Does Objective Reality Exist? Great Mysteries of Physics Part 4 -- FQxI Podcast

Georgina Woodward

@"Georgina Woodward"#p1677
As I was saying......not a singular veiwpoint or from singular mesuments but the Orientation and separation in relation to other existing parts.

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
Another way of interpreting the intended meaning of the use of the word 'pattern' is template. Being the precursor to each individual relative observation product or measurement. The manifestation of the products are not random, as Quantum physics would have it ('God does not play dice' , alluding to Einstein's statement) outcomes depend on the preexisting ' template'.

Lorraine Ford

Georgina Woodward
In the real world, the real world of specialists like the doctors and nurses who are currently attending to you in hospital, the real world of physicists, and car mechanics, are you also philosophically questioning everything that these specialists say and do, or is it only the climate scientists you are picking on?

In the real world, the real world of specialists like doctors, nurses, physicists, and car mechanics, do you also refuse to accept the consensus opinion of other professions, or is it only climate scientists you are picking on?

The only real-world issue is that you refuse to accept the consensus opinion of the majority of climate scientists, and you label those people who accept the consensus opinion of the majority of climate scientists as “fearmongers”.

Georgina Woodward

Lorraine Ford
The title of the thread is ,'Does objective reality exist?' It is a question to think about and discuss. It is not about disrespect of educated groups of people. Yes for what it's worth ,I do ask questions to mechanics, pharmacists, doctors and nurses. While respecting their diligence, education and experience. No group of people is omnscient and beyond human fallibility.

Vijay Gupta

PicoPhysics: It is seen that the issue of Reality being discussed at multiple forums post 2022 Nobel price, At the core of this issue is Probability vs Possibility. When you throw a dice the probability of one the face at the top is 1/6. So if you throw the dice 6 million times, a particular face will appear a million times. This can be predicted to an accuracy of say 0.001%. This is devoid of reality of the dice, its structure, (say the Face-1 is lighter then others, then it will through up more often then others). Similar issues are seen in many aspects contemporary science. PicoPhysics is a deterministic theory based on single truth statement "Space Contains Kenergy". It is very specific in interpretation of Observations on Nature in all branches of science.

The essential element of the PicoPhysicst thought process is reality exists irrespective of Observer. Observation is a projection of reality on the Observer. So once an entangled pair is produced - irrespective of the time of measurement on individual particles the result will be the same. The measurements can be performed simultaneously, or with a gap in space and time, it can not affect the result. The observation on "Quantum Entanglement" establishes reality is not affected by observation. The uncertainty principle must be seen in this perspective (Impact of observation on reality).

Let us say we have conservation of charge as a fundamental reality. A neutral particle " say a photon > 1.04 Mev" splits to form two particles that fly apart in space. At any time in the future. if one of the particles is detected to be +ive, the other can be inferred to be -ve. Now this proves a reality. However in the case of entanglement due to our preconceived notion of interpretation of Schrodinger's equation, we talk in terms of probability (ruling out nothing at any time) the characteristic on the companion particle has to be physically determined and not inferred. Hence the determination of +ive charge on one particle transmits through space to other particles to be determined -ive. These Entaglement observations are similar. It proves the reality of entanglement rather than mystifying the universe further. Scherodinger's equation when derived from Unary Principle (Space Contains Kenergy) the wave function is K-energy density - a function of space and chronological variable. And interpretation of the probability of finding an object at a location is replaced by the possibility of finding the object at that location. In PicoPhysics Universe is composed by two identities Sapce & Kenergy. The relationship between the two is enunciated by the Unary Principle "Space Contains Kenergy". While primary interaction between Space and kenergy manifests in the phenomenon we observe as the Refraction of light.

Quantum Entanglement experimental proof establishes a deterministic nature in line with the thought process of PicoPhysics. While modern science deals with uncertainties and probabilities, PicoPhysics explains observations on the universe with determinism and Possibilities.

Georgina Woodward

I’ve nearly finished reading ‘Fossil Future” by Alex Epstetein. A premise examined throughout the book is that there are two competing ideologies that are generally used in characterizing nature and how mankind’s energy use fits with the chosen ideology.

One of the ideas, said to be anti human in the book, characterizes nature as a delicate nurturer of living things. In delicate balance, easily becoming dangerous, when impacted by man. Tends to favour relatively unreliable wind and solar energy production. Paying attention to their benefits, but not negatives, such as the need for fossil fuel built distribution infrastructure, production of wind or solar farm materials, lack of recycling, unfair incentives, or side effects. Pointing out possible harms of fossil fuels while ignoring the many benefits and climate adaption they make possible.

