Editor's Choice: The Illusion of the Expanding Universe

My 2 cents;

Is time the basis of motion, or an effect of it? Block time is that fourth dimension along which events exist. The alternative is that motion creates a series of configurations. The difference is that we appear to proceed along this fourth dimension from past events to future ones. If motion creates events, they go the other way, from being in the future, to being in the past. Does the earth travel the fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow, or does tomorrow become yesterday because the earth rotates.

Because we are mobile organisms, the prejudice is that we move from one event to the next. The alternative is that we are integral components of these events and all we really perceive is past events receding into memory.

If time is simply a consequence of motion, it is similar to temperature. In fact a dimensionless point in time would be impossible, since that would require the cessation of the motion which created it.

So then the question is; what is space? The assumption seems to be that it is only what is measured, thus in its most reductionist form, it is the three dimensional grid. Do dimensions create space, or simply define it? Dimensions are lines/projections. The three which describe our position on the planet, longitude, latitude and altitude, are not the basis of the planetary space and our position on it, but are, literally, a map of it. Much of cosmology is based on the assumption that motion of matter and energy creates space. That space is created and expands from the singularity. Thus inflation theory can say the initial expansion was much greater than the speed of light, without worrying about how it might affect the vacuum energies of pre-existing space.

But all that leaves open the enormous question of where the singularity came from in the first place.

Consider it on purely geometric terms. If you were to postulate a zero in geometry, would it be the center point of the three dimensional grid, or would it be the empty space of the blank sheet of paper? It seems logical that it is the empty space. It is nothing and nothing is what we say space is. The center point may be the zero point for purposes of reference to other points on the grid, but of itself, it is one, not zero. Zero may be nothing, but it possesses the potential to be anything. Any specific center point, or any number of points might exist in it. Even a universal singularity.

It cannot have limits, as they would be something and space is nothing. We can draw lines and say they are space, but that presupposes the blank sheet of paper on which to draw lines. Dimensions are a description and consequence of space, just as time is a description and consequence of motion.

Dimensions and time are the vectors of the vacuum and the fluctuation.

Time and dimensions have a semi-mystical reputation which the scalars of temperature and volume do not, because we are mobile organisms, living a serial reality.

our experiences are timed, beyond our experiences , outside of ourselves this relative experience does not exist. What exists or does not exist is unknown to us. Do we go on from here, do we live after life? When I ask this question i long to find timelessness, so that we can all go on...

Definitely good food for thought. I read his book, which kind of boiled down to the idea that quantum mechanics says space is a grid and time is discrete, so time is just the sequence of states of the universe. Taken a step further are the people who see this as evidence that we live in a computer simulation. See Nick Bostrom's Simulation Argument. Or Jim Elvidge's The Universe - Solved.

I'd like to read the book, if not all true at least really good food for thought and good contribution

"he estimates the probability he'll turn out to be wrong is greater than 90%. "But should I be right, I would be assured a place in history," he laughs."

Watching peeps take the path down the Einstinean pathway is sad. Black holes? Dark Matter? Fer crying out loud...even Einstein was uncomfortable with that. The Big Bang? Can't anyone conceive of infinity anymore?

If anyone has read the "Stucture of Scientific Revolution" (Kuhn), they might well question whether Einstein was just another bump along the way. To have turned generations of scientists to investigating corollaries of his theories might have been the biggest mistake of our time.

CERN will prove nothing to those amongst us who believe the smallest result will never serve as defining the fullest observations. Smash two bullets into each other, the result you will find serves as an answer to what happens when you smash tow bullets together, nothing more....

Lawrence, my proposal here is that in physics we have to stop thinking in terms of time, because there is no experimental evidence of space-time as a physical reality. Space-time is merely a mathematical model.

Space is timeless and with clocks we measure frequency, velocity and numerical order of physical events in space.

Symbol "t" in equations means exactly "clocks tick" not more and not less.

t = clock tick

Concept of timeless quantum space and time t as a "clock tick" is a basis for theory that will connect GR and QM.

