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Hi dear Ray,

The velocity of rotation is directly linked with mass .

For each speed of rotation it exists a specific mass .About attaction and polarization (+) it's interesting no?

the sens of rotation and its velocity directly linked to polarisations and building in Time Space...

rotation....mass....gravity....energy.....spherization.The complexity returns to the simplicity .

friendly

Steve

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Dear Ray

Check the rotation ,it's check the mass ,the gravity thus energy ...it's only simple as that I think but if we study in deeper it's very complex the rotation .But the key is there .

Rotation spherization in Time Space .

Steve

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Dear Steve,

I must admit that I am not yet to the point of deriving dynamics. I am still developing parts of this Octonion-Quaternion E12 model, and still convincing myself that an Octonion E8 is insuficient by itself. My next paper will compare and contrast E8, E10 and E12. IF E12 is the proper TOE, then it implies specific fermion, boson, and scalar boson content. I have deduced this content for E12, but have not yet written out its Lagrangian. Parts of that are simple, and parts may be complicated - I can only guess that it would take me a productive year (and another involved paper) to untangle.

Once we have a Lagrangian, we must prove that it reduces to the known forces. THEN (2 or 3 years away?), we can finally feel good about deriving dynamics from it.

I applaude your excitement about your Spherization Theory, and your willingness to jump in full-speed. Perhaps you should see if your theory agrees with General Relativity on certain examples.

I am hoping to have more time soon...

Sincerely, Ray Munroe

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Dear Ray ,

The problem is that E8 E12 quaternion ...,imaginary.. ,complex,hypercomplex....is infinite thus you are going to have so many superpositions ,...further the mind creativity is infinite thus many extrapolations are possible ,like superluminal,block Universe,multiverses.....really I like these extrapolations ,it's interesting but really it's not foundamental for me ,like strings or others creative mathematical human extrapolations ....I like dream you know dear Ray ,and the word is weak ,but some foundamentals are there .We can't deny this evidence .Let's give a proof against spherization ,I think it's impossible .Really .

It's not a critic ,i like others works but I think Spherization is more foundamental than strings or multiverses or ....The spherization is more complex than you can imagine too .All systems are in correlation with spherization .

It's logic,rational,evident,harmonic,balanced,basic,foundamental.

Friendly

Steve

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Dear Steve,

As I have defined E12, it has a particle content of 684 degrees of freedom. If Supersymmetry is true, then we must double that number. This is a large number of degrees of freedom, but symmetries demand certain patterns. I might not ever understand everything that this theory predicts - for instance, it predicts "scalar fermions". And although some theorists have proposed such things, I cannot quite imagine it. Maybe I am "wasting" productive years on this "crazy" idea, but the symmetries appeal to me, and inspire me. Lisi's E8 is interesting, but I am convinced it is wrong. It greatly disturbs me that he includes bosons and third-generation fermions in the same sub-group. E12 is large enough to contain all of these theories: 11-dimensional M-theory, 10-dimensional Octonion Theory, 8-dimensional E8 Theory, Prime Quaternion Theory, and I am certan the list goes on. My particular E12 only becomes infinite when we take the limit to E-Infinity and include Kaluza-Klein particles.

Your Spherization Theory is very interesting. I am not married to String Theory. Considering the wave-particle duality of matter, I would not be surprised if the "Universal Foundation" has a string-sphere (or lattice) dual nature as well. All of these lattices (such as the self-dual E8) have dual lattices that represent their Brilloin zones.

You should research Fractal Kissing Spheres. I think that is the fundamental mechanism behind Spherization Theory. Consider the importance of Kissing Spheres: the 240 roots of E8 are also the number of 7-dimensional kissing spheres in the 8-dimensional space.

Perhaps you could find some examples to support your theory, similar to Len Malinowski's approach to Scale Relativity.

Have Fun!

Your Friend, Ray Munroe

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Dear Ray,

I have met here on FQXi ,very very creative minds ,the world needs these extrapolations and that to catalyze the research of truth .A mind which searches is a mind which catalyzes and thus increases the speed of evolution .

I am very happy to see this kind of ideas like yours ,E12 ,the work of Georgina ,Amrit ,Mr Barbour ,Mr Malinowski,and others .It's a real pleasure to read these works ,these concepts ,these ideas .The creativity is so important .

