From inability to facility by James Robert Arnold

Dear Prof James Robert Arnold,

Thank you nice essay in simple words where you pored your wonderful experience. Your words.........If there are ill-considered beliefs about nature that render our investigations problematic, misinterpretations and misdirections are bound to result.................. are exactly correct. I fully agree.

I will say we have to think and consider framing rules properly and make our mathematics accordingly. If some mathematical frame work is not behaving properly we have to discard it and try for new theories, which are based on better ethical and foundational principles, what do you say?

Your words.........And a world that is fundamentally spontaneous seems not so alien to a world of conscious beings - beings that can be regarded as highly organized products of spontaneity............................

This point i disagree, I feel macro world or the cosmological world is based on causality. I discussed this in my essay " https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3416 " and gave an example of Dynamic Universe Model developed and used by us for the last forty years, solved many unsolved problems in physics.

I hope you will spend your valuable time to look........

Best regards

=snp

Satyavarapu, thank you for your comments.Yes, we are in substantial agreement. And I don't disagree that the macro or cosmological world manifests causality, just that it is not "based on." Sperry's wheel, based on random or spontaneous quanta, manifests an entirely causal object rolling down a hill.

I look forward to reading your essay!

James Arnold

Dear Prof James Robert Arnold,

Thank you for your reply, I am looking forward you to see my essay and rate my essay....

Meanwhile can you please give me your mail Id....

Best Regards

=snp

Dear sir

thank you for reading my essay. Hope you have already rated it, thanks for the observations......

I left a reply on my essay

best

=snp

Dear Sir,

You are right that both determinism and indeterminism lead to contradictions and cannot satisfy the emotional as well as rational intelligence of the human being.

Please, view our essay "New ontology..." We try to apply the algorithms of time projections patterns from the point of scientific scepticism and the deeper reality than we try to cover by simplicity formalisms

Best Regards,

Pavel Poluian and Dmitry Lichargin,

Siberian Federal University.

James,

I found that a beautiful jargon free analysis, right on topic. I also agree with most all. I don't recall if you read my essay last year, but have a proposition for you to consider, which you may be one of the few to understand;

Take your cue ball and a red. Both are spinning on some axis. When they meet there's an exchange of momentum (actually absorption/re-emission, but just think surface rotation).

Now both balls have TWO moment sets, polar rotation, and linear equatorial speed, which change inversely OVER 90oby the COSINE OF THE ANGLE OF 'LATITUDE'. (just like Earths rotational velocity). Just do 3D vector additions, and we have NEW intensity. Then to the same again at the photomultiplier, and we get QM's data output. So you're right, it's an interaction mechanism, which Bohr didn't think of, and it resolves all weirdness.

The problem is those who'se job it is to teach QM are so sold on the weirdness they just reject the possiblity that common sense can prevail!

Of course uncertainty of clockwise anticlockwise goes to 50:50 at the equator. Seeemple!

Thanks for confirming some do believe in causal reality. I hope you get a chance to read & score mine this year, which considers the wide & foundational implications of just that mechanism.

Very best

Peter

Interesting essay. I see what you're getting at with your point about the paradigm for physics (and maybe science in general) as a world in which one thing's behavior is entirely determined by external influences. In a slogan, we might say that intrinsic properties are meaningless; only properties relevant to interactions matter.

But on the other hand, what should be our conception of science, if not something like that? Maybe I just need to open my mind up, but it's hard for me to conceive of another (equally successful) way of looking at physics. But perhaps you're right that something new is required to understand things like consciousness, which in large part have eluded us so far.

John

Hello Jim,

Nice essay. Writing for a general science readership and still being able present a clear theme is the biggest challenge and you have met that challenge. I would suggest that you use more examples, but my writing style is example heavy. Macroscopic irreversibility in thermodynamics (entropy) could be considered a strong argument against determinism that is not on the quantum scale.

Sincerely,

Jeff Schmitz

P.S. If Occam were alive today would he use an electric razor?

James,

I tend to agree with your outlook, while disagreeing with a number of specifics.

I certainly agree that "if Ockham were alive today he might be incited to mayhem" by the Multiverse.

Unlike you, I do believe that the wave function is physical, as Bell described deBroglie-Bohm. I see it as induced by momentum density (mass current) and as self interacting. Hence one free particle is essentially deterministic, traveling soliton-like, whereas many particles interacting with each other's fields and fields with themselves are effectively non-deterministic, requiring statistical treatment.

In the same way, one 'spin' is actually a 3D entity, whereas many spins in magnetic domains line up in a manner reasonably described as 'qubits', a math projection, not a physical reality.