Yours amrit

Hi Steve, Hi John

JOHN - Is time the basis of motion, or an effect of it?

STEVE - I don't understand what you mean,the time is a constant of evolution ,invariable .It has no sense .Sorry but it's my opinion .

Amrit - Symbol t in equations meaning is "clock tick". Time is not the basis of motion nor is effect of it. Time is a "clock tick". Motion is essential property of the universe that is in a permanent dynamic equilibrium, no beginning and no end.

Evolution runs in space only and not in time. Evolution of life is a consistent part of cosmic dynamics.

see more on file attachedAttachment #1: 2_With_Clocks_we_Measure.........pdf

Hi Amrit ,

I think really what the time space are both considered in evolution ,one without the other is impossible for our specific dynamic.

The physicality is different than the eternity behind walls .

The beginning of our Universe is a reality and the end too but this end is not a real end but a begining of improvement between mass and creativity .

Thus the ultim balance is not an end but an eternity .

It's important to make some differences between the unknew and the physical Universe .

In our physical world ,these equations with time are essentials to calculate and extrapolate in this constant of evolution.

The motion is static without time thus any evolution ....

Sincerely

Steve

Steve motion happens in space only, all experimental data confirm that.

symbol "t" represents "tick" of clocks t=tick of clock

forget time as a physical reality the only time that exists is inner time that is based on neuronal dynamics of the brain, recent research conform that, see my article above.

yours amrit

Amrit ,

Ok but I can't forget time ,it's impossible for the evolution .

Eve if researchs try to do that ,I won't change my definition of time.I can't do that ,really .If I forget the time ,all is different and hasn't sense in my physical model .

The inner Time is interesting but I can't do that .If I apply that ,I don't see any evolution between mass ,vegetals ,animals ,minerals .....

I am going to reread your article .

Steve

Amrit ,

In your article you say

"The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) experiment similarly reminds us that physical space is a

timeless environment. There is no discernible signal in the form of a photon travelling between

A and B. The time of information transfer between A and B is essentially zero. We might infer

that A and B are extended entities. The timeless space represents an immediate

communication medium between the quanta A and B ."

I think what in a local system where the linear velocity of light is the informations ,it's logic to have this 0 time .

Because it's impossible at this moment to find the real dynamic of informations.It's too speedly for our perception and thus objective datas .

I see in your model a linear particle speeder than the light ,I beleive what the restricted relativity and general relativity must have gauges .

I really doubt about the immediate tranfer of informations .Near 0 is different than 0 ,the decimals in fact ...

Sincerely

Steve

Steve evolution run in timeless space, all run in timeless space.

Strange but is so. Experimental data confirm that. We give much importance to time, we are not aware that we project "Inner time" in physical reality. Insight about that will be "Third Revolution of Physics" as Barbour say in his book The End of Time.

yours amrit

Steve,

"The motion is static without time thus any evolution ...."

Keep in mind that it is always "now."

We understand motion in space is relative. Are you walking along the earth, or is the earth moving past your feet. The same applies to time. Our point of observation, the now, goes from past events to future ones, but these events go from being in the future to being in the past. Our classic, rational cause and effect, historical narrative concept of time is that we go from past events to future ones. The problem is when we try to construct a physical understanding of time based on that assumption and have to keep building increasingly complex models to explain it, going from Newton's absolute flow of time on to Einstein's relative fourth dimension, but ask yourself, does the earth really travel the fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow, or does tomorrow become yesterday because the earth rotates?

We are mobile organisms and naturally think of ourselves as moving from one event to the next, but we really are integral aspects of these events. When we are born, the units of time that are our lives are in the future, then in the past, when we die.

It solves the quantum mechanical dilemma of how reality can seem to be both deterministic and probabilistic at the same time, without requiring it to break into multiple realities every time a variable situation occurs, since it is the wave of future probabilities collapsing into the series of past events, not the path of past events pushing into future options.

Really, i wondered by this but a little bit doubt that if there is no time is not predictable ofcourse, we assume so then there will be one more reference frame which is to be comparable i.e; the theory of relativity. obviously when relativity takes place simply we can guess whether it is expanding or contracting or stationary.

John,

It's interesting indeed .

I beleive what without time ,the Earth don't rotate .

It s the same about the relativity ,the perception is important.

It's like if we are in a train and about the motion between two persons in a train and an other static on ground ....more the rotations of Earth ,more the rotations around the sum ,more the rotation aroud our BH and ......around our universal center .Thus of course the motion is relaticvistic but all that in Time evolution ...it's foundamental I think .

The rotations of our Earth ,yesterday or tomorrow are in an evolution logic ,thus the past is the past ,the present the present and the future an improvement .All interpretations shan't change this reality of evolution .The fourth dimension must have limits .The determinism and the probability are balanced where the harmony between them is foundamenatl .But It's just a suggestion .

Sincerely

Steve

Hi dear madhuri latha K.,

Nice to meet you .

It's interesting ..."it is expanding or contracting or stationary."

I really beleive what the system is specific

thus Big Bang or multiplication.....acceleration towards maximum volume ,contraction towards stationary Sphere (end of physicality thus beginning of eternity ).

Sincerely

Steve

Julian Barbour is mentioning two basic questions: What is time? What is motion?

I have been thinking about these questions for over 10 years myself.

And I have a partial answer:

Time is fictitious motion is real!

As such, as the fabric of the universe, motion is far more credible than time and space are!

The only problem with the above is that motion is as fictitious as time in the science of physics.

If you read paragraph 6 starting with:

" To get a handles on Mach's viewpoint.... " You should end up convinced (along with physicists) that motion is as elusive as time!

Yet if your body takes the place of the spinning electron, even in an empty universe you will feel the centrifugal force.... Not only that but you will also feel a linear accelerated motion, even in an empty universe.

The reality of motion needs neither the backdrop of the stars nor a human reference system to occur!

There is an easy solution to the non-expansion of the universe click:

Hubble red shift differing interpretation

Yet now, as for the interpretation of motion above, physics comes and forbids a non-expanding universe!

Even though big bang was originally inferred from expansion, things have now turned around. In physics big bang became reality! And big bang now mandates the expansion of the universe in physics!

As such, if we make our way against conventional thinking, without expansion, the universe must also be implemented (in our human minds) without big bang or without beginning.

Fortunately again motion (if you consider motion as being physical as I do) provides an answer:

What is motion?

Hi dear Mr Salles ,

I have sen your website ,it's interesting .

I think what all is linked ,the motion don't exist without space or Time .In fact these peices ,the 3 pieces are essentials to encircle the whole of this dynamic.

One without the other is impossible .

The expansion is a step ,thus needs a good simulation where datas and pragmatisms are essentials .The expansion is not infinite .The contraction which is different than a Big Crunch ,as the Big Bang which is a multiplication,coded .

All is a question of evolution ,the evolution is essential too ,and that in all centers of interest .Maths ,physics,biology,chemistry,astronomy,cosmology,philosophy....A theory must be present in all cenetrs of interest .

Let's take the fruits ,sphericals ,the flowers ,the seeds ,the cells ,the elementary particles ,the big human revoluton ,rotations(wheels,pullies...),our prefered sports(with a sphere),our eggs ,our gravitational waves ,our quantum and cosmological spheres ,ans so many too .

The spherization and spheresz ,spheroids ,circles ,toris ....are everywhere ,it exists a real spherization everywhere .Furthermore this ultim aim shows us this building and ultim harmony.

It exists sometimes some incredible simple answers where the complexity returns to the simplicity .

My conclusion is a long research in all topics .Eureka hihihihi

Sincerely

Steve

Amrit: a clock records time, Everything a ratchet-pawl locks in a toothed wheel someting irreversible has happened. A clock demarks time according to intervals, which are regular enough and require some irreversible loss of energy. Thermodynamics on a large scale appears of great importance.

LC