All these extrapolations and discussions are essentials to explore,to discover ,to experiment ,to proof ,to search ....

It's fascinating our Universe and its secrets around us ,in us .

YOU SAY

"E12 is large enough to contain all of these theories: 11-dimensional M-theory, 10-dimensional Octonion Theory, 8-dimensional E8 Theory, Prime Quaternion Theory, and I am certan the list goes on."

I understand ,it's your scale in fact .Yes indeed in this logic the list goes on ...many superimposings ,so many ...

Your perception of a scale is interesting ,the research of truth always near our walls ,our limits .It could be interesting to improve the architecture of these two scale of limits with a spherical superimposing in correlation with the scale what I said before about quat/cosmol numbers and spheres of different volumes.I think with a specific logic spherical architecture superimposing ,we are going to have interestings datas.

YOU SAY

"I think that is the fundamental mechanism behind Spherization Theory. Consider the importance of Kissing Spheres: the 240 roots of E8 are also the number of 7-dimensional kissing spheres in the 8-dimensional space."

Yes indeed a specific spherical fractal ,but complex ,very more complex than this one I think .

It's the space between sphere which are secrets for me ,because it's difficult to imagine the balance between all these spheres and furthermore ,so far of us this ultim spherical architecture.

But we can create a scale ,an approximation .This system will help in all centers of interest I think .All can be studied with a classing ,a good taxonomy of spheres with many parameters .

YOU SAY

"Perhaps you could find some examples to support your theory, similar to Len Malinowski's approach to Scale Relativity."

I suppose some links are possible like with others works I think ,the complementarity is universal and foundamental .Fortunally lol...

Until soon dear friend Ray

sincerely

Steve

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Dear Steve,

I think it would be wonderful if a 12-dimensional E12 could unify the unusual collection of interesting new (and old) Theories in the same manner that Witten's 11-dimensional M-Theory unified the various 10-dimensional String Theories that preceded it. I am attracted to the beauty of a possible TOE, and simultaneously replulsed by the broken ugliness (but practicality) of the Standard Model.

You say "It's the space between sphere which are secrets for me ,because it's difficult to imagine the balance between all these spheres and furthermore ,so far of us this ultim spherical architecture". With fractal kissing spheres, we start with a large central sphere, surround it by a set of secondary-sized kissing spheres, surround those by a set of tertiary-sized kissing spheres that fill most of the space between the prior spheres, and so on until we create a new, larger sphere out of an infinite collection of fractal kissing spheres. If we push the series to infinity, then there are no "spaces between spheres". Certainly, this would represent a great balance of numbers and geometry. I wonder what these would look like in 4, 8 and 12 dimensions. And this would imply more than 684 degrees of freedom in 12 dimensions because your secondary spheres are smaller than the first. Would such a study of multi-dimensional fractal kissing spheres reinforce El Naschie's use of special numbers?

Your ideas are interesting, and perhaps parallel to mine, but I am currently committed to pushing E12 to the next level. Fractal kissing spheres are a side interest.

Have Fun!

Sincerely, Ray Munroe

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Dear Ray ,

Yes of course but it's not what I said .

In fact the numbers of spheres is not the problem ,you are going to understand .

the main number is this one: 1 for the main sphere .numbers of glaxies .numbers of stars.numbers of palnets

Thus simply 1 X Gal Num X St Num X Pl numbers and we have the begining with its volumes ...let's imagine all in very stron interactions ,logic because it' near the limit

This number is the base ,the problem is that the space will be in correlation with the ultim cosmological sphere .In one word ,how will be the contact ....the number is not infinite ,this numbers is in correlation with numbers of fields,the numb of rotations ....the mass ...in fact all is linked .But the combinations are so numerous between very stron interactions and very weaks...it's there it's interesting in orrelation with spherization evolution...

An hypothesis what is the correlation between quantum cosmology....the interactions and the numbers ....for exemples if the planets are in correlation with weak interactions .....in fact it's a superimposing of spherical fields between spheres and its dynamic .

The infinite is behind the wall for me thus behid this ultim main sphere with number one like the center of Universe .

It's very important I think this specific multiplication of cosmological systems and the number of this multiplication

1 X x X y X z mainly for the base if we insert the biological life on aire ,on the surface of course this number will be more ...but the base is with spherical cosmological system .

