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I wrote a thread while ^ in 2014 on sciforums called "causal relationships and the light cone." Apparently reality is a path integral was an intruiging notion. Apparently the question should ask whether time passage is real or imaginary and if so what role does consciousness and motion play in time passage? Is time a product of consciousness and motion?

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Hi Nicholas,

In my view time does not exist as a real thing or force. Instead, we have periods of duration elapsing. Our clocks do not measure time passing, they measure duration elapsing.

We assume that time exists as a real thing or force, because we evolved on this swiftly rotating planet. The ceaseless, overwhelming, daily cyclical effects of our rotational motion has conditioned our cognitive grasp of the nature of time. We do not consciously perceive time passing, we consciously perceive duration elapsing.

You ask, "Is time a product of consciousness and motion?" Yes!

    maybe time is just correlated with the motions and we perceive it with our consciousness, even if we don t exist and are not conscious of this time, that does not change the universal clocks and its motions and so its time.....the time is a parameter important , because without time we have no motions, and if we have no motions so we have no interactions and without interactions, we have no matter and energy. The special relativity is a tool permitting to rank the evolution of our universe because we see our past in observing the space and more we go far , more we go far in the past like we see our sun 8 min in late. Now don t forget that we must relativate all this because the GR and the SR are for observations and the mass and the nergy but they are not probably the only one piece of puzzle, in resume we are not just made of photons oscillating in logic. The time is not odd and seems a pure parameter irreversible entropically speakingnon the arrow of time.

    Hi Steve,

    As evidenced by FQXi`s holding their first essay contest in 2008 on the nature of time, there is no proof that time exists.

    If we can`t say what time might be made up of, how could we say, "without time we have no motions, and if we have no motions so we have no interactions and without interactions, we have no matter and energy." ?

    In my view, we have motions in our timeless Universe.

    What makes you think that time exists as some kind of real thing or force? What makes you think that time is a thing or force that is necessary? Why would we need it?

    I don t consider it like a force but this thing exists like a parameter, without time, you don t exist, and the universe is not timeless, we have a begining and an evolution, if now you correlate with the eternity or philosophically with sonething coding and transforming the energy mathematically of spiritually, it is still the same , we are inside a finite evolutive system where the time is correlated with the motions and where we have an irreversibility

    Hi Steve,

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, parameter means "a numerical or other measurable factor forming one of a set that defines a system or sets the conditions for it`s operations." How are you meaning parameter?

    It is always a parameter independant of evolution, no need of dictionary to understand that this time is a parameter

    Hi Steve,

    Does the time parameter compel all motions in the Universe? If so, how would that operate?

    Hi Jim, this time seems purelly correlated with the motions, and the confusions about it for me is due to the philosophy and the relativity and this spacetime that we observe, but this time is probably absolute for the rotating spheres and in the motions. I see it like a measurement simply,a foundamental quantity , a scalar in classical physics. A rhing important is its irreversibility like all experiments in themro prove it. We can consider the works of einstein and newton, and einstein is for observations at high velocities of the spacetime. Newton is for a kind of universal clock linear if my memory is correct. For the quantum mechanics, you can analyse the equations of schrodinger where the parameter time is considered. All these works consider the evolution and an irreversibility. This time exists like a measurable quantity because it is correlated with the motions.

    I agree that time is "like a measurement simply,". In my view, time is only a measurement system that measures durations elapsing, and that`s all it is, simply a measurement system.

    Steve,

    Earlier you said, "this thing (time) exists like a parameter, without time, you don`t exist,". I do not understand that Steve. That sounds like more than "like a measurement simply,", if I wouldn`t exist without it?

    Hi Jim, I just say that it is an important parameter because without time, we have no motion and if we have no motion so we have no physics and without physics so we don t exist

    Good Morning Steve,

    The FQXi contest on the nature of time, established that there was no proof that time exists as a real thing in reality, at least as of 2008 when the contest occurred. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that motions in our Universe, prove that time does exist. That time must exist because we have motion. Perhaps I misunderstand you?

    What does time, the real thing, actually do then? How can time do what it apparently does, everywhere in the Universe, all of the time?

    Why do you assume that time exists when there is no proof?

    An assumption is not a proof.

    There is no proof that the time does not exist and we have more evidences that this time exists, because it is measurable, if it didn t exist, we could not measure it like a scalar quantity, like the mass, the lenght, the charge.... when a thing is measured, it exists and all our equations in quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, cosmology ...consider this time. So I don t know why you consider that it does not exist, but it exists, the evolution is a reality . And the motions , rotations...are essential and are a reality. So give a proof that it does not exist, and if it correct with the maths and in having changed all the euqations in physics considering this time, I will agree, but at this moment , a moment in time, I cannot lol, to you my friend

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    How could we be able to prove that time, as a real thing or force, does not exist. Proving that a thing that does not exist, does not exist, is not possible. Assuming that a thing exists, when it does not exist, can create confusions.

    For instance, in my understanding, there is no proof that extra dimensions exist. Extra dimensions are only assumptions.

    What does exist is motion. I think we agree that motion does exist in our Universe?

    We measure motions by measuring durations elapsing, with our clocks. That does not prove that we are actually measuring a real thing called time. We are simply measuring durations elapsing.

    Yes, evolution has happened, but evolution only needs motion to occur. Why would evolution need some thing called time to be able to happen? Why would motion not be sufficient in order for evolution to occur?

    Yes the extradimensions are assumptions, they are just mathematical plays due to the geometrical algebras and the strings. And I agree that the motions indeed exist , and this time is correlated . What is maybe important is to consider the evolution and the evolution is cconsidered with the time. When we have considered the time , the first humans conscious have seen that a yesterday was different tna a tomorrow and they have considered the rotations of the earth and around the sun. We have after this invented the seconds , the minutes, the hours, the months , the years, and the past, the present and the future are realities. And in our physics, this time permit to measure and calculate the motions, interactions, .... when you tell that this time does not exist, I understand because it is just a quantity that we measure and we cannot touch it like the other measurable scalar quantities, but it exists in the sense that it permits to measure and is measurable. We must recognise that we have a past , that we born , live and die and there is a time life . I d like to have your philosophy about what you tell if you are ok, what is the improtance of what you tell us about this time, what is the relevances for our physics that we measure ? regards

    Take dinosaur bones. It`s possible to see, possibly to touch, dinosaur bones. Many millions of years, and those bones are still here with us in the present. They are evidence. The bones have not left the present.

    There are no co-existing past(s) in some other places. The remnants of all events are still here with us in the present.

    Hi Jim, I was in geology at university, so indeed we have bones lol, they are proofs of a past and the bones are under the laws of resistance of matters and others. The past has existed and the proofs that we find in the present permit to understand the evolution and the diversity of the biology. The geology is a very good sciences to encircle the time and the evolution I must say. There is a clock of evolution universal irreversible entropical.

    Hi Steve,

    FQXi`s first essay contest was about the nature of time, there were 137 essays. They are available on FQXi.