By formulating Stern-Gerlach as qubit-based, Bell derived the ridiculous 'entanglement' whereas a classical-like treatment of 3D spin in an inhomogeneous magnetic field yields exactly the correlation that Bell claimed was impossible, while reproducing the distribution of states seen on the famous postcard to Bohr.

In short, single particles are well-behaved (deterministic) whereas many particles and associated fields interacting nonlinearly effectively yield 'spontaneity' for all practical purposes.

Best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dear James,

The things that makeup the various quantum weirdness concepts in physics today have come about due to a lack of information about the structure and internal operations of things at the smallest level, such as field, energy photon, and matter particles. Man has always desired to believe that all matter should behave like the solid billiard balls that you mention in your paper. As more has been understood about the internal workings of molecules and atoms, it has become apparent that those billiard balls are not really solid objects at all, but are mostly composed of empty space in which smaller and smaller objects (molecules, atoms, and matter particles) exist and move. With each new lower level of structural understanding, still smaller objects moving in what was previously considered to be the smallest billiard balls are observed. Today the matter particles are the objects considered to be the billiard balls, but like at the other levels of structure above it they don't completely conform to that behavior. The matter particles are somewhat different because they don't even come close to that behavior because their internal structures do not contain smaller objects that can behave that way. Fields have been treated in a similar way by man. The need for field particles was mainly considered as a way to provide a medium for the waves of energy photons to travel in, but they are not needed for that because the energy photon carries a motion within it that produces its frequency, wavelength, and dynamic mass wave effects. Because of this it was considered that they would also be like little billiard balls with large mass effects, etc. They were considered to not exist when it was found that they did not produce the expected wind effects. They are needed to properly explain magnetic fields and the chain of motion transfers that occurs when an energy photon gives up motion to an electron and then seems to completely disappear and when the electron later drops back down to its normal stable position in its atom and an energy photon is generated to carry away the electron's extra motion, etc. Matter particles, energy photon particles, and field particles are all composed of simple linear motions that are structured or put together in each of them in such a way as to produce their individual interactional behaviors. Except for the fixation on the billiard ball interaction concept, it should have been apparent long ago to man that this is the case from observation of high-speed particle interactions. If you cause two protons with low amounts of kinetic motion to interact with each other, you get an approximation of the billiard ball actions when all things are taken into consideration. When you give them kinetic motions at close to the speed of light, however, the particles may be completely destroyed. The output results of the interaction will likely contain several new matter particles with combined total rest masses that are far greater than the rest masses of the two input particles. Energy photons can also be created as outputs of the interaction. If you use E=MC^2, etc. to convert all of the mass and other motions of the output particles and energy photons, etc. into kinetic linear motion and then also do the same with the input particle's masses and their kinetic linear motions, you find that they are equal, so total motion content is conserved. It should be obvious to anyone that the new matter particles and energy photons were created and constructed out of the simple linear kinetic motions of the two input matter particles and those input matter particle's masses. This tells us that both matter particles and energy photons are composed of simple linear motions and that since energy photons and matter particles do not behave the same in interactions, the simple motions must be structured or built up in them differently in some way to generate this difference in interactional behavior.

To get an understanding of how this structuring can be accomplished, it is best to start with an understanding of what a simple linear motion is and how it operates. In the absence of external interactions, simple linear motions operate under control of three simple operation information constructs, which are:

1. Current location within the spatial system.

2. Current three-dimensional composite direction of travel.

3. Current motion amplitude (speed).

A simple linear motion can only do one operation by itself, which is to continually change its spatial position from its current position to the next position in its current direction of travel in accordance with its current motion amplitude. It can only change (write into) its current position information. Its direction of travel and motion amplitude information structures are read only information structures to it and can only be changed as a result of an interaction between it and another motion.

A field particle is just a simple linear motion that travels at the speed of light or less (for the most part). This is why a magnetic field operates only in line with its direction of travel. It does not contain any angular motions, such as those in energy photons and matter particles. Because field particles are very small and can only interact in line with their motion, they do not interact much except under certain circumstances, such as when a large number of them are compressed together in a small area and traveling in the same direction, such as in the field flow of a magnet. Atoms, molecules, and large-scale objects are held together by fields composed of field particles, but that needs to be introduced later at the proper time.

