Marblewood: A Gentle Unification of Quantum Theory and General Relativity by Cristinel Stoica

Dear Cristinel Stoica

From the phenomenological point of view quantum theory and GR can not be unified

because of belief space-time being fundamental arena of the universe.

Quanta and massive bodies move in cosmic space that is timeless. Time in space is only run of clocks. From this point of view unification is possible.

I try my best with articles on file attached that are missing math description.

You might be able to create it. Math is not my strong part.

yours amritAttachment #1: Densitycurvature.pdfAttachment #2: Mathematical_Spacetime....pdf

Dear Stephan, Georgina, Tejinder, Cristi, and Amrit,

I would like to draw your attention to the summary of comments between myself and Jonathan in regard to the observer-participant MC-QED formalism", which are presented below. Since many of you have been skeptical about the ideas

present in my essay it would be helpful to me if we could we have critical group discussion on these comments.

Thanks for your interest and I am looking forward to hearing more from all of you.

Dr. Darryl Leiter

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COMMENT 1. Dear Jonathan,

You commented that: You seem to move directly from the microscale to the macroscopic observer, however, without any attention to what is between, and according to decoherence theory (DT) that's where all the fun is! The whole transition from Quantum to Classical behavior merges because although decoherence is swift, it is not immediate. And DT asserts that the wavefunction does not simply collapse, but rather gets spread out through entangling interactions, and with the larger environment.

My answer to your comment is as follows:

WHY MC-QED IMPLIES AN INTRINSICALLY TIME REVERSAL VIOLATING DECOHERENCE PROCESS WHICH INCLUDES A WAVE-FUNCTION COLLAPSE.

It has been shown [Leiter, D., (2009), On the Origin of the Classical and Quantum Electrodynamic Arrows of Time, ArXiv:0902.4667] that for a sufficiently large aggregate of atomic systems (which are described by the bare state component of MC-QED Hamiltonian and assumed to exist in an "environment" associated with the retarded quantum measurement interaction component of the MC-QED Hamiltonian), the net effect of the quantum measurement interaction in MC-QED will generate intrinsically time reversal violating decoherence effects on the reduced density matrix in a manner which can give large aggregates of atomic systems apparently classical properties.

This is in contrast to the time reversal symmetric case of QED where the local quantum decoherence effects only appear to be time irreversible. This occurs in the time symmetric description of decoherence in QED because a local observer does not have access to the entire wave function and, while interference effects appear to be eliminated, individual states have not been projected out.

Hence we conclude that the resolution of the problem of the asymmetry between microscopic quantum objects and macroscopic classical objects inherent in the laws of quantum physics can be found in the MC-QED formalism, because the intrinsically time reversal violating quantum decoherence effects inherent within it imply that MC-QED does not require an independent external complementary classical level of physics obeying strict Macroscopic Realism in order to obtain a physical interpretation.

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COMMENT 2. Dear Jonathan,

(JONATHAN QUESTION) When you are talking about Measurement Color, this is an an attempt to quantify the fact that the process of making a Measurement will Color what we measure, because the observer is also acting as a participant. This statement is true even if both the observer and observed are sub-atomic particles. Therefore you are apparently asserting that it is possible to accomplish quantifying measurement's effect by imposing an Abelian gauge symmetry, associated with this observer-participant aspect of measurements, upon the structure of QED. Is this correct?

(DJL ANSWER) Congratulation! You have got the idea exactly right!

(JONATHAN QUESTION) That is; by figuring in how each measurement will color what is measured, and applying this rule to every microscale interaction, you are able to alter or expand QED.

(DJL ANSWER: Yes this is correct! In MC-QED I have mathematically used the word "Measurement Color" in as an extension of the concept of color is used in the Standard Model to denote the different kinds of quantum particle forces. I am extending the QED formalism by using an additonal Abelian microscopic quantum particle field operator has an integer name which I call its MEASUREMENT COLOR to impose and operator type of "observer-participation" onto the field theoretic formalism. In the Standard Model the Abelian observer-participant symmetry of Measurement Color can be used in addition to the non-Abelian SU3 x SU2 x U1 symmetries.

(JONATHAN QUESTION): And you have extended QED in such a way that by adding in the coloration of measurement, you derive a theory that is explicitly causal, or reveals the directionality of time.Am I getting closer to understanding what you are talking about?