The contact in this vision is less important due to our limits or perception(quant/cosm)we shall increase the space proportionally with the increase of volume (interesting to compute no ? let's imagine with mass and biological evolution....in resume these numbers ...H CNO...amino acids...cells....buildind of spheres ....an intersting quantum cosmological scale I think . ....possibility link with the time constant and the harmonic sequences too .

Thus the spheres fractal must be specific ....if we insert the others laws and foundamentals ,an universal system can be studied deeper .

The Theory of everything ,I think it's all this spherization by small coded spheres .

You know ,it's evident in fact ,there is an thing very interesting with the spherization,the evolution point of vue ,we have so much things still to discover between these two limits quat and cosmo ,so many interactions and fields ,rotations and comportments ...and to build ,to complexificate,to improve,to polarize,to harmonize ,to spherisize towards a beautiful future sphere and its space and its systems in ultim connectibility .Let's imagine our young knowledge ,our young life ...

Until soon Ray

sincerely

Steve

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Dear Steve,

I am also interested in Cosmology - I performed Cosmic Ray research (some of my fellow Professors caled me "Dr. Cosmic Ray") with NASA while I was a Professor, and taught Astronomy at the local Community College for several years after I came back into the business world.

However, your questions sound closer to Len Malinowski's research. If you follow that path much farther, you will intersect with my interests regarding Dirac's Large Number.

If Len's Scale Relativity is correct, then understanding the very small will also help us understand the very large.

Because I am more interested in E12, I am currently focusing on the very small side of things.

We just need to publish our respective theories...

Have Fun!

Your Friend, Ray Munroe

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Dear Ray ,

Hello Dr Cosmic ,it's me Dr Spheric hihihhi .

I understand the Dirac Large Number ,always our research near limits .

YOU SAY

"If Len's Scale Relativity is correct, then understanding the very small will also help us understand the very large."

The complementarity is essential for me ,I am persuaded that my theory will be completed with good foundamental works.

We can superimpose indeed .......

At this moment I link the small and the cosmol.,of course in spherization between them, there is a lot .I like taxonomy ,spherical taxonomy.It's fascinating when you class all ,you see the spherization everywhere .

Yes of course ,the publication ....you know I forget always to adapt me on the system hihihi lol How can I do ??? hihihi

Friendly

Steve

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Dear Dr. Spheric Steve (LOL),

I am not the expert at publications. When I ran with mainstream Physicists, I was published in Physical Review D. But they were not interested in the ideas in my book - I was probably too radical and they were too polite to say, so I self-published that book after multiple peer review rejections. Last year, I wrote two articles for the Journal of Chaos, Solitons & Fractals (that still have not gone to print - I hear they are months behind with printing these accepted articles). El Naschie seemed to enjoy my ideas, but his influence seems diminished, and my latest paper does not involve any of those three subjects.

I am nearly finished with my current paper. Upon completion, I will probably send it to arXiv.org - they seem open-minded to radical, but consistent, ideas by people with the proper credentials.

Have Fun!

Your Friend, Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Dear dr Cosmic Ray ,

The Dirac Large Number is interesting indeed .

The hypothesis of Dirac towards a quantum gravity theory .

The ratio between the Univers dimension and the strenghts is interesting .

Personnally I see the quantum gravity in correlation with the velocity of rotation .The quantum gravity is an add of spherical fields and spheres in rotation .

The gravity,the mass.....rotation simply.

Of course many unknew are in these limits and many hidden parameters exist of course near this quantum limit .

If we consider the specific fractal what I said before ,we can extrapolate the number of fields and the combinations ,I repeat but the velocity of rotation is proportional to the mass and gravity .

Let's imagine the quantum system with these specific fractal spheres ,this number implies a number of fields and superimposings .In this logic we can link with the mass and these numbers ,an other point is the relation between the force of interactions and the velocity of rotation of the specific sphere.....for exemple a very weak intractions are probably a more weak velocity of rotation .....thus in this logic we can extrapolate with light and the linear velocity ,this photon don't turn around itself eureka that's why it's linear .Thus mass towards centers and thus light towards ....the light hasn't polarity ??? because I think The velocity of rotation implies mass and gravity and the polarity and what the sens of rotation implies or - .

I think the velocity of rotation around itself is very important .