An energy photon starts as a field particle and is changed into an energy photon by the acquisition of enough extra motion that would cause it to go faster than the speed of light. The speed of light is the threshold speed to allow motion to travel into the fourth-dimension. The excess speed over the speed of light is transferred into the particle's fourth-dimensional motion. The fourth dimension interacts with the other three dimensions at a ninety-degree angle in the same way that they interact with each other. It is a very small dimension, however, and only contains three dimensional positions. The center position intersects our three-dimensional structure and the two outside positions are outside of our dimensional structure. When a motion is introduced into the fourth dimension, it travels to one end of it and then it bounces off of the end and travels in the opposite direction until it gets to the other end then bounces off of that end in the same way and travels back again to the other end. In the absence of an interaction, this cycle continues to repeat. The greater its motion amplitude is, the faster it travels, so it completes its cycle faster, which increases its cycle frequency. Since it completes its cycles faster, it can not travel as far in its direction of travel at the speed of light during each cycle, so its wavelength becomes shorter. Since its fourth dimensional motion can be transferred to another entity during an interaction, the greater fourth-dimensional motion allows for the transfer of a greater amount of motion during an interaction, thus increasing its dynamic mass effect. This is why a visible light photon can knock an electron out of an atom in the photoelectric effect, but a lower frequency microwave photon can't. The fourth-dimensional motion can only be transferred to another entity during an interaction to the degree that it is present in our three-dimensional structure. If an interaction occurs when it is at one end or the other of the fourth dimension, no fourth dimensional motion can be transferred in the interaction and the photon behaves like a field particle and will likely not interact at all. As the motion begins to move into our three-dimensional structure the amount of motion that can be transferred during an interaction increases and reaches a maximum when it is completely in our three-dimensional structure. It then begins to decrease until it reaches zero at the other end of the fourth-dimension. It then begins to increase again except it is in the opposite direction. This cycle continues in the absence of an interaction. This generates the observed positive and negative sinewave pattern.

A matter particle starts as an energy photon. If an energy photon acquires a great enough fourth dimensional motion to allow for the production of a matter particle, (it usually needs enough to make a matter particle and its antimatter particle) it exceeds the threshold for travel of motion into the fifth dimension. If the photon then comes into contact with the proper angular motion, such as a high-density field sphere near the nucleus of an atom, it can then transfer that excess fourth-dimensional motion to the particle's fifth-dimensional motion. The fifth-dimensional motion begins to transfer back down into the lower three dimensions sequentially and offset by ninety degrees. This means that it starts at the zero-transfer level and increases to a maximum level. When it reaches the maximum level in dimension one, it begins to transfer motion into the second-dimension. Transfer of motion into the first-dimension then begins to decrease and reaches the zero level just as transfer into the second-dimension reaches its maximum level. Transfer into the third-dimension then begins and reaches its maximum level just as transfer into the second-dimension reaches the zero level. At that point transfer begins again into the first-dimension and reaches its maximum level just as the transfer into the third-dimension reaches the zero level. This motion in the lower three dimensions causes the photon to take a curved three-dimensional path that encloses back upon itself to create a continual cyclical three-dimensional motion path, which is what we call a matter particle. The extra motion added to the lower three dimensions would cause the photon to travel faster than the speed of light, so the excess motion is transferred back into the fourth-dimension. If the photon's fourth-dimensional wavelength fits properly into the enclosed path, the proper angular motion component is present to allow transfer of the motion back into the particle's fifth-dimensional motion and the interdimensional motion transfer cycle is complete and the matter particle is stable. If the wavelength does not fit properly, the angular motion component is not present causing the motion to remain in the particle's fourth-dimensional motion and when all of the fifth-dimensional motion has been transferred into the lower three dimensions and then into the fourth-dimension, the curved path ceases to exist and the particle becomes an energy photon again and travels off in some direction at the speed of light. The great angular motion of the photon as it travels in its enclosed three-dimensional path creates the matter particle's rest mass effect. As the energy photon travels in its enclosed path it entrains field particles to travel through it from an input on one side to an output on the other side of the path. This field flow follows the photon as it travels around the path, so the input and output also travel around the path. This causes a spherical field flow around the path from the output to the input that flows at ninety degrees to anything that travels directly toward the path in any direction. The energy photon's fourth-dimensional motion controls the field flow volume through the path to vary from a zero level of flow to a maximum level of flow and then back to a zero-flow level in a continuous cycle. The net effect is that instead of a single field flow sphere around the path, many spheres that vary from a zero field particle density level to a maximum particle density level and then back down to a zero level exist around the matter particle's path. The field flow through the matter particle's path is its internal field. It keeps the energy photons in the matter particles in the nucleus of an atom from interacting directly with each other, which could destroy the matter particles. The concentric field spheres around the matter particle are its external field structure. The innermost high-density sphere contains the matter particles within the nucleus of an atom and the other spheres capture and hold electrons around the atom. When an electron comes close to an atom that does not contain its full complement of electrons, it is attracted to its field. As it passes through the field spheres it begins to be attracted in the opposite direction by the spheres that it has already passed through. At some point the attraction in both directions is equal and the electron becomes centered in a low field density area between two high density spheres. Its path between the two high density field spheres is controlled by the field flow in those two adjacent high-density field spheres. When two matter particles come together with enough kinetic motion to pass through all of the other particle's external field spheres, but not great enough to allow them to escape from their spheres, they become an atom and their external energy spheres join together to form a single external field structure that contains both of them.