The other idea, said to prioritize human flourishing, is that nature has always been a challenge to the survival and flourishing of mankind . Though fossil fuel use mankind has been able to flourish by precaution, and adaption to environmental challenges. Increased food production. Sanitation, clean water, heating/ cooling, building materials and construction for resilience and insulation, affordable clothing, materials and pharmaceuticals

Shows the dilemma is not about facts alone

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
The book also considers the question of available fossil fuels going forward, future fussion sourced energy ( a minor consideration), currently available fission sourced energy (obstacles and potential benefits) and micro-nuclear for domestic and transport uses. As well as industrial.

Robert McEachern

AI Mode:
McEachern's views on quantum reality

McEachern reinterprets several fundamental aspects of quantum mechanics:

He argues that the wavefunction doesn't represent information in the classical sense because it cannot be perfectly copied according to Shannon's definition. Instead, he suggests it describes the state of observations, including potential measurement errors.
He views quantum mechanics as an incomplete description of reality, focusing only on energy-detection statistics rather than particle or wave movements.
He proposes that the uncertainty principle reflects the limit on extractable information from a measurement (one bit) rather than fundamental natural fuzziness.
He suggests the observer's mind primarily influences the interpretation of results, not the physical process itself.
He stresses the distinction between detection and measurement, arguing that quantum theory deals primarily with detection and that misinterpretation occurs when it is seen as measurement.
He suggests that in Bell tests, failure to distinguish between intended and unintended detections ("bit-errors") makes classical and quantum predictions appear more divergent than they are.

Key concepts

Shannon's Information Theory: McEachern uses this theory to reinterpret quantum mechanics, focusing on the information content of observations and measurement.
Matched Filtering/Fingerprinting: He proposes that deterministic interactions can arise from "noise-like" entities recognizing each other through unique patterns, leading to emergent determinism.

In essence

McEachern aims to demystify quantum mechanics through an information-centric view, suggesting that a careful re-evaluation of core concepts and interpretation can lead to a more consistent understanding.

yusrob

I understand that NATURE itself is an objective reality that exists outside of our consciousness and independently of our consciousness.
Nature is fundamentally material and dialectical.
Nature exists absolutely.
Nature exists without relation to anyone or anything.
Nature cannot not exist.
Nature is not a dream, not a fantasy, not an illusion.
Nature is the basis for everything and everyone in our world.
What is NATURE?
Read my article “Nature as an Objective Reality” (https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSNAA).
But if you are interested in this, then you should read my book “Theory of Nature” (in Russian) (https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSTON).

With respect

Robert Yusupov from Vladivostok, independent researcher, dialectical materialist, Marxist, communist

References

Nature as an Objective Reality https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSNAA ,
Philosophy and Physics https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSPAP ,
Theory of Nature (in Russian) https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSTON ,
Announcement of the Scientific Revolution https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSAOT ,
The Third Side of the Main Question of Philosophy (MQP) https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSTTS ,
About the Quantum of Matter for Philosophers https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSPAT-2 ,
My View on K. Popper's Criterion https://philpapers.org/rec/YUSOLA .

Yangtze

Quantum Mechanics, or Quantum Geography?

Introduction

Quantum Mechanics is often described as the most successful theory in physics—predictive, precise, and indispensable. Yet behind the triumph lies an unease: the patchwork of interpretations, the unresolved paradoxes, and the uneasy silence whenever the question “what does it mean?” is asked.

What if our problem is not the mechanics, but the map?

The Shift: From Mechanics to Geography

Mechanics is the study of motion, force, and interaction. Geography is the study of space, place, and relation. Quantum theory has been treated mechanically, as if particles are tiny billiard balls with probabilistic rules. But what if reality at its most fundamental is not mechanical at all—it is geographical: a topology of resonance, a harmonic landscape where position, relation, and scale carry more weight than force.

This is not wordplay. It is a re-anchoring. Quantum Geography proposes that what we call “uncertainty” is not indeterminacy, but the inability of a mechanical model to fully chart a geographical one.

The Problems Reframed

The Measurement Problem becomes a question of mapping: when we measure, we collapse not a wavefunction but a resonance onto a local coordinate chart.
Entanglement ceases to be “spooky action” and instead is recognition that distant points share the same underlying harmonic geography.
Quantum Gravity stops being the impossible marriage of two formalisms and instead emerges naturally when the geometry of space and the geography of resonance are one and the same.

Looking Forward

If Quantum Mechanics was the great triumph of the 20th century, Quantum Geography may be the compass for the 21st. We do not need to discard the mechanics—it will remain as the local approximation—but we must lift our eyes to the larger terrain.

This is my position, and my provocation: physics has mistaken the road for the map. It is time we study the landscape itself.

Quantum Mechanics gave us the equations of the road; Quantum Geography shows us the shape of the terrain. The future of physics will belong not to the traveler, but to the cartographer. Jason Mercer 2025

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