Until soon Ray

friendly

Steve

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Dear Ray ,

You know the rotation is fascinating like the gravity .

In this logic all can be explained too like the spherization .Let's imagine the velocity of a sphere around itself ,I think this rotation with quantum codes are important in correlation with centers.

This velocity implies the attraction....and these hidden parameters to spherisize and complexificate systems in Time constant .

The velocity of rotation can have many speeds ,let's imagine a Black Hole ,we admit a supergravity ,in my logic this attraction ,this supermass is a super velocity of a specific quantum spherical system .

Let's take now the Dark Matter ,let's imagine a sphere without velocity of rotation thus any mass and gravity and attraction....thus an explaination ...the spherization and the increase of mass by activation thus acceleration towards constant velocity thus a specific quantum system ,coded since the begining.

In this logic the time activate ultim particle ....perhaps the contraction and the link volume and pression ....in fact all parameters are interesting in this extrapolation.

Until soon dr Cosmic Ray

Steev

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Hi dr Cosmic Ray ,

The velocity of rotation of a sphere is very interesting and that with relativity .

It exists in my theory so many rotations .It s interesting too to extrapolate these velocities and the relation with walls ,Dark Matter ,Black Hole ,and the quantum wall in each ultim particle and its codes of comportments.

If we check the rotation and its velocity thus we check ....I think one thing let's imagine a sphere in a non gravitational system ,if we give an impulsion to rotate ,the system will continue in Time thus a multiplication in time of the impulsion thus the energy .

Friendly

Steve

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Dear Ray ,

All systems in correlation with spherization and rotation shall give best results I think .

I am fascinated by the potential of these systems .

Let's take an add of pulleys .....let's take a mass ,a big mass ....we can make very interesting things with the gravity ,the Ep and E c ......a very interesting point of vue about energy and gravity ,mass ,rotation ,spherization.

Let's imagine the forces ...a weak energy to increase the Ep mgh ..1/2 mv² I like so much this equation...it's interesting if we add others systems like incompressible liquid on ground and turbins.This energy potential ....always everywhere .....

Thus still a check of energy ,gravity ,mass ,rotation....to use in complementarity this energy .

Steve

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Dear Dr. Spherical Steve,

I have been thinking more about Fibonacci's sequence as it relates to fractal kissing spheres. Fibonacci's sequence is 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,...etc.

Note that the number one is repeated. Upon further consideration, I think that the second set of spheres should be the same size as the central primary sphere. This accounts for the repeated number one, and allows the 240 roots of E8 to be a relevant number (the number of kissing spheres in 8 dimensions). If our second set of spheres was smaller than the primary sphere, then we would have more than 240 roots in 8 dimensions.

The progressively smaller spheres represent more massive particles (Kaluza-Klein Dark Matter candidates) that exist in smaller (non-inflated) Octonion Hyperspace dimensions. Including these smaller spheres into your theory is equivalent to taking the limit as E12 approaches E-Infinity in my theory. To include Supersymmetry, I may have to take the limit as E12 X E12 approaches E-Infinity X E-Infinity.

You are correctly concerned about helicity (such as right or left handed spin for fermions). You may need two sets of fractal kissing spheres rotating in opposite directions to represent helicity. If we double the numbers in Fibonacci's sequence (for two sets of similar spheres rotating in opposite directions) then we get 0,2,2,6,10,16,26,42,68,...etc. Note that El Naschie makes heavy use of many of these numbers. The only significant difference is that El Naschie considers the number 10 to be an exact number (of String Theory dimensions), and "fractalized" 16 to 16.18, 26 to 26.18, and 42 to 42.36 by multiplying with the golden mean.

If we also consider Supersymmetry, then we may need 4 sets of fractal kissing spheres: the two prior sets plus their supersymmetric partners. Thus a spin ½ electron has a spin zero selectron, and so on. If we multiply Fibonacci's sequence by four, we get 0,4,4,8,12,20,32,52,84,136,...etc. These fours may represent Quaternions, the eight may represent an Octonion E8, the 12 may represent my E12 TOE, and the 136 may be related to El Naschie's/ Eddington's Alpha Bar Theory.

