You wrote: "In the “chicken-egg” circle, the cause-and-effect relationship is broken." Well, in reality there is no such circle but undeniable causality. No chicken stems from its own egg.
I agree with Ritz rather than with Einstein's denial of the absolute real border between past and future. I will give a better reference to Ritz than I gave in a hurry in my essay "No standstill ... ".
How could science be better?
You wrote: "In the "chicken-egg" circle, the causal relationship is broken." Well, in fact, there is no such circle, but there is an undeniable causality. A chicken does not grow from its own egg.
Not from my own egg. Only from chicken - mothers. The chicken-egg relationship creates a chain. The question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg" allows you to accept any element of the chain as the beginning. The sequence of transformations closes the chain into a circle, eliminating the spiral of evolution. "And the ring has no beginning and no end."
I am a chemical engineer and the words of the poet are clear to me: "There is only a moment, between the past and the future, it is he who is called life" My hobby is the study of the pace of time. Not time, but the speed of time. My conclusions: the movement of time is a process that makes it possible for secondary processes (including life) to exist. Between the past and the future lies the present. The present has its duration - the period of transformation of the future into the past. I'm waiting for a link to Ritz.
As a chemical engineer, you will perhaps not doubt that causality has a direction from earlier to later. Process literally means this peculiarity. I do not say Einstein was a moron when he listed past and future with present time in between. Everybody is clever using fuzzy expressions like today, presently, ect. when it does not matter or it is even impossible to pinpoint something with respect to what our clocks in principle read. Nonetheless, from a logical perspective, I don't see presentism justified. Past and future are quite differen abstract categories. Do not confuse poetry, subjective perception, Einstein's religious belief etc. with the only reasonable measure of steadily growing or shrinking, respectively, temporal distance between two (idealized) points of time, an earlier one to a later one or vice versa. Time does not have a speed. It is rather used to measure speed.
Eckard Blumschein
"Time does not have a speed. It is rather used to measure speed". The essay analyzes the change in the pace of time. We need a check, then a conclusion.
"Past and future are quite different abstract categories". Like the duration of an event, past and future are abstract. As a physical phenomenon, past and future are different types of energy.
I will accept your denial if you explain the differences of one molecule in solid, liquid and gas.
Past and future are not merely distinct from each other. They do also belong to a conceptional category that is quite different from an extended present "moment now" alias event of unspecified duration between the far past and far future.
Unfortunately, you did not refer to any published work. You merely mentioned Kozyrev. I wonder if he could explain your idea and how to avoid errors as to make science better.
Dear Khaki Heron,
just followed the discussion here and saw your post about "resting in time". Now I wonder, do your statements also keep their validity in general relativity (GR)? Spacetime is a unit there and the metric splitting between space and time already requires space-time to obey certain symmetries. But assuming these are fulfiled. Then, resting in time, in my opinion, would still require a reference point more than just the time coordinate (as GR does not care about coordinates). we would rather have to specify with respect to which (other) reference frame the entity we are considering is resting in time. Would you agree? (I am also thinking about this in the context of Roger Penrose's idea, actually going back to Einstein's vision of GR that the spacetime metric has to be generated by all masses within our region of interest and that we can only make sense out of locations on this metric in the sense of relative relationships between different masses and test masses.
Best wishes,
Beige Bandicoot.
Jenny Wagner
My statements are of course in Restreint Relativity and not in GR . The 4-vector identity which I introduce in the first time in Minkowski space-time is as follows:
4-vector momentum= universal constant times 4-vector identity
4-vector identity=(speed of light times inertial time of the corpuscle, speed of the corpuscle times inertial time of the copuscle)
Inertial time of the corpuscle =universal constant times the energy of the corpuscle
It is evident now that:
4-vector wave-vector= universal constant times 4-vector identity
The inertial time is like a five dimension of space. The ordinary time is only change. Inertial time does'nt change if the energy of the corpuscle is constant.
Thanks for the clarification! Well, I was pondering that the concept of time gets a very juicy matter when
i) adding the problem that we do not have a unique global reference frame like flat Minkowski spacetime to anchor everything or
ii) considering macroscopic, averaged quantities that break the symmetries of all our microscopic laws of physics that allow for time reversal.
but as it seems, it is even difficult to grasp the notion of time for a simpler system.
Bests!
Beige Bandicoot.
BeigeBandicoot, KhakiHeron.
To your discussion, my opinion about space (part of the article).
Can the real world be n-dimensional?
To increase the dimension, there must be a ruler of dimensions 1,2,3,4….n. Linearity implies a dual system (1 and 3 are dual to each other, with respect to 2). For the emergence of the 3D world, the next possibility is to combine the 2D and 4D worlds and separate them into dual components. Two 4-dimensional worlds create 3-dimensional and 5-dimensional. From two two-dimensional worlds, a 3-dimensional and one-dimensional one arises. A variant of the emergence of a one-dimensional "arrow of time" and a 3-dimensional Nature was realized.
Why are space, matter, energy, etc. 3-dimensional? The 5th dimension is more diverse and more complex. In existing conditions, the main property of Nature is the desire for stability. Stability is achieved in two ways: by maintaining the potential in dynamics (conservation laws) and by accepting a minimum potential. In the cases under consideration, the minimum for the decay into integers is two.
