarchical levels, but when you are operating within only one or a portion of those levels, it is adequate to define the objects being to be the substance(s) and structure(s) and the structure's internal operations, and external interactions included within the level(s) being used at the time. From this and other things it should be apparent that creation was designed to start man out with a very limited understanding of the world around him, but to increase his understanding over time as necessary or as desired by the creator.

            If all things are made of just one thing and that thing is simple linear motion, then you have reached the end of that chain of structure because all you have in existence is simple linear motions and the dimensional system that they move in. From there the only other thing to understand is the structure of the dimensional system that allows the linear motions to move in it in such a way as to construct field particles, energy photons, and matter particles. Once that is accomplished a complete understanding of what we call the universe can be understood. The only thing lacking is that you still could not indirectly observe matter particles, energy photons and field particles. There is a next level of structure, however. Once it is understood that a matter particle is formed by transferring some of an energy photon's motion into its fifth dimensional motion and that this motion then returns down into the lower three dimensions in a sequential manner, such that it causes the photon to take a curved path that encloses back upon itself to form a repetitive cyclical three dimensional enclosed path and that path and the photon traveling in it is what we call a matter particle and that If you then add linear motion to it to accelerate that matter particle toward the speed of light, some of the added motion is transferred into its fourth and fifth dimensional motions, you can then see that the motion added to its fifth dimensional motion causes an increase in the curvature of the matter particle's enclosed path. This causes it to become smaller. The closer you get to the speed of light the larger is the portion of the added motion that is transferred into the particle's fifth dimensional motion and the rate of reduction in its size greatly increases. The next step is to understand how interactions between matter particles work. There is what is called an interaction cross-section. Interactions generally do not occur between field particles because their structural points of their motions are very small making it very unlikely that they will intersect each other and come together to interact. Energy photons on the other hand not only possess a field particle in each of them that travels at the speed of light, they each also possess a fourth dimensional motion that travels at ninety degrees from its direction of travel. This gives a much larger cross-sectional area in which an interaction can occur and thus increases the likelihood that two photons can interact with each other. If one photon possesses a very high fourth dimensional motion amplitude (it generates a very high frequency) and another one has a very low motion amplitude in its fourth dimensional motion (it generates a very low frequency) and they move toward each other, the likelihood that the low frequency photon will be in a place in its cross-section where it will interact with the other photon is greatly reduced. Matter particles work in a similar way except instead of a cross-sectional area there is more of a cross-sectional volume. You can look at a matter particle's path as a small three-dimensional sphere. When the paths of two matter particles begin to intersect an interaction can take place, but the photons within them must be located on their paths, such that they will intersect at a time that their fourth dimensional motions are also in the proper positions within each of them to allow the interaction to take place during the time that their paths still intersect each other. Again, if one particle is very small because it possesses a large fifth dimensional motion amplitude because it is traveling close to the speed of light and the other particle is much slower in that respect, which means that it is much larger, the likelihood of an interaction is greatly reduced. If you visualize the small particle intersecting with the motion path of the much larger particle you will see that the small particle will pass completely through the motion path on one side and then travel through most of the larger particle in the internal volume of the larger particle where it can't interact with the larger particle's photon because it is located on the enclosed path of the larger particle and not internally within it. It will then travel through the other side of the larger particle's enclosed path. This greatly decreases the chance of an interaction between the two particles. The net effect is that our energy photons and matter particles can only interact with each other when they are both within a specific frequency range with respect to each other. This means that we live in a universe that only includes energy photons and matter particles that possess frequencies within this range. There are other universes that exist in lower and higher frequency ranges and it is possible to travel to that nice little world in a very small galaxy near, near away in your desk drawer. Of course, if you accelerate close to the speed of light, you can observe the matter particles of our frequency range to understand their composition and operation, etc. If you learn how to slow down your fifth dimensional motion, you could also be as large as one of our galaxies or travel to a very large world in an extremely large galaxy where our galaxy might be in someone else's desk drawer. As to whether there is a bottomless pit of frequency ranges or just a few, etc. is another story. At that point you could completely understand how our frequency range functions and its internal substances and structuring at all hierarchical levels. If all of the other frequency ranges are constructed the same way you could extrapolate that knowledge to all of them and completely understand them all. There is more to the story, of course, but that is enough of that for now.

            My point is that all observational evidence supports the concept that we are continually living in the present. We don't jump back into the past and become a child again once we are grown up. Neither do we go into the future and observe things from that perspective and then jump back to the current present. We can experience the past only in the form of recordings that were made either in our minds or by other devices when that past was the current present. We can only experience a possible future in the form of extrapolations from observed patterns that we observed from past records and from present observations. We cannot actually observe the real future because it has not yet occurred. There is no observable evidence for a continual existence of the past or the future. The relational stuff that highlights the present is the observations of normal continuations of motions in their paths and the expected results from interactions that show a continuation of motion transfers in the normal expected patterns as have been observed to happen over and over in their linear motion flow patterns, etc. Clocks are only useful to us because of this continual orderly motion flow. If the clock were to suddenly start to run backwards because we started to go backward in time to the past or if it suddenly jumped forward 6 hours because we moved into the future, the clock would be useless to us to help us record the continual passage of time. They don't do that, but just continue to move forward at the rate that the motions contained in them provides. I have found that the scriptures themselves, at least in the King James version that is not copyrighted, are very consistent and accurate. The works of men, however, are not. Even those who are said to be followers of Christ, often mix men's science or other works into their works and since man's works are usually at least partially in error they can't be counted on to be completely valid. An example would be when leaders of the Roman church adopted the then current scientific concepts that considered the earth to be the center of the universe and that the sun and planets, etc., went around the earth. When it was later noticed that the planets sometimes went back and forth they just added the concept of epicycles to try to explain them away, so that they would not be seen to have made an error. Ironically, today I see just the opposite in that atheists now in the same way often make up many obviously false theories to try to continue to support concepts like natural creation of the universe or of living creatures, etc. even though current scientific observational evidence no longer supports such concepts as practical. To get a complete understanding of anything it is necessary to both understand what is in that thing (the positive way) as well as what is not in it (the negative way). Both approaches used simultaneously work best. Yes it is not just limited to science.