(DJL ANSWER): Yes! The impostion of the observer-participant Measurement Color operator symmetry, onto both the electron-positron and the photon operator fields in QED, leads to the MC-QED formalism which has the form of a non-local quantum field theory is C, P, and CP invatiant but spontaneosly violates the T symmetry. The resulant violation of the CPT theorem implias that the photon carries the causal arrow of time. This observer-particpant formulation of quantum electrodynamics has the potential to open the door to finding the connection between quantum mechanics and consciousness. In this way we may be able to find a connection between our minds and the "mind of the universe".

What could be more incredible!

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COMMENT 3: Jonathan replies,

Glad I got past the verbal stumbling block, and have made sense of things. It's not the color of the measurement, but how the measurement is colored by the act of measuring. Great how you have married that with QED.

A worthwhile idea indeed. Incredible it is, but quite credible at the same time. And worthy of the extra time taken to understand it.

Dear Christi ,

You work is interesting .That said ,I have some suggestions .

I think that a concept takes all its sense when the physicality and the mathematical extrapolations are correlated ,in harmony.

If the imaginaries are inserted ,it's a lost of time it seems to me.

The maths are a tool ,the physic is real .The math is a human invention ,not the physic.

Conceptually or mathematically ,a balance is necessary with the good serie ,the good number ,the good laws and where the imaginary extrapolations are thus pragmatics and rationals .

The physicality is the chief orchestra of maths ,and not in the other sense .

The complexification thus is inside a closed limited system with its laws .

It's the same with our brains ,the hemispheroids ,a balance is necessary between imaginaries and logics .If not ,it's false ,simply .The physicality and its specific dynamic doesn't change .

If you see around you in our ecosystem and its creations ,you shall see the real physicality where the mass is a result .The invariances ,the constants ,the coherences......the rotations and their senses ,directions,angles ,velocities,spinals ,orbitals ....all that is a system which had evolved since the begining .The complexity returns to the simplicity .

Let's imagine the synchronizations and combinations in this vision .Complex and simple in the same time fortunally .

The gravity ,this mass is the result of something which is simple .All was coded and all becomes mass in the time line constant .The polarity is under an universal simple system in a global point of vue .The rotating spheres ,quant and cosmol ....it's important to have global mechanisms ,complexs and simples .

About strings ,what do you think ,for me a string is divisible ,a sphere no?

Sincerely

Best Regards

Steve

Hello dear Cristi,

Thanks for your explaination .I understand better your point of vue which is very interesting .

It's infact the eternal and nice fight between maths and physics .

It's complex and simple.The axiomatisation ,the formalisation is a difficult road to harmonizze the two systems .

You say

"In my opinion, this depends on the world in which you consider strings and spheres. In the mathematical structure I suggest for describing our world, there are no fundamental spheres and strings. In string theory, strings divide as they should."

However we see spheres ,spheroids ,circles ,ellipses ,ellipsoids ,tori,...everywhere in the physical world .Even our favorite sports are with spheres ,our big revolutions ,the rotations ,wheel ,motor,pullies ,gears....our seeds ,eggs ,glands ,eyes ,brains,stars ,planets ,moons....even a flower has a spherical comportment .

As you say indeed the strings divide and permits a complexification with infinite fractals ,but there a real taxonomy and topology is necessary it seems to me.

You know ,I agree withj you ,I think that maths too are a pure essence but if only and only if the maths are balanced with the pagmatism ,the universal structure and its laws.There the imaginaries are not primordials .

Personaly ,I use maths in my model but with limits for primes which are for me important in the physical link .Let's take the infinity and the zero ,if these inventions aren't harmonized ,that becomes very difficult and infinite in our extrapolations .I don't think really that it's our ultim aim .Our universal system is complex but simple too .And a global simple mechanic is necessary for this evlution .

In all case ,congratulations for your essay ,and good luck too dear Cristi

Best Regards

Steve

Dear Cristi ,

Thanks for this beautiful explaination.I don't change of point of vue but it's interesting to have different point of vue .

You know ,my theory is not arrived like that .

I think what the real problems of scientists is the lack of whole ,the whole point of vue is important .Many focus on local systems with imaginary extrapolations without to insert the fundamentals and laws .

Our Universe is a sphere cristi ,not a light cone or an eternal expansion ,our system is finite and coded ,evolutives and pragmatics .

The spheres are pragmatics and fundamentals .You are ,you Cristi,a result of polarisations due to the time and you are linked with the earth ,as a baby of this earth ,you live on a sphere which evolves ,you are a part of this sphere .

Your particles are spheres ,your sun too and you are inside an Universal sphere ....thus all is made of spheres ,all without exeption.

It's always the same problem in fact pagmatism or imaginaries, EPR or Copenaghen Interpretation .Reals or imaginaries .