About the starting point.
Nature is dual (zero splits into dualities). Therefore, the starting point must be and not be. Taking as a reference point the Void (the basis for decay), we make an analogy with the Universe. In the Universe, the property of the Void is possessed by Space. The universe is huge and in fact there is a reference point and there is no point.
Example. Start on a spaceship, the observer sees the Earth is moving away with acceleration. The observer makes a fundamental discovery: "There is a "dark" energy that can accelerate the movement of the Earth.
If we take the resting Space as a starting point, then the Nobel Prize will be awarded to another researcher.
Causal relationship.
A cause-and-effect relationship is given by an analogue of thermodynamics - the movement goes from a large potential to a small one. This is how learning arose, that is, human behavior is subject to the same laws as physics. The great potential of the mind created the desire to know the unknown.
Question. How do you feel about horror in physics? (A lot of darkness, uncertainty, etc. terms, but fear / horror is not yet used).
Alaya Kouki BeigeBandicoot, KhakiHeron.
To your discussion, my opinion about space (part of the article).
Can the real world be n-dimensional?
To increase the dimension, there must be a ruler of dimensions 1,2,3,4….n. Linearity implies a dual system (1 and 3 are dual to each other, with respect to 2). For the emergence of the 3D world, the next possibility is to combine the 2D and 4D worlds and separate them into dual components. Two 4-dimensional worlds create 3-dimensional and 5-dimensional. From two two-dimensional worlds, a 3-dimensional and one-dimensional one arises. A variant of the emergence of a one-dimensional "arrow of time" and a 3-dimensional Nature was realized.
Why are space, matter, energy, etc. 3-dimensional? The 5th dimension is more diverse and more complex. In existing conditions, the main property of Nature is the desire for stability. Stability is achieved in two ways: by maintaining the potential in dynamics (conservation laws) and by accepting a minimum potential. In the cases under consideration, the minimum for the decay into integers is two.
About the starting point.
Nature is dual (zero splits into dualities). Therefore, the starting point must be and not be. Taking as a reference point the Void (the basis for decay), we make an analogy with the Universe. In the Universe, the property of the Void is possessed by Space. The universe is huge and in fact there is a reference point and there is no point.
Example. Start on a spaceship, the observer sees the Earth is moving away with acceleration. The observer makes a fundamental discovery: "There is a "dark" energy that can accelerate the movement of the Earth.
If we take the resting Space as a starting point, then the Nobel Prize will be awarded to another researcher.
Causal relationship.
A cause-and-effect relationship is given by an analogue of thermodynamics - the movement goes from a large potential to a small one. This is how learning arose, that is, human behavior is subject to the same laws as physics. The great potential of the mind created the desire to know the unknown.
Question. How do you feel about horror in physics? (A lot of darkness, uncertainty, etc. terms, but fear / horror is not yet used).
Aleksandr Maltsev
"Two 4-dimensional worlds create 3-dimensional and 5-dimensional." as you say.
I can consider the 4-dimentionnal space as the inertial time of a corpuscle so we get in all five dimension (4 space and 1 time). Let's continue and we can say "Two 5-dimensional worlds create 4-dimensional and 6-dimensional." but the question what is the significance of the 5-space dimension ? we built theories like this and we haven't any issue to prove it experimentally. It is like string theory which I had never beleive in it because there is no issue for experimental data or procedure to do it.
About dark energy we should thrust in maths. The first time when scientists speak about vacuum energy is Planck book 1911 "Theory of heat radiation" -. Planck conclude that when an oscillator is in its fundamental state its energy is not equal to zero ( he take the mean energy of an oscillator when it is in quantum state n and in quantum n+1 so for n=0 the energy of the oscillator is not equal to zero). The Planck constant h is the area of the space phase of the oscillator between the level n and the level n+1. At n=0 the area between n=0 and the origin of the space phase is equal to zero so vacuum energy is also zero according to Planck model of the black body radiation but Planck take another way in considering the mean energy of the oscillator and he conclude that atoms are filled with energy.
In fact we can get the same Planck conclusion by considering Shrodinger equation to get the energy of an osciilator and by applying Bohr priniple of correspondance in quantum mechanics. The area between the level n=0 and the origin of phase space of the oscillator will not equal to zero: it is equal to h/2 and so there is vacuum energy because all the oscillators when temeprature tends to zero will lies in this area. This is the power of maths and principles.
Dear Khaki Heron,
seems we share a certain down-to-earth attitude, as I just read your replies here after answering myself in the other thread. In case you want to follow up, here's my answer: https://forums.fqxi.org/d/3955-of-senses-and-sciences/36
Cheers,
Beige Bandicoot.
Alaya Kouki Dear KhakiHeron
Footnote "Can the real world be n-dimensional?" from a philosophical article. Mathematics shows that the Universe (matter, space, time, energy) arose as a result of a double dual decay. with cross join.
I apologize for the google translate.
MV - matter TE - physical vacuum. Phenomena of Nature: mass, volume, energy. time.