To see how some of the quantum mystery stuff actually works in real life with no need for zero-point energy, vacuum energy, or other mysterious chance happenings lets look at a couple of things. When an energy photon interacts with an electron in an atom and receives enough kinetic motion from the photon to go to a higher field sphere in the atom it receives the photon's fourth-dimensional motion, which causes the photon to become a field particle. Since the electron's kinetic motion around the high- density sphere's field flow path does not match the field motion flow rate around that enclosed path the likelihood of an interaction with a field particle in the sphere is increased enough that an interaction eventually occurs. This interaction causes the transfer of the excess motion that the electron had previously received from the other photon to be transferred to the field particle, which would cause it to travel faster than the speed of light. This excess motion is then transferred to the field particle's fourth-dimensional motion causing it to become an energy photon and travel off in some direction at the speed of light. Only simple motion transfers are required to explain such things. There is no need for anything to spontaneously emerge from nothing or to disappear into nothing.

Many of the quantum problems come from a lack of understanding of the structure of things at the very small size scale and man's current preconceived beliefs about such things that results in misinterpretations of how things work. The fact that there can be many different outcomes of interactions at this size scale and each outcome has a specific probability of occurrence is not that difficult to understand when you understand that matter particles are not small solid billiard balls, but instead are composed of motions that are moving through various cyclical patterns in space and that much of a matter particle is mostly empty space containing just field particles in various densities, etc. Most interactions occur between angular motions of entities. When two entities interact, each has a specific interactional cross-section in the case of energy photons or interactional volume for matter particles. If you visualize two matter particles' enclosed paths beginning to intersect each other, what will happen is dependent on the positions of their internal photons and the changes in their positions during the interaction. They could completely miss each other, so no interaction would occur, as an example. It also depends on the points that their fourth-dimensional motions are at during the interaction, etc. The end result of the conditions of these variables will determine which of the possible outcomes actually occurs in a given interaction. The reason that there are different probabilities of each outcome's occurrence is that there are specific ranges of motions that will result in a given specific outcome in comparison to the ranges of motions that give the other outcomes. Understanding that the various outcomes and their probabilities of occurrence are explainable in terms of these interactional ranges still does not allow the ability to actually observe the motions in a given interaction, so that you could actually predict which outcome will occur in a given interaction, but it does give information that can allow for such an ability to be developed in the future and that is about all that you can expect an early workable model of a currently unobservable system to accomplish. In the end it all becomes deterministic again when all of the details are completely understood. I have purposely given a generalized structure with many details left out, both to emphasize the most important concepts without making things so complex that they cannot be easily understood and also because it is up to man to work out many of the details for himself. I am not here to give a complete fourth and fifth vector structuring technology transfer to man. In this and in my other papers and comments on this site I have given very broad basic information of how things work and as of now, I still have not seen anyone both able and willing to understand that information and add any new valid understandings to it. I have seen some attempts at making alternative constructs, but so far, they all propose such things as the use of two-dimensional motions like spins, etc. to make matter particles, which would not create a three-dimensionally stable static mass effect in them, etc. It, therefore, does not make any sense for me to increase the complexity of the information given at this time.

Concerning man's consciousness and freedom of action, etc., it might be of help to consider that man is composed of three parts, which are his body, his soul, and his spirit. The body is composed of matter and a part of the soul is also composed of matter (brain, etc.), but the spirit, which is the part that generates all intents to do something and is, therefore, the initiator of all of a man's actions is not made of matter or energy photons, so man cannot detect the spirit and it operates outside of the matter structure. The part of the soul that interfaces with the spirit is also structured like the spirit. The spirit generates an intent for the body to fulfill some action and sends that intent to the spirit part of the soul, which can understand it. It is then translated into thoughts that the body can understand by the soul and the thoughts are then sent to the body, which carries them out in the flesh of the body to fulfill the intents of the spirit. We are, however, made in such a way that we only have a limited freedom of choice.

I hope this can be of some help to you in your endeavor to understand how things actually work.

Sincerely,

Paul