Jason may not realize that your primary language is French, and English is a secondary language for you. He is asking if anyone else is pursuing this Spherization Theory idea. I am unaware, but I am somewhat isolated from most physicists. You may want to ask Dr. Nasr Ahmed at nasr2000@gawab.com if he knows of anyone else pursuing this idea. He recently received his Ph.D. from Newcastle upon Tyne, but may be travelling to Egypt soon. He is interested in extra dimensions and the golden mean.

Your Friend, Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Dear Dr. Spherical Steve,

It is a delicate balance - being original enough that people are interested, and being similar enough to existing science that people do not ignore you as a crazy person. I might be guilty of the latter. At least, I have not yet seen anyone else (other than an occasional El Naschie reference) writing about my ideas. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

And then if you do find that perfect balance, you must worry about someone stealing it for fame or money.

I have my business. I will earn an honest living whether anyone likes my scientific ideas or not. If they like my ideas, they can offer me one of the many awards or prizes that are available in this industry. I am not too busy to fly to a conference to speak and accept an award.

If you are concerned about someone taking your ideas, we can go "underground". We have each other's e-mail addresses.

It is a shame that Science is not always "humanistic". There is too much value in intellectual property.

Have Fun!

Your Friend, Dr. Cosmic Ray

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How is my english ,dear Ray ...I am going to improve it .

I d like speak english like in french ,it could be easier to explain my theory and my different points of vue .

Hope it's not catastrophic my poor english .

Languages are not my favorite topic lol

Sorry for that

friendly

Steve

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Hi dr Cosmic Ray ,

I insist on the velocity of rotation .A simple equivalence m1v1=m2v2=m3v3......masse and velocity of rotation of a sphere around itself .It's a constant .

A other point important is the numbers of Stars in our Universe ,

the spherical fractal of spheres will be in correlation with this numbers of stars ,

A other kind of interesting thing for number,it's the numbers of coded centers thus coded ultim architecture .

In this vision ,I see a main center of course the universal center .After the centers of super groups of galaxies ,after the centers of groups of galaxies ,after of galaxies ..stars ...planets......we can innsert too an /veg min /....ultim particle ....these numbers are indeed very interesting .

If we extrapolate with quantum dimension ,the numbers are in correlation with the numbers of spheres in rotation .

Let's link the Velocity of rotation of a sphere with mass ,gravity ....and with these numbers too because the numbers of fields are too in correlation .

The rotation of spheres around itself ....implies the mass if I extrapolate with the main sphere with its volume ....thus several hypothesis are possible ....about the volume of the sphere in rotation and the main code ....it's interesting ...this logic implies a main code in the main sphere like in our Universe Eureka .Thus it's important to consider these numbers and the volume of spheres ,and too the correlation in spherization logic with cosmological dimension .

I have some questions about this main sphere with its big volume .How is its rotation and the field .....perhaps there is a secret there too about the diffusion of mass ...several possibilities exist ....but I rest persuaded about the velocity of rotation and the mass .The helicity of course but here it's about the velocity of rotation .All is in this logic rotation mass spherization ,very simplified as words but it's foundamental I think .

This logic permits to class and architecturate our Universe because it's a foundamental constant .

M1 mass of a sphere V1 velocity of Rotation around itself

M2 Mass of a sphere V2 " "

....It's the same with gravity ....and all systems ....the constants are everywhere .

I think it could be very interesting to class in this logic of spherization and rotation and its velocity .

An other point ,as I said before the Dark Energy is for me sphere without rotation around itself thus If I can say "in wait "of activation towards complexification and spherization .

In this logic with the time constant evolution ,the volume will decrease and some parameters shall permit the activation of particles in wait thus implies an acceleration towards this stability of velocity .This acceleration is a new kind of force or field I think .

It could be interesting to find this energy of acceleration .It's possible that this sphere in wait of activation are around us too .That implies many extrapolations of course like some possible exponetials of evolution thus of polarizations towards spherization.

Sorry for my english

Friendly

Steve

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I think an other thing.

This logic implies ....1 the Universal sphere don't turn in the ultim architecture ....logic ..if we admit the mass and the velocity of rotation and the constant ratio between them .....thus it's interesting if we link all I think .

The time line since our perception is important and the foundamental laws and constants too.

The rotation, the spherization and our foundamental small spheres .....all is linked .Thus implies a direct link between mass and time ,the ultim mass in fact linked with the smallest mass of this main sphere what I said before .

In this logic we can class many many things ...

Steve

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