The disintegration and unification of components can be explained by applying the concept of potential. The total potential of the Proto-nature is equal to zero. Let: τ = (-3); V=(-1); E=1; M=3. Potential of Proto-Vacuum τ V and Protomatter EM is respectively equal to (-4) and (+4) or duality is equal to 8.
Further decay into dual pairs ( τ - V) and (E - M) creates the possibility for the formation of different variants of connections between them. The EV and MT variants describe systems that are neutral in potential and do not interact with each other. This is a variant of the dead nature.
The variant МV=3—1=2 and τ Е= (-3) +1=-2 creates a new dual pair with a low degree of opposition relative to the pair "protomatter - protovacuum". The result of such a connection will be a decrease in the "confrontation" between the dual components and an increase in the stability of new systems. The unification of parts of different dual pairs created matter MV and ether τ E. Double decay and subsequent synthesis restored the unity of Proto-nature, at a new qualitative level
- The emergence of Natural Phenomena from Proto-Nature indicates the equivalence of the Natural Phenomena. Equivalence is achieved when:
- equality. Equality creates stagnation - a variant of dead Nature (explanation of the adoption by unequal potentials of the Phenomena of Nature τ = (-3); V= (-1); E=1; M=3);
- activities in different areas, with mutual communication. Variant of dynamic Nature.
- Interaction arises when it is possible to create multivariate states between points characterizing Phenomena. On the plane, the first multivariant (flexible) system is a quadrilateral (in our case, M, V, τ, E). Consequently, in the absence of defects in the Phenomena of Nature, the world would be flat. Proto-nature, divided into complex parts, matter MV and physical vacuum TE, further manifests its duality by the defects of the Natural Phenomena. Defects (movement) made the world three-dimensional. And vice versa. The volume allowed defects to occur.
- Dual disintegration breaks the unity of the original system. Duality is described by a line. To maintain unity, the line must close. The line closes faster in a plane than in a volume. Consequently, the division of the Phenomena of Nature into perpendicular planes is the most advantageous variant of preserving the dual world in unity.
Experimental verification - excess radiation of energy by the Moon. The effect is proportional to the square of the mass and Jupiter is better, but farther away.
Thank you for attention
Alaya Kouki Calculations show: physical vacuum energy 1/h
Aleksandr Maltsev
Observations of the cosmos shows that vacuum energy=1E-9 Joule/m3 which correspond to a frequency of the fundamental state of the electromagnetic field v=1E12 Hz: I do a model for this which is:
Consider that Universe is a black body. Take the Planck model of the black body radiation. When the temperature tends to zero than all the oscillators tends to the area of space phase equal to h/2.
The mean energy of an oscillator is as follows:
-Replace in Planck formulae of mean energy hv by hv/2.
-Replace in Planck formulae kT by hv0/2 where v0 is the mean frequency of oscillator in Boltzmann model
-Integrate for all frequencies the density of energy--> you get a law proportionnel to the forth power of v0--> so you can deduce v0 from General Relativity.
v0 is declared as universal constant.
Integrate the new ideas in Quantum mechanics-->you can deduce the Newton potential from quantum mechanics when you consider space as a collection of an infinite oscillators.
"To unify quantum and classical physics, consider temperature."
Temperature in classical physics is the mean kinetic energy of a gaz in a given volume.
In quantum mechanics temperature tranduce the entropy of an oscillator of a black body i.e. it transduce irreversibility or chaotic mouvement. If the vibration of the oscillators of a black body are perfect than there is no entropy and the potentiel energy of an oscillator is transformed periodically to its kinetic energy without any loss.
If the vibrations are chaotic than there is entropy and the mean energy of an oscillator depends of its frequency and the temperature of the medium.
Consider now cosmos, its temperature tends theoritically to zero so there is no radiation but cosmos is expanding due to vacuum energy or constant lambda of General Relativity. Vacuum energy can be considered as the density of energy of the fundamental state of the electromgnetic field so we should need a new universal constant to modelise the mean energy of an oscillator in the classical case (Boltzmann case) as hv0/2 so we can deduce the value of v0.
Combinig this constant with Planck constant and speed of light we get the unique abslute system of unities in which all interactions are unified in one interaction: the case when considering the space as a comosed of an inifinite number of oscillators lead to the Newton gravitationnel field.
Alaya Kouki The definition "Temperature in classical physics is the mean kinetic energy of a gaz in a given volume" does not allow one to unify quantum and classical physics. To emit a photon, an electron, in a classical molecule, reduces its energy.
Aleksandr Maltsev
OK. I don't say this. Quatum mechanics and classical physics are unified by Bhor Principle of Correspondance. Bhor consider this principle as a quantum principle and it is valid for any quatum level. Fot high quatum levels quatum mechanics is the same as classical physics. For low quantum levels Bhor consider that there is a classical measuring which correspond to the level, that's why he consider the principle as general. I use it to found that vacuum have an energy.
Alaya Kouki I start with Newton. I use the Lorentz invariance, the characteristics of a moving body, to describe matter as a unity of mass and volume MV (Newton did not take into account the volume). Further algebra, geometry and differentiation.