Why is the universe comprehensible? by Ian Durham

Hi Ian.

I enjoyed this.

Your conclusion is remarkably similar to mine, though you get there through a different route.

Couple of questions/comments:

You write that "Other aspects might be unknowable because the universe's fundamental fabric is such that no machine can be constructed to produce a correct truth value for some truth-conditional statements."

This seems to imply some realm of "things in themselves" (independent of context/questions/etc). I doubt Wheeler would have thought that, being influenced by Bohr and all. "It from Bit" also means "No ifs if no Bits".

You also write: ""Yet it is wrong to say that there was any change in the underlying physics between then and now. What changed was our knowledge of that physics, i.e. we increased our information."

Well now: given what you say, the fact that contexts have changed, so that the kinds of questions we put have changed (on which we must agree to generate objectivity), you might say that the physics has changed too as a result of that. In Eddingtonian terms, the "Physical Universe" changes between then and now.

Best

Dean

Sneaky indeed.

Just a quick follow up: you write "On the other hand, it's useful to note that really the physics itself *didn't* change. Newton's laws are as true now as they were then"

True, but, if we push the Eddington line, it's because we still know how to ask those questions and construct those experimental contexts (and agree on the invariants) as before.They are now stable, in terms of phenomena generated. Though that aspect has not changed, there were new phenomena (e.g. QM) that were generated as a result of new contexts/questions that could be posed, and on which objective agreement is reached. So the Physical Universe has expanded its list of characters and its plot.

I know you are not buying into something as extreme is this kind of Eddingtonianism, but it seemed that you wanted to say that the objective facts were in some sense co-created by the subjective elements along with the universe. In this sense, I think you might have to say there is change in the objective facts as the subjective elements change.

Cheers

Dean

Hi Professor Durham, I can understand your answer. I fight myself my defaults and we try to evolve and be humble in continuing to search our place inside this universe and why we are , I told all this because you work about this free will in fact, I have remarked that this Vanity is an important paramter to take into account considering the free will and I tell this for all persons , myself also, I have remarked that the education, the psychology, the encodings in our Environments create a free will about the beliefs and choices, what I tell is that this free will is under a pure psychological persuaded state for us. A sure thing is that this evolution and wisdom and this consciousness can permit a kind of humility and can change the opinions. That must be taken into account for me in the algorythms about this free will. An AI cannot really have this free will, it is probably just for these biological Creations. The determinism can converge with this consciousness evolving correlated with the universal deterministic truths, it is this that I tell, it exists things deterministic and other no and the choices can converge. The Humans generally are non deterministic , probably our global system creating this fact and our Young age at this universal scale. We are not robots but humans , there is a big difference. But we evolve. Like I said I have nothing against nobody, hope it is the same in the other sense, I am a nice guy, sometimes a Little bit crazy and arrogant but I work on me. I beleive returning about my Project to convice this UN that it is important, hope the thinkers and others shall be ok to follow a group of global collabotration without Vanity, because here we speak about the well of all and not about us, I just want to create a mannifest of solutions, Concrete and deterministic where the sciences and consciousness are the main chielfs of orchestra, I hjave remarked that this Vanity is a very big problem when you try to unite, it is odd, the persons have difficulties to follow, hope that their free will and choices can change, we must sometimes forget our own Lifes and work in team and complementarity for the common interest , general and global here, this planet must be optimised for me and the responsabilities of real universalists, skilling thinkers are essential.Alone I cannot convice and make all.

Hi Ian,

Thank you for a wonderfully written essay. I enjoyed it and I am largely in agreement with your conclusion, particularly when you wrote ``The fact remains that in order to say we comprehend some element of the universe we must necessarily obtain some information about that element. But obtaining that information is a physical process that necessarily has a context which constrains the nature of that information; the very act of acquiring information shapes the information acquired''.

This is an excellent point and the principle of comprehensibility is certainly a reflection of the physical limitations handed down by the uncertainty principle. As you point out, if the context of the questions being asked don't agree because we choose two incompatiable measurements---say x and p---then their is a fundamental limit to the comprehension we can achieve.

You then moved onto the price about the price of comprehension which fundamentally boils down to errors arising due to incompatible measurements. As you point out, if I'm computing pi to 50 trillion decimal places using two different algorithms, then surely they will reach different conclusions if they are not identical.

The uncertainty principle is certainly the fundamental limit of your essay, as it it in contextuality. If you ask an incomprehensible question, then it requires an infinite amount of energy to extract all the information about a particular variable. That is, localising your particles position does requires that you infinitely squeeze along p.

I largely agree with you and your essay and wrote a very similar essay focusing on the limits of computation, although focused from the perspective of open systems and dissipation---the errors arising from incomprehensible questions if you like---titled noisy machines. I hope you get a chance to take a look!

Well done on the great essay! I really enjoyed it!

Cheers,

Michael

Dear Ian,

This is a well-written essay for a general science readership that explains and defends thought provoking ideas. In other words, a perfect fqxi contest essay. It was fun to read and I think you had fun writing it. I hope you do well.

You do blame the state of the Physics on observers in the Universe, but your statements would offend only people in that category. On the serious side, the mechanics of creating valuable questions is the most important skill needed in science.

Sincerely,

Jeff Schmitz

Hi Ian,

My essay "Why your Robot is just not that into you" is mathematically out of the running, but I would like your opinion (bad or good). Any comments would be helpful for the next contest.

Sincerely,

Jeff

Dear Ian,

"Why is the Universe so comprehensible?" A great topic to which you have written a most stimulating essay.

I think our world is comprehensible because humans are good at searching out and then explaining patterns. First in natural science, then in our own creation - mathematics. As our science progressed, some of the patterns, or our deductions about them became established as our principles or laws - especially where symmetry was involved.

I believe, like Einstein, that `comprehensibility' means a scientific understanding of the universe's functional composition. In my essay I cover how the 3 Un's have impinged on my thinking as I work towards my goal of 'Structural Physics'.

If a condition of comprehensibility is one of measurement, and as you quoted "Feynman once famously said, if something disagrees with experiment then it's wrong", then isn't defining the experiment and its measurement in a truth-conditional way extremely important. Some might argue that is where EPR experiments have come unstuck. Part of the price of comprehensibility is the way we design our experiments.

On another thought-line, you stated: "Markus Muller recently constructed a self-consistent theory in which an objective external world emerges from more fundamental observer states." Isn't this similar in some way to applying Susskind and 't Hooft's idea of a holographic black hole event horizon to the Universe through multiple observer states? After all, Muller thinks the link between entropy and information remains, possibly leading to a holographic principle.

Thanks for your essay as it has extended the boundaries of my thinking.

Lockie Cresswell

Dear Ian,

I am absolutely delighted by this essay. One of the things you touch on is the separability (for lack of a better word) of the universe. We can make sense of it because of how explanations remain "in their proper bounds".

One thing I'm curious about: are there examples in "normal" life where explanations go out of bounds? i.e., you write "While it is impossible to prove that the answer to the question "what color is my hair?" will never be "narrow" or "dog", the fact remains that it is highly unlikely." It is possible to come up with an example that (however unlikely) violates the Principle of Comprehensibility?

Yours,

Simon

(You can find some remarks on "mutual explainability" in my contribution this year, for which I'd love to have your thoughts--please feel free to drop me a line by e-mail or as you please, because I think there's a lot of philosophical literature for me to learn from.) https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3492

Dear Professor Ian Durham,

Thanks!

And, I am glad you found my remarks worthwhile.

Best,

Raiyan Reza