            I am not sure what you mean about the relata and ontology that is not about the structure or relations of things. Please give me what you would consider to be the relata and ontology of matter particles that does not include the structure or relations of them. If you can, give it to me in non-mathematical terms.

            Sincerely,

            Paul

            Dear Sue,

            You are welcome. I started to read your paper, but I have limited ability to do so at this point in the motion continuum to finish it due to the intrusion of other motion structures in interaction with me. Just trying to be somewhat precise in semantic structure.

            Even though math in all of its forms is just another part of man's mostly abstract language structure, there was a time when I would have agreed with you that math structure is more precise than other language structures, but I have found that it also has its limitations.

            1. It is still limited to the user's understanding of structure. If there is a lack of understanding of the full depth of a structure in all of its substance(s) the structuring of its substance(s), and all of its processes, etc. the results of a math model of the structure will either be incomplete or at least partially false. As an example, defining God to be an entity and love to be a process is an incomplete understanding of both. Anything that exists is an entity of one form or another, so it is true that God is an entity, but the structure of an entity can include many processes that operate within and are parts of its structure. Thus if God contains the process of love as part of his structure and his structure is the source of that process, then it is proper to say that God is love because all other entities that possess love received it from him as the only initial source of it and thus become subsets of the master set of all things made by God. The word (is) is not limited to the concept of equal to. It can apply to just one or a subset of the sum total of the parts or processes contained in the master set that is represented by the name of the entity. In that sense you can say that the word (is) is less precise than =, but if you mean =, you can just use the word equal which is a semantic form that has the same meaning. The word love represents a process, but it is a process that cannot exist outside of an entity to produce it and it, therefore, requires an entity as a source of the process to bring it into existence, support its operation, and to make it meaningful in the specific intent of accomplishment of its intended use in the specific case to be represented. Moreover, an entity can also be a process. A simple linear motion is an entity and all fields, energy photons, and matter particles in the universe are composed of them, but they are also processes in that they continually change position in space from one position to the next one in some specific composite three-dimensional direction at a specific motion amplitude (speed). This process continues without end. Motions are the only things in the universe that are completely conserved. The things that are composed of those motions such as energy photons and matter particles are not conserved because they can be changed into each other or separated into individual linear motions.

            2. Math expressions are usually more concise in that it is much easier to write E=MC^2 than to write Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Both statements are equivalent, however. It is possible to express any mathematical expression in either form and convey the same meaning in both forms. Although the more condensed form of the math expression is an advantage when working with others who are familiar with their intended use in a particular situation, they can be a source of confusion to those who are not initiated into the group who are using them. This is because the letters, other characters, and symbols used in a math expression have different meanings applied to them in other math expressions. (E) could represent energy or Euler's number, etc. In addition a letter in an expression could represent one or a whole series of other expressions, so it is easy to forget to check that a new intended use of an expression fits not only into the meaning of the surface expression that is used, but also is in accordance with all of the other expressions that are a part of the expression, but are hidden in the background behind the letter(s) used to join them into a single expression.

            3. It is possible to express or model anything that can be expressed or modeled in normal word structures in mathematical forms and vice versa because both forms are parts of man's abstract language form. As models of more complex structures are constructed, new math structures such as set theories have been developed to express them. Each of these new math structures comes with a new set of rules or laws of form and use, which further complicates the attainment of the ability to properly understand and use all of them.

            It is true that imprecise language can result in errors in understanding in both religion and science, but errors in math structure or the understanding of variables, etc. can also cause errors. The greatest source of errors, however, comes in the underlying conceptualizations upon which the words or math models are based. As an example, to form a math model around the assumption that God is "the fundamental process of energy distribution throughout all space and time" will only be valid if that assumption is true. Since space and time are parts of this creation and God would have to exist before this creation in order for him to be there to create it, space and time are not him, but are just parts of his creation. It is true that he entered and distributed all of the motions that make up field particles, energy photons, and matter particles into the spatial system of the earth that he had created in the way that he desired them to be, but he is separate from the creation. He did promise to make images of himself in the creation and I have seen that they do exist throughout the various hierarchical levels of the creation. It is interesting that in the scriptures God says that when people begin to leave him, they get to where they worship the creation rather than the creator.

            You are right that using words or concepts that are not properly defined can lead to errors in understanding. As an example, The phrase "If you love me you will do what I want you to do" probably has its basis in the scriptures where Jesus when talking to a disciple said "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:", and "If a man love me, he will keep my words:" In the first statement above someone might believe that loving someone would be to do whatever he asks you to do, but if you refer back to the scriptural source, you find that it is limited to loving Jesus and by keeping his commandments. When looked at from that perspective, one man loving another is accomplished by keeping God's commandments concerning man. This means that you love someone when you don't kill him because God commanded you not to kill or when he has a need and you give him according to his need as God commanded you to do, etc.

