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Hi John,

Thanks for the repetition, I think reading the reply to Ken was helpful to helping lift the fog a bit and making it easier for me to conceptually grasp this model.

I'm still curious about the observational consequences we might expect from the "Emergent Description Model".

Does this view even have a name?

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Buck,

If you're referring to my observation, no. How about the "Emergent Discription Model"?

I don't know that it has observational consequences, other than explaining how we exist in this current moment along a series of numerous other such moments, without having to resort to complex explanations that require accepting a wide variety of imaginary propositions, as some would have us believe. The past does not physically exist. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The future doesn't require multiple realities to appear with every quantum event.

Chance is not an illusion, with all of history laid out in block time.

Time is not a dimension. It is a process. It's not about "being." It's about "doing."

I realize it goes against what we have been taught, but it really isn't difficult to think of time as the future becoming the past. I made the point to a teenaged daughter of a friend once and her reply was; Well, duh! When I make the same point to people with doctorates in physics, they can't explain how I'm wrong, they just repeat what they have been taught to think.

I like to think I'm right, but if I wasn't and someone explained to me what I'm missing, it wouldn't distress me all that much, as there are many other things to think about and the people I live around are not particularly philosophical anyway and usually just ignore me when I get too analytical. Frankly it disturbs me more to think I might be right and just have no way to get anyone to understand. It creates that bottled up feeling.

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Buck,

In reference to the idea of what I might call this description of time, the concept which seems to be presenting itself is "emergent linearity."

This is because it seems non-linear activity is a more fundamental state, given that much of it is in larger states of equilibrium, or cycles, where some overall balance exists. Even the concept of entropy only really refers to the effective direction of motion within a closed system, yet there don't seem to be any ultimately closed systems. Even the idea that the universe is a singular unit runs up against any number of issues, from where the initial low entropy singularity came from, the possibility of other such universes, unaccounted energies, etc.

So it seems time is a subjective linear projection distilled from this larger context. This plays out in many forms. In fact the very concept of "form" denotes such a projection, as it is created, evolves and absorbed back into the larger network. So its internal timeline goes from start to finish, as its external existence goes from being in the future, to being in the past, whether the form is the lifespan of a fly, or the history of the earth.

E. O. Wilson described the brain of an insect as essentially a thermostat. This really is how reactive life forms perceive reality, as reacting to variation of the present energy, as opposed the the higher order linear ordering of events.

So while our brains exist in the state of present energy which is creating the series of events and thus going from one to the next, our minds are the record of these events, that are receding into the past.

Just as each of us in this contest are trying to formulate and follow the evolving logic to create a sense of our own continuity, to pick our own thread of logic out of the larger field of energy and thoughts, so to is time that emergent linearity that bubbles up out of the field and then folds back into it. Sometimes as part of larger patterns being woven into ropes of time. Sometimes just floating out there on their own.

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Hi John,

Thanks for your clarifications, and I think I've got the jist of your theory and I tend to agree. The many-worlds solutions violate one of the basic premises of science: that there is "a" reality to investigate.

It seems like a good idea to point out that there really is no evidence to support the existence of past as a traversable, extant dimension... I appreciate that you have done so.

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Hello Amrit,

I appreciate your essay and find myself becoming more and more interested in the singular, instantaneous existence model which describes "now" versus the "block time" models. A very enjoyable read.

I hope to obtain funding to refine the assessment criteria, (and develop a glossary and project plan), and I believe that the phenomenology of time view which you propose would fare well under these criteria. I look forward to investigating these ideas in greater depth.

Thanks for sharing them!

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High Buck Field,

Someone who suggests something revolutionary in mathematics will certainly not be a candidate for the Fields medal.

It depends on whether or not my essay is correct how to judge it. It is definitely highly uncommon and overly unwelcome.

May I hope for a Field vote?

Eckard Blumschein

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Buck idea of atemporal space and time as a coordinate of motion works well.........

Eleven steps to right understanding of time

1. Motion of objects and particles do not happen in time, it happens in space only.

2. Time is what we measure with clocks: with clocks we measure duration and numerical order of massive objects and elementary particles motion into space.

3. As a "fourth" coordinate of space-time time is a "coordinate of motion", it describes motion of massive bodies and particles into space.

4. Space-time is a math model only; space-time does not exist as a physical reality.

5. In a model of space-time we describe motion of objects and particles into space.

6. Space itself is atemporal.

7. Humans experience atemporal space as a present moment.

8. Past and future exists only in the mind; physical past and future do not exist.

9. Time as a coordinate of motion in atemporal space exists only when we measure it.

10. Time as a "coordinate of motion" is not elementary physical quantity as energy, matter, space and motion are.

11. Universe is an atemporal phenomenon.

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