And furthermore all our topology is false ,because each entangled sphere is specific .Don't forget ,each sphere is specific ,unique .thus for the symmetry ,it's time to insert the real structure but it's just a suggestion .

I am going to convince you ,these quantum spheres ,coded builds spheres inside an universal sphere. hihih I am going to convice you hihih I try with Lawrence and Ray but it's not easy ,...dear Friends ...Stop these imaginaries complexs ,it's false .Only the physicality and the thermodynamics and quantum mechanics are relevant ,all has an universal simple mechanic ,the rotating spheres ,quantic and cosmologic .3 gauges cristi ...our universal sphere ...future ,maximum mass don't turn ....man central quantum sphere turns in the maximum ,polarity sense 1 ....the light second system ...the light becomes mass in time coded evolution....all that inside a beautifiul sphere in optimisation ,improvement .They are fantastics our quantum spheres ,they live.

In conclusion,The maths are only trues when the physicality is taken with its reals and specific numbers .All mathematical system must be spherical and with limits .If not it's imaginaries and without balance of harmonisation.

Best Regards

Steve

Dear cristi ,

You are right ,the diversity is fantastic ,it's important to share different point of vue .Like you say ...So, I am happy that you have your viewpoint, and I have mine :-)...me too hihi

Anybody is judge indeed,what I say is that the physic too is everywhere ,in ecology ,botany ,chemistry ,biology,astronomy ,....since I class all ,really the spherical comportment and its laws are everywhere .The whole it's that ,the same laws are in an apple ,a seed ,a human ,a star ,a particles ....all is linked fortunally.

We are all precious and uniques like our spheres ,uniques too .

Happy to discuss with you ,very interesting your point of vue .

Best Regards

Steve

Dear Cristi ,

In rereading your essay ,what I like even if I disagree a little ,I see a real fundamental research about the general relativity .

Your link with dirac and the particule anti particle is interesting .

I don't agree about your definition of the gravity and some others methods but it's personal of course .

That said your method is relevant in its sense .Your quest of these hidden variables ,perhaps, will give you some resulst . Personnally I doubt .

The bell's equations and and the EPR paradox .and all that due to these fourth dimensions and the different interpretations .It's a personal choice of course and it's respectable .

The space for me curves itself due to the gravity ,this mass ,and the evolution increases this mass ,thus curves in the time constant ,I don't think that the light cone or eternal expansion or the spacetime curvature...exists ,

only the mass which curves the space in time constant ,and all that in a finite system with its specific thermodynamics laws .

I liked your words

field -> Lagrangian -> energy-momentum -> gravity

Personnally

quantum entangled spheres...rotations ...specific architecture...mv ...gravity...mass,the energy proportional of course with fields,the evolution is important about the lattices if I link with the cosmological system and its specific number of spheres too .The space and the lattices are relevant .Probably the plan system is interesting .

The moment is the rotating spheres .

Dear Cristi ,I am curious ,for you ,what are our elementary particles ,their forms ,theirs properties....it's obliged to have a physicality ,the energy is the mass ,thus the mass is physic ,thus how do you imagine our el part ,physically speaking .A liquid ,a gas ,a solid ,a wave ,a string ,a point ,a charge ....I am curious but really ,What is for you the best logic ?The system needs a balanced physicality with a specific mechanic at all scales .

Best Regards

Steve

Cristi,

i read your response to the posts by me, Steve and others. there is no denying the fact that Mathematics is the way to represent the physical facts precisely. However, what was being persued with you by others were the physical concepts that define the situation best and then to put the right mathematics to implement the same. With alternate concepts to explain a given phenomenon the mathematics applied will change although the physical phenomenon remains the same. There lies the respective emphasis of concepts, boundary conditions, the strength of the dependent and independent variables involved. All this is decided by the physical conditions, independent of the mathematics adopted to build a physical theory. yes, lately the mathematical emphasis in Physics appear to dominate while the concepts are being taken for granted, instead of reforming the same, and mathematics is leading to corollary nature of physics being done, instead of a path-breaking Physics. That is where the difference lies!

Hi Cristi ,

Indeed you are right ,our particles are under a partition ,a symphony of oscillations .The relations between effects and causes are universals.The mass is a reality and all explainations of this system must be real even with math tools.

I disagree about your utilisation of the relativity and the metric with Minkowski.It's a choice of referential and only that in fact .

(ct,x,y,z)??,we can only orientate our space I think(x,y,z).

you say

"I do not use hidden variables, as you seem to think. I just use Schrodinger's equation."