            I have found that man's current understanding of what causes mass effects is still very limited and although the expression E=MC^2 shows that mass and energy are the same thing just in different forms, the understanding of what energy is, also is lacking. When it is all said and done, everything in the universe is composed of linear motions. Angular motions generate mass effects. An energy photon contains a motion that operates at ninety degrees to its direction of motion at the speed of light. During an interaction with an electron in an atom, a visible light photon can exhibit a mass effect that knocks the electron out of the atom in the photoelectric effect. It does this by transferring its fourth dimensional motion to the electron, which is received by the electron as linear kinetic motion. In the process the energy photon is converted into a field particle. In a matter particle, its fifth dimensional motion causes the photon in it to take a curved path that encloses back upon itself to create a three-dimensional cyclical enclosed path. This curved path motion operates at a ninety-degree angle to anything that heads toward the center of the matter particle's path. This angular motion is what gives the matter particle its three-dimensionally stable static mass effect or its ability to resist motion that is applied to it from any direction. In the same way that an energy photon does not need to have an external medium to carry its wave effect because it contains within it a motion that generates it locally, a matter particle also contains a motion within it that generates its static mass effect. No external entities are needed to generate it. Time as a dimension, multiverses, zero point or vacuum energy, and quantum foam do not exist.

            Concerning the chosen of God, none of us can make ourselves chosen of God. God made us such that we have laws written in our flesh that are contrary to God's laws, so that without him we will go against his commandments, which is called sin. In that condition we are worthy of death and cannot save ourselves from that penalty. He made a way for us to have our sins forgiven to avoid that penalty and become God's chosen. He sent his Word into the earth in the form of a man to live a life without sin and then die on the cross as a sacrifice to God for us, so that our sins can be forgiven and we can then become God's chosen. Our part in this is that we must receive him and believe what he says, repent or turn away from sinning and turn to God and ask him to forgive our sins. We must then accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and follow him as our Lord. We then become God's chosen and God comes into us and lives in us and through us out into the world. We become members of his body, which is the purpose for which he made this creation, which is to use it to make a body for himself. Another way to put it is that this creation is God's body manufacturing plant. Once he has made all of his body members or parts, he will no longer need it and will come and reclaim all of the motions that he took from himself to originally build it back into himself, which will essentially burn up this creation. His motions are so much greater than any of those in this world that even the stars will be burned up by his presence. Only his body members will survive. A new heaven and earth will then be made and his body members will live in his body on the new earth without end. As you can see, God has made all of us, such that we need him to save us, so even his chosen have no reason to boast or think of ourselves as any thing better than anyone else. Anyone can make the choices that allows him to become one of God's chosen.

            Sincerely,

            Paul

            10 days later

            Hi Paul...

            As is being conveniently encouraged by FQXi essay comment threads, conceptual convergence of diverse disciplines, is crucial to successful open forum discussions, and I thank you for your thoughtful "add to thread" comments of my review of your essay.

            Many FQXi essay participants are multi-discipline and are thus able to resolve conceptual conflicts resulting from discipline specific language ... e.g. Peter Jackson's architectural orientation allowed him to equate his definition of PHYSICAL as "a 'rotation' big enough to 'couple with' EM fluctuations", to my structural geometry definition of PHYSICAL as "spatial occupancy", thus providing us with a common term to concisely differentiate PHYSICAL from META-PHYSICAL.

            We can now discuss the necessity for both a Quantum Model as associated with the PHYSICAL realm... i.e. Space-Time concepts... and an Ontology Model as associated with the META-PHYSICAL realm... i.e. Spaceless-Timeless concepts... both of which must be consistent with each other, and be defined in terms that facilitate experimental verification of one's observations of one's PHYSICAL and META-PHYSICAL Reality.

            A distinction between a Space-Time Logic structure and a Spaceless-Timeless Logic structure does imply an intelligence/logic framework singularity, and the expression "Space-Time Energy as Cause Energy's Spaceless feeling of Timeless now", does NOT reduce to a mathematical equation unless one resolves a unified unit geometry structure encapsulating a point source directionally unbiased emission of minimum units of spatially defined Time-Space Energy (QE) from a Spaceless-Timeless Cause.

            That being the case, Physicist and Mathematicians tend to dismiss Logicians as "poets", but Physicist Edwin Eugene Klingman, in his capacity as Microprocessor Designer, has come to terms with "One must make metaphysical choice commitments to ontology".

            I agree with him, and as a Logician my internal "self awareness" is committed to a META-PHYSICAL Ontology Logic realm that is clearly differentiated from my PHYSICAL Quantum Model Logic realm, and as a geometrist, observations of Space-Time Energy Reality, mandate a logic singularity structure that facilitates single point source conversion of Timeless-Spaceless Cause Energy into Time-Space Reality Energy, as the basis for my PHYSICAL Quantum Model Logic realm.

            REF Graphic Illustration: Cause Energy Pulsed Emergence as Space-Time Energy http://www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com/UQSMarcelMLTD.jpg

            Beliefs as software circuits... i.e. apps... install potential and/or limitation on one's mental processor, and establishment and commitment to a mental model that facilitates both a PHSICAL and META-PHYSICAL, experimentally verifiable logic basis for one's beliefs, eliminates "UNDEFINED FUNCTION" error messages.

            The more precise the model, the greater one's ability to apply its fundamental processes, and although the model may not survive... e.g. "All are of christ" as attributed to Jesus as a statement of his Q-model, has been media morphed as "Jesus the Christ"... it is one's demonstration of successful application of a model, that survives the test of time.

            External media sources always have, and still do, skillfully distort imprecise semantics, amazingly fast... e.g. one can still find 1945-50ish black and white news reels in which Einstein publically commits to a belief in the "existence of an aether", but polarization of Einstein as an "Atomist" and Tesala as an advocate of aether, is currently profitable media.

            REF: Theoria Apophasis... "Tesala on Ether" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FrjKhmlXek

            It is not my intent to polarize my beliefs and another individual's internally formulated beliefs, and I see no contradiction in christ = minimum/indivisible quanta of Energy (QE)... i.e. QE as graphic elements in a CAD geometry environment facilitate a more precise entity definition to convey prior semantic attempts to conceptualize a unified indivisible substance... e.g.. christ, prana, spirit, rigpa, etc.

            A more precise model can also eliminate semantic language translation preferences... e.g. "Believe me." and "Believe in me" are not equivalent statements.

            If one believes what Jesus said ~"These things and greater shall ye do.", one is not limited, nor does one limit others, in their ability to make application of Jesus's Q-model... i.e. if one can install and make application of a belief that allows one to accept responsibility for "Heal thy self."... physically, mentally, and spiritually... one can be "saved" the consequences of physical, mental, and/or spiritual limitations.

            A more precise model may expose one's commitment to externally administered interpretations... e.g. as a statement of his Ontological Model, Jesus is quoted as saying ~"All is the only son of God.", but "Jesus is the only son of God." is the dominate western cultural media interpretation... and one's mental software may need to take a critical update.

            If a person can successfully demonstrate communication with Absolute Intelligence, it would seemingly be better to investigate their model, than to deify their persona and assign responsibility to that persona for "salvation" from undecideability... i.e. by application of the model one may discover the ability to accept responsibility for their personal communication with Absolute Intelligence.

            Paul, I am looking forward to your review of my essay, and if you should choose to multitask your comments as a test of communication with an Absolute Intelligence, as modeled in my essay... i.e. apply the same logic evaluation criteria to your review comments as I demonstrate in my essay... it will facilitate experimental evidence to evaluate functionality of the UQS integrated PHSICAL/META-PHYSICAL belief suite's Cosmic Consciousness Connection, prior to installing the UQS Model on the mental desktop, as a geometry basis for a structural change in consciousness.

            Sue Lingo

            UQS Author/Logician

            www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

            8 days later

            Dear Sue,

            I work in what was in the past considered to be the accepted way to gain new information, which is to start with what can be currently observed in the world that we live in starting first with what can be directly observed and then using the understanding gained at that level to aid in understanding that which can only be indirectly observed. This works well to understand all of the hierarchical structural levels that man can currently at least indirectly observe. When it comes to the next hierarchical level that cannot yet be observed even indirectly, I look for clues to understanding that level from observations of how that level interacts with the currently lowest level that can be observed. This is the way that scientific understanding has progressed from the beginning of the development of science. Currently the next structural level that cannot be indirectly observed is the level concerning the structural substance that fields, energy photons, and matter particles are composed of and how that substance is structured within each of them to give the specific interaction properties that can be observed in interactions between them. From analysis of this observed interactional information I have determined that they are all composed of simple linear motions, which are structured (built up) differently in each of them so that they each exhibit the specific interactional behavior that is observed during interactions between them. This leaves only the structure of simple linear motions, which is very simple and the structure of the dimensional system that they move in, to be understood within our hierarchical structural level. The current remaining question then is how was the dimensional system created and how were all of the motions that currently exist within it introduced into it.

            Most of the public scientific community has not yet come to understand the structure of fields, energy photons, and matter particles because about fifty to one hundred years ago a different method of attempting to understand the structures of the world came into use. It began from an attempt to understand the interactions between matter particles, between energy photons, and between matter particles and energy photons. It was noticed that two particles could produce several different outcome results and that each result had a certain probability of occurrence compared to the other outcomes. This was good science, but then since no one could at that time see any possibility of observing matter particles and energy photons, such that it could be determined what was causing all the different outcomes and their probabilities, science took a fatalistic outlook that it was impossible to ever understand what was going on in the particles to generate all those different interactional outcomes. Man also went away from the understanding that fields were composed of some existent substance (ether), which left a large empty hole in understanding how an energy photon is produced when an electron in an atom drops down from a higher level to a lower level in the atom, etc. From this point various hypotheses were developed that kept the good science of the interactional outcomes and their probabilities, but imbedded within the hypotheses the concept that it was impossible to ever understand what caused the various different outcome and their probabilities, etc., such as quantum theory, etc. From this, new hypotheses have been developed from those previous hypotheses, etc., with each new layer of such conjectures getting farther and farther from observational reality. At this point, math models are made just on the basis of what the author desires the world to be, with very little concern about actual observed reality.

            When it comes to the initial production of the dimensional system and the motions that exist within it, most people look for some natural production of them. The problem with this approach is that it always comes down to something coming from nothing in one way or another and this is contrary to all of observed reality in which all things come from other things. As an example, if you start with a single dimensional point or singularity, the first question is where did the singularity come from. A singularity is a zero-dimensional point which has a dimensional size of zero. How then can something that contains some dimensional size that is to be used to build the dimensional system, which contains sizes other than zero come through a dimensional point that cannot accommodate anything that has a size other than zero? How could it move into the world through that single zero size dimensional point when motion requires travel from one point to another and only one point is available, so no motion could exist to bring it into the world. Since all energy is really just motion, it could not come in through the singularity because there would be no place for it to move with only one position in the universe. If you consider that the energy motion creates new spatial points to move into and that those points then stay in existence because they continue to contain that motion, the motion would have to travel to other points also to continue to be a motion or energy, but if the motion energy continued to create new points to move into and then move into them, the previous points that it had created would collapse and cease to exist because they would no longer contain the motion that would support their existence. The concept of a static non moving energy is not a reasonable possibility. Sometimes people think it is possible because of the concept of potential energy, like an object sitting on top of a tall building having a large potential energy that would turn into kinetic energy if the object is dropped off of the building, but it is actually just the result of interactions of motions. One motion is the downward flow of the gravity field particles that acts to push the object down toward the center of the earth and the other motion is the field particle flow from the molecules, atoms and matter particles in the building, which is much stronger and, therefore, holds the object up from falling to the center of the earth. If you push the object off the building, you remove the upward support motion and the downward gravity field flow pushes the object downward. Everything is composed of motions and the one thing that all motions do is to continue to change their position in space without end. This is why the concepts of zero point and vacuum energy, etc. are not practical and when you really understand field particles and the structure of fields composed of them, you can see that such things are not needed to explain the things that they were invented to explain. It is all just motion transfers between field particles, energy photons, and matter particles. That is all that is needed to explain everything. Peter Jackson's rotating motion occupying a spatial position to keep it active seems to be more possible, but rotation is a composite motion structure that is basically two dimensional, so it would not maintain a three dimensional spatial position and would also need to define the source of the two continually interacting motions that are required to maintain a rotation. As an example, the earth's rotation around the sun is caused by a linear motion of the earth interacting with the gravity particle field flows of the sun and the earth. If the sun were to suddenly cease to exist, the earth would go off in a straight line in the direction that it was going in at the time that the sun ceased to exist. On the other hand, if the earth's linear motion was suddenly removed it would fall directly down into the sun. The rotation is due to the balance between the two motions. For a rotation to exist and continue around its central point two variable amplitude back and forth motions at ninety degrees to each other that are offset from each other by ninety degrees would be required and would need to be explained.

            There is no space-time dimension as many believe. We live in a motion continuum. The present is the current motion conditions of all motions in the universe. The motion conditions that existed, but no longer exist because motions have moved from those positions to their current positions are the past, but the past does not exist because the motions have moved from those positions to their current positions, therefore, you cannot go back into the past. The conditions that motions will be in, but they have not yet moved into those positions are the future, but you can't go there either since the motions are still in their current positions and have not yet moved into those future positions. Time is just a relationship between motions that is mainly needed because all motions do not contain the same amount of motion (speed). Man has merely chosen a specific cyclical motion like the earth's rotation on its axis to compare other motions to. If all motions contained the same motion amplitude (speed) there would be no need to have separate time measurements. If someone asked you how long it took you to get to your meeting with them, you could just say 5 miles because all trips of five miles distance would be equal to each other. There is no observable evidence for travel backward or forward in time. So, time exists, but only as a way to measure the comparative flow(s) of motions in the motion continuum.

            You are right that if you only consider a natural origin of the universe, you somehow have to explain how the spatial system and all the motions that exist in it basically come from nowhere. You start with the existence of a singularity, but you would need to explain where it came from. Remember, that there could be no fluctuations of zero-point energy or vacuum energy because there would be no vacuum before the existence of spatial positions for the vacuum to exist in and there would not even be a zero point to contain any energy before the zero-point singularity was in existence. To me it looks like the something from nothing problem. If such a singularity did exist and somehow emitted the minimum units of spatially defined time-space energy (QE) from the spaceless timeless cause (the singularity), how could it be directionally unbiased, since a singularity would not possess the property of directions because you would need to have at least one bidirectional dimension in order for the concept of direction to exist and a singularity is a dimensionless structure. It, therefore, could not affect the directions that the QE would travel in when they somehow came through the singularity. This means that the QE units would somehow have to determine how to move out and create a three-dimensional spatial system. Why would they not just create a one-dimensional system, since that would be much simpler? Why create a bidirectional dimensional system instead of a unidimensional system, since that would also be simpler, especially since the unit production would travel out in all directions from the singularity, so there would be no need to provide a way to travel back in the opposite direction in each dimension to propagate the QE dimensional structure? Moreover, the source of the QE units that were coming in through the singularity would also need to be explained. It looks like another something from nothing concept. What observations of Space-Time Energy Reality have you made? I would like to have you give me some examples of them.

            The only place in the Christian Scriptures that contains the phrase, "Jesus the Christ", is at Mathew, 16, 20, where it says, "Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ." To replace (Jesus the Christ) with (All are of christ) in that place would not make sense because (Jesus the Christ) refers to his identity of who he is, while (All are of christ) refers to a relationship with christ, which since christ is not capitalized implies that it is not the true Christ. The phrase "All are of Christ" is not in the scriptures. Where do you find that the two phrases are considered equal to each other?

            The (phrase All are of Christ) with a capital C, could be considered true in a limited way, but would be false in the most important way. To explain this requires an understanding of who Christ is and his part in the creation. God tells us much about himself and the creation that he made and its purpose in the scriptures. In 1 John, 5, 7, God tells us "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." This tells us that God is composed of three parts that all work together to make him as he is. In John, 4, 23 and 24 God says, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." So, God the Father is his Spirit. God's Word is the part of him that he prepared (the only begotten Son of God) and used to create the creation and uses to communicate to and from the creation. In Ephesians, 3, 9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ." It is evident that God the Father created all things through his Son, the Word. To understand that better it is important to understand things about names. Your first name identifies you to others and your last name tells others where you came from or through, or your source. To understand the meaning of the word Jesus, we can go to Mathew, 1, 21 through 23, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." So you can see that Jesus is equated with Emanuel, which in turn equals, God (the Father) with us. Concerning who Christ is, Mathew, 16, 15 and 16 says "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God". So Christ equals the Son of the living God (God the Father), which is God's Word as confirmed in John, 1, 14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." When you see Jesus Christ, you can then understand that God the Father is being presented to you through or by his Word. When you see Christ Jesus, the Word is being presented to you by God the Father.

            To get a better understanding about the relationship between God the Father and the Word it is good to look at an image of God that he made in the creation. God tells us that he has made several images of him in the things that he made. In Romans, 1, 18 through 20 it says, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:". First God says that the things that can be known about him are manifest or clearly seen in many ways in us because we are one of the images of God that he made in the creation. In Genesis, 1, 26 and 27, God tells us, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." So, man is also made of three parts, which are the spirit, the soul, and the body. We are generally familiar with our bodies because we can easily observe them directly. Our soul and spirit are harder to separate from each other to understand what each does. God's word helps us again there because in Hebrews, 4, 12 it says, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." In this, soul is presented first and thus connected to joints and thoughts. The spirit is connected to the marrow and intents. Both are joined together in the heart or mind. The marrow is the center of the bone that produces and maintains the bone. The joints connect the bone to other parts of the body. In a similar way the intents are the center initiators of all of our actions and the thoughts are the connectors of the intents to our bodies. Our bodies cannot understand the intents of our spirit and our spirit will not directly receive information from our bodies. This is because our bodies work on a lower level language of thoughts. Our souls are part spirit and part flesh of our bodies, so they can receive and understand the intents of our spirit and translate the intents into thoughts that our bodies can understand. Our bodies then act in accordance with the thoughts from our souls to carry out the intents of our spirits in the flesh. Of course, when our bodies have needs, such as a need for food, they can generate thoughts that are sent to our souls and our souls, then translate the thoughts into intents that our spirits understand. Our spirits then generate intents that are sent to our bodies through the translation in our souls that changes them into thoughts that our bodies can understand that causes the bodies to go and get food and eat it, etc. God describes the construction of our souls in Genesis, 2, 7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." So, the soul is composed of two parts, which are the dust of the ground or matter (our brain, etc.) and the breath of life that is a spirit part that connects to our spirit and like our spirit is not composed of matter. Together they work as a communication mediator between the spirit and the body.

            The third part of God, the Holy Ghost is God's body. The reason that God created this creation was to make a body for himself to dwell or live in and to work through to do his will in the world. This creation is a temporary structure and can be looked at as God's body manufacturing plant. God made man to become the members or parts of his body. Jesus tells us the relationship that God has with him and desires to have with us though him as the mediator between God the Father and us in John, 5, 19 and 20 and 30, "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." This is the same kind of relationship that is between our spirits and our bodies through our souls. This is why in John, 14, 6, Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me." Because he is the only one that God has given to be able to be the mediator between God and man as is written in 1 Timothy, 2, 5, "For there is one God, and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus;". Remember the source is Jesus, God with us, God the Father, who is coming to us through Christ, God's only begotten Son, the Word of God. God the Father is the one who decides which ones will come to him through his Son, the Word. In John 6, 44 through 47, and 65 Jesus said, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." From this you can see that the phrase, "All are of Christ" is true in the sense that All were made by him and therefore are his because he created them, but it is not true in the sense of those who become God's body members because only a small number will be drawn to him by God the Father to become God's body members or parts through him. In the same way it would not be wrong to give the name christ (with a small c) to the minimum/indivisible quanta of energy as graphic elements in a CAD geometry environment if you only mean it to be just a generic name like george, etc., but it would be wrong if you were implying that the minimum/indivisible quanta of energy is actually God's Word because it would actually only be a small part of the creation and not part of the creator. I don't think that it could be said that Christ is a unified indivisible substance because by all indications that I have seen so far, it looks like God is composed of a very great number of very fast motions. Each of those motions may be indivisible, but I am not sure about that. Since God made man in his image and he took a rib out of Adam to make the woman, Eve, that could be an image that he took a part of his motions that he is made of that was about an equivalent part of his total motions to what a rib in a man would be of the total man and used those motions to make the creation. What we consider to be the universe is only part of the earth structure. The creation also includes the three heavens controlled by the powers, principalities, and angels and the place high above the highest heaven that is reserved only for God, etc. Since God is eternal, the motions of which he is made would also be eternal, which may be why motions are the only things that are always conserved in all interactions. Of course, God would need to have been in existence before the beginning of the creation in order for him to be there to create it. This means that he exists outside of the creation and would not be a part of the creation, so we would not be able to see or observe him in any way unless he provided a way for us to do so. This is where many are greatly in error because they look at some part of the creation, such as fields, etc. as the creator when they are just a part of the creation.

            You are right that Believe me is not equivalent to Believe in me.

            What Jesus said was, John, 14, 12 through 20, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." Notice that this does not apply to everyone, but only one who believes on Jesus. The implication is that the person is positioned on Jesus or otherwise has Jesus in him and believes Jesus. Such a person does not actually do the works himself, but asks in Jesus's name and Jesus does the works, so that the Father may be glorified in Jesus, the Son. The reason that the works are greater is because Jesus goes to the Father. Jesus goes on, "If ye ask anything in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you , and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." The implication here is that such a person will love Jesus and keep his commandments and that this is a prerequisite to getting Jesus to pray to the Father to give that person the Spirit of truth to be his comforter and that the Spirit of truth will be in him. Jesus then makes it clear that he (Jesus) is the Spirit of truth who will come into him. Jesus then says, "Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." At this point it is clear that the Father is in Jesus and works through him and Jesus is in the person and communicates both ways with him. When a man reaches this point, God says in Romans, 8, 10, "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness." In this condition the man's spirit is made right by Christ in him, but there is another law written in his flesh that is stronger in the flesh than God's law which is spiritual. This means that he knows and desires to do that which is good and to not do that which is bad in his mind, but the law in his flesh causes him to do what is bad and to not do that which is good. This is covered in Romans, 7. Back in John, 14, 21 and 23 Jesus goes on, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." At this point the man not only has Christ (the Word) in him, but also has God the Father in him. This is covered in romans, 8, 11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." When God the Father dwells or lives in a person, he is stronger and overcomes the law of the flesh in the person, so the person actually does what is good and doesn't do what is bad. This is when a person is filled with the Holy Ghost and does always that which is pleasing to God. He is then a full and complete member or part of God's body. Romans, 8, 14 goes on "For as many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, ABBA, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" In this condition, The Spirit of God (the Father) in the person shows the Word in the person what he is doing ( his intents) and the Word translates the intents into thoughts that we can understand, gives them to the person, and the person then does the work in the flesh to fulfill the intents of The Spirit of God. When God has completed making all of the needed body members for his body in this way, he will no longer need this creation and will destroy this creation by coming into it to reclaim all of the motions that he used to make it, which will effectively burn it up and he will then create a new much better creation for him to live in through his body members.

            Those who do not want to be God's body members would like to believe that they can live their own lives the way that they desire to and somehow save themselves and be as gods, but God has purposely made that impossible.

            Both of those statements are false. Jesus is not the only son of God. He is the only begotten Son of God because he was directly made by God the Father. The rest of us are made by Jesus Christ. All is not the only son of God, but as many as come to God and become his body members become his adopted sons.

            The absolute intelligence is God the Father or the Spirit of God and he has purposely made us to be inadequate to be able to communicate with him directly because he does not want independent people who want to rule their own lives and make God to be their servant. He wants those who see that it is much better to have the absolute intelligence to rule and are willing to work with him to make a better life for all, but he allows people to make the other choice, so everybody can see just how much that way destroys the world instead of making it better. The current implementation of Man's COVID-19/ 5G plans are a good example of that.

            Sincerely,

            Paul

            Dear Paul,

            I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.

            While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: "Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus", due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 "Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability".

            I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.

            Warm Regards, `

            Vladimir

              Dear Vladimir,

              I looked at you contest paper and I find that you do have a different approach than many that is positive. The main problems that I find is the attempt to fit concepts into the currently accepted quantum physics models that consider the vacuum of space to be either composed of or at least contain some undefined material that generates either vacuum energy or zero-point energy, etc. This is all unnecessary once you come to understand that matter particles, energy photons, and field particles are all composed of simple linear motions. All interactions then become motion transfers between these entities and the vacuum is just a vacuum, which contains these motion entities and provides the positions for them to move in. Motion transfers between them can transform any one of them into any other one of them. This can all be seen in the observational evidence generated by particle accelerators, etc. The total motion content and the total number of motions is always conserved. Man in this world does not yet have the ability to observe individual field particles, however. This means that man cannot currently observe that when an energy photon gives energy to an electron in an atom to raise it to the next level in the atom, it only gives it its fourth dimensional motion that gives it its frequency, wavelength, and dynamic mass effects and then it becomes a field particle. When that electron later interacts with a field particle, it gives it the motion that it had received from the energy photon, which gives it enough motion that it would go faster than the speed of light. The speed of light is the threshold level of motion that allows motion to travel into the particle's fourth dimensional motion, so all of the motion that is greater than that speed is transferred to the particle's fourth dimensional motion, which generates its frequency, wavelength, and dynamic mass effects and the field particle becomes an energy photon. No mysterious vacuum energy or zero-point energy is needed.

              You seem to understand that the static mass of a matter particle is generated by its angular motion, but vortexes, solitons, and pilot waves, etc. are generally two-dimensional structures. As an example, you can visualize the rotation of the earth on its axis as each particle in the earth traveling in a circular two dimensional plane around the axis. The problem with using such a structure as a matter particle is that it would not create a static mass effect that is three dimensionally stable (the same in all directions). As an example if you were to apply motion to the earth at its north axis and push it straight down on its axis so that the axis direction was not changed, you would experience less mass resistance than if you applied the motion to a place on the earth that would cause its axis direction to be changed. You can check this out experimentally by mounting a bicycle wheel on a shaft so it can rotate around the shaft and then rotating the wheel while you hold onto each end of the shaft. You will notice that you can move the shaft and wheel up, down, to either side, or forward or backward with very little resistance to the motion that you apply to move it as long as the shaft ends remain pointing in the same direction, but if you apply motion in a direction that would change the axis direction, you will notice a very great resistance or mass effect. To generate a three dimensionally stable mass effect that is the same in all directions, you need a three-dimensional motion structure. I provide how this can be possible in my papers in the contests on this site. Moreover, a rotation requires at least the continual interaction between two simple linear motions to generate and maintain it. It is fairly easy to see that at large scales, something like the rotation of the earth around the sun requires the simple linear motion contained in the earth, which is modified by the motion of the field flow of field particles in the gravity fields of both the earth and the sun, etc. Even when you look at a supercooled fluid, there are still several motions that continue to go on in and through it. The electrons continue to move around in the molecules and atoms of the fluid. The nuclear particles still move around in the nucleuses of the atoms. The Flows of field particles that contain the nuclear particles within the nucleuses and contain the electrons within the external fields of atoms and those that hold the atoms together in the molecules and that hold the molecules together in larger scale objects are all still moving around in the supercooled fluid. This all happens even at absolute zero. In addition to this, there are generally many other fields from other external sources that intersect and interact with the fluid, etc. These can provide the needed motion to generate and maintain a soliton in such a supercooled fluid since it does not contain the larger scale random motions that would normally be present in the fluid at higher temperatures that would disperse the soliton, etc. They are not really self-organizing (self-generating) or self-sustaining entities. Matter particles require an energy photon that contains enough fourth-dimensional motion to at least make one and usually two matter particles and the photon must experience an angular motion input such as when it comes into contact with an inner high-density field sphere in the external field of an atom or matter particle. This is necessary to pass the threshold of entrance of motion into the fifth dimension. Normally half of the motion that is transferred into the fifth-dimension travels in one direction in the fifth-dimension and the other half travels in the opposite direction. This generates a matter particle and also generates its antimatter particle. The fifth dimensional motion drains back down into the lower three dimensions in a sequential pattern that varies from a zero-transfer level to a maximum level and then back down to the zero level. When the motion into one dimension reaches its maximum level the motion transfer into the next dimension begins and reaches its maximum level just as the transfer into the first dimension reaches the zero level. At that time, motion transfer into the third dimension begins and reaches its maximum level just as transfer into the second dimension reaches zero. At this point transfer back into the first dimension begins again and the cycle continues indefinitely. This is only an example and it does not work exactly that way, but you should get an idea of the requirements to make it work from the example given. The motion added to the lower three dimensions would cause the photon to travel faster than the speed of light, so the excess motion is transferred into the photon's fourth dimensional motion, so the only thing that remains is the angular motion component that causes the photon to take a curved path that encloses back upon itself to form a cyclical enclosed motion path that continues indefinitely. This path is what we call a matter particle. If the photon's fourth-dimensional motion is fast enough, so that its wavelength fits properly into the enclosed path of the matter particle, the proper angular motion component exists to allow transfer of motion back into the fifth-dimension and the interdimensional motion cycle is complete and the matter particle is stable. That cycle also continues indefinitely. If the photon's wavelength does not fit properly into the enclosed path, the angular component is not present and, therefore, the motion stays in the fourth dimension and after all of the fifth-dimensional motion has drained into the lower three dimensions and then has been transferred into the photon's fourth dimensional motion, the curved path ends and the photon goes off into space in some direction at the speed of light again. This gives a general idea of how a photon can be changed into a matter particle and visa versa. The antimatter particle is the same except that its curved path is in the opposite direction. If a matter particle and an antimatter particle interact, their angular motion components cancel out causing them both to become energy photons. It is possible to just make a matter particle or an antimatter particle without creating the other one, but that is too advanced for this level of discussion.

              It is possible to break molecular bonds, etc. with high frequency energy, but you would also need to be able to identify every COVID-19 virus particle in someone's body and be able to just target the virus particles without harming the person's body structures. Would you be able to do that? Unless you have some other way around that.

              One of the interesting things about the COVID-19 outbreak is that both 5G technology implementation and the outbreak of COVID-19 occurred in the November to December time frame in Wuhan China and the outbreak in Wuhan was very bad. It has also been bad in other places where 5G has been implemented to a great degree, such as in Iran, Italy, and New York in the U.S. It has been said by some that the 30 to 300gigahz frequency range of 5G can cause many problems in man. One of the problems mentioned is inhibition of the immune system. It looks like that part at least is true. Some of the other problems such as mental fog, difficulty in concentration, short term memory problems, dizziness, and balance problems, etc. are now being said to be symptoms of COVID-19. One other big problem that I have seen is that because many meat processing plants have been closed due to COVID-19 infection of their employees, many animals have been killed and buried. This will likely result in food shortages. This could have been and still can to some degree be avoided by having the National Guard buy the animals from farmers and transport them to processing plants. Some National Guard personnel should be quickly trained to do the processing and after the processing is done the meat can be sent out into the normal food chain. The last that I heard about it, many chickens and hogs had already been destroyed, but the cattle had not yet been killed. It would be greatly negligent of the government to allow the problems of the COVID-19 infections to be followed by famine. It has also been mentioned that other food crops are being left to rot in the fields. This should not be allowed.

              Sincerely,

              Paul