I agree but your referential always is false for me in the whole .

Attention ,I don't say what your essay is bad ,no ,but your method in your referential isn't just for me in its universal causuality.

You use Schrodinger equations indeed but if your main referential isn't well coordonated .

We can't perceive the QM without a physicality with its causes and effects.

The light cone too must be accepted with its limits correlated with the restr. relativity .I don't agree about the events which are deconnected with the universal causuality .

The music is specific and is physic ,the harmonization of frequences evolves and complexificates with the polarisation.

The rotations are a partition where the oscillations ,the fields ,are on the symphony.The superimposings of complexification is incredible .There the gravitational spherical waves are relevant .

You say

"The fact that we perceive the mass is only a relation between the mass and our senses. "

I disagree ,the mass is the result of an equation ,encoded ,and is real in the physicality .With or without our senses ,the mass is the mass thus the gravity .Tha mass is the result of polarisations and for a beautiful music ,these polarisations must be in an universal causal mechanic .The movement of the rotating spheres is the cause of the mass ,the rot spheres are the effect of an intrinsic code .The mass is a cause too of many things .

There the time and the space are essential pieces of the evolution.

About the properties ,it exists universal constants .If we extrapolate with imaginaries and with a bad referential ,the properties are just in the mind .

A property of a thermodynamic system ,or a stable particle ,or other ...is different than a property extrapolated in my opinion .

The definition of our referential is very important, the base of the rationality must be correlated .

The relations between causuality and effects can be harmonized in a partition of physicality.All math tools are reals only if they consider the physicality and its properties.

Regards

Steve

Dear Cristi ,

I try to encircle your method .Could you explain your points of vue about these suggestions,please.

If your equations are non linears ,if the time isn't considered ,That becomes difficult No ?

The interpretations thus of the studied system can be surprisings and imaginaries ?

For me,The particle is a wave in its comportment in the same time ,thus the duallity is a link ,equivalent,with a specific real topology .The field and the mass are directly linked of course ,the energy ,the mass ,the fields are directly and physically correlated .

The effects of the mass are relations of course but under the same logic ,mechanic .Our perception ,our senses aren't just a relation ,applicable at the physicality .The mass is with or without a perception ,the mass is the pure physicality ,this gravity isn't just a perception of effects ,this mass increases and goes towards an ultim balance .The time is essential in its referential ,a linearity of the time is essential furthermore it seems to me .

Fields ,space,spheers ,rotations ,mass ,energy ,evolution,forces ...are all linked in a proportionality ,real and physic.

Best Rergards

Steve

Dear Cristi ,

I am understanding .You know ,it is not objections ,simply a different point of vue .

I beleive you are a very creative scientist and your researchs are interestings .That said I just see our Universe differently .

The physicality is essential because we are inside a physical system and its specific laws .It's not a problem of capture of meaning or others but the fact to accept our fundamentals .

How can we understand our physicality without the good series ,without the right extrapolations,without our real numbers .In the physicality ,we must insert limits .A mathematic concept is false if it doesn't choose the right fundamentals .The gravity ,the mass is all and is a cause and has effects ,physics these causes and effects ,we can interpret them with math tools but with pragmatism ,rationality ,logic and fundamenatsl .

You know where I disagre ,just at the limit between reals and imaginaries ,between 3D time constant and ct,x,y,z ,between Copenhagen and EPR,between infinity and limits,....can we all insert in our physicality ,yes if that is correlated and perfectly synchronized.

Hope you understand better my point of vue in its whole .

Best Regards

Steve

Dear Joakim,

It's ok for me too ,I just try to do the same with yours.I am going to try again too because it semms that some confusions are inserted .Let's me synchronize a little .

You asked me

"Do you think that relativity and quantum theory cannot provide an appropriate description of the physical world, because they use complex numbers?"

The quantum description ,the relativity ,the specific mechanic is bad understood in its whole due to the several bad interpretations of the universal referential .Thus indeed the utilisation of imaginaries in this case is false ,like extradimensions or others bad extrapolations .You know even if you have 95 per cent of fundamentals if in the whole the non rationality isn't taken ,it's thus false .Just for a bad referential .

The relativity is to relativate justly,thus even your referential ,your method ,your tools .

The relativity isn't to use fourth dimensions ,or others non linears systems with violations ,no to relativate ,it's to be pragmatic with our limits in accepting them ,simply .

Hope that helps .

Regards

Steve

It's the reason why a model must be rational in its whole and its referential .

You can insert the complexification after inside your system but with good coordonates of course .

The whole is very very important ,the gauge